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hist_text-digest      Monday, November 10 2003      Volume 01 : Number 1263



In this issue:

-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: The Northwoods
-áááááá MtMan-List: bedding
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: bedding
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: bedding
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-áááááá MtMan-List: Sheepskin Sleeping Robes
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Calling Frenchtown Sean
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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 20:10:33 -0700
From: James and Sue Stone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Northwoods

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Beaverboy,
When it is quite cold, like -18, or even 5 or 7 above, animals act
differently than they do when we are hunting them on the balmy days of
September and October.  I have this from two sources.
First, a wildlife biologist and guide told me that waterfowl wait until
it is a bit warmer to move about...like the same time of day we would
consider moving about...mid day.  another wildlife biologist source said
that deer stay bedded until more comfortable times in the face of a
storm or cold temps.  Makes sense to me, I see many  more moving
waterfowl between 10 adn 2 when it is mostly frozen.  I have seen plenty
of deer in mid day during Idaho's muzzleloader season (November).
Sparks

[e-mail] wrote:

>SMB,
>They weren't just the plews, they had the beaver in them too!
>      Got down to -18 below in the Sun River valley last night. I almost
>didn't go to my stand this morning but you don't get deer watching
>the Today show.
>      Well, I should have watched the the Today show because all I got was
>cold toes! The bitter cold really makes the sound travel. The dry
>snow squeaked when I hiked in.
>      People ask me all the time about beaver tails, I've never found any
>references to them being used for anything but a meal. Not a big
>deal to me. I have a knife sheath made of one too, but seldom use
>it. Looks good though!
>      Stay warm,
>           BB
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>Well, Huzzaa to you!!! It's a good day when you get a sore back from
>>carting
>>off all those plews!! MMMM  fresh bever stew............. I've served it
>>to
>>a few pilgrims who didn't know what it was. I'm now relegated to bringing
>>the potato chips............... If you've never tried it that tail if
>>skinned and dried tight then oiled will make a pretty durable knife sheath
>>if you use it as an outer cover on a soft piece of leather. I have a
>>new/old
>>knife I'm planning on doing just that with.   When I get some of the
>>yellow
>>toothed critters for my self.
>>
>>SMB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: [e-mail]
>>>Reply-To: [e-mail]
>>>To: [e-mail]
>>>Subject: MtMan-List: The Northwoods
>>>Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 20:27:28 -0700 (MST)
>>>
>>>Dear List,
>>>         Winter reared it's ugly head early here in north central
>>>Montana.
>>>Bitter cold and blowing snow for the last five days. It was 5
>>>degrees above when I got up at 5:00AM to go deer hunting. I was
>>>up not ten minutes making coffee when I heard a rap on the front
>>>door! It was the newspaper lady. She was stuck in a snow drift
>>>nearby and needed a tow, she came to my house because my light
>>>was on. It was the first time we met though I have passed her
>>>many times in the early morning on my way to work. She was
>>>running an hour behind schedule due to the snow. I usually pass
>>>her around 3:30 - 4:00AM. She starts her work day at 1:00AM which
>>>made me feel pretty good about my work hours. She's a
>>>Grandmother, tough old gal! She was bundled up and had a
>>>flashlight. I told her to knock anytime she was in a bind whether
>>>the light was on or not.
>>>         I only have to hike a short distance from my home to hunt
>>>whitetails which is why I can sleep in so late. I even have time
>>>to enjoy some hot coffee and watch the news before leaving. The
>>>weather the last three mornings has been bitter cold! This is the
>>>weather they write about in the journals like that of Fort Clark
>>>and Fort Union!! Bitter, bitter cold with a stiff north wind and
>>>snow with deep drifts in spots! It's all I can do to sit in my
