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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest)
To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1279
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hist_text-digest Tuesday, December 2 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1279
In this issue:
-áááááá MtMan-List: Re: hist_text-digest V1 #1276
-áááááá MtMan-List: Re: hist_text-digest V1 #1276
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: wool sock idea
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing
-áááááá MtMan-List: Question
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: hist_text-digest V1 #1276
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Question
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing
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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 00:52:48 EST
From: Mdrougas@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: hist_text-digest V1 #1276
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Randy,
Thanks much. I'd really apreciate a picture. The more I have the
better. It's hard to get a good look at the back detail. Thanks again.
Mike Drougas
Yakima County, Wa.
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Thanks much. I'd really apreciate a pic=
ture. The more I have the better. It's hard to get a good look at the back d=
etail. Thanks again.<BR>
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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 01:04:35 EST
From: Mdrougas@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: hist_text-digest V1 #1276
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Hi Capt. Lahti,
That's what took so long with my brain tan pantaloons, cutting in to
the stuff. I finally decided if I screwed up I'd have lot's of moccasin
material. Thanks for the offer. I write if I get hung up.
Mike Drougas
Yakima County, Wa
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That's what took so long with my brain=20=
tan pantaloons, cutting in to the stuff. I finally decided if I screwed up I=
'd have lot's of moccasin material. Thanks for the offer. I write if I get h=
ung up.<BR>
=20=
=20=
=20=
Mike Drougas<BR>
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=20=
=20=
Yakima County, Wa</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 22:03:36 -0800
From: "roger lahti" <amm1719@charter.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: wool sock idea
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John,
Have her make two rejects with no toe's and big enough to go over your =
lock and mine. Steal away. <G>
Capt. Lahti'
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Microsoft Sans Serif" size=3D2>Have her make two =
rejects with no=20
toe's and big enough to go over your lock and mine. Steal away.=20
<G></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Microsoft Sans Serif" size=3D2>Capt. =
Lahti'</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:58:18 -0800
From: "Dale Nelson" <dnelson@wizzards.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing
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I live a hundered miles or so from the Oregon coast, and the rain isn't =
quite as bad here as has been alluded to in other messages. Over at the =
coast it's possible to get road killed fish, but that's beside the =
point. Locally deer season starts the first of October and runs for a =
week into November. It has been known to start raining the first of =
Oct. and not stop until the 4th of July. But that doesn't happen every =
year and we can have hot dry Octobers. Lewis and Clark spent the winter =
at Astoria, and folks, it rains in that country, yet the hunters were =
killing lots of elk, hunting in weather so wet it rotted their buckskin =
clothes. I wanted to prove to myself that I could kill a buck in a rain =
storm using my flintlock .62 caliber knock off of an English sporting =
rifle. In order to do that I needed to do a little practicing along =
with watching how others do things in the rain. One of the first things =
I learned is that a flinter works much better in the rain than a cap =
lock. Caps seem to draw moisture if handled with wet fingers, let alone =
being in wet weather. That wasn't a problem on account of I don't own =
a cap lock and was wanting to prove a point anyhow. I just threw that =
in because it's one man's experience from watching shooting matches in =
wet weather, so take it for what it's worth. The first and most =
improtant thing I discovered when shooting in the rain is you need a =
roof, and that's where that broad brimed hat comes in. When you pour =
powder into the bore, or prime you can lean a bit forward, get the rifle =
in close to your body and get it loaded and primed dry. My rifle has a =
so called water proof pan, and I tried greasing as well as a calf's knee =
and they didn't work well for me. Cold and rain seem to cause water to =
condense in the pan, kind of like a wick. Here's what worked for me, =
keeping in mind that I'm 6'2" tall, and was in good condition -- not =
strong as a bull or anything like that -- just much better condition =
than I am now at 66. I found that the warmth of my hand cupped over the =
lock was enough to keep the pan dry. I used no grease or calfs knee. =
Putting the balance point of the rifle in the crook of my left arm I =
held the rifle tight against my stomach. After awhile I had to use my =
right hand over the left to help hold the weight of the rifle off my =
left arm, which after two hours was really starting to hurt. The truth =
is, I think them old boys did what ever they had to, and if it hurt it =
hurt, they had to do it. So I gritted my teeth and kept hunting. Not =
in a stand, I knew where the good spots were, and I moved between them. =
The rain was steady, it didn't let up the entire day, and there was very =
little wind. After awhile your arm doesn't seem to hurt quite so bad, =
and toughing it out I was able to ease up on a dandy black tail buck, =
and at 40 of my paces, offhand and without a rest and with instantaneous =
ignition I managed to unplumb his heart. I proved to myself I could do =
it, and haven't been to keen about getting that wet and cold again, so =
I've been inclined to hunt during the nicer weather that happens along =
once in awhile. Just a little body warmth keeps the priming from =
wicking water and to me that worked better than anything else I tried. =
Dale Nelson, Roseburg, Oregon =20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: James and Sue Stone=20
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing
Dennis,
I figured that's exactly what my cows knee would look like when I got =
done greasing it "adequately." But I used to work in the woods on the =
Oregon Coast year-round (120 inches precip annually), and before that I =
worked in the woods up by Quinault, WA on the Olympic Peninsula (300 =
inches annually, but I didn't work during the "rainy season"...just the =
other nine months of the year).
