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hist_text-digest Wednesday, August 27 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1228
In this issue:
-áááááá MtMan-List: Canoe trek on the Missouri
-áááááá MtMan-List: Re: cold camp menu
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: cold camp menu
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: cold camp menu
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: cold camp coffee
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Pemmican was cold camp menu
-áááááá MtMan-List: dates for the week to remember
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: dates for the week to remember
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: dates for the week to remember
-áááááá Display Notification: Re: MtMan-List: cold camp menu
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Pemmican was cold camp menu
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Pemmican was cold camp menu
-áááááá MtMan-List: Fort Bridger
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Pemmican was cold camp menu
-áááááá MtMan-List: Squash
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Pemmican was cold camp menu
-áááááá MtMan-List: Squash
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Fort Bridger
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 08:05:39 -0600
From: Dennis Knapp <dennis@clearsprings.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Canoe trek on the Missouri
This brief journal covers our canoe trek on part of the Missouri River. We
encountered some modern inconveniences along the way as will be noted below, but
nonetheless had a very good trip.
August 14, 2003. The boys and I were loaded and pushed off at 4:00 p.m. from Holter
Dam on the Missouri River heading up stream. We paddled the pontoon equipped canoe
about 4 miles to a saddle in the oxbow bend of the river. We decided to make camp
there the first night. Selecting campsites on this portion of the river can be
difficult as there is so much of the bank with vertical walls. We laid out our
oilcloth and blankets and then had dinner of jerky, smoked trout, sea biscuits and
fruit. We hiked around a bit, saw a few deer, and watched the sun set. Bed came at
dark.
August 15, 2003. I awoke at 5:15 a.m. The night had been very warm and only a canvas
cloth covered me all night. Made some cold tea, as this trip required us to have a
cold camp. Got the boys up at 7:00 a.m. looking over the map we decided to portage
across the saddle. This saved us 2-2 ╜ miles of paddling. We packed up hauled our
gear and canoe about 300-400 yards across the saddle. Before loading up we ate
breakfast of jerky, smoked trout, cold oatmeal, sea biscuits, and fruit. We put in
at 8:45 a.m. The river was calm, weather was warm, and the sky was very hazy from
wildfires in the area. We got in the first hour of paddling without any motorboats
causing us trouble. As the day progressed we encountered many of the modern self
propelled boats. Each time one would pass we would have to turn into the wake to
avoid being swamped. Along this days route we saw about 20 big horn sheep and lots
of deer. I was surprised to see pelicans and seagulls as well. The water was warm
and full of algae. A modern water filter accompanied us on the trip. By 12:30 p.m.
we decided to stop for lunch. We landed just down stream from the ôGates of the
Mountainsö. Over lunch of jerky, smoked trout, sea biscuits and fruit we decided to
camp at this spot. We figured if we kept going we could be at our take out by late
afternoon. We wanted to stay another night on the river instead. We fished, swam,
hiked around and took a nap during the afternoon. Also watched a big thunderhead
pass just to the east of us. It started at least one fire we could see smoke from on
the other side of the ridge. Dinner was, you guessed it, the same as previous meals
with the exception of some cheese added. I loaded the smoothbore and we bear proofed
camp before retiring for the evening.
August 16, 2003. Wake up call was 6:00 a.m. with the empting of the gun. We packed
up and headed for the ôgatesö. We passed by Mann Gulch where 13 smoke jumpers
perished in 1948 from a fire gone wild. Then we immediately entered the ôGates of
the Mountainsö. What an awesome feeling. Lewis and his party must have been in sheer
amazement as they went through this portion of the Missouri. Vertical walls of 1200Æ
guided us for about a mile before opening up and turning west. We stopped and had
breakfast at the site of LewisÆ camp on July 19, 1805. By this time the water had
cleared up and was colder. I believe the narrowness and depth of the river prevented
the algae build up. Saw more deer and encountered many powerboats this day. Most of
the last 5-6 miles was traveled in a much narrower river than the previous 2 days.
We encountered some strong winds as well. When we stopped paddling, immediately we
began drifting down stream. We landed at the ôGates of the Mountainsö tour boat
launch site at 1:00 pm, ending our canoe trek.
