Thanks for the idea on the compressed water in old air tanks. We used high
pressure tanks so we could carry a longer supply of air on the trucks. They
were wrapped with glass fiber or Kevlar, not sure which now and while very
light they were also very strong.
I think I can get some of those old tanks from city shops excess. Fill them
with water under great pressure and then counter the extra weight with
helium. According to my calculations I should be able to get 10 gallons of
water in one 3 gallon tank and with the helium reduce it's weight to a
negative 5 lbs. thus making it lighter than air and able to reduce my pack
load by 5 lbs. It will add bulk but wrapped in burlap as you suggest it will
look like another package of goods on top of my knapsack. I think I may
experiment with using hydrogen instead of helium. It burns well and could be
used as an emergency fuel if necessary after the water is used up.
See ya on the trail my friend.
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
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From: <beaverboy@sofast.net>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Water Packing Sissy
> Capt.
> I perceived you correctly. I was only kidding about the water dipping
> and possum mating, though this was believed by some or all back then.
> I didn't take it as an attack at all. I know everyone on the list
> means well.
> I personally compress my water in old yellow colored aircraft oxygen
> bottles and can then carry ten times the water, though the bottles
> then weigh ten times more which is something to consider especially
> when on foot. But I didn't want to bring up compressed water because
> everyone would say,"Hey! That's not right! They didn't have aluminum
> oxygen bottles back then!"
> I've tried cans of evaporated water (like evaporated milk) but you
> have to carry more cans of water to cut it with thus defeating the
> whole purpose. So I went back to the compressed oxygen/water bottles.
> Which can bought at most Army/Navy stores. Just wrap them in a burlap
> sack to make them look historical.
> That a tip from your old friend,
> bb
>
>
> > bb,
> >
> > Hopefully you perceived correctly that I was not attacking you at all
but
> > the "Captains" contention that such a practice was valid. There are
folks
> > listening who might actually believe it to be true.
> >
> > I pack some water too. And I check my destination and it's water source
to
> > determine how I am going to deal with the need for water. I don't and
> > can't
> > pack enough water for a weekend on my back. So there are some places
that
> > I
> > choose not to visit for lack of a suitable water supply that can be made
> > safe.
> >
> > I know nothing about possums and how they breed but will play along with
> > you
> > if you wish to "fish" someone in on that one. <G>
> >
> > While it is pointed out by many students of the fur trade that packing
> > water
> > was considered effeminate, it is only offered in the context of the
> > history
> > and does not reflect what most of us do in practice and is not promoted
as
> > wise to copy.
> >
> > YMOS
> > Capt. Lahti'
> >
> >
> > ----------------------
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> >
>
>
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 15:51:26 -0800 (PST)
From: George Noe <gnoe39@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Water Packing Sissy
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Capt.
Hope we don't have to say "Rember the Hindinburg"
. I think I may
experiment with using hydrogen instead of helium. It burns well and could be
used as an emergency fuel if necessary after the water is used up.
See ya on the trail my friend.
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
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From:
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Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Water Packing Sissy
> Capt.
> I perceived you correctly. I was only kidding about the water dipping
> and possum mating, though this was believed by some or all back then.
> I didn't take it as an attack at all. I know everyone on the list
> means well.
> I personally compress my water in old yellow colored aircraft oxygen
> bottles and can then carry ten times the water, though the bottles
> then weigh ten times more which is something to consider especially
> when on foot. But I didn't want to bring up compressed water because
> everyone would say,"Hey! That's not right! They didn't have aluminum
> oxygen bottles back then!"
> I've tried cans of evaporated water (like evaporated milk) but you
> have to carry more cans of water to cut it with thus defeating the
> whole purpose. So I went back to the compressed oxygen/water bottles.
> Which can bought at most Army/Navy stores. Just wrap them in a burlap
> sack to make them look historical.
> That a tip from your old friend,
> bb
>
>
> > bb,
> >
> > Hopefully you perceived correctly that I was not attacking you at all
but
> > the "Captains" contention that such a practice was valid. There are
folks
> > listening who might actually believe it to be true.
> >
> > I pack some water too. And I check my destination and it's water source
to
> > determine how I am going to deal with the need for water. I don't and
> > can't
> > pack enough water for a weekend on my back. So there are some places
that
> > I
> > choose not to visit for lack of a suitable water supply that can be made
> > safe.
> >
> > I know nothing about possums and how they breed but will play along with
> > you
> > if you wish to "fish" someone in on that one.