>>>stand for an hour and a half before getting too cold. And I am
>>>bundled up. Once I get moving I'm fine, but everyone knows it's
>>>tough to hunt whitetails on the move.
>>>      I have to keep a close watch on my lock steel and blow snow from
>>>it.
>>>      I decided not to set traps for the Red Drifters (red fox) yet as
>>>it
>>>is soo bitterly cold,  I want his last day on earth to be a little
>>>more comfortable. Remember, I'm an old softy now.  I did wade out to
>>>an island on the Missouri River yesterday and set 7 beaver traps.
>>>These were all killer drowning sets so I did not worry about them. I
>>>checked them this afternoon and had 6 beaver in the 7 traps! It
>>>doesn't get much better than this! For those of you who don't know,
>>>rolling a wet rat, mink or beaver in snow dries it instantly. You
>>>have to take it quickly out of the water and put it right into the
>>>snow and roll and rub it all over with snow.  It will work too if
>>>you ever take a spill in icy water and need to soak up some of the
>>>water quick.
>>>        I had to make two trips off of the island with my trapping pack
>>>loaded down. One trip it weighed 88 pounds not including ax. The
>>>second trip it was 93 pounds. I couldn't even make it up the snowy
>>>bank with the heavy pack. I had to take it off and push it up
>>>ahead of me.
>>>       I rough skinned two of the smaller beaver right off so the dogs
>>>could have fresh meat tonight. They are ravenous eaters in this
>>>bitter cold. I cut off all four hams (8 total) and saved the
>>>remaining carcass for cat trappers I know who use what's left for
>>>bait. Nothing goes to waste in the north woods.
>>>      Life has been good for beaver boy. With 6 beaver in one night, I
>>>guess I can go by beaverboy for another 6 month's anyway.
>>>      It's clear out now and I just checked my thermometer and its -10
>>>below at 8:00PM! Tomorrow's hunt should be interesting.
>>>      These are shining times!  I'm having a hot toddy tonight and built
>>>a
>>>fire in the woodstove. Hey, I'm on vacation! Oh, and I took two
>>>aspirins too.
>>>      Good luck to all of you down the trail,
>>>           beaverboy
>>>
>>>
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Beaverboy,<br>
When it is quite cold, like -18, or even 5 or 7 above, animals act differently
than they do when we are hunting them on the balmy days of September and
October.  I have this from two sources.<br>
First, a wildlife biologist and guide told me that waterfowl wait until it
is a bit warmer to move about...like the same time of day we would consider
moving about...mid day.  another wildlife biologist source said that deer
stay bedded until more comfortable times in the face of a storm or cold temps.
 Makes sense to me, I see many  more moving waterfowl between 10 adn 2 when
it is mostly frozen.  I have seen plenty of deer in mid day during Idaho's
muzzleloader season (November).<br>
Sparks <br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[e-mail]">[e-mail]</a> wrote:<br>
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  <pre wrap="">SMB,
They weren't just the plews, they had the beaver in them too!
      Got down to -18 below in the Sun River valley last night. I almost
didn't go to my stand this morning but you don't get deer watching
the Today show.
      Well, I should have watched the the Today show because all I got was
cold toes! The bitter cold really makes the sound travel. The dry
snow squeaked when I hiked in.
      People ask me all the time about beaver tails, I've never found any
references to them being used for anything but a meal. Not a big
deal to me. I have a knife sheath made of one too, but seldom use
it. Looks good though!
      Stay warm,
           BB





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    <pre wrap="">Well, Huzzaa to you!!! It's a good day when you get a sore back from
carting
off all those plews!! MMMM  fresh bever stew............. I've served it
to
a few pilgrims who didn't know what it was. I'm now relegated to bringing
the potato chips............... If you've never tried it that tail if
skinned and dried tight then oiled will make a pretty durable knife sheath
if you use it as an outer cover on a soft piece of leather. I have a
new/old
knife I'm planning on doing just that with.   When I get some of the
yellow
toothed critters for my self.