Somewhere along the line I began to interpret "waterproof" as being =
"submersible to 300-feet."
Sparks
Double Edge Forge wrote:
Sparks,=20
MIne is so impregnated with grease that I don't really remember if =
I did both sides or not, I am guessing I did though....
D
----- Original Message -----=20
From: James and Sue Stone=20
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing
Thanks, Dennis.
Do I waterproof the inside as well as the outside of the cows =
knee? Just wondering. I ordered a couple pounds of beeswax. I'm sure =
I'll have enough left for the rest of the cow after I finish with the =
knee! ;-)=20
Sparks
Double Edge Forge wrote:
try 50/50
D
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From: "James and Sue Stone" <jandsstone@earthlink.net>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 10:22 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: waterproffing
Looking to waterproof a cows knee. I have some pure mink oil (no=20
silicon) and some real beeswax. What proportions of each should I use?
Sparks
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<DIV>I live a hundered miles or so from the Oregon coast, and the rain =
isn't=20
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at the=20
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killing=20
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their buckskin=20
clothes. I wanted to prove to myself that I could kill a buck in a =
rain=20
storm using my flintlock .62 caliber knock off of an English =
sporting=20
rifle. In order to do that I needed to do a little practicing =
along with=20
watching how others do things in the rain. One of the first =
things I=20
learned is that a flinter works much better in the rain than a cap =
lock. =20
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in wet=20
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cap lock=20
and was wanting to prove a point anyhow. I just threw that in =
because it's=20
one man's experience from watching shooting matches in wet weather, =
so take=20
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discovered=20
when shooting in the rain is you need a roof, and that's where that =
broad=20
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or prime you=20
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proof pan,=20
and I tried greasing as well as a calf's knee and they didn't work well =
for=20
me. Cold and rain seem to cause water to condense in the pan, kind =
of like=20
a wick. Here's what worked for me, keeping in mind that I'm 6'2" =
tall, and=20
was in good condition -- not strong as a bull or anything like =
that --=20
just much better condition than I am now at 66. I found that =
the=20
warmth of my hand cupped over the lock was enough to keep the pan =
dry. I=20
used no grease or calfs knee. Putting the balance point of the =
rifle in=20
the crook of my left arm I held the rifle tight against my =
stomach. After=20
awhile I had to use my right hand over the left to help hold the weight =
of the=20
rifle off my left arm, which after two hours was really starting to =
hurt. =20
The truth is, I think them old boys did what ever they had to, and if it =
hurt it=20
hurt, they had to do it. So I gritted my teeth and kept=20
hunting. Not in a stand, I knew where the good spots were, and I =
moved=20
between them. The rain was steady, it didn't let up the entire =
day, and=20
there was very little wind. After awhile your arm doesn't seem to =
hurt=20
quite so bad, and toughing it out I was able to ease up on a =
dandy=20
black tail buck, and at 40 of my paces, offhand and without a rest and =
with=20
instantaneous ignition I managed to unplumb his heart. I =
proved=20
to myself I could do it, and haven't been to keen about getting that wet =
and=20
cold again, so I've been inclined to hunt during the nicer weather =
that=20
happens along once in awhile. Just a little body warmth keeps the =
priming=20
from wicking water and to me that worked better than anything else =
I=20
tried. &=
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Dale Nelson, Roseburg, Oregon </DIV>
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<A title=3Djandsstone@earthlink.net =
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and Sue Stone</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dhist_text@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com">hist_text@lists.xmission.com=
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 01, 2003 =
4:48=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: MtMan-List:=20
waterproffing</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Dennis,<BR>I figured that's exactly what my cows knee =
would=20
look like when I got done greasing it "adequately." But I used =
to work=20
in the woods on the Oregon Coast year-round (120 inches precip =
annually), and=20
before that I worked in the woods up by Quinault, WA on the Olympic =
Peninsula=20
(300 inches annually, but I didn't work during the "rainy =
season"...just the=20
other nine months of the year).<BR><BR>Somewhere along the line I =