> >
> > While it is pointed out by many students of the fur trade that packing
> > water
> > was considered effeminate, it is only offered in the context of the
> > history
> > and does not reflect what most of us do in practice and is not promoted
as
> > wise to copy.
> >
> > YMOS
> > Capt. Lahti'
> >
> >
> > ----------------------
> > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html
> >
>
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<DIV>
<DIV>Capt.</DIV>
<DIV> Hope we don't have to say "Rember the Hindinburg"<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">. I think I may<BR>experiment with using <U><FONT color=#ff0000>hydrogen</FONT></U> instead of helium. It burns well and could be<BR>used as an emergency fuel if necessary after the water is used up.<BR><BR>See ya on the trail my friend.<BR><BR>YMOS<BR>Capt. Lahti'<BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: <BEAVERBOY@SOFAST.NET><BR>To: <HIST_TEXT@LISTS.XMISSION.COM><BR>Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 12:55 PM<BR>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Water Packing Sissy<BR><BR><BR>> Capt.<BR>> I perceived you correctly. I was only kidding about the water dipping<BR>> and possum mating, though this was believed by some or all back then.<BR>> I didn't take it as an attack at all. I know everyone on the list<BR>> means well.<BR>> I personally compress my water in old yellow colored aircraft oxygen<BR>> bottles and can then carry ten times the water, though the
bottles<BR>> then weigh ten times more which is something to consider especially<BR>> when on foot. But I didn't want to bring up compressed water because<BR>> everyone would say,"Hey! That's not right! They didn't have aluminum<BR>> oxygen bottles back then!"<BR>> I've tried cans of evaporated water (like evaporated milk) but you<BR>> have to carry more cans of water to cut it with thus defeating the<BR>> whole purpose. So I went back to the compressed oxygen/water bottles.<BR>> Which can bought at most Army/Navy stores. Just wrap them in a burlap<BR>> sack to make them look historical.<BR>> That a tip from your old friend,<BR>> bb<BR>><BR>><BR>> > bb,<BR>> ><BR>> > Hopefully you perceived correctly that I was not attacking you at all<BR>but<BR>> > the "Captains" contention that such a practice was valid. There are<BR>folks<BR>> > listening who might actually believe it to be true.<BR>> ><BR>> > I pack
some water too. And I check my destination and it's water source<BR>to<BR>> > determine how I am going to deal with the need for water. I don't and<BR>> > can't<BR>> > pack enough water for a weekend on my back. So there are some places<BR>that<BR>> > I<BR>> > choose not to visit for lack of a suitable water supply that can be made<BR>> > safe.<BR>> ><BR>> > I know nothing about possums and how they breed but will play along with<BR>> > you<BR>> > if you wish to "fish" someone in on that one. <G><BR>> ><BR>> > While it is pointed out by many students of the fur trade that packing<BR>> > water<BR>> > was considered effeminate, it is only offered in the context of the<BR>> > history<BR>> > and does not reflect what most of us do in practice and is not promoted<BR>as<BR>> > wise to copy.<BR>> ><BR>> > YMOS<BR>> > Capt. Lahti'<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 16:00:51 -0800
From: "roger lahti" <amm1719@charter.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Possums !!!
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George,
I'll go out on a limb and agree that this is enough.
Capt. Lahti'
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roger lahti <amm1719@charter.net> wrote:=20
George,
Just how many opossums are involved?!
Capt. L
Capt. L.
It only takes one male and one female. =20
Now for the rest of the story !! Opossums are Marsupials, and =
therefor are "kinda" primative in development sexually. The female has =
two overies and each comes all the way to the vigina in a separate tube. =
however, only one seems to produce eggs at a time.
The male not knowing which one , has a penis that is "forked" and =
deposits sperm into each one, at a mateing.
The female as she is going out of "season" will go out on a limb and =
turn faceing toward the male , her rear toward the tips of the of the =
limb. The male still trying to breed will aproch her and "work" on her =
front end insted of the "other", not being able to get to the rear.
The "old timer" possoum hunters , shining their lights up in the tree =
observing this and seeing the "forked" end working toward the nose, =
assumed he was depositing the sperm in the nose, and she had to "blow" =
in in the other end.
Nuff said ??