SMB


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Reply-To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[e-mail]">[e-mail]</a>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[e-mail]">[e-mail]</a>
Subject: MtMan-List: The Northwoods
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 20:27:28 -0700 (MST)

Dear List,
         Winter reared it’s ugly head early here in north central
Montana.
Bitter cold and blowing snow for the last five days. It was 5
degrees above when I got up at 5:00AM to go deer hunting. I was
up not ten minutes making coffee when I heard a rap on the front
door! It was the newspaper lady. She was stuck in a snow drift
nearby and needed a tow, she came to my house because my light
was on. It was the first time we met though I have passed her
many times in the early morning on my way to work. She was
running an hour behind schedule due to the snow. I usually pass
her around 3:30 - 4:00AM. She starts her work day at 1:00AM which
made me feel pretty good about my work hours. She’s a
Grandmother, tough old gal! She was bundled up and had a
flashlight. I told her to knock anytime she was in a bind whether
the light was on or not.
         I only have to hike a short distance from my home to hunt
whitetails which is why I can sleep in so late. I even have time
to enjoy some hot coffee and watch the news before leaving. The
weather the last three mornings has been bitter cold! This is the
weather they write about in the journals like that of Fort Clark
and Fort Union!! Bitter, bitter cold with a stiff north wind and
snow with deep drifts in spots! It’s all I can do to sit in my
stand for an hour and a half before getting too cold. And I am
bundled up. Once I get moving I’m fine, but everyone knows it’s
tough to hunt whitetails on the move.
      I have to keep a close watch on my lock steel and blow snow from
it.
      I decided not to set traps for the Red Drifters (red fox) yet as
it
is soo bitterly cold,  I want his last day on earth to be a little
more comfortable. Remember, I’m an old softy now.  I did wade out to
an island on the Missouri River yesterday and set 7 beaver traps.
These were all killer drowning sets so I did not worry about them. I
checked them this afternoon and had 6 beaver in the 7 traps! It
doesn’t get much better than this! For those of you who don’t know,
rolling a wet rat, mink or beaver in snow dries it instantly. You
have to take it quickly out of the water and put it right into the
snow and roll and rub it all over with snow.  It will work too if
you ever take a spill in icy water and need to soak up some of the
water quick.
        I had to make two trips off of the island with my trapping pack
loaded down. One trip it weighed 88 pounds not including ax. The
second trip it was 93 pounds. I couldn’t even make it up the snowy
bank with the heavy pack. I had to take it off and push it up
ahead of me.
       I rough skinned two of the smaller beaver right off so the dogs
could have fresh meat tonight. They are ravenous eaters in this
bitter cold. I cut off all four hams (8 total) and saved the
remaining carcass for cat trappers I know who use what’s left for
bait. Nothing goes to waste in the north woods.
      Life has been good for beaver boy. With 6 beaver in one night, I
guess I can go by beaverboy for another 6 month’s anyway.
      It’s clear out now and I just checked my thermometer and its -10
below at 8:00PM! Tomorrow’s hunt should be interesting.
      These are shining times!  I’m having a hot toddy tonight and built
a
fire in the woodstove. Hey, I’m on vacation! Oh, and I took two
aspirins too.
      Good luck to all of you down the trail,
           beaverboy



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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 22:09:08 -0700
From: "Larry" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: bedding

for bedding, the best thing appears to be a buffalo robe.  unfortunately not
all of us can afford   a buffalo robe right off.  (I am saving up my pennies
and dimes though). so how do the alternates measure up?
deer hide
elk
moose
bear
caribou
what's the next best thing?
larry




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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 21:20:42 -0800
From: "roger lahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bedding

Larry,

I don't have any experience using any of the others for a bed but other than
the bear, the other critters will loose hair something fast as it breaks off
easily. I hear that a brain tan deer/elk/moose/whatever hide holds it's hair
well but not the commercial ones. A thick bear robe would be good.

Before I got my buffalo robe this spring I did give thought over the years
of sewing up some sheep robes into a bed roll but I think they would have
been very heavy by the time I got enough to roll up in. I've used a trimmed
down sheep skin as a sleeping pad (3/4 pad) and that helps but it is pretty
heavy even then and is extra weight when two blankets in a canvas bed roll
or one buffalo rob are enough for below freezing temps.

