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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1259 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Sunday, November 2 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1259 In this issue: -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: winter camps and gear -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: winter camps and gear -áááááá MtMan-List: L&C rifles -áááááá MtMan-List: Nazi talk -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Fw: White Arian Brotherhood -áááááá MtMan-List: cold weather camping -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: winter camps and gear -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: cold weather camping -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: winter camps and gear -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: winter camps and gear -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: winter camps and gear (Wes Housler) -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: L&C rifles -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: cold weather camping ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 09:21:25 -0700 (MST) From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: winter camps and gear >Hey Larry! Nice trip down the Missouri we had! I had a great time with you guys. I prefer as many wool blankets as I can carry or care to carry. The layering effect helps a lot. This bed roll is all contained in my mantee cloth. You saw how I did it on the trip. I stay pretty dang warm in that bed. I haven't ever tried the coals under the bed or a chimney bed, yet! I have a bison robe but bison robes ain't all they are cracked up to be! The staff at Fort Union were all issued two robes for their personal use and of course they were staying inside of buildings that had fireplaces. Wool leggings are a good idea for winter pants. And several pairs of mocs so you can have a pair drying at anyone time. Trappers up here in our country just tried to stay warm and dry during the winter camp and feed their stock. Maybe an occasional beaver trapping trip to some open water if it could be found or a cattle hunt. The dead of winter in the far north was time to read books on loan from Fort Hall or other forts. Time to keep the fire burning and smoke the pipe as you repaired gear. The longer they spent in camp the nicer it got I'm sure, with the snow melting around the fire and them fixing it up some. This recent bitter cold snap and snow fall we have makes me wonder about the mettle of those tough men and latter pioneers that came up to this God forsaken wasteland. What drove these people?!!!! The good times are great! The bad times are terrible!! It must have been the good times! I'll be setting steel today for some long fur then after beaver tomorrow. Are you coming to hunting camp? Talk to you later Larry, Beaverboy > > Being a new pilgrim, I would like to get it right the first time. Once > hunting season is over, I plan on making new gear, and repairing old gear. > What type of gear do I need for winter camps? I know I need to make some > wool pants and winter mocs. did they have long underwear in the 1800's? I > know I need to layer, but what do you suggest besides my shirt and capote? > What do you use to sleep in? how many wool blankets would it take, or is > there a better way? We can expect 40 below here in Montana, and I would > rather be prepared. > Larry > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 09:26:07 -0700 (MST) From: beaverboy@sofast.net Subject: Re: MtMan-List: winter camps and gear Ole, I read Crazy's note around 3:30AM when I wake up every morning due to my fine work hours. I checked my mail and went back to bed. What I want to know is why Crazy is typing at 3:11AM!! He must be crazy! I planned on sleeping in today until 6:30AM! This will be the last time I can sleep in for five weeks or until I fill some tags! Lot easier getting up for a hunt then for work! Good luck down the trail! bb > Larry, > Crazy is very experienced in winter and I can't think of anyone better > to learn this skill from. > Ole > On Sunday, November 2, 2003, at 03:11 AM, GazeingCyot@cs.com wrote: > >> Larry >> Lanney and Pat had some good ideas. >> I do use shared body heat most of the time myself but I am lucky in >> the fact that when I do it is with Jill and I do not have to put up >> with as much of the snoring that some of the Brothers do at night. >> I have heard of some using the hot rock trick but ya can get the rocks >> to hot and burn stuff. Plus Montana is like Idaho and as a rule when >> ya want to try and use hot rocks they are usually under a lot of snow. >> Here is something I've seen done by a few that seems to work well for >> them they poor their water out of their canteen in to a pot and bring >> it to a boil and poor it back in to there canteen and tie a rag around >> it so the cork cannot come out and use it as a hot water bottle. Of >> cores you what to make sure it will not leek and only do this with a >> copper or tin canteens. >> The coldest night I have been out on the ground was around -45 and I >> have done several -15 and lower. When it this cold never brake a sweat >> and do not go to bed wet have dry mocs or socks to