<grin>
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 16:25:33 -0800
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I got sick from a bug in the water (would have cost more to test for which kind, so didn't test (giardia ?). This was 14 years ago- it cost $40 for the Dr., $40 for perscription to keep my guts from trying to turn themselves inside out, to let me get more than 20 ft. from a toilet, from keeping me from completely dehydrating, etc.... etc..... The ceramic filter pump that filters out down to .5 micron, which includes any living organism, heavy metals, radioactive isotopes, etc...... cost $65. I should have bought the filter in the first place. It would have been cheaper, and saved me much suffering before I finally went to the Dr.. In my opinion, buy a good filter and use it if in doubt of water source. The pump/filters are more expensive (but often better) these days, but the Dr.s and perscriptions cost more too. My 2 cents. hardtack
And, there are biological contaminants in almost every waterway in the U.S. (and probably world) that may or may not be the result of 'run-offs' that can make one seriously ill.
Use of filters for obtaining water in the wilderness is an absolutely necessity for protecting ones health. May not be considered "authentic". But remember suffering horribly and dying young was very "authentic" back then.
Frank
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<DIV>I got sick from a bug in the water (would have cost more to test for which kind, so didn't test (giardia ?). This was 14 years ago- it cost $40 for the Dr., $40 for perscription to keep my guts from trying to turn themselves inside out, to let me get more than 20 ft. from a toilet, from keeping me from completely dehydrating, etc.... etc..... The ceramic filter pump that filters out down to .5 micron, which includes any living organism, heavy metals, radioactive isotopes, etc...... cost $65. I should have bought the filter in the first place. It would have been cheaper, and saved me much suffering before I finally went to the Dr.. In my opinion, buy a good filter and use it if in doubt of water source. The pump/filters are more expensive (but often better) these days, but the Dr.s and perscriptions cost more too. My 2 cents. hardtack</DIV>
<DIV> And, there are biological contaminants in almost every waterway in the U.S. (and probably world) that may or may not be the result of 'run-offs' that can make one seriously ill.</DIV>
<DIV> Use of filters for obtaining water in the wilderness is an absolutely necessity for protecting ones health. May not be considered "authentic". But remember suffering horribly and dying young was very "authentic" back then.</DIV>
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 16:23:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Larson Harsey <camperfox428@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Water Packing Sissy
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I've been reading and learning from the list so much it makes my head spin sometimes. I knowledge shared hear is beyond anythign I ever hoped fur. I seams if I carry enough hydrogen, I can just use it with air along the trail and make water when I need it. I think I'll start packing meat and compress it in straws, hide them in some reed stalks and roast them like fresh corn. I can't wait to try. Thanks for the seeds, they'll keep gowing I'm sure.
roger lahti <amm1719@charter.net> wrote:bb,
Thanks for the idea on the compressed water in old air tanks. We used high
pressure tanks so we could carry a longer supply of air on the trucks. They
were wrapped with glass fiber or Kevlar, not sure which now and while very
light they were also very strong.
I think I can get some of those old tanks from city shops excess. Fill them
with water under great pressure and then counter the extra weight with
helium. According to my calculations I should be able to get 10 gallons of
water in one 3 gallon tank and with the helium reduce it's weight to a
negative 5 lbs. thus making it lighter than air and able to reduce my pack
load by 5 lbs. It will add bulk but wrapped in burlap as you suggest it will
look like another package of goods on top of my knapsack. I think I may
experiment with using hydrogen instead of helium. It burns well and could be
used as an emergency fuel if necessary after the water is used up.
See ya on the trail my friend.
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
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From:
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Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Water Packing Sissy
> Capt.
> I perceived you correctly. I was only kidding about the water dipping
> and possum mating, though this was believed by some or all back then.
> I didn't take it as an attack at all. I know everyone on the list
> means well.
> I personally compress my water in old yellow colored aircraft oxygen
> bottles and can then carry ten times the water, though the bottles
> then weigh ten times more which is something to consider especially
> when on foot. But I didn't want to bring up compressed water because
> everyone would say,"Hey! That's not right! They didn't have aluminum
> oxygen bottles back then!"
> I've tried cans of evaporated water (like evaporated milk) but you
> have to carry more cans of water to cut it with thus defeating the
> whole purpose. So I went back to the compressed oxygen/water bottles.
> Which can bought at most Army/Navy stores. Just wrap them in a burlap
> sack to make them look historical.
> That a tip from your old friend,
> bb
>
>
> > bb,
> >
> > Hopefully you perceived correctly that I was not attacking you at all
but
> > the "Captains" contention that such a practice was valid. There are
folks
> > listening who might actually believe it to be true.
> >
> > I pack some water too. And I check my destination and it's water source
to
> > determine how I am going to deal with the need for water. I don't and
> > can't
> > pack enough water for a weekend on my back. So there are some places
that
> > I
> > choose not to visit for lack of a suitable water supply that can be made
> > safe.