Capt. Lahti'


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> for bedding, the best thing appears to be a buffalo robe.  unfortunately
not
> all of us can afford   a buffalo robe right off.  (I am saving up my
pennies
> and dimes though). so how do the alternates measure up?
> deer hide
> elk
> moose
> bear
> caribou
> what's the next best thing?
> larry
>
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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 02:02:03 -0700 (MST)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bedding

The best thing is wool blankets, in my opinion. I've never been extremely
impressed with my bison robe. I gotta believe pound for pound, wool is the
best. Plus the getting wet factor.
   Wool is cheap too.
        bb




> for bedding, the best thing appears to be a buffalo robe.  unfortunately
> not
> all of us can afford   a buffalo robe right off.  (I am saving up my
> pennies
> and dimes though). so how do the alternates measure up?
> deer hide
> elk
> moose
> bear
> caribou
> what's the next best thing?
> larry
>
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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:11:57 -0700
From: Ole Jensen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bedding

Larry,
A couple of months ago Sam's club had wool fleece on sale at 75.00 each
that is about 125.00 less than a Hudson Bay blanket..
Ole
On Sunday, November 9, 2003, at 10:09 PM, Larry wrote:

> for bedding, the best thing appears to be a buffalo robe.
> unfortunately not
> all of us can afford   a buffalo robe right off.  (I am saving up my
> pennies
> and dimes though). so how do the alternates measure up?
> deer hide
> elk
> moose
> bear
> caribou
> what's the next best thing?
> larry
>
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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:20:25 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bedding

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In a message dated 11/10/2003 1:02:34 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:
I've never been extremely
impressed with my bison robe.
Hmmmm..... Beaver, your robe must be a summer kill, or at least not prime.
The brain tan buffalo robe I got a couple years ago with Bead, is far and away
the best blanket I've ever had. I've slept on frozen ground with just a drop
cloth, a sheep skin for a pad, and the robe for a blanket and think the temp was
down around 10 degrees in the morning. Only time I was cold was when I kicked
the robe off for being too warm. I wore my clothes then (mostly wool) and
mocs mainly because I wanted to get up before light, and go hunting.

A couple weeks ago at a camp with Crawdad, it got down to freezing and I
slept near nakid under the stars with only the robe for cover..... My onlyest
bitch is when it's real cold.... I have to pull the hide over my head, and
sometimes feel like I may suffocate unless I lift a conner for fresh air.
Actually.... I also get a little tired of spitting out hair balls once in a while too,
but a small price to pay...<G>

So..... my ideal winter nest would be a good water proof ground cloth, a
thick sheep skin pad, a folded wool blanket to sleep on, (nice ground insulation)
and the brain tan buffalo hide. If it gets real cold, I'd sleep with dry
clothes on, and need to get a wool "wolf ear" cap with ties for head cover, because
my wool cap keeps falling off...

Too bad your robe ain't warm, cause nearly everyone I know swears by them....

Magpie

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:42:26 -0800
From: "roger lahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bedding

I got to agree with bb on bison robes being a pain if they get wet. But I
suspect that, well I know my robe is warmer than an equivalent weight of
wool blanket. To make the blankets warm at all you still need some sort of
air barrier like a canvas bed roll to cut the air movement by the blanket.
The robe comes with it's own barrier but it's not water repellent at all.
Brain tan is very light though when done right with plenty of hide shaving
to get it thin as possible.

I still have good use for my wool blankets.

Capt. Lahti



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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:04:23 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Sheepskin Sleeping Robes

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I have been using a sheepskin sleeping robe lately.  I acquired 6 shearling
hides measuring about 6 sq ft each with 1/2 to 3/4 wool.  Stitched them
together, folded over and thonged around the outside edge every 4 inches - makes like
a sleeping bag!  Finished size came out to be 34 x 73 - plenty of room to
stretch out in. Completed, it weighs in at 9 pounds and folds to about the same
as a comparable buffalo robe.