put on to go to bed >> with. >> I have never been able to keep a hat on at night when I sleep so I >> make my bed so I can have one of the wool blanket that I can pull up >> over my head when I sleep. You get to breath warm air and it helps to >> keep your body heat in your bed where you want it. >> As for this putting moisture in your bed as long as you do not pull an >> oil cloth over your head with it I have not noticed this to be a >> problem and this is with two of use in the same bed doing the same >> thing. The only place where I have noticed any moisture is the spot >> where my breath has been hitting the blanket and is a spot of only a >> couple of inches in diameter and that is all. >> As for keeping a fire going all night if you have to do this you do >> not have enough bedding and it is time to add to your bed roll is what >> I think. As a rule I sleep a ways away form the fire pit any way hot >> sparks and oil cloth do not go well together. >> If you have enough under you as in oil cloth and buff hide or hair on >> elk or sheep skins and blankets plus your bedding folded under you, >> you should not have to build a nest of pine bows and such. Any way I >> have only built a nest once and that was on one of my first primitive >> winter camp after that I learned how to put my bed roll together so it >> had enough insulation built in under me so I can lay it out on top of >> the snow and be just fine. >> The worst thing that can happen is to be camped in deep snow and have >> it warm up and start to rain then you have got problems big time. So >> long as it stays below freezing and you stay dry you will be fine so >> long as you are prepared for the cold that is. >> I have read of Mountain Men wintering in Cache Valley and here in the >> Snake River Valley both these places see a lot of snow and cold well >> below so they did not always winter in warmer places. >> If they could they did get ready for winter so they would have had >> enough buff hides to keep them warm at night and they did try to spend >> as much time as they could in one place come winter so a tipi or cabin >> was built at times but there were times when they had to move camp in >> winter and they did not have these luxuries also. >> When I do my winter camps I think of myself as one doing just this for >> on snow shoes and pulling toboggans this is a man on the move and the >> way I do my winter camps. >> Any way Larry if you want to see some pictures from some of our winter >> camps there are some on my web site and on this other site a good >> article on winter camping for women that also gives some information >> that can help any one doing winter camps. Ya might want to take a >> look. From what I've seen and heard every ones does it a little >> different and you just need to find out what works best for you. >> See ya on the trail >> Crazy Cyot >> http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/id7.htm >> http://members.tripod.com/womenofthefurtrade/id3.htm >> > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 11:08:36 -0600 From: "Frank Fusco" <Rifleman1776@cox-internet.com> Subject: MtMan-List: L&C rifles This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C3A131.A99416F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The story was an Associated Press thing that I saw posted on Yahoo. Frank - ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C3A131.A99416F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1264" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV> The story was an Associated Press thing that I = saw=20 posted on Yahoo.</DIV> <DIV>Frank</DIV></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C3A131.A99416F0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 11:09:11 -0600 From: "Frank Fusco" <Rifleman1776@cox-internet.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Nazi talk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C3A131.BE056580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This definately is not the place for this discussion thread. Frank - ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C3A131.BE056580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1264" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV> This definately is not the place for this = discussion=20 thread.</DIV> <DIV>Frank</DIV></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C3A131.BE056580-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 12:11:02 -0500 From: Fred Miller <fmiller@lightlink.