Lessons learned: Canoe travel can be much faster than I thought. This trip could
have been made in one day without an overnight stay. We took way to much food for 2
reasons. One, I thought we would be out there longer and 2, we did not eat like we
thought we would. The pontoons were a lifesaver (or at least a swamp saver) in a
couple of instances where powerboats were less than courteous on the water. Next
time fishing needs to be taken seriously. All in all the boys and I had a great time
and are ready to do it again. Sorry this is long. With best regards, Dennis Knapp
aka Sticher, Alan, and Andy.
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 08:14:52 -0600
From: Dennis Knapp <dennis@clearsprings.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: cold camp menu
We just got back from a canoe trek on the Missouri river. We had to do cold camp.
Here are some of the things we did. Cold instant oatmeal, dried fruit, jerky, smoked
fish ( I sell it by the way), cold brew tea available at any grocery store, nuts,
pilot bread, and hard cheese. good luck.
Regards,
Dennis Knapp aka Sticher
Southern Idaho
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 11:57:19 EDT
From: NaugaMok@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: cold camp menu
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In a message dated 8/24/2003 7:46:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
rjbublitz@earthlink.net writes:
> Usually when there is a fire ban, the
> only type of stove, etc... allowed is one with a shut off valve.
> Therefore, charcoal, etc... is also banned.
That's a Federal reg. On private property, might get away with a flame.
Was thinking about the no coffee dilemma & got the idea; "If sun tea works,
why not sun coffee?" So, dug out on old quart mason jar, filled it with
water, added 1/4 cup of coffee (Folgers), gave it a stir with a spoon, & set it
out in the sun at 7:25 AM. Shortly after that it hit me; "DUH! Quart jars
aren't period!" So, dug out corn boiler, which, despite wife's heroic efforts to
keep clean, has over the years, developed a nice black outside, which should
work well for the sun coffee experiment. I loaded it the same as the jar.
Thirty minutes later, I sampled both brews. While still about room temp, both,
when strained through a paper towel looked like tolerable coffee. Tasted
pretty good too. Flavor advantage was slightly in favor of the jar. If you don't
mind a few grounds in your cup, straining would be optional. Out in the
woods, I'd have ground the beans with a rock & used a clean sock for the straining
or even my "coffee bean grinding bag" which is white cotton. More than likely
the grinding bag wouldn't work because of all the coffee oils it's absorbed
from use.
At the 1 hour mark: Both samples still not warm even in our Southern Nevada
sun. Jar still has slight edge in flavor, but both are "drinkable". Will
discontinue experiment since about 1 hour is about all the time anyone should
spend getting moving in the morning while in Mother Nature's living room. I
didn't try the "burnin' glass heater" 'cuz I couldn't find mine. Both samples
would have been much better hot or iced, but in a cold camp, hot is out of the
question & by third day, ice is gone -- if you took any to start with. However,
the experiment worked in creating coffee even though it wasn't steaming hot.
Nauga Mok
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ht Time, rjbublitz@earthlink.net writes:<BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
That's a Federal reg. On private property, might get away with a flame=
.<BR>
<BR>
Was thinking about the no coffee dilemma & got the idea; "If sun=20=
tea works, why not sun coffee?" So, dug out on old quart mason jar, fi=
lled it with water, added 1/4 cup of coffee (Folgers), gave it a stir with a=
spoon, & set it out in the sun at 7:25 AM. Shortly after that it=20=
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, which, despite wife's heroic efforts to keep clean, has over the years, de=
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riment. I loaded it the same as the jar. Thirty minutes later, I=
sampled both brews. While still about room temp, both, when strained=20=
through a paper towel looked like tolerable coffee. Tasted pretty good=
too. Flavor advantage was slightly in favor of the jar. If you=20=
don't mind a few grounds in your cup, straining would be optional. Out=
in the woods, I'd have ground the beans with a rock & used a clean sock=
for the straining or even my "coffee bean grinding bag" which is white cott=
on. More than likely the grinding bag wouldn't work because of all the=
coffee oils it's absorbed from use. <BR>
<BR>
At the 1 hour mark: Both samples still not warm even in our Southern N=
evada sun. Jar still has slight edge in flavor, but both are "drinkabl=
e". Will discontinue experiment since about 1 hour is about all the ti=
me anyone should spend getting moving in the morning while in Mother Nature'=
s living room. I didn't try the "burnin' glass heater" 'cuz I couldn't=
find mine. Both samples would have been much better hot or iced, but in a c=
old camp, hot is out of the question & by third day, ice is gone -- if y=
ou took any to start with. However, the experiment worked in creating=20=
coffee even though it wasn't steaming hot.<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D4=
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 09:04:24 -0700
From: "roger lahti" <amm1719@charter.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: cold camp menu
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Nauga Mok and all,
Thanks for the menus and suggestions. Certainly they all are common =
sense answers to a cold camp. As to taking an hour to sun brew coffee in =
the morning, there is no rule that says it can't be started the =
night/day before if your going to drink it cold anyway and in the =
morning a dollop of rum/Irish Cream/ etc. will take the edge off the =
fact that it is cold coffee.=20
The challenge of course is to do it pc in an abnormal situation during =
modern times. PC would likely be eating jerky and parched corn washed =
down with creek water and not having a fire for security considerations =
in hostile country. It will be a shame not being able to cook the trout =
that are available but their more fun to catch and release most times =
anyway.
