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hist_text-digest Sunday, September 14 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1240
In this issue:
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Randy's Aussie dogs
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Randy's Aussie dogs
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Sparking of dogs...
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Gourd Horn Saddle Maker
-áááááá MtMan-List: Water Spaniel
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Water Spaniel
-áááááá MtMan-List: Rocky Mountain House
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Water Spaniel
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Water Spaniel
-áááááá MtMan-List: Dogs
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Water Spaniel
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Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 20:06:46 -0400
From: packratt@erols.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Randy's Aussie dogs
Do you mind if I cross post your message to another list? The dog breeding list
I'm on would get a laugh out of it.
Thanks
Le
James and Sue Stone wrote:
> Be sure to consult a knowledgeable source before cross breeding. I
> ended up with what I thought might be an ideal duck dog...Australian
> Shephard and Golden Retriever. I was expecting a dog who would round
> uup ducks and herd them by me on slow days, then retrieve what I shot.
> My first surprised was the dog's color. I swear, if she wasn't moving
> on the marsh, even if you knew exactly where she was, and even if she
> was less than 50 feet away, she would disappear. Talk about natural
> camo! Unfortunately, she neither liked to retrieve nor herd ducks. I
> coulda got rich off that line!
> poor sparks
>
> busterize wrote:
>
> >I too, have an ACD, a red bitch, small, but tough. Wouldn't have any other
> >breed after this one. Surprised but pleased they appear to have landed here
> >so early in this country's history.
> >
> >Geri
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Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 18:35:15 -0600
From: James and Sue Stone <jandsstone@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Randy's Aussie dogs
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Le
Cross post away! Humor is useless unless it's shared.
Sparks
packratt@erols.com wrote:
>Do you mind if I cross post your message to another list? The dog breeding list
>I'm on would get a laugh out of it.
>
>Thanks
>Le
>
>James and Sue Stone wrote:
>
>
>
>>Be sure to consult a knowledgeable source before cross breeding. I
>>ended up with what I thought might be an ideal duck dog...Australian
>>Shephard and Golden Retriever. I was expecting a dog who would round
>>uup ducks and herd them by me on slow days, then retrieve what I shot.
>> My first surprised was the dog's color. I swear, if she wasn't moving
>>on the marsh, even if you knew exactly where she was, and even if she
>>was less than 50 feet away, she would disappear. Talk about natural
>>camo! Unfortunately, she neither liked to retrieve nor herd ducks. I
>>coulda got rich off that line!
>>poor sparks
>>
>>busterize wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I too, have an ACD, a red bitch, small, but tough. Wouldn't have any other
>>>breed after this one. Surprised but pleased they appear to have landed here
>>>so early in this country's history.
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>>>Geri
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Le<br>
Cross post away! Humor is useless unless it's shared.<br>
Sparks<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:packratt@erols.com">packratt@erols.com</a> wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid3F63B116.D3735FEE@erols.com">
<pre wrap="">Do you mind if I cross post your message to another list? The dog breeding list
I'm on would get a laugh out of it.
Thanks
Le
James and Sue Stone wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Be sure to consult a knowledgeable source before cross breeding. I
ended up with what I thought might be an ideal duck dog...Australian
Shephard and Golden Retriever. I was expecting a dog who would round
uup ducks and herd them by me on slow days, then retrieve what I shot.
My first surprised was the dog's color. I swear, if she wasn't moving
on the marsh, even if you knew exactly where she was, and even if she
was less than 50 feet away, she would disappear. Talk about natural
camo! Unfortunately, she neither liked to retrieve nor herd ducks. I
coulda got rich off that line!
poor sparks
busterize wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">I too, have an ACD, a red bitch, small, but tough. Wouldn't have any other
breed after this one. Surprised but pleased they appear to have landed here
so early in this country's history.
Geri
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Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 18:52:24 -0600
From: James and Sue Stone <jandsstone@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Sparking of dogs...
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http://www.akc.org/breeds/recbreeds/amewatsp.cfm
The American Water Spaniel wasn't recognized as an AKC breed until 1940,
because people didn't want to ruin "it's hunting ability." The American
Water Spaniel looks like a cross between cocker spaniel and a curly coat
retriever. AWS are 15-18 at the shoulder and 25 to 45 pounds. They
were bred for cold water retrieving of waterfowl, flushing and
retrieving upland game including rabbits. AWS was the first sporting
breed developed in America.
Sparks
Trivia: One trait the developers wanted in a golden retriever was a
good nose. They including blood hounds in the mix.