began to=20
interpret "waterproof" as being "submersible to=20
300-feet."<BR><BR>Sparks<BR><BR><BR>Double Edge Forge wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3Dmid001b01c3b80f$95be4200$46228fd1@ALASKA =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sparks, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> MIne is so impregnated with =
grease that I=20
don't really remember if I did both sides or not, I am guessing I =
did=20
though....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>D</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228) 0% 50%; FONT: 10pt arial; =
font-stretch: normal; font-size-adjust: none"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Djandsstone@earthlink.net=20
href=3D"mailto:jandsstone@earthlink.net">James and Sue Stone</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-stretch: normal; font-size-adjust: =
none"><B>To:</B>=20
<A title=3Dhist_text@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com">hist_text@lists.xmission.com=
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</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-stretch: normal; font-size-adjust: =
none"><B>Sent:</B>=20
Sunday, November 30, 2003 11:42 PM</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-stretch: normal; font-size-adjust: =
none"><B>Subject:</B>=20
Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Thanks, Dennis.<BR>Do I waterproof the inside as =
well as=20
the outside of the cows knee? Just wondering. I =
ordered a=20
couple pounds of beeswax. I'm sure I'll have enough left for =
the=20
rest of the cow after I finish with the knee! <SPAN=20
class=3Dmoz-smiley-s3><SPAN>;-) =
</SPAN></SPAN><BR>Sparks<BR><BR>Double Edge=20
Forge wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3Dmid002f01c3b7ba$7de5ad30$6a228fd1@ALASKA =
type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">try 50/50
D
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To: <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E =
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Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 10:22 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: waterproffing
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">Looking to waterproof a =
cows knee. I have some pure mink oil (no=20
silicon) and some real beeswax. What proportions of each should I use?
Sparks
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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:11:44 -0800
From: "Dale Nelson" <dnelson@wizzards.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Question
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This question is to all you beaver trappers out there. My neighbor went =
over to the Oregon coast at Bandon for thanksgiving. When they were =
there they were watching critters in the water about where the river =
enters the harbor. It's not a salt marsh or something like that, but a =
tide water enterance of the river into the bay. Along the bank close to =
them there was a beaver working. In the water close by were some ducks. =
All of a sudden one duck spread it's wings like it was going to fly, =
but it froze in that position. A beaver surfaced with the duck in it's =
mouth, swam to shore, let the dead duck go. The beaver climed out of =
the water, and the duck floated away totally ignored by either beaver on =
the bank. Has anyone on the list ever seen or heard of anything like =
this? I never have, and they saw the beaver out of the water and swear =
it had a flat beaver tail, and it wasn't an otter. Besides an otter =
would have enjoyed eating the duck I would think. Dale Nelson
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<DIV>This question is to all you beaver trappers out there. My =
neighbor=20
went over to the Oregon coast at Bandon for thanksgiving. When =
they were=20
there they were watching critters in the water about where the river =
enters the=20
harbor. It's not a salt marsh or something like that, but a tide =
water=20
enterance of the river into the bay. Along the bank close to them =
there=20
was a beaver working. In the water close by were some ducks. =
All of=20
a sudden one duck spread it's wings like it was going to fly, but it =
froze in=20
that position. A beaver surfaced with the duck in it's mouth, swam =
to=20
shore, let the dead duck go. The beaver climed out of the=20
water, and the duck floated away totally ignored by =
either beaver=20
on the bank. Has anyone on the list ever seen or heard=20
of anything like this? I never have, and they saw the beaver =
out of=20
the water and swear it had a flat beaver tail, and it wasn't an =
otter. =20
Besides an otter would have enjoyed eating the duck I would=20
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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:24:17 -0800
From: "roger lahti" <amm1719@charter.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: hist_text-digest V1 #1276
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I'll be here Mike.