Thanks again for the ideas and cautions.
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:07:34 EDT
From: NaugaMok@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: cold camp coffee
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For those interested, I continued the experiment to satisfy my curiosity to
see just how hot the coffee would get. Temps taken with a Radio Shack digital
multimeter with temp probe. Results were:
Time: 9:30 AM Ambient temp: 92 Temp in jar: 114 Temp in pot: 107
10:45 AM (oops!) 96 129
120
11:30 AM 100 132
127
Test terminated since there wasn't an appreciable difference between 10:30 &
11:30 & the difference observed was less than the increase in the ambient on
the jar's results. However at the 129 - 132 range in the jar & 127 in the pot,
the coffee was now hot enough I couldn't "chugalug" it. Also, the grounds
had pretty well settled to the bottom of the containers by the 10:30
observation.
Nauga Mok
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tisfy my curiosity to see just how hot the coffee would get. Temps tak=
en with a Radio Shack digital multimeter with temp probe. Results were=
:<BR>
<BR>
Time: 9:30 AM Ambient temp: 92 Temp in jar: 114  =
; Temp in pot: 107<BR>
10:45 AM (oops!) =
; 96=
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amp; 11:30 & the difference observed was less than the increase in the a=
mbient on the jar's results. However at the 129 - 132 range in the jar=
& 127 in the pot, the coffee was now hot enough I couldn't "chugalug" i=
t. Also, the grounds had pretty well settled to the bottom of the cont=
ainers by the 10:30 observation.<BR>
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:22:33 -0500
From: Sue Gilbert <sgilbert@avalon.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pemmican was cold camp menu
My family receipt for pemmican comes from my Cherokee Great,Great
Grandma and it does not have any extra animal fat, so it's not so much a
heart danger. Everyone seems to like it and it's easy to make.
I make my own jerk and dried fruit/veggies so I mix up batches for
events as needed.
Pound together 1/2 pound each of the following:
jerk meat (venison or buffalo)
parched corn
dried cranberries
dried apples
dried squash
sunflower seeds
the oil in the sunflower seeds acts like suet and binds the mixture
together slightly. It's great as is by the handful, washed down with
water, but it makes a good stew base with tomatoes, onions and beans
when you have a chance to cook.
enjoy!
Sue
Bruce Nail wrote:
My partners
> have been forced to eat many meals "Sans feu". some of the fare consists of
> the following:
> Pemmican (watch the cholesterol!)
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 00:42:47 +0000
From: amm1616@comcast.net
Subject: MtMan-List: dates for the week to remember
Fellow List members,
I have been working on a big project and thought I'd
share some of it with you. I have collected over 450 dates
of deaths, battles, marriages and anniversaries from the fur
trade. And putting them on a calendar, hopefully one day to
give out. For this week, here are some dates to think about:
26th Osborne Russell dies of "Miner's Rheumetism" 1892
Date when John Fitzpatrick and a young Jim Bridger leave
Hugh Glass to die
27th Alexander Culbertson dies in Nebraska 1879
28th
29th George Ruxton dies in St. Louis on his way back west, 1848
Zenas Leonard returns to Independence from 4 year, 4 month and 5 day
trip west, 1835
Antoine Robidoux dies in Missouri, 1860
30th Asa and Sarah Smith (missionaries) arrive at the Whitman Station
(Mission)
Thomas Eddie born in Scotland, 1799
31th Susan Magoffin arrives in Santa Fe, 1846
Nathanial Wyeth dies in Mass., 1856
If you would like to see more, let me know. This year's days of
the week match the years for the Gregorian calendars of: 1806, 1817,
1823, 1834, 1845
mike.