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: White Arian Brotherhood On Sunday 02 November 2003 7:54 am, Palmer Schatell wrote: > Sir: > You are mistaken. Pond scum and these mental and moral defectives can be > used as fertilizer. Don't forget, no one is totally useless. The worst of > us can all ways serve as horrible examples. Sorry, I forgot - that's true. A good examply is Hillary. Fred - -- "...Linux, MS-DOS, and Windows XP (also known as the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly)." - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 11:16:42 -0600 From: "Frank Fusco" <Rifleman1776@cox-internet.com> Subject: MtMan-List: cold weather camping This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C3A132.CB3CEBF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Those on this list have dedication to authenticity, however one = defines it, ranging from "don't care" to strict observance of what they = believe the RMFT guys did back then. Something not often discussed on this list is the fact that it was = very 'authentic' to die painful, gruesome and horrible deaths from many = things we routinely care for today with modern items. Freezing to death certainly is 'authentic'. As was pointed out, = below certain temperatures, simply being outside requires serious = survival techniques if one expects to wake up again. There comes a time when common sense must prevail over the desire to = prove one is 'authentic'. A tin-teepee with a heater or a cozy cabin is = much more appealing to my old bones than sleeping like a sled dog. Frank - ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C3A132.CB3CEBF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1264" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> =20 <DIV> Those on this list have dedication to = authenticity,=20 however one defines it, ranging from "don't care" to strict observance = of what=20 they believe the RMFT guys did back then.</DIV> <DIV> Something not often discussed on this list is = the fact=20 that it was very 'authentic' to die painful, gruesome and horrible = deaths from=20 many things we routinely care for today with modern items.</DIV> <DIV> Freezing to death certainly is 'authentic'. As = was=20 pointed out, below certain temperatures, simply being outside requires = serious=20 survival techniques if one expects to wake up again.</DIV> <DIV> There comes a time when common sense must = prevail over=20 the desire to prove one is 'authentic'. A tin-teepee with a heater or a = cozy=20 cabin is much more appealing to my old bones than sleeping like a sled=20 dog.</DIV> <DIV>Frank</DIV></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C3A132.CB3CEBF0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 09:16:48 -0800 From: "Candi Smith" <twostitch@archersminiatures.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: winter camps and gear This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C3A122.0B1632B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello to all, All have been discussing the use of buffalo robes as the best for = keeping warm in one's winter camp. My queation is this, where does one = obtain a buffalo robe without paying through the nose at some of the fur = traders to get one? Candi/Twostitch ----- Original Message -----=20 From: GazeingCyot@cs.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 2:11 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: winter camps and gear Larry=20 Lanney and Pat had some good ideas.=20 I do use shared body heat most of the time myself but I am lucky in = the fact that when I do it is with Jill and I do not have to put up with = as much of the snoring that some of the Brothers do at night.=20 I have heard of some using the hot rock trick but ya can get the rocks = to hot and burn stuff. Plus Montana is like Idaho and as a rule when ya = want to try and use hot rocks they are usually under a lot of snow. Here = is something I've seen done by a few that seems to work well for them = they poor their water out of their canteen in to a pot and bring it to a = boil and poor it back in to there canteen and tie a rag around it so the = cork cannot come out and use it as a hot water bottle. Of cores you what = to make sure it will not leek and only do this with a copper or tin = canteens.=20 The coldest night I have been out on the ground was around -45 and I = have done several -15 and lower. When it this cold never brake a sweat = and do not go to bed wet have dry mocs or socks to put on to go to bed = with.=20 I have never been able to keep a hat on at night when I sleep so I = make my bed so I can have one of the wool blanket that I can pull up = over my head when I sleep. You get to breath warm air and it helps to = keep your body heat in your bed where you want it.=20 As for this putting moisture in your bed as long as you do not pull an = oil cloth over your head with it I have not noticed this to be a problem = and this is with two of use in the same bed doing the same thing. The = only place where I have noticed any moisture is the spot where my breath = has been hitting the blanket and is a spot of only a couple of inches in = diameter and that is all.=20 As for keeping a fire going all night if you have to do this you do = not have enough bedding and it is time to add to your bed roll is what I = think. As a rule I sleep a ways away form the fire pit any way hot = sparks and oil cloth do not go well together.=20 If you have enough under you as in oil cloth and buff hide or hair on = elk or sheep skins and blankets plus your bedding folded under you, you = should not have to build a nest of pine bows and such. Any way I have = only built a nest once and that was on one of my first primitive winter = camp after that I learned how to put my bed roll together so it had = enough insulation built in under me so I can lay it out on top of the = snow and be just fine.=20 The worst thing that can happen is to be camped in deep snow and have = it warm up and start to rain then you have got problems big time. So = long as it stays below freezing and you stay dry you will be fine so = long as you are prepared for the cold that is.