Dale Nelson wrote:
> This is just some information that when I read it years ago it stuck,
> mostly because it really blew my mind at the time. I was reading the
> "Journal of a Mountain Man: James Clyman" edited by Linda
> Hasselstrom. Jim is the guy that sewed Jeb Smith's ear back on after
> the grizzly attack. He later left the mountains, and didn't return
> for 15 years, which brings us up to 1844. A little late, but still
> very interesting. James left the east in the spring of 1844, and
> traveled to Oregon, then to California, then raised a party in 1846 to
> return to the states. They started in April of that year and crossed
> the Sierra via the head of the Yuba river, being forced by snow to the
> north until they could force a crossing in soft snow up to 8 feet
> deep. They desended Donnor pass through the snow and over the cliffs
> without loosing any livestock, but all this time both man and beast
> suffered from the cold and weather. Passing what is now Donnor Lake,
> they followed the Truckee river past where Reno now is, and followed
> it until it turned north. From there they cut across heading for the
> Humbolt (Clyman call it the Mary's) river, and when they were crossing
> the sink of the Humbolt, or somewhere close to there they came to some
> hot springs. I'll now quote from Clyman's journal for May 9, 1846.
> " ----------- near sun set we stoped at some holes of Brackish water
> haveing traveled 30 miles today at about 15 miles or half way from
> Waushee [Truckee] river to the first water near Mays. Lake still exist
> a cauldron of Boiling water no stream issues from it [at] present but
> it stands in several pools Boiling and again disappearing some of
> these pools have beautifull clear water Boiling in them and other emit
> Quantites of mud into one of these muddy pools my little water
> spaniel Lucky went poor fellow not knowing that it was Boiling hot
> he deliberately walked in to the caldron to slake his thirst and cool
> his limbs when to his sad disapointment and my sorrow he scalded
> himself allmost insantly to death I felt more for his loss than
> any other animal I ever lost in my life as he had been my constant
> companion in all my wandering since I left Milwawkee and I vainly
> hoped to see him return to his old master in his native village
> --------" That's it, a water spaniel that was with him for
> years, and that is the only mention. That's why I remembered it, all
> the struggles in the snow and everything else, and not once does he
> mention how the dog got through, or if he had to carry him or what
> ever. Is a water spaniel and a cocker spaniel the same thing? It's
> hard to picture a grizzled mountain man with a cocker spaniel -- like
> I said, it blew my mind.
> Dale Nelson
> Roseburg, OR
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<pre wrap=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.akc.org/breeds/recbreeds/amewatsp.cfm">
http://www.akc.org/breeds/recbreeds/amewatsp.cfm</a></pre>
<br>
The American Water Spaniel wasn't recognized as an AKC breed until 1940,
because people didn't want to ruin "it's hunting ability." The American
Water Spaniel looks like a cross between cocker spaniel and a curly coat
retriever. AWS are 15-18 at the shoulder and 25 to 45 pounds. They were
bred for cold water retrieving of waterfowl, flushing and retrieving upland
game including rabbits. AWS was the first sporting breed developed in America.<br>
<br>
Sparks<br>
Trivia: One trait the developers wanted in a golden retriever was a good
nose. They including blood hounds in the mix.<br>
<br>
<br>
Dale Nelson wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">This is just some information that when
I read it years ago it stuck, mostly because it really blew my mind at the
time. I was reading the "Journal of a Mountain Man: James Clyman" edited
by Linda Hasselstrom. Jim is the guy that sewed Jeb Smith's ear back on
after the grizzly attack. He later left the mountains, and didn't return
for 15 years, which brings us up to 1844. A little late, but still very
interesting. James left the east in the spring of 1844, and traveled to
Oregon, then to California, then raised a party in 1846 to return to the
states. They started in April of that year and crossed the Sierra via the
head of the Yuba river, being forced by snow to the north until they could
force a crossing in soft snow up to 8 feet deep. They desended Donnor pass
through the snow and over the cliffs without loosing any livestock, but
all this time both man and beast suffered from the cold and weather. Passing
what is now Donnor Lake, they followed the Truckee river past where Reno
now is, and followed it until it turned north. From there they cut across
heading for the Humbolt (Clyman call it the Mary's) river, and when they
were crossing the sink of the Humbolt, or somewhere close to there they
came to some hot springs. I'll now quote from Clyman's journal for May
9, 1846. </font><font face="Arial" size="2">" ----------- near sun set
we stoped at some holes of Brackish water haveing traveled 30 miles today
at about 15 miles or half way from Waushee [Truckee] river to the first
water near Mays. Lake still exist a cauldron of Boiling water no stream
issues from it [at] present but it stands in several pools Boiling and again
disappearing some of these pools have beautifull clear water Boiling
in them and other emit Quantites of mud into one of these muddy pools
my little water spaniel Lucky went poor fellow not knowing that it was
Boiling hot he deliberately walked in to the caldron to slake his thirst
and cool his limbs when to his sad disapointment and my sorrow he scalded
himself allmost insantly to death I felt more for his loss than any
other animal I ever lost in my life as he had been my constant companion
in all my wandering since I left Milwawkee and I vainly hoped to see him
return to his old master in his native village --------" That's it,
a water spaniel that was with him for years, and that is the only mention.