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:26:37 -0600
From: James and Sue Stone <jandsstone@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: dates for the week to remember
Nice Work, Mike
I'll print this off.
And I'll wait for your compilation of the calendar.
You might want to color code by year, decade or area so it's not so
mindboggling to us mortal beings.
James Stone
aka Sparks
Utah Garrison,ALRA
amm1616@comcast.net wrote:
>Fellow List members,
> I have been working on a big project and thought I'd
>share some of it with you. I have collected over 450 dates
>of deaths, battles, marriages and anniversaries from the fur
>trade. And putting them on a calendar, hopefully one day to
>give out. For this week, here are some dates to think about:
>26th Osborne Russell dies of "Miner's Rheumetism" 1892
> Date when John Fitzpatrick and a young Jim Bridger leave
> Hugh Glass to die
>27th Alexander Culbertson dies in Nebraska 1879
>28th
>29th George Ruxton dies in St. Louis on his way back west, 1848
> Zenas Leonard returns to Independence from 4 year, 4 month and 5 day
> trip west, 1835
> Antoine Robidoux dies in Missouri, 1860
>30th Asa and Sarah Smith (missionaries) arrive at the Whitman Station
> (Mission)
> Thomas Eddie born in Scotland, 1799
>31th Susan Magoffin arrives in Santa Fe, 1846
> Nathanial Wyeth dies in Mass., 1856
>
> If you would like to see more, let me know. This year's days of
>the week match the years for the Gregorian calendars of: 1806, 1817,
>1823, 1834, 1845
> mike.
>
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 01:49:07 +0000
From: amm1616@comcast.net
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: dates for the week to remember
James,
Actually, I'm was doing red for battles, blue for births
and black for deaths. Didn't know what to use for dates of marriages,
any ideas?
mike.
> Nice Work, Mike
> I'll print this off.
> And I'll wait for your compilation of the calendar.
> You might want to color code by year, decade or area so it's not so
> mindboggling to us mortal beings.
> James Stone
> aka Sparks
> Utah Garrison,ALRA
>
> amm1616@comcast.net wrote:
>
> >Fellow List members,
> > I have been working on a big project and thought I'd
> >share some of it with you. I have collected over 450 dates
> >of deaths, battles, marriages and anniversaries from the fur
> >trade. And putting them on a calendar, hopefully one day to
> >give out. For this week, here are some dates to think about:
> >26th Osborne Russell dies of "Miner's Rheumetism" 1892
> > Date when John Fitzpatrick and a young Jim Bridger leave
> > Hugh Glass to die
> >27th Alexander Culbertson dies in Nebraska 1879
> >28th
> >29th George Ruxton dies in St. Louis on his way back west, 1848
> > Zenas Leonard returns to Independence from 4 year, 4 month and 5 day
> > trip west, 1835
> > Antoine Robidoux dies in Missouri, 1860
> >30th Asa and Sarah Smith (missionaries) arrive at the Whitman Station
> > (Mission)
> > Thomas Eddie born in Scotland, 1799
> >31th Susan Magoffin arrives in Santa Fe, 1846
> > Nathanial Wyeth dies in Mass., 1856
> >
> > If you would like to see more, let me know. This year's days of
> >the week match the years for the Gregorian calendars of: 1806, 1817,
> >1823, 1834, 1845
> > mike.
> >
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>
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:16:54 -0600
From: "Wynn Ormond" <cheyenne@pcu.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pemmican was cold camp menu
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From: Sue Gilbert <sgilbert@avalon.net>
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Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pemmican was cold camp menu
> My family receipt for pemmican comes from my Cherokee Great,Great
> Grandma and it does not have any extra animal fat, so it's not so much a
> heart danger. Everyone seems to like it and it's easy to make.
> I make my own jerk and dried fruit/veggies so I mix up batches for
> events as needed.
>
> Pound together 1/2 pound each of the following:
>
> jerk meat (venison or buffalo)
> parched corn
> dried cranberries
> dried apples
> dried squash
> sunflower seeds
>
> the oil in the sunflower seeds acts like suet and binds the mixture
> together slightly. It's great as is by the handful, washed down with
> water, but it makes a good stew base with tomatoes, onions and beans
> when you have a chance to cook.
> enjoy!
> Sue
>
>
>
>
> Bruce Nail wrote:
> My partners
> > have been forced to eat many meals "Sans feu". some of the fare
consists of
> > the following:
> > Pemmican (watch the cholesterol!)