=20 I have read of Mountain Men wintering in Cache Valley and here in the = Snake River Valley both these places see a lot of snow and cold well = below 0 so they did not always winter in warmer places.=20 If they could they did get ready for winter so they would have had = enough buff hides to keep them warm at night and they did try to spend = as much time as they could in one place come winter so a tipi or cabin = was built at times but there were times when they had to move camp in = winter and they did not have these luxuries also.=20 When I do my winter camps I think of myself as one doing just this for = on snow shoes and pulling toboggans this is a man on the move and the = way I do my winter camps.=20 Any way Larry if you want to see some pictures from some of our winter = camps there are some on my web site and on this other site a good = article on winter camping for women that also gives some information = that can help any one doing winter camps. Ya might want to take a look. = From what I've seen and heard every ones does it a little different and = you just need to find out what works best for you.=20 See ya on the trail=20 Crazy Cyot=20 http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/id7.htm=20 http://members.tripod.com/womenofthefurtrade/id3.htm=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C3A122.0B1632B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1264" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello to all,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>All have been discussing the use of = buffalo robes=20 as the best for keeping warm in one's winter camp. My queation is this, = where=20 does one obtain a buffalo robe without paying through the nose at some = of the=20 fur traders to get one?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Candi/Twostitch</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3DGazeingCyot@cs.com=20 href=3D"mailto:GazeingCyot@cs.com">GazeingCyot@cs.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Dhist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 = href=3D"mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com">hist_text@lists.xmission.com= </A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, November 02, 2003 = 2:11=20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: MtMan-List: winter = camps and=20 gear</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D2>Larry = <BR>Lanney and=20 Pat had some good ideas. <BR>I do use shared body heat most of the = time myself=20 but I am lucky in the fact that when I do it is with Jill and I do not = have to=20 put up with as much of the snoring that some of the Brothers do at = night.=20 <BR>I have heard of some using the hot rock trick but ya can get the = rocks to=20 hot and burn stuff. Plus Montana is like Idaho and as a rule when ya = want to=20 try and use hot rocks they are usually under a lot of snow. Here is = something=20 I've seen done by a few that seems to work well for them they poor = their water=20 out of their canteen in to a pot and bring it to a boil and poor it = back in to=20 there canteen and tie a rag around it so the cork cannot come out and = use it=20 as a hot water bottle. Of cores you what to make sure it will not leek = and=20 only do this with a copper or tin canteens. <BR>The coldest night I = have been=20 out on the ground was around -45 and I have done several -15 and = lower. When=20 it this cold never brake a sweat and do not go to bed wet have dry = mocs or=20 socks to put on to go to bed with. <BR>I have never been able to keep = a hat on=20 at night when I sleep so I make my bed so I can have one of the wool = blanket=20 that I can pull up over my head when I sleep. You get to breath warm = air and=20 it helps to keep your body heat in your bed where you want it. <BR>As = for this=20 putting moisture in your bed as long as you do not pull an oil cloth = over your=20 head with it I have not noticed this to be a problem and this is with = two of=20 use in the same bed doing the same thing. The only place where I have = noticed=20 any moisture is the spot where my breath has been hitting the blanket = and is a=20 spot of only a couple of inches in diameter and that is all. <BR>As = for=20 keeping a fire going all night if you have to do this you do not have = enough=20 bedding and it is time to add to your bed roll is what I think. As a = rule I=20 sleep a ways away form the fire pit any way hot sparks and oil cloth = do not go=20 well together. <BR>If you have enough under you as in oil cloth and = buff hide=20 or hair on elk or sheep skins and blankets plus your bedding folded = under you,=20 you should not have to build a nest of pine bows and such. Any way I = have only=20 built a nest once and that was on one of my first primitive winter = camp after=20 that I learned how to put my bed roll together so it had enough = insulation=20 built in under me so I can lay it out on top of the snow and be just = fine.