That's why I remembered it, all the struggles in the snow and everything
else, and not once does he mention how the dog got through, or if he had
to carry him or what ever. Is a water spaniel and a cocker spaniel the
same thing? It's hard to picture a grizzled mountain man with a cocker
spaniel -- like I said, it blew my mind.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Dale Nelson</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Roseburg, OR</font> </div>
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Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 23:51:47 -0600
From: Allen Hall <allenhall@srv.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Gourd Horn Saddle Maker
At 07:13 PM 9/12/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>I have not seen anyone with any help for you and I haven't got the info you
are after. Perhaps you got it off line. I would like to hear how it goes.
Can you keep us updated?
>
>Wynn Ormond
Hi Wynn,
Have you seen Rick Palmer's gourd horn saddle? I contacted Clay off-list
and told him that Rick has one and could maybe send pictures.
Allen
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Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 11:57:31 -0700
From: "busterize" <busterize@oldwest.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Water Spaniel
Dale, Water Spaniels are larger than cockers, and bred for retrieving from
the water. They were popular in England with those hunters shooting wild
fowl.
Don't know when they originated, but wonder if cockers were even considered
a "breed" at the time. Many of the smaller breeds were created for the
convenience of ladies wanting a smaller "lap" dog. For instance, my ACD
weighs 24 pounds, whereas the average ACD can weigh anywhere from 30 to 40
lbs. Both her mom & pap were on the small side and each litter produced by
that bitch were small.
Geri
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Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:16:33 -0600
From: James and Sue Stone <jandsstone@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Water Spaniel
Cockers were originally from the same stock as Water Spaniels according
to an English Water Spaniel Club website. Cockers were originally
developed as a hunting breed specifically for Woodcocks...thus the name
'cocker. Later, cockers were bred to be stupid, small and pretty for
lap dog perfection.*
It is apparent in golden retrievers that almost two distinct breeds are
present. The "show dog" seems, large, blond, long-haired and not
necessarily bright. Hunting/field trial stock goldens are small framed
(to have better bone/muscle mass ratio for longer endurance), smart,
shorter haired, really really fast, , with good noses and "mark" well
("mark" being the skill of watching a bird fall and retrieving it,
rather than putting territorial "markers" in the living room).
*According to Mrs. Stone, eminent historian and knitter.
Sparks and Mrs Stone
busterize wrote:
>Dale, Water Spaniels are larger than cockers, and bred for retrieving from
>the water. They were popular in England with those hunters shooting wild
>fowl.
>
>Don't know when they originated, but wonder if cockers were even considered
>a "breed" at the time. Many of the smaller breeds were created for the
>convenience of ladies wanting a smaller "lap" dog. For instance, my ACD
>weighs 24 pounds, whereas the average ACD can weigh anywhere from 30 to 40
>lbs. Both her mom & pap were on the small side and each litter produced by
>that bitch were small.
>
>Geri
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 15:46:53 -0600 (MDT)
From: beaverboy@sofast.net
Subject: MtMan-List: Rocky Mountain House
Dear List,
Has anyone been to Rocky Mountain House in Alberta, Canada? If so, is
it worth going out of the way to see? What is there?
Thank you
bb
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Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 18:29:24 -0500
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <lanneyratcliff@charter.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Water Spaniel
Mrs. Jones is right about all the Cocker Spaniels that I ever met. More
stupid even than Dachshunds and that's saying something. (Wienie dogs
aren't afraid of a damn thing but their chew toys are smarter than they
are.) Plus, the nastiest dog bite I ever knew about was a Cocker Spaniel
biting the toddler child of the dog's owner, ripping up the child's face in
the process. According to the owner, the damn dog simply snapped and
jumped the baby.....right in the living room in front of everybody. He
should have shot it the day the rabies observation period was up.