Capt. Lahti'
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Mdrougas@aol.com=20
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Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 10:04 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: hist_text-digest V1 #1276
Hi Capt. Lahti,
That's what took so long with my brain tan pantaloons, cutting =
in to the stuff. I finally decided if I screwed up I'd have lot's of =
moccasin material. Thanks for the offer. I write if I get hung up.
Mike Drougas
Yakima County, Wa
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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:44:21 -0700 (MST)
From: beaverboy@sofast.net
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question
Dale,
Beaver have been known to fight otters to the death as they are mortal
enemies. The otters prey on the beaver kits. Martin Hunter in Canadian
Wilds talks of a beaver/otter fight to the death. The beaver died after
killing the otter so I guess he won.
I knew a trapper who caught beaver with dog food for bait so they must
be curious about meat sometimes.
Beaver are serious fighters and extremely territorial with each other
including man. Who hasn't had some beaver pissed at them all night for
being camped near their trails? That duck might have just been too
close to something the beaver liked.
I've caught a couple of fish eating ducks in 330 traps deep down under
the water at beaver den entrances as they chased fish I'm sure. Maybe
the beaver don't like ducks popping up in their dens chasing fish
dinners.
One thing about what you describe, nothing surprises me either way in
the big outdoors anymore. Just when you saw it all something else
happens.
bb
> This question is to all you beaver trappers out there. My neighbor went
> over to the Oregon coast at Bandon for thanksgiving. When they were there
> they were watching critters in the water about where the river enters the
> harbor. It's not a salt marsh or something like that, but a tide water
> enterance of the river into the bay. Along the bank close to them there
> was a beaver working. In the water close by were some ducks. All of a
> sudden one duck spread it's wings like it was going to fly, but it froze
> in that position. A beaver surfaced with the duck in it's mouth, swam to
> shore, let the dead duck go. The beaver climed out of the water, and the
> duck floated away totally ignored by either beaver on the bank. Has
> anyone on the list ever seen or heard of anything like this? I never
> have, and they saw the beaver out of the water and swear it had a flat
> beaver tail, and it wasn't an otter. Besides an otter would have enjoyed
> eating the duck I would think. Dale Nelson
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Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 17:57:30 -0700
From: James and Sue Stone <jandsstone@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing
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Dave,
I was living in Waldport, and had a tidewater dock in the yard of the
rental I was in. One of the places I lived in there had a fireplace.
If I kept an Oregonian newspaper in the house for three days, it would
be too wet to put in the fireplace and light with a match! (That ws in
my pre flint-steel days). I didn't start muzzleloader hunting until I
moved to eastern Idaho, but had no trouble with caplock ignition in wet
or snowy weather. I didn't know what a cows knee was then, but I knew
the four-wing musket caps I had on my pattern 1853 Enfield seemed to
contain at least five or ten grains worth of fire. They never failed.
As far as road killed fish on the coastal highway, I would go one
further and say they weren't all run over...some of them hit
windshields! (tongue in cheek). Seriously, do you know what it feels
like to find mold on your 140+ year old rifle stocks? Makes you want to
put on your "green (mold) suede shoes" and go find a dryer climate!
Sparks--dried out in Utah and Idaho since 1981.
Dale Nelson wrote:
> I live a hundered miles or so from the Oregon coast, and the rain
> isn't quite as bad here as has been alluded to in other messages.
