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Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1233
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hist_text-digest Sunday, September 7 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1233
In this issue:
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Chiggers!
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Chiggers!
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Chiggers!
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Chiggers!
-áááááá MtMan-List: rifles
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Saddle Bags
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: was Saddle Bags now Tapaderos
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Chiggers!
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Chiggers!
-áááááá MtMan-List: 2003 Fur Trade Symposium
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Chiggers!
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: rifles
-áááááá MtMan-List: Pigeon Free Work Area?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Pigeon Free Work Area?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Pigeon Free Work Area?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Pigeon Free Work Area?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Pigeon Free Work Area?
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Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 21:44:24 -0400
From: "Double Edge Forge" <deforge1@bright.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Chiggers!
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Crazy.
Gotta agree with ye, Sir.. I am of the belief that a grizz or a passel =
of pissed Blackfoot were childs play compared to the various wee =
critters that can bedevil a man and drive an animal insane here..
D
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Dennis=20
I think that is another reason all them men from down south and back =
east headed out west for the Shining Mountains and didn't look back was =
to get shed of all them bitin, stingin and chewin no seeums. At least =
with Grizz and Blackfeet ya can see what ya got to contend with. (G)=20
Crazy
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Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 21:59:32 -0500
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <lanneyratcliff@charter.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Chiggers!
Allen
One thing.....the best thing..... to learn is to avoid their preferred
habitat......mainly tall grass and/or weeds, especially when it's about
waist high. The little varmints crawl up and leap off on you as you brush
past them, much like their cousins, the ticks do. If high grass can't be
avoided protect your skin from attack by wearing shoes with tall socks.
Wear long sleeved shirts & keep you shirt tail tucked in If you are in a
particularly infested region dust your feet and lower legs, waist band and
shirt cuffs with sulfur flour (or better, a spray repellent with as much
DEET as you can tolerate). However, short grass can also be thick with the
little sob's so avoid sitting directly on the ground if possible. If you're
not sure if there are lots of chiggers present suspend a piece of black
paper the weeds and inspect it in good light. You will see the little
critters.......they're red and vanishingly small. Look closely for
movement. If you suspect you have been dosed take a hot shower or bath as
quickly as possible using strong soap. Most remedies that are used after
exposure have limited effect on the chiggers if you wait too long. Chiggers
search for a spot to attack and that might take a while. Like I said the
best way to avoid trouble is to keep out of tall grass and use an insect
repellent with the highest DEET percentage as possible. However, strong
DEET products can bother some people so follow the directions found on the
package. I have been told many time to dab grease on the bumps to
suffocate the critters but I've never had much luck doing that. Scratching
can lead to skin problems so do you best to avoid doing that.......rubbing
is better.
good luck
Lanney in Texas.......chigger country
click here for more informed data and some really scary close-up photos
http://insects.tamu.edu/extension/bulletins/L-1223.html
http://lancaster.unl.edu/enviro/pest/factsheets/008-96.htm
http://www.conservation.state.mo.us/nathis/arthopo/chiggers/
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From: "Allen Hall" <allenhall@srv.net>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 11:42 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: Chiggers!
> Hello the Camp,
>
> I'm interested in hearing how you that live in chigger country deal with
the
> bites of them nasty little critters.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Allen, in Fort Hall country
>
>
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Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 23:50:09 -0400
From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@citynet.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Chiggers!
One thing NOT to do is to use the tick anf flea collars that you use on your
dog and cats. They are toxic to humans with extended exposure. When I was at
Camp Lejeune, NC in the 70s, we had some Marines use them. Had to medevac
them to the hospital. Sometimes pyrethrin sprays will work.... and the ads
say DEEP WOODS OFF will work at times. Also, try wearing Panty Hose... the
mesh is too small for chiggers and ticks to get thru. Really... it works.
Learned it from an old USMC Gunny after I was eaten alive one time in the
field. He had nary a bite... showed me his secret...
Also... at
http://www.shoppalstores.com/matalin/index.cfm/fa/subcategories.main/parentc
at/4239/subcatid/9288 , they sell a DEET Buster inscet repellent. Not sure
if it works on ticks. It is all herbal with no nasty chemicals, etc... in
it. OK... I'll admit it... this is a commercial ad... my wife makes the
stuff, and we sell a TON of it at the various Voos and reenactments. We will
be at the NRLHF EPR in Ohio at the end of this month. Look us up :)
Regards,
Ad
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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 00:11:46 EDT
From: SWcushing@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Chiggers!
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In a message dated 9/6/2003 8:50:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
admiller@citynet.net writes:
> Also, try wearing Panty Hose... the
> mesh is too small for chiggers and ticks to get thru.