Lanney
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Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Water Spaniel
> Cockers were originally from the same stock as Water Spaniels according
> to an English Water Spaniel Club website. Cockers were originally
> developed as a hunting breed specifically for Woodcocks...thus the name
> 'cocker. Later, cockers were bred to be stupid, small and pretty for
> lap dog perfection.*
>
> It is apparent in golden retrievers that almost two distinct breeds are
> present. The "show dog" seems, large, blond, long-haired and not
> necessarily bright. Hunting/field trial stock goldens are small framed
> (to have better bone/muscle mass ratio for longer endurance), smart,
> shorter haired, really really fast, , with good noses and "mark" well
> ("mark" being the skill of watching a bird fall and retrieving it,
> rather than putting territorial "markers" in the living room).
>
> *According to Mrs. Stone, eminent historian and knitter.
>
> Sparks and Mrs Stone
>
> busterize wrote:
>
> >Dale, Water Spaniels are larger than cockers, and bred for retrieving
from
> >the water. They were popular in England with those hunters shooting wild
> >fowl.
> >
> >Don't know when they originated, but wonder if cockers were even
considered
> >a "breed" at the time. Many of the smaller breeds were created for the
> >convenience of ladies wanting a smaller "lap" dog. For instance, my ACD
> >weighs 24 pounds, whereas the average ACD can weigh anywhere from 30 to
40
> >lbs. Both her mom & pap were on the small side and each litter produced
by
> >that bitch were small.
> >
> >Geri
> >
> >
> >
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Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 21:20:27 -0600
From: James and Sue Stone <jandsstone@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Water Spaniel
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Now Now Lanney,
Let's not be too hard on the Dachshunds. After all, they were bred as
'badger dogs.' For a dog to go headlong into a badger hole after the
critter he HAS to have those two traits...fearless and stupid always
served him well!
Sparks
Lanney Ratcliff wrote:
>Mrs. Jones is right about all the Cocker Spaniels that I ever met. More
>stupid even than Dachshunds and that's saying something. (Wienie dogs
>aren't afraid of a damn thing but their chew toys are smarter than they
>are.) Plus, the nastiest dog bite I ever knew about was a Cocker Spaniel
>biting the toddler child of the dog's owner, ripping up the child's face in
>the process. According to the owner, the damn dog simply snapped and
>jumped the baby.....right in the living room in front of everybody. He
>should have shot it the day the rabies observation period was up.
>Lanney
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "James and Sue Stone" <jandsstone@earthlink.net>
>To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
>Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 2:16 PM
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Water Spaniel
>
>
>
>
>>Cockers were originally from the same stock as Water Spaniels according
>>to an English Water Spaniel Club website. Cockers were originally
>>developed as a hunting breed specifically for Woodcocks...thus the name
>>'cocker. Later, cockers were bred to be stupid, small and pretty for
>>lap dog perfection.*
>>
>>It is apparent in golden retrievers that almost two distinct breeds are
>>present. The "show dog" seems, large, blond, long-haired and not
>>necessarily bright. Hunting/field trial stock goldens are small framed
>>(to have better bone/muscle mass ratio for longer endurance), smart,
>>shorter haired, really really fast, , with good noses and "mark" well
>>("mark" being the skill of watching a bird fall and retrieving it,
>>rather than putting territorial "markers" in the living room).
>>
>>*According to Mrs. Stone, eminent historian and knitter.
>>
>>Sparks and Mrs Stone
>>
>>busterize wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Dale, Water Spaniels are larger than cockers, and bred for retrieving
>>>
>>>
>from
>
>
>>>the water. They were popular in England with those hunters shooting wild
>>>fowl.
>>>
>>>Don't know when they originated, but wonder if cockers were even
>>>
>>>
>considered
>
>
>>>a "breed" at the time. Many of the smaller breeds were created for the
>>>convenience of ladies wanting a smaller "lap" dog. For instance, my ACD
>>>weighs 24 pounds, whereas the average ACD can weigh anywhere from 30 to
>>>
>>>
>40
>
>
>>>lbs. Both her mom & pap were on the small side and each litter produced
>>>
>>>
>by
>
>
>>>that bitch were small.