> Over at the coast it's possible to get road killed fish, but that's
> beside the point. Locally deer season starts the first of October and
> runs for a week into November. It has been known to start raining the
> first of Oct. and not stop until the 4th of July. But that doesn't
> happen every year and we can have hot dry Octobers. Lewis and Clark
> spent the winter at Astoria, and folks, it rains in that country, yet
> the hunters were killing lots of elk, hunting in weather so wet it
> rotted their buckskin clothes. I wanted to prove to myself that I
> could kill a buck in a rain storm using my flintlock .62 caliber knock
> off of an English sporting rifle. In order to do that I needed to do
> a little practicing along with watching how others do things in the
> rain. One of the first things I learned is that a flinter works much
> better in the rain than a cap lock. Caps seem to draw moisture if
> handled with wet fingers, let alone being in wet weather. That wasn't
> a problem on account of I don't own a cap lock and was wanting to
> prove a point anyhow. I just threw that in because it's one man's
> experience from watching shooting matches in wet weather, so take it
> for what it's worth. The first and most improtant thing I discovered
> when shooting in the rain is you need a roof, and that's where that
> broad brimed hat comes in. When you pour powder into the bore,
> or prime you can lean a bit forward, get the rifle in close to your
> body and get it loaded and primed dry. My rifle has a so called water
> proof pan, and I tried greasing as well as a calf's knee and they
> didn't work well for me. Cold and rain seem to cause water to
> condense in the pan, kind of like a wick. Here's what worked for me,
> keeping in mind that I'm 6'2" tall, and was in good condition -- not
> strong as a bull or anything like that -- just much better condition
> than I am now at 66. I found that the warmth of my hand cupped over
> the lock was enough to keep the pan dry. I used no grease or calfs
> knee. Putting the balance point of the rifle in the crook of my left
> arm I held the rifle tight against my stomach. After awhile I had to
> use my right hand over the left to help hold the weight of the rifle
> off my left arm, which after two hours was really starting to hurt.
> The truth is, I think them old boys did what ever they had to, and if
> it hurt it hurt, they had to do it. So I gritted my teeth and kept
> hunting. Not in a stand, I knew where the good spots were, and I
> moved between them. The rain was steady, it didn't let up the entire
> day, and there was very little wind. After awhile your arm doesn't
> seem to hurt quite so bad, and toughing it out I was able to ease up
> on a dandy black tail buck, and at 40 of my paces, offhand and without
> a rest and with instantaneous ignition I managed to unplumb his
> heart. I proved to myself I could do it, and haven't been to keen
> about getting that wet and cold again, so I've been inclined to hunt
> during the nicer weather that happens along once in awhile. Just a
> little body warmth keeps the priming from wicking water and to me
> that worked better than anything else I tried. Dale
> Nelson, Roseburg, Oregon
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> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 4:48 PM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing
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> Dennis,
> I figured that's exactly what my cows knee would look like when I
> got done greasing it "adequately." But I used to work in the
> woods on the Oregon Coast year-round (120 inches precip annually),
> and before that I worked in the woods up by Quinault, WA on the
> Olympic Peninsula (300 inches annually, but I didn't work during
> the "rainy season"...just the other nine months of the year).
>
> Somewhere along the line I began to interpret "waterproof" as
> being "submersible to 300-feet."
>
> Sparks
>
>
> Double Edge Forge wrote:
>
>> Sparks,
>> MIne is so impregnated with grease that I don't really remember
>> if I did both sides or not, I am guessing I did though....
>> D
>>
>>
>>
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>> From: James and Sue Stone <mailto:jandsstone@earthlink.net>
>> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>> <mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 11:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: waterproffing
>>
>> Thanks, Dennis.
>> Do I waterproof the inside as well as the outside of the cows
>> knee? Just wondering. I ordered a couple pounds of beeswax.
>> I'm sure I'll have enough left for the rest of the cow after
>> I finish with the knee! ;-)
>> Sparks
>>
>> Double Edge Forge wrote:
>>
>>>try 50/50
>>>
>>>D
>>>
>>>
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>>>To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
>>>Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 10:22 PM
>>>Subject: MtMan-List: waterproffing
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>>Looking to waterproof a cows knee. I have some pure mink oil (no
>>>>silicon) and some real beeswax. What proportions of each should I use?