> >
> > I know nothing about possums and how they breed but will play along with
> > you
> > if you wish to "fish" someone in on that one.
> >
> > While it is pointed out by many students of the fur trade that packing
> > water
> > was considered effeminate, it is only offered in the context of the
> > history
> > and does not reflect what most of us do in practice and is not promoted
as
> > wise to copy.
> >
> > YMOS
> > Capt. Lahti'
> >
> >
> > ----------------------
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> >
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<DIV>I've been reading and learning from the list so much it makes my head spin sometimes. I knowledge shared hear is beyond anythign I ever hoped fur. I seams if I carry enough hydrogen, I can just use it with air along the trail and make water when I need it. I think I'll start packing meat and compress it in straws, hide them in some reed stalks and roast them like fresh corn. I can't wait to try. Thanks for the seeds, they'll keep gowing I'm sure. <BR><BR><B><I>roger lahti <amm1719@charter.net></I></B> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">bb,<BR><BR>Thanks for the idea on the compressed water in old air tanks. We used high<BR>pressure tanks so we could carry a longer supply of air on the trucks. They<BR>were wrapped with glass fiber or Kevlar, not sure which now and while very<BR>light they were also very strong.<BR><BR>I think I can get some of those old tanks from city shops excess. Fill them<BR>with water under great pressure and then counter the extra weight with<BR>helium. According to my calculations I should be able to get 10 gallons of<BR>water in one 3 gallon tank and with the helium reduce it's weight to a<BR>negative 5 lbs. thus making it lighter than air and able to reduce my pack<BR>load by 5 lbs. It will add bulk but wrapped in burlap as you suggest it will<BR>look like another package of goods on top of my knapsack. I think I may<BR>experiment with using hydrogen instead of helium. It burns well and
could be<BR>used as an emergency fuel if necessary after the water is used up.<BR><BR>See ya on the trail my friend.<BR><BR>YMOS<BR>Capt. Lahti'<BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: <BEAVERBOY@SOFAST.NET><BR>To: <HIST_TEXT@LISTS.XMISSION.COM><BR>Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 12:55 PM<BR>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Water Packing Sissy<BR><BR><BR>> Capt.<BR>> I perceived you correctly. I was only kidding about the water dipping<BR>> and possum mating, though this was believed by some or all back then.<BR>> I didn't take it as an attack at all. I know everyone on the list<BR>> means well.<BR>> I personally compress my water in old yellow colored aircraft oxygen<BR>> bottles and can then carry ten times the water, though the bottles<BR>> then weigh ten times more which is something to consider especially<BR>> when on foot. But I didn't want to bring up compressed water because<BR>> everyone would say,"Hey! That's not right! They didn't have
aluminum<BR>> oxygen bottles back then!"<BR>> I've tried cans of evaporated water (like evaporated milk) but you<BR>> have to carry more cans of water to cut it with thus defeating the<BR>> whole purpose. So I went back to the compressed oxygen/water bottles.<BR>> Which can bought at most Army/Navy stores. Just wrap them in a burlap<BR>> sack to make them look historical.<BR>> That a tip from your old friend,<BR>> bb<BR>><BR>><BR>> > bb,<BR>> ><BR>> > Hopefully you perceived correctly that I was not attacking you at all<BR>but<BR>> > the "Captains" contention that such a practice was valid. There are<BR>folks<BR>> > listening who might actually believe it to be true.<BR>> ><BR>> > I pack some water too. And I check my destination and it's water source<BR>to<BR>> > determine how I am going to deal with the need for water. I don't and<BR>> > can't<BR>> > pack enough water for a weekend on my
back. So there are some places<BR>that<BR>> > I<BR>> > choose not to visit for lack of a suitable water supply that can be made<BR>> > safe.<BR>> ><BR>> > I know nothing about possums and how they breed but will play along with<BR>> > you<BR>> > if you wish to "fish" someone in on that one. <G><BR>> ><BR>> > While it is pointed out by many students of the fur trade that packing<BR>> > water<BR>> > was considered effeminate, it is only offered in the context of the<BR>> > history<BR>> > and does not reflect what most of us do in practice and is not promoted<BR>as<BR>> > wise to copy.<BR>> ><BR>> > YMOS<BR>> > Capt. Lahti'<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > ----------------------<BR>> > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html<BR>> ><BR>><BR>><BR>> ----------------------<BR>> hist_text list info:
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