"Test driving" the robe - I've taken it out and sleeping in the southwest
desert here - I've been perfectly warm in weather down to 26 deg sleeping nekkid!
 I tried it with 3 and 4 point blankets a time or two and have been a little
too warm.

As far as historical - well, "mountaineers" used sheepskin epishamores -
documentation a plenty!  Sheepskins have been used for sleeping for centuries -
used by ancient Romans and Greeks.  Ewing Young was to have traded "Fine woven
blankets and tanned sheepskins" from the Utes and Navajoes out of Taos in the
30's - I assume (there's that word again) that sheep had been acquired from the
Mexicans in New Mexico.


Ace "the Chief" Emanuel
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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:31:13 -0500
From: "Addison Miller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Calling Frenchtown Sean

Sure... :))  email for the MLML is [e-mail] ....

Or... you can use my regular email [e-mail] ....

Regards,

Ad Miller

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> Sean,
>    Can you contact me off list. I lost your address.
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>               Beaverboy
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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:21:49 -0700
From: James and Sue Stone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bedding

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I've had no problem keeping a hat on my head when it's cold.  Seems like
my head seeks out that warmth when it is out in the cold...
Sparks

[e-mail] wrote:

> In a message dated 11/10/2003 1:02:34 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> [e-mail] writes:
>
>     I've never been extremely
>     impressed with my bison robe.
>
> Hmmmm..... Beaver, your robe must be a summer kill, or at least not
> prime. The brain tan buffalo robe I got a couple years ago with Bead,
> is far and away the best blanket I've ever had. I've slept on frozen
> ground with just a drop cloth, a sheep skin for a pad, and the robe
> for a blanket and think the temp was down around 10 degrees in the
> morning. Only time I was cold was when I kicked the robe off for being
> too warm. I wore my clothes then (mostly wool) and mocs mainly because
> I wanted to get up before light, and go hunting.
>
> A couple weeks ago at a camp with Crawdad, it got down to freezing and
> I slept near nakid under the stars with only the robe for
> cover..... My onlyest bitch is when it's real cold.... I have to pull
> the hide over my head, and sometimes feel like I may suffocate unless
> I lift a conner for fresh air. Actually.... I also get a little tired
> of spitting out hair balls once in a while too, but a small price to
> pay...<G>
>
> So..... my ideal winter nest would be a good water proof ground cloth,
> a thick sheep skin pad, a folded wool blanket to sleep on, (nice
> ground insulation) and the brain tan buffalo hide. If it gets real
> cold, I'd sleep with dry clothes on, and need to get a wool "wolf ear"
> cap with ties for head cover, because my wool cap keeps falling off...
>
> Too bad your robe ain't warm, cause nearly everyone I know swears by
> them....
>
> Magpie



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I've had no problem keeping a hat on my head when it's cold.  Seems like
my head seeks out that warmth when it is out in the cold...<br>
Sparks<br>
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  <div>Hmmmm..... Beaver, your robe must be a summer kill, or at least not
prime. The brain tan buffalo robe I got a couple years ago with Bead, is
far and away the best blanket I've ever had. I've slept on frozen ground
with just a drop cloth, a sheep skin for a pad, and the robe for a blanket
and think the temp was down around 10 degrees in the morning. Only time I
was cold was when I kicked the robe off for being too warm. I wore my clothes
then (mostly wool) and mocs mainly because I wanted to get up before light,
and go hunting.</div>

  <div> </div>

  <div>A couple weeks ago at a camp with Crawdad, it got down to freezing
and I slept near nakid under the stars with only the robe for cover..... My
onlyest bitch is when it's real cold.... I have to pull the hide over my
head, and sometimes feel like I may suffocate unless I lift a conner for
fresh air. Actually.... I also get a little tired of spitting out hair balls
once in a while too, but a small price to pay...<G></div>