>>>>
>>>>Sparks
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Dave,<br>
I was living in Waldport, and had a tidewater dock in the yard of the rental
I was in. One of the places I lived in there had a fireplace. If I kept
an Oregonian newspaper in the house for three days, it would be too wet to
put in the fireplace and light with a match! (That ws in my pre flint-steel
days). I didn't start muzzleloader hunting until I moved to eastern Idaho,
but had no trouble with caplock ignition in wet or snowy weather. I didn't
know what a cows knee was then, but I knew the four-wing musket caps I had
on my pattern 1853 Enfield seemed to contain at least five or ten grains
worth of fire. They never failed.<br>
<br>
As far as road killed fish on the coastal highway, I would go one further
and say they weren't all run over...some of them hit windshields! (tongue
in cheek). Seriously, do you know what it feels like to find mold on your
140+ year old rifle stocks? Makes you want to put on your "green (mold)
suede shoes" and go find a dryer climate!<br>
<br>
Sparks--dried out in Utah and Idaho since 1981.<br>
<br>
<br>
Dale Nelson wrote:<br>
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<div>I live a hundered miles or so from the Oregon coast, and the rain
isn't quite as bad here as has been alluded to in other messages. Over
at the coast it's possible to get road killed fish, but that's beside the
point. Locally deer season starts the first of October and runs for a week
into November. It has been known to start raining the first of Oct. and
not stop until the 4th of July. But that doesn't happen every year and
we can have hot dry Octobers. Lewis and Clark spent the winter at Astoria,
and folks, it rains in that country, yet the hunters were killing lots of
elk, hunting in weather so wet it rotted their buckskin clothes. I wanted
to prove to myself that I could kill a buck in a rain storm using my flintlock
.62 caliber knock off of an English sporting rifle. In order to do that
I needed to do a little practicing along with watching how others do things in
the rain. One of the first things I learned is that a flinter works much
better in the rain than a cap lock. Caps seem to draw moisture if handled
with wet fingers, let alone being in wet weather. That wasn't a problem
on account of I don't own a cap lock and was wanting to prove a point anyhow.
I just threw that in because it's one man's experience from watching shooting
matches in wet weather, so take it for what it's worth. The first and most
improtant thing I discovered when shooting in the rain is you need a roof,
and that's where that broad brimed hat comes in. When you pour powder into
the bore, or prime you can lean a bit forward, get the rifle in close to
your body and get it loaded and primed dry. My rifle has a so called water
proof pan, and I tried greasing as well as a calf's knee and they didn't
work well for me. Cold and rain seem to cause water to condense in the
pan, kind of like a wick. Here's what worked for me, keeping in mind that
I'm 6'2" tall, and was in good condition -- not strong as a bull or anything
like that -- just much better condition than I am now at 66. I found that
the warmth of my hand cupped over the lock was enough to keep the pan dry.
I used no grease or calfs knee. Putting the balance point of the rifle
in the crook of my left arm I held the rifle tight against my stomach.
After awhile I had to use my right hand over the left to help hold the weight
of the rifle off my left arm, which after two hours was really starting
to hurt. The truth is, I think them old boys did what ever they had to,
and if it hurt it hurt, they had to do it. So I gritted my teeth and kept
hunting. Not in a stand, I knew where the good spots were, and I moved
between them. The rain was steady, it didn't let up the entire day, and
there was very little wind. After awhile your arm doesn't seem to hurt
quite so bad, and toughing it out I was able to ease up on a dandy black
tail buck, and at 40 of my paces, offhand and without a rest and with instantaneous
ignition I managed to unplumb his heart. I proved to myself I could do
it, and haven't been to keen about getting that wet and cold again, so I've
been inclined to hunt during the nicer weather that happens along once in
awhile. Just a little body warmth keeps the priming from wicking water
and to me that worked better than anything else I tried.
Dale Nelson, Roseburg, Oregon </div>
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Dennis,<br>
I figured that's exactly what my cows knee would look like when I got
done greasing it "adequately." But I used to work in the woods on the
Oregon Coast year-round (120 inches precip annually), and before that
I worked in the woods up by Quinault, WA on the Olympic Peninsula (300
inches annually, but I didn't work during the "rainy season"...just the
other nine months of the year).<br>
<br>
Somewhere along the line I began to interpret "waterproof" as being "submersible
to 300-feet."<br>
<br>
Sparks<br>
<br>
<br>
Double Edge Forge wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2"> MIne is so impregnated with grease
that I don't really remember if I did both sides or not, I am guessing
I did though....</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">D</font></div>
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Thanks, Dennis.<br>
Do I waterproof the inside as well as the outside of the cows knee?
Just wondering. I ordered a couple pounds of beeswax. I'm sure
I'll have enough left for the rest of the cow after I finish with
the knee! <span class="moz-smiley-s3"><span>;-) </span></span><br>
Sparks<br>
<br>
Double Edge Forge wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">try 50/50
D
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