Yeah right..... Ad. A guy could git shot in my neighborhood wearin
pantyhose....
Magpie
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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 05:06:26 -0700
From: Rick Guglielmi <rickg@oregontrail.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: rifles
Hello to the camp, I'm coming in slow and easy looking for some information
to help me find the correct path .
I have basicly a 3 part question concering rifles of the 1800-1840
period. I am looking to purchase a new rifle of the period and thought it
best to do some research before I make the commitment both in dollars and
rilfe style.
From what I have been reading it appears that starting around 1822 or so
that trade rifles were fairly common with the trapping brigades in the
west, with the Lancaster or american rifle and the English rifle being the
most common. Most of my information cmae from Hanson's "The Hawken Rifle:
it's place in History. Several other sources I read appeared to have
stated the same information as Hanson. Any thought on these trade rifles,
I am looking for the earlier style which is the reason I keyed on these two
types. What about rifles carried west by the induvidual
trapper/mountaineer, was the Lancaster style fairly common, how about
Southern , iron mounted types.
Ok, now for part two: I am a rather small man, 5'9". 130 lbs after a big
meal. I try to spend most of my time forked over the back of a mule or if
I have to a horse. From what I gather most of the trade rifles were made
with barrel lengths of between 40"-44". If I have a rifle made I was
thinking of haveing the barrel shortened to be more convienant for me while
mounted. My idea is to have it look as if it had been converted from its
original longer barrel length by a gunsmith. Is there any documentation on
this being done, I have seen a few references to rifles with barrels
shortened but most were of later Hawkins.
And finally, if I do go with a shorter barrel, is there a point wre it will
start to affect the accuracy of the rifle, ie: 30", 32",34".
I look forward to hearing your comments. By the way the question on saddle
bags is a one that is long overdue. Since I do spend most of my time
mounted I have been also searching for the right type of gear.
Rick
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 08:20:12 -0600
From: Ole Jensen <olebjensen@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Saddle Bags
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Crazy/ Randy
The best I can find is the Bag attatched to the Mochila as shown in Man made
Mobile, this method was used by the pony express. The European Saddle would
not accomidate the cowboy style saddle bag. The Tapadero was used by Mexican
Dragons in 1803 as seen on page 16 of Man made mobile.
Ole
Hi Crazy, There is some saddle bags in Nuemans Encyclopedia of the Rev War.
Proly not much different through the ages. Randy
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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Saddle Bags
Todd
Ya brought up some good Ideas can you or any one else point me to some where
I could get some info Military saddle bags? I have a catalog from the
American Military Saddle Company out of California. The earliest they offer
saddle bags for is 1858 before that date they only offer pommel Holsters and
shoe pouch and Valises. This makes me wonder if they used saddle bags before
this. Granted a catalog ain't much of a resource to document anything. So if
someone could point me in the right direction I'd much appreciate it.
Crazy Cyot
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The best I can find is the Bag attatched to the Mochila as shown in Man mad=
e Mobile, this method was used by the pony express. The European Saddle woul=
d not accomidate the cowboy style saddle bag. The Tapadero was used by Mexic=
an Dragons in 1803 as seen on page 16 of Man made mobile. <BR>
Ole<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D"2">Hi Crazy, There is some saddle bags in Nue=
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<B>Subject:</B> Re: MtMan-List: Saddle Bags<BR>
<BR>
<FONT SIZE=3D"2">Todd <BR>
Ya brought up some good Ideas can you or any one else point me to some wher=
e I could get some info Military saddle bags? I have a catalog from the Amer=
ican Military Saddle Company out of California. The earliest they offer sadd=
le bags for is 1858 before that date they only offer pommel Holsters and sho=
e pouch and Valises. This makes me wonder if they used saddle bags before th=
is. Granted a catalog ain't much of a resource to document anything. So if s=
omeone could point me in the right direction I'd much appreciate it. <BR>
Crazy Cyot <BR>
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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 09:30:19 -0700
From: dnelson <dnelson@wizzards.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: was Saddle Bags now Tapaderos
They Saddled the West page 3 shows a "Mexican-Santa Fe Type, Skirted,
ca. 1800 saddle. I suppose I would say it has hooded stirrups, not
taps, on account of to me taps have the long leather what ever you
call'em things hanging down. This just covers the toe, there is nothing
extra. Again picture upon request. On page 8 the pony express saddle
has taps that look like what I know taps to look like. It's dated
1860. The next Taps are on page 20 and it's a Texas saddle ca. 1870,
and they aren't as large as the California ones that I'm familiar with.