>
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:21:31 -0600
From: "Wynn Ormond" <cheyenne@pcu.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pemmican was cold camp menu
Sorry about that other post, mouse problems.
Anyway I noticed several people have mentioned dried sqash. Which varieties
are most period or work best? And do you skin and remove seeds etc?
Wynn Ormond
PS This is the best time to gather corn for parching. The gardeners are a
little tired of eating corn on the cob and the kernals are getting kind big
and tough now anyway. Perfect for parching and can be had cheap if not
free.
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From: Sue Gilbert <sgilbert@avalon.net>
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Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pemmican was cold camp menu
> My family receipt for pemmican comes from my Cherokee Great,Great
> Grandma and it does not have any extra animal fat, so it's not so much a
> heart danger. Everyone seems to like it and it's easy to make.
> I make my own jerk and dried fruit/veggies so I mix up batches for
> events as needed.
>
> Pound together 1/2 pound each of the following:
>
> jerk meat (venison or buffalo)
> parched corn
> dried cranberries
> dried apples
> dried squash
> sunflower seeds
>
> the oil in the sunflower seeds acts like suet and binds the mixture
> together slightly. It's great as is by the handful, washed down with
> water, but it makes a good stew base with tomatoes, onions and beans
> when you have a chance to cook.
> enjoy!
> Sue
>
>
>
>
> Bruce Nail wrote:
> My partners
> > have been forced to eat many meals "Sans feu". some of the fare
consists of
> > the following:
> > Pemmican (watch the cholesterol!)
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:23:01 -0600
From: "Wynn Ormond" <cheyenne@pcu.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Fort Bridger
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 01:18:47 EDT
From: GazeingCyot@cs.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pemmican was cold camp menu
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Wynn
Hidatsa, Mandan, and Aricara tribes all grew squash, they were even grown at
Fort Union. Right now is when the summer squash was ready to be harvested and
dried. We will have some at Fort Bridger, Jill and the Women of the Fur Trade
will be showing how they dried it. These squash ya save the seeds so ya can
plant them again next year. We will also have one or two winter Squash for
display but they are not quit ripe yet they need a frost or at least some cooler
tempters to set the sugars in them and give them there best flavor, same with
the pumpkins
Anyone interested in what these Squash look like, have a look at our Web site
and Upper MISSOURI RIVER GARDENING. The Large squash are the winter squash
and the smaller ones are the summer squash.
<A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm">http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm</A>
At your service
Crazy Cyot
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Wynn
<BR>Hidatsa, Mandan, and Aricara tribes all grew squash, they were even grow=
n at Fort Union. Right now is when the summer squash was ready to be harvest=
ed and dried. We will have some at Fort Bridger, Jill and the Women of the F=
ur Trade will be showing how they dried it. These squash ya save the seeds s=
o ya can plant them again next year. We will also have one or two winter Squ=
ash for display but they are not quit ripe yet they need a frost or at least=
some cooler tempters to set the sugars in them and give them there best fla=
vor, same with the pumpkins
<BR>Anyone interested in what these Squash look like, have a look at our Web=
site and Upper MISSOURI RIVER GARDENING. The Large squash are the winter sq=
uash and the smaller ones are the summer squash.
<BR><A HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm">http://member=
s.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm</A>
<BR>At your service
<BR>Crazy Cyot</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 01:29:26 EDT
From: GazeingCyot@cs.com
Subject: MtMan-List: Squash
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Wynn
Hidatsa, Mandan, and Aricara tribes all grew squash, they were even grown at
Fort Union. Right now is when the summer squash was ready to be harvested and
dried. We will have some at Fort Bridger, Jill and the Women of the Fur Trade
will be showing how they dried it. These squash ya save the seeds so ya can
plant them again next year. We will also have one or two winter Squash for
display but they are not quit ripe yet they need a frost or at least some cooler
tempters to set the sugars in them and give them there best flavor, same with
the pumpkins
Anyone interested in what these Squash look like, have a look at our Web site
and Upper MISSOURI RIVER GARDENING. The Large squash are the winter squash
and the smaller ones are the summer squash.