=20 <BR>The worst thing that can happen is to be camped in deep snow and = have it=20 warm up and start to rain then you have got problems big time. So long = as it=20 stays below freezing and you stay dry you will be fine so long as you = are=20 prepared for the cold that is. <BR>I have read of Mountain Men = wintering in=20 Cache Valley and here in the Snake River Valley both these places see = a lot of=20 snow and cold well below 0 so they did not always winter in warmer = places.=20 <BR>If they could they did get ready for winter so they would have had = enough=20 buff hides to keep them warm at night and they did try to spend as = much time=20 as they could in one place come winter so a tipi or cabin was built at = times=20 but there were times when they had to move camp in winter and they did = not=20 have these luxuries also. <BR>When I do my winter camps I think of = myself as=20 one doing just this for on snow shoes and pulling toboggans this is a = man on=20 the move and the way I do my winter camps. <BR>Any way Larry if you = want to=20 see some pictures from some of our winter camps there are some on my = web site=20 and on this other site a good article on winter camping for women that = also=20 gives some information that can help any one doing winter camps. Ya = might want=20 to take a look. From what I've seen and heard every ones does it a = little=20 different and you just need to find out what works best for you. = <BR>See ya on=20 the trail <BR>Crazy Cyot <BR><A=20 = href=3D"http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/id7.htm">http://members.trip= od.com/gazingcyot/id7.htm</A>=20 <BR><A=20 = href=3D"http://members.tripod.com/womenofthefurtrade/id3.htm">http://memb= ers.tripod.com/womenofthefurtrade/id3.htm</A>=20 <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C3A122.0B1632B0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 12:47:54 -0500 From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@citynet.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: cold weather camping This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C3A13F.88BAC920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > There comes a time when common sense must prevail over the desire = to prove one is 'authentic'. A tin-teepee with a=20 > heater or a cozy cabin is much more appealing to my old bones than = sleeping like a sled dog. > Frank Good point. Also, the water purifiers, heavy duty First Aid Kits, needed = medications, etc... Being PC is great, but not at the expense of ones = well being or serious injury. Regards, Ad Miller - ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C3A13F.88BAC920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1141" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV>> There comes a time when common sense must = prevail=20 over the desire to prove one is 'authentic'. A tin-teepee with a </DIV> <DIV>> heater or a cozy cabin is much more appealing to my old bones = than=20 sleeping like a sled dog.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>> Frank</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Good point. Also, the water purifiers, heavy = duty First=20 Aid Kits, needed medications, etc... Being PC is great, but not at the = expense=20 of ones well being or serious injury.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Regards,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Ad Miller</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C3A13F.88BAC920-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 12:54:23 -0500 From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@citynet.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: winter camps and gear This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C3A140.70B42960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Hello to all, >All have been discussing the use of buffalo robes as the best for = keeping warm in one's winter camp. My queation is this, where >does one = obtain a buffalo robe without paying through the nose at some of the fur = traders to get one? >Candi/Twostitch I have a SMALL Buff Robe and paid $300 for it.... There are some Buff = farms that will allow you to come shoot a Buff for a price... Not sure = how expensive. Try www.google.com and type in buffalo hunt .. see what = you get. There is one here in WV, just over the mountain from us. = USually though, when you do this, you also want the meat, etc... OR call = and ask if they are selling their robes.=20 Regards, Ad Miller - ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C3A140.70B42960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1141" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>Hello to all,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>All have been discussing the use of = buffalo=20 robes as the best for keeping warm in one's winter camp. My queation is = this,=20 where >does one obtain a buffalo robe without paying through the nose = at some=20 of the fur traders to get one?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>Candi/Twostitch</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have a SMALL Buff Robe and paid $300 = for it....=20 There are some Buff farms that will allow you to come shoot a Buff for a = price... Not sure how expensive. Try <A=20 href=3D"http://www.google.com">www.google.com</A> and type in buffalo = hunt .. see=20 what you get. There is one here in WV, just over the mountain from us. = USually=20 though, when you do this, you also want the meat, etc... OR call and ask = if they=20 are selling their robes. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Regards,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ad Miller</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C3A140.70B42960-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 11:59:15 -0800 From: "Randal Bublitz" <rjbublitz@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: winter camps and gear - ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Wes Housler offers brain tanned buffalo robes at prices lower than most traders offer commercial tanned hides . Does anyone have Wes's contact info.? He's in New Mexico. I bought one from him a few years ago. My first cold weather test with it was a night near Donner Pass, temps down to near 0 dg. , I was in a canvas tent-wrapped in a cow buffalo robe, a whitney 6 pt. blanket and a tarp. I woke up thinking I was at home- honestly- I was warm and cozy. It took me awhile to get my frozen solid boots on though. I'll dig around for any contact info., I'm in the middle of something else now. Shipped my hide was below $650. It is a winter cow, about 5' x 8'. This was a few years ago, so prices may have gone up some. Randy ps-the hide is beautiful - ----- Original Message ----- From: Candi Smith Hello to all, All have been discussing the use of buffalo robes as the best for keeping warm in one's winter camp. My queation is this, where does one obtain a buffalo robe without paying through the nose at some of the fur traders to get one? Candi/Twostitch - ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII <HTML style="FONT-SIZE: x-small; FONT-FAMILY: MS Sans Serif"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV>Wes Housler offers brain tanned buffalo robes at prices lower than most traders offer commercial tanned hides . Does anyone have Wes's contact info.? He's in New Mexico. I bought one from him a few years ago. My first cold weather test with it was a night near Donner Pass, temps down to near 0 dg. , I was in a canvas tent-wrapped in a cow buffalo robe, a whitney 6 pt. blanket and a tarp. I woke up thinking I was at home- honestly- I was warm and cozy. It took me awhile to get my frozen solid boots on though. I'll dig around for any contact info., I'm in the middle of something else now. Shipped my hide was below $650. It is a winter cow, about 5' x 8'. This was a few years ago, so prices may have gone up some. Randy</DIV> <DIV>ps-the hide is beautiful</DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=twostitch@archersminiatures.com href="mailto:twostitch@archersminiatures.com">Candi Smith</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV><FONT size=2> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hello to all,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>All have been discussing the use of buffalo robes as the best for keeping warm in one's winter camp. My queation is this, where does one obtain a buffalo robe without paying through the nose at some of the fur traders to get one?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Candi/Twostitch</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 15:23:28 EST From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: winter camps and gear (Wes Housler) - -------------------------------1067804608 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/2/2003 11:59:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, rjbublitz@earthlink.net writes: Does anyone have Wes's contact info.? He's in New Mexico Here's a link to his online catalog...... Braintanned Buffalo Robes, Tipis, Rawhide & Parfleche: by Wes Housler - -------------------------------1067804608 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML><HEAD> <META charset=3DUTF-8 http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charse= t=3Dutf-8"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1264" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fffff= f"> <DIV> <DIV>In a message dated 11/2/2003 11:59:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, rjbubli= tz@earthlink.net writes:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20= 2px solid"><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif" size=3D2>Does anyone have Wes's cont= act info.? He's in New Mexico</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#000080>Here's a link to h= is online catalog...... <A href=3D"http://www.braintan.com/bison/wes.html">B= raintanned Buffalo Robes, Tipis, Rawhide & Parfleche: by Wes Housler</A>= </FONT></STRONG></DIV></BODY></HTML> - -------------------------------1067804608-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 01:03:47 GMT From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: L&C rifles frank--- since jake and sam hawkens worked for harpers ferry until after 1800 could it be since the hawken is a combination of a 1803 harpers ferry and a english sporting rifle that jake and sam worked on the lewis and clark guns that went west---what is the possibilities of this being true---there is a correspondance from clark to sam in the hawken family records---but it does not discuss the 1803 harpers ferry--- hawk ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 20:24:21 -0500 From: "Ikon" <ikon@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: cold weather camping This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C3A17F.4C9BBFE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now I live down here in good ol Georgia and did a cold weather camp last = December. Okay, stop your laughing, it's not as cold as some of ya'll = but when you're use to these southern temps, it can get cold. Everything went just fine except, yup except, while scouting the area = the evening prior I decided to be a "man" and walk through the stream. Now my wool leggins got wet but I did not loose any heat. The mocs were = another story. The wool stockings around my feet kept them warm until = oh about midnight. =20 Luckily I had a bottle of wild turkey and well, I slept well for the = first two hours, then I woke up, slammed some more turkey, out again. = Woke up around 4 am and slammed the rest and well I was up bright and = early at 5:30. Needles to say getting the mocs on was tough. I like the knee high = style so once they were on even with the wool, the frozen ground kept my = feet numb. Lesson learned. I could have walked up the stream oh about 50 yards an = hop across on a log. Live and learn. Frank ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Frank Fusco=20 To: list AMM=20 Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 12:16 PM Subject: MtMan-List: cold weather camping =20 Those on this list have dedication to authenticity, however one = defines it, ranging from "don't care" to strict observance of what they = believe the RMFT guys did back then. Something not often discussed on this list is the fact that it was = very 'authentic' to die painful, gruesome and horrible deaths from many = things we routinely care for today with modern items. Freezing to death certainly is 'authentic'. As was pointed out, = below certain temperatures, simply being outside requires serious = survival techniques if one expects to wake up again. There comes a time when common sense must prevail over the desire = to prove one is 'authentic'. A tin-teepee with a heater or a cozy cabin = is much more appealing to my old bones than sleeping like a sled dog. Frank - ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C3A17F.4C9BBFE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now I live down here in good ol Georgia = and did a=20 cold weather camp last December. Okay, stop your laughing, it's = not as=20 cold as some of ya'll but when you're use to these southern temps, it = can get=20 cold.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Everything went just fine except, yup = except, while=20 scouting the area the evening prior I decided to be a "man" and walk = through the=20 stream.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Now my wool leggins got wet but I did not loose = any=20 heat. The mocs were another story. The wool stockings around = my feet=20 kept them warm until oh about midnight. </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Luckily I had a bottle of wild turkey and well, = I slept=20 well for the first two hours, then I woke up, slammed some more turkey, = out=20 again. Woke up around 4 am and slammed the rest and well I was up = bright=20 and early at 5:30.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Needles to say getting the mocs on was = tough. I like=20 the knee high style so once they were on even with the wool, the frozen = ground=20 kept my feet numb.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Lesson learned. I could have walked up the = stream oh=20 about 50 yards an hop across on a log.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Live and learn.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Frank</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A href=3D"mailto:Rifleman1776@cox-internet.com"=20 title=3DRifleman1776@cox-internet.com>Frank Fusco</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20 href=3D"mailto:hist_text@xmission.com" = title=3Dhist_text@xmission.com>list AMM</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, November 02, 2003 = 12:16=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> MtMan-List: cold = weather=20 camping</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> =20 <DIV> Those on this list have dedication to = authenticity,=20 however one defines it, ranging from "don't care" to strict observance = of what=20 they believe the RMFT guys did back then.</DIV> <DIV> Something not often discussed on this list is = the fact=20 that it was very 'authentic' to die painful, gruesome and horrible = deaths from=20 many things we routinely care for today with modern items.</DIV> <DIV> Freezing to death certainly is 'authentic'. As = was=20 pointed out, below certain temperatures, simply being outside requires = serious=20 survival techniques if one expects to wake up again.</DIV> <DIV> There comes a time when common sense must = prevail over=20 the desire to prove one is 'authentic'. A tin-teepee with a heater or = a cozy=20 cabin is much more appealing to my old bones than sleeping like a sled = dog.</DIV> <DIV>Frank</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C3A17F.4C9BBFE0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #1259 ******************************** - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.