The early Mexico-California saddle on page 25 has big round things that
cover the side of the stirrups, but no toe protection from the looks of
it. Page 54 has a California saddle ca. 1895 that sports taps like I've
seen so often. And the 1866 McClellan army saddle of 1866 has hooded
stirrups. From what I see in this book, it looks like the closer you
get to 1900 the more leather tapaderos used up and the fancier they got.
Dale Nelson
Roseburg, OR
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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 12:35:08 -0400
From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@citynet.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Chiggers!
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<LOL> I know what you mean... BUT... as my Daddy told me... if it's =
stupid, and it works... it's not stuppid... *grins* Just gotta be =
careful who sees you wearing them... ;^)
Ad
Also, try wearing Panty Hose... the
mesh is too small for chiggers and ticks to get thru.
Yeah right..... Ad. A guy could git shot in my neighborhood wearin =
pantyhose....
Magpie
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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 11:41:47 -0400
From: hawknest4@juno.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Chiggers!
ad wife stuff works I got some for my wife at the alifi last year and she
just got around to using it after we moved back to ark---
hawk
On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 23:50:09 -0400 "Addison Miller" <admiller@citynet.net>
writes:
> One thing NOT to do is to use the tick anf flea collars that you use
> on your
> dog and cats. They are toxic to humans with extended exposure. When
> I was at
> Camp Lejeune, NC in the 70s, we had some Marines use them. Had to
> medevac
> them to the hospital. Sometimes pyrethrin sprays will work.... and
> the ads
> say DEEP WOODS OFF will work at times. Also, try wearing Panty
> Hose... the
> mesh is too small for chiggers and ticks to get thru. Really... it
> works.
> Learned it from an old USMC Gunny after I was eaten alive one time
> in the
> field. He had nary a bite... showed me his secret...
>
> Also... at
>
http://www.shoppalstores.com/matalin/index.cfm/fa/subcategories.main/pare
ntc
> at/4239/subcatid/9288 , they sell a DEET Buster inscet repellent.
> Not sure
> if it works on ticks. It is all herbal with no nasty chemicals,
> etc... in
> it. OK... I'll admit it... this is a commercial ad... my wife makes
> the
> stuff, and we sell a TON of it at the various Voos and reenactments.
> We will
> be at the NRLHF EPR in Ohio at the end of this month. Look us up :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Ad
>
>
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Eureka Springs Ark 72632 phone: 1-479-363-9495
e-mail: hawknest4@juno.com web site:
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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 11:54:36 -0600 (MDT)
From: beaverboy@sofast.net
Subject: MtMan-List: 2003 Fur Trade Symposium
Dear List,
The 2003 Fur Trade Symposium is only two weeks away! You still have
time to come to it and see historical Fort Benton, Montana.
Mike will be there with his keelboat. You can paddle right from the
Fort down the White Cliffs section of the Upper Missouri! Or you can
float from Carter or Morony Dam to Fort Benton. They rent everything
there in Fort Benton so you wouldn't have to haul your canoe all this
way. Sounds like some cooler fall weather is coming so maybe we will be
able to have campfires again soon.
If you make it be sure to look me up, I'll be one of the keelboat
swabbies. Beaverboy
http://www.fortbenton.com/symposium/registration.htm
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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 11:30:07 -0700
From: "roger lahti" <amm1719@charter.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Chiggers!
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Magpie,
Your not supposed to wear the skirt and heels too. Geez!
Capt. L
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Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Chiggers!
In a message dated 9/6/2003 8:50:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, =
admiller@citynet.net writes:
Also, try wearing Panty Hose... the
mesh is too small for chiggers and ticks to get thru.
Yeah right..... Ad. A guy could git shot in my neighborhood wearin =
pantyhose....
Magpie
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Magpie,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Your not supposed to wear the skirt and =
heels too.=20
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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 14:16:17 -0700
From: "roger lahti" <amm1719@charter.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rifles
> From what I have been reading it appears that starting around 1822 or so
> that trade rifles were fairly common with the trapping brigades in the
> west, with the Lancaster or american rifle and the English rifle being the
> most common.
Rick,
Not that I am the list expert but I'll say your on the right track.
Lancaster's, JJ Henrys, NW trade guns, anything else that was in use by the
common man prior to your time frame are ok. Full stock and flint at that
time. Many young men signed on for the fur trade who did not have a rifle
and were issued or sold a rifle from company stock as needed.
What about rifles carried west by the individual
> trapper/mountaineer, was the Lancaster style fairly common, how about
> Southern , iron mounted types.