>>>
>>>Geri
>>>
>>>
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Now Now Lanney,<br>
Let's not be too hard on the Dachshunds. After all, they were bred as 'badger
dogs.' For a dog to go headlong into a badger hole after the critter he
HAS to have those two traits...fearless and stupid always served him well!<br>
Sparks<br>
<br>
Lanney Ratcliff wrote:<br>
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cite="mid001e01c37b18$086f76a0$6a44be42@D39X9B11">
<pre wrap="">Mrs. Jones is right about all the Cocker Spaniels that I ever met. More
stupid even than Dachshunds and that's saying something. (Wienie dogs
aren't afraid of a damn thing but their chew toys are smarter than they
are.) Plus, the nastiest dog bite I ever knew about was a Cocker Spaniel
biting the toddler child of the dog's owner, ripping up the child's face in
the process. According to the owner, the damn dog simply snapped and
jumped the baby.....right in the living room in front of everybody. He
should have shot it the day the rabies observation period was up.
Lanney
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<pre wrap="">Cockers were originally from the same stock as Water Spaniels according
to an English Water Spaniel Club website. Cockers were originally
developed as a hunting breed specifically for Woodcocks...thus the name
'cocker. Later, cockers were bred to be stupid, small and pretty for
lap dog perfection.*
It is apparent in golden retrievers that almost two distinct breeds are
present. The "show dog" seems, large, blond, long-haired and not
necessarily bright. Hunting/field trial stock goldens are small framed
(to have better bone/muscle mass ratio for longer endurance), smart,
shorter haired, really really fast, , with good noses and "mark" well
("mark" being the skill of watching a bird fall and retrieving it,
rather than putting territorial "markers" in the living room).
*According to Mrs. Stone, eminent historian and knitter.
Sparks and Mrs Stone
busterize wrote:
</pre>
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<pre wrap="">Dale, Water Spaniels are larger than cockers, and bred for retrieving
</pre>
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<pre wrap="">the water. They were popular in England with those hunters shooting wild
fowl.
Don't know when they originated, but wonder if cockers were even
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<pre wrap="">a "breed" at the time. Many of the smaller breeds were created for the
convenience of ladies wanting a smaller "lap" dog. For instance, my ACD
weighs 24 pounds, whereas the average ACD can weigh anywhere from 30 to
</pre>
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</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->40
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<pre wrap="">lbs. Both her mom & pap were on the small side and each litter produced
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Geri
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Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 21:44:25 -0600
From: James and Sue Stone <jandsstone@earthlink.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Dogs
Don't get me wrong. I love dogs.
I also have my unabashed preferrence for larger sporting dogs.
particularly retrievers, setters, stock dogs, and other such sporting
and working dogs. I think it's cool some people bred dogs for hunting
badgers, woodcocks, hunting people (chow or spitz, can't remember which
but it is a Chinese dog), black-and-tan coon dogs, bloodhounds,
wolfhounds, sled dogs and horse companion dogs (dalmations, formerly
called "coach dogs" that kept the horses company in the fire station
stables). Personally, I don't care much for lap dogs, but lots of
people like them as part of the family. I even have one that came with
the marriage and joined right in w/ my three goldens...some sort of
black, curley, wire-haired, sawed-off terrier cross. I share my peach
slices, bannana pieces and cornbread equally between them. I even work
with people who special breed long-haired chiwawas (definitely
mispelled)--probably not even knowing that the central Americans raised
them for food.
A dog is a man's (read human's) best friend.
As early 20th century Philosopher Groucho Marx said "Outside of a dog, a
book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read."
Those of you who don't understand that twist, you are not alone. My
chiropractor didn't get it, but his receptionist did.
Sparks
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Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 22:47:55 -0500
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <lanneyratcliff@charter.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Water Spaniel
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Yeah, I know, badger hounds had to be fearless. My Dachshund was a good =
little dog about 99% of the time and was afraid of nothing at all 100% =
of the time....but she was one stupid little dog. Looked like a tiny, =
short-legged Rotweiler and had a similar personality. Being fearless =
and all, she wouldn't take any crap from anybody or anything. One of my =
fondest memories of that little knot-head was the sight of her (at about =
7 weeks old) clamping down on an ear and hanging on to my 75 lb =
oversized Boxer who was bullying her and making him howl like a broke =
d.... er, well, you how he howled. They got along famously after that =
little incident. There are lots of stories about my dogs but they are =
best told across a campfire with a jug of a strong adult beverage being =
passed.
Lanney
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From: James and Sue Stone=20
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Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Water Spaniel
Now Now Lanney,
Let's not be too hard on the Dachshunds. After all, they were bred as =
'badger dogs.' For a dog to go headlong into a badger hole after the =
critter he HAS to have those two traits...fearless and stupid always =
served him well!