<A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm">http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm</A>
At your service
Crazy Cyot
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Wynn
<BR>Hidatsa, Mandan, and Aricara tribes all grew squash, they were even grow=
n at Fort Union. Right now is when the summer squash was ready to be harvest=
ed and dried. We will have some at Fort Bridger, Jill and the Women of the F=
ur Trade will be showing how they dried it. These squash ya save the seeds s=
o ya can plant them again next year. We will also have one or two winter Squ=
ash for display but they are not quit ripe yet they need a frost or at least=
some cooler tempters to set the sugars in them and give them there best fla=
vor, same with the pumpkins
<BR>Anyone interested in what these Squash look like, have a look at our Web=
site and Upper MISSOURI RIVER GARDENING. The Large squash are the winter sq=
uash and the smaller ones are the summer squash.
<BR><A HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm">http://member=
s.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm</A>
<BR>At your service
<BR>Crazy Cyot</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:30:38 EDT
From: GazeingCyot@cs.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pemmican was cold camp menu
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Wynn
Hidatsa, Mandan, and Aricara tribes all grew squash, they were even grown at
Fort Union. Right now is when the summer squash was ready to be harvested and
dried. We will have some at Fort Bridger, Jill and the Women of the Fur Trade
will be showing how they dried it. These squash ya save the seeds so ya can
plant them again next year. We will also have one or two winter Squash for
display but they are not quit ripe yet they need a frost or at least some cooler
tempters to set the sugars in them and give them there best flavor, same with
the pumpkins
Anyone interested in what these Squash look like, have a look at our Web site
and Upper MISSOURI RIVER GARDENING. The Large squash are the winter squash
and the smaller ones are the summer squash.
<A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm">http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm</A>
At your service
Crazy Cyot
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Wynn
<BR>Hidatsa, Mandan, and Aricara tribes all grew squash, they were even grow=
n at Fort Union. Right now is when the summer squash was ready to be harvest=
ed and dried. We will have some at Fort Bridger, Jill and the Women of the F=
ur Trade will be showing how they dried it. These squash ya save the seeds s=
o ya can plant them again next year. We will also have one or two winter Squ=
ash for display but they are not quit ripe yet they need a frost or at least=
some cooler tempters to set the sugars in them and give them there best fla=
vor, same with the pumpkins
<BR>Anyone interested in what these Squash look like, have a look at our Web=
site and Upper MISSOURI RIVER GARDENING. The Large squash are the winter sq=
uash and the smaller ones are the summer squash.
<BR><A HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm">http://member=
s.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm</A>
<BR>At your service
<BR>Crazy Cyot</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:37:52 EDT
From: GazeingCyot@cs.com
Subject: MtMan-List: Squash
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Wynn
Hidatsa, Mandan, and Aricara tribes all grew squash, they were even grown at
Fort Union. Right now is when the summer squash was ready to be harvested and
dried. We will have some at Fort Bridger, Jill and the Women of the Fur Trade
will be showing how they dried it. These squash ya save the seeds so ya can
plant them again next year. We will also have one or two winter Squash for
display but they are not quit ripe yet they need a frost or at least some cooler
tempters to set the sugars in them and give them there best flavor, same with
the pumpkins
Anyone interested in what these Squash look like, have a look at our Web site
and Upper MISSOURI RIVER GARDENING. The Large squash are the winter squash
and the smaller ones are the summer squash.
<A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm"> </A>http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm
At your service
Crazy Cyot
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Wynn
<BR>Hidatsa, Mandan, and Aricara tribes all grew squash, they were even grow=
n at Fort Union. Right now is when the summer squash was ready to be harvest=
ed and dried. We will have some at Fort Bridger, Jill and the Women of the F=
ur Trade will be showing how they dried it. These squash ya save the seeds s=
o ya can plant them again next year. We will also have one or two winter Squ=
ash for display but they are not quit ripe yet they need a frost or at least=
some cooler tempters to set the sugars in them and give them there best fla=
vor, same with the pumpkins
<BR>Anyone interested in what these Squash look like, have a look at our Web=
site and Upper MISSOURI RIVER GARDENING. The Large squash are the winter sq=
uash and the smaller ones are the summer squash.
<BR><A HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm"> </A>h</FONT>=
<FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=
=3D"0">ttp://members.tripod.com/gazingcyot/index.htm
<BR>At your service
<BR>Crazy Cyot</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 07:12:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ronald Schrotter <mail4dog@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fort Bridger
Wynn, near as I can tell, they have to be above the
ground so as not to scorch the grass. We have received
a fair amount of rain in the last couple of weeks, and
it is pretty green over here. I have not been
informed of any other restrictions. Dog
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> Can anyone let me know what the fire restrictions at
> Fort Bridger are going to be?
>
> Wynn Ormond
>
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