I'm not sure but what the "Southern Mt. Rifle" you mention isn't a later
rifle but I'm thinking there were more hired hands than experienced hunters
going west around then. A trade rifle as Hanson and others mention would be
on the mark in any case. A late 1700's long gun would too and it fits an
earlier time period if your a cross dresser. <G>
From what I gather most of the trade rifles were made
> with barrel lengths of between 40"-44". If I have a rifle made I was
> thinking of having the barrel shortened to be more convenient for me while
> mounted. My idea is to have it look as if it had been converted from its
> original longer barrel length by a gunsmith.
I don't know that that was done or felt necessary by mounted men or
vertically challenged men. The long rifle was carried through eastern forest
by Boone and his contemporaries so why not a relatively long trade rifle
going west? Gun length did shorten towards the end of the Rendezvous period
into the pioneer and miner eras but actually not all that much.
Is there any documentation on
> this being done, I have seen a few references to rifles with barrels
> shortened but most were of later Hawkins.
I think you answered your own question there.
>
> And finally, if I do go with a shorter barrel, is there a point where it
will
> start to affect the accuracy of the rifle, ie: 30", 32",34".
Not in a practical sense. Rifles as short as 25" can be very accurate. Just
not very pretty or authentic to the period. There is a bit of loss of power
from the powder and you loose off hand stability with a shorter gun and a
shorter sight radius. I've got a 32" half stock flinter that I just moved
the rear sight forward about 6" so I could see both sights clear along with
the target and now there ain't much distance between the front and rear.
That's a consideration if you like traditional sights and have slowly ageing
eyes like the rest of us.
Hope this was of some help Rick. Kinda quiet on the list at the moment.
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 16:24:43 -0600 (MDT)
From: beaverboy@sofast.net
Subject: MtMan-List: Pigeon Free Work Area?
Dear List,
I know this is kind of off of the MM subject(though it does involve
trapping) but I need help keeping pigeons off of our work shop.
I've trapped over 25 up there so far in a bobbin trap which is fine and
dandy but I want to keep them from roosting there in the first place.
Does anyone know how to keep pigeons from roosting where they're not
wanted? We have two plastic owls up there now and they roost next to
them!
We can't use pointy wire like they do on statues as it is a 20,000 square
foot roof. I can't shoot them on the roof like I do inside the shop as I
don't think it is a good idea to be on a rooftop,in town, with a gun
during Code Orange! I heard rubber snakes will scare them away? Any ideas
would be greatly appreciated.
Between the 25+ I've trapped on the roof and the countless ones I've
shot inside the shop I should be called Pigeonboy!
Thanks a ton in advance.
PS And to any pigeon lovers out there, I'm sorry but after you crawl
around a pigeon infested area and see what a disgusting mess they make,
you kind of loose your love for them. And don't tell me to eat them, I
have when I was younger, but after crawling around in thier piles of crap
the last thing you think about is cooking one!
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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 17:52:15 -0500
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <lanneyratcliff@charter.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pigeon Free Work Area?
That's easy, Pigeon Boy, locate all the Cajuns in your area, tell 'em about
all those pigeons and tell 'em that the season is closed.
Lanney
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Subject: MtMan-List: Pigeon Free Work Area?
> Dear List,
> I know this is kind of off of the MM subject(though it does involve
> trapping) but I need help keeping pigeons off of our work shop.
> I've trapped over 25 up there so far in a bobbin trap which is fine and
> dandy but I want to keep them from roosting there in the first place.
> Does anyone know how to keep pigeons from roosting where they're not
> wanted? We have two plastic owls up there now and they roost next to
> them!
> We can't use pointy wire like they do on statues as it is a 20,000 square
> foot roof. I can't shoot them on the roof like I do inside the shop as I
> don't think it is a good idea to be on a rooftop,in town, with a gun
> during Code Orange! I heard rubber snakes will scare them away? Any ideas
> would be greatly appreciated.
> Between the 25+ I've trapped on the roof and the countless ones I've
> shot inside the shop I should be called Pigeonboy!
> Thanks a ton in advance.
>
> PS And to any pigeon lovers out there, I'm sorry but after you crawl
> around a pigeon infested area and see what a disgusting mess they make,
> you kind of loose your love for them. And don't tell me to eat them, I
> have when I was younger, but after crawling around in thier piles of crap
> the last thing you think about is cooking one!
>
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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 16:10:45 -0700
From: dnelson <dnelson@wizzards.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pigeon Free Work Area?