Sparks
Lanney Ratcliff wrote:
Mrs. Jones is right about all the Cocker Spaniels that I ever met. =
More
stupid even than Dachshunds and that's saying something. (Wienie dogs
aren't afraid of a damn thing but their chew toys are smarter than they
are.) Plus, the nastiest dog bite I ever knew about was a Cocker =
Spaniel
biting the toddler child of the dog's owner, ripping up the child's face =
in
the process. According to the owner, the damn dog simply snapped and
jumped the baby.....right in the living room in front of everybody. He
should have shot it the day the rabies observation period was up.
Lanney
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From: "James and Sue Stone" <jandsstone@earthlink.net>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Water Spaniel
Cockers were originally from the same stock as Water Spaniels =
according
to an English Water Spaniel Club website. Cockers were originally
developed as a hunting breed specifically for Woodcocks...thus the name
'cocker. Later, cockers were bred to be stupid, small and pretty for
lap dog perfection.*
It is apparent in golden retrievers that almost two distinct breeds are
present. The "show dog" seems, large, blond, long-haired and not
necessarily bright. Hunting/field trial stock goldens are small framed
(to have better bone/muscle mass ratio for longer endurance), smart,
shorter haired, really really fast, , with good noses and "mark" well
("mark" being the skill of watching a bird fall and retrieving it,
rather than putting territorial "markers" in the living room).
*According to Mrs. Stone, eminent historian and knitter.
Sparks and Mrs Stone
busterize wrote:
Dale, Water Spaniels are larger than cockers, and bred for =
retrieving
from
the water. They were popular in England with those hunters shooting =
wild
fowl.
Don't know when they originated, but wonder if cockers were even
considered
a "breed" at the time. Many of the smaller breeds were created for the
convenience of ladies wanting a smaller "lap" dog. For instance, my ACD
weighs 24 pounds, whereas the average ACD can weigh anywhere from 30 to
40
lbs. Both her mom & pap were on the small side and each litter =
produced
by
that bitch were small.
Geri
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<DIV><BR></DIV>Now Now Lanney,<BR>Let's not be too hard on the =
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After all, they were bred as 'badger dogs.' For a dog to =
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traits...fearless and stupid always served him =
well!<BR>Sparks<BR><BR>Lanney=20
Ratcliff wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3Dmid001e01c37b18$086f76a0$6a44be42@D39X9B11 =
type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">Mrs. Jones is right about all the Cocker =
Spaniels that I ever met. More
stupid even than Dachshunds and that's saying something. (Wienie dogs
aren't afraid of a damn thing but their chew toys are smarter than they
are.) Plus, the nastiest dog bite I ever knew about was a Cocker =
Spaniel
biting the toddler child of the dog's owner, ripping up the child's face =
in
the process. According to the owner, the damn dog simply snapped and
jumped the baby.....right in the living room in front of everybody. He
should have shot it the day the rabies observation period was up.
Lanney
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href=3D"mailto:jandsstone@earthlink.net"><jandsstone@earthlink.net>=
</A>
To: <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E =
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.com></A>
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Water Spaniel
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">Cockers were originally =
from the same stock as Water Spaniels according
to an English Water Spaniel Club website. Cockers were originally
developed as a hunting breed specifically for Woodcocks...thus the name
'cocker. Later, cockers were bred to be stupid, small and pretty for
lap dog perfection.*
It is apparent in golden retrievers that almost two distinct breeds are
present. The "show dog" seems, large, blond, long-haired and not
necessarily bright. Hunting/field trial stock goldens are small framed
(to have better bone/muscle mass ratio for longer endurance), smart,
shorter haired, really really fast, , with good noses and "mark" well
("mark" being the skill of watching a bird fall and retrieving it,
rather than putting territorial "markers" in the living room).
*According to Mrs. Stone, eminent historian and knitter.
Sparks and Mrs Stone
busterize wrote:
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">Dale, Water Spaniels are =
larger than cockers, and bred for retrieving
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D""><!---->from
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<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">the water. They were =
popular in England with those hunters shooting wild
fowl.
Don't know when they originated, but wonder if cockers were even
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D""><!---->considered
</PRE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">a "breed" at the time. =
Many of the smaller breeds were created for the
convenience of ladies wanting a smaller "lap" dog. For instance, my ACD
weighs 24 pounds, whereas the average ACD can weigh anywhere from 30 to
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D""><!---->40
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pap were on the small side and each litter produced
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Geri
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