  <div> </div>

  <div>So..... my ideal winter nest would be a good water proof ground cloth,
a thick sheep skin pad, a folded wool blanket to sleep on, (nice ground insulation)
and the brain tan buffalo hide. If it gets real cold, I'd sleep with dry
clothes on, and need to get a wool "wolf ear" cap with ties for head cover,
because my wool cap keeps falling off...    </div>

  <div> </div>

  <div>Too bad your robe ain't warm, cause nearly everyone I know swears
by them....</div>

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:59:11 -0800
From: "Randal Bublitz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: bedding

Larry,     I have a braintanned buffalo robe (winter kill cow, from Wes
Housler-New Mex.).  I , too, swear by it.  I have slept in near 0 temps
with it, a canvas tarp, and a wool blanket- and woke up warm and cozy.
Before the buff robe,  I have used a sheep skin as padding, and ground
insulation, and highly recommend a sheep skin. I have used an elk robe, but
the hair is brittle and breaks off (making you feel like having had a fresh
hair cut- scratchy).  I solved this by using the elk to lay on top of, with
a mexican saddle blanket over it.  Half of the trick to beating the cold is
having insulation under you, as well as a cover over you.  I agree that a
wool blanket works better when combined with a piece of tarp to keep the
air flow down.  The best/ cheapest bed roll I have used is a 10 X 10' tarp,
a sheep skin and a good wool blanket or two.  Lay the tarp down, put the
sheepskin wool side up on half the tarp.  lay the blankets out flat on top
of the sheep skin.  Lay down (with tarp, sheepskin, blankets under you)
fold blanket(s) over you with other half of tarp.  This arrangement works
pretty good for me.  The buffalo robe , tarp and maybe a blanket works
better for me.  It was hard to spend so much money for a good brain tanned
buff robe, but I don't regret it now that I have one.   Yfab, Randy


> [Original Message]
> From: Larry <[e-mail]>
> To: <[e-mail]>
> Date: 11/9/03 9:09:32 PM
> Subject: MtMan-List: bedding
>
> for bedding, the best thing appears to be a buffalo robe.  unfortunately
not
> all of us can afford   a buffalo robe right off.  (I am saving up my
pennies
> and dimes though). so how do the alternates measure up?
> deer hide
> elk
> moose
> bear
> caribou
> what's the next best thing?
> larry
>
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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:02:07 -0800
From: "roger lahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bedding

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I've never had much success with a stocking cap but since I got me a =
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it on all night. It may end up turned around a couple times but it's =
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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:21:51 -0700 (MST)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: bedding

> Hmmmm..... Beaver, your robe must be a summer kill, or at least not prime.

Magpie,
    My robe came from Yellowstone Park in the winter when they were in
there shooting them and selling the hides a few years back.
   I was a furbuyer for 10 years, I could spot, smell or taste a summer
hide or flat pelt in the dark a 1/2 mile away. No, it's a winter hide
and from Yellowstone Park. It's the real thing. 6'x6' or 36' square
feet.
   It is commercially tanned which makes it heavier than brain tanned but
only rich pilots and retired Colonel biologist can afford prime brain
tanned bison hides. (just kidding) Most people cannot afford a hide
tanned by Wes.
   I know Larry is a poor trapper like beaverboy.
   Any wet bison hide regardless of how it is tanned weighs a lot and does
not retain it's insulation like wool does when wet, nothing does. Plus
wool dries much faster than any type of wet hide ever will. I love wool
above all other fabrics on this earth!!!!!! But hey, thats just my
opinion. I don't care what anyone uses in their camp.
   If bison is so great why is everyone wearing wool copotes and not bison
robe coats?
   Capt., I use a canvas mantee cloth for wind and moisture protection no
matter which bedding I use.
   If bison robes were so great, why did every Indian want wool
blankets??? It wasn't just all the pretty colors.
   Larry, I suggest you just buy some white surplus English hospital
blankets (without the blue stripe if you can find them) Or some other
historically correct color blanket and buy five or six of them. You can
find them cheap all over.
   Also, do you notice how many campers use a wool blanket with their
bison robes? Maybe thats why they seem so warm????
   Stay warm,
        bb


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