How about feeding them decon. The mice die. Dale Nelson
beaverboy@sofast.net wrote:
> Dear List,
> I know this is kind of off of the MM subject(though it does involve
> trapping) but I need help keeping pigeons off of our work shop.
> I've trapped over 25 up there so far in a bobbin trap which is fine and
> dandy but I want to keep them from roosting there in the first place.
> Does anyone know how to keep pigeons from roosting where they're not
> wanted? We have two plastic owls up there now and they roost next to
> them!
> We can't use pointy wire like they do on statues as it is a 20,000 square
> foot roof. I can't shoot them on the roof like I do inside the shop as I
> don't think it is a good idea to be on a rooftop,in town, with a gun
> during Code Orange! I heard rubber snakes will scare them away? Any ideas
> would be greatly appreciated.
> Between the 25+ I've trapped on the roof and the countless ones I've
> shot inside the shop I should be called Pigeonboy!
> Thanks a ton in advance.
>
> PS And to any pigeon lovers out there, I'm sorry but after you crawl
> around a pigeon infested area and see what a disgusting mess they make,
> you kind of loose your love for them. And don't tell me to eat them, I
> have when I was younger, but after crawling around in thier piles of crap
> the last thing you think about is cooking one!
>
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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 17:20:56 -0600 (MDT)
From: beaverboy@sofast.net
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pigeon Free Work Area?
I forgot to mention that I also tried poison. They ate some but also got
to were they ate only the crack corn and left the poison. Even the green
tainted poison grain was left and all the corn was gone.
I'm trying to keep them from landing in the first place.
> How about feeding them decon. The mice die. Dale Nelson
>
> beaverboy@sofast.net wrote:
>
>> Dear List,
>> I know this is kind of off of the MM subject(though it does involve
>> trapping) but I need help keeping pigeons off of our work shop.
>> I've trapped over 25 up there so far in a bobbin trap which is fine
>> and
>> dandy but I want to keep them from roosting there in the first place.
>> Does anyone know how to keep pigeons from roosting where they're not
>> wanted? We have two plastic owls up there now and they roost next to
>> them!
>> We can't use pointy wire like they do on statues as it is a 20,000
>> square
>> foot roof. I can't shoot them on the roof like I do inside the shop as I
>> don't think it is a good idea to be on a rooftop,in town, with a gun
>> during Code Orange! I heard rubber snakes will scare them away? Any
>> ideas
>> would be greatly appreciated.
>> Between the 25+ I've trapped on the roof and the countless ones I've
>> shot inside the shop I should be called Pigeonboy!
>> Thanks a ton in advance.
>>
>> PS And to any pigeon lovers out there, I'm sorry but after you crawl
>> around a pigeon infested area and see what a disgusting mess they make,
>> you kind of loose your love for them. And don't tell me to eat them, I
>> have when I was younger, but after crawling around in thier piles of
>> crap
>> the last thing you think about is cooking one!
>>
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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 17:22:58 -0600 (MDT)
From: beaverboy@sofast.net
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pigeon Free Work Area?
Thats a good one! No Cajuns in our country, maybe I'll tell the Hutterites
that!
> That's easy, Pigeon Boy, locate all the Cajuns in your area, tell 'em
> about
> all those pigeons and tell 'em that the season is closed.
> Lanney
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <beaverboy@sofast.net>
> To: <hist_text@xmission.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 5:24 PM
> Subject: MtMan-List: Pigeon Free Work Area?
>
>
>> Dear List,
>> I know this is kind of off of the MM subject(though it does involve
>> trapping) but I need help keeping pigeons off of our work shop.
>> I've trapped over 25 up there so far in a bobbin trap which is fine
>> and
>> dandy but I want to keep them from roosting there in the first place.
>> Does anyone know how to keep pigeons from roosting where they're not
>> wanted? We have two plastic owls up there now and they roost next to
>> them!
>> We can't use pointy wire like they do on statues as it is a 20,000
>> square
>> foot roof. I can't shoot them on the roof like I do inside the shop as I
>> don't think it is a good idea to be on a rooftop,in town, with a gun
>> during Code Orange! I heard rubber snakes will scare them away? Any
>> ideas
>> would be greatly appreciated.
>> Between the 25+ I've trapped on the roof and the countless ones I've
>> shot inside the shop I should be called Pigeonboy!
>> Thanks a ton in advance.
>>
>> PS And to any pigeon lovers out there, I'm sorry but after you crawl
>> around a pigeon infested area and see what a disgusting mess they make,
>> you kind of loose your love for them. And don't tell me to eat them, I
>> have when I was younger, but after crawling around in thier piles of
>> crap
>> the last thing you think about is cooking one!
>>
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