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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 11:14:13 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Dennis Miles)
Subject: MtMan-List: Poetry(LONG)

Pablo,
 This is for you.
:-pppppppp!
Love
D
"OLD BLUE HANKIE"

Memories of Two Beards, Two Dogs & Cutleg

A brigade of three trappers,
Rode up Pacific Creek.
To Rendezvous with Brother Trappers,
There that we would meet.

We were early for the Rendezvous,
So we would scout the Yellowstone.
But old Cutleg didn't want to come,
Said he'd ride the trail alone.

Old Two Dogs tried to warn him,
Said "There's Grizzly in these hills",
"Ole Ephrim he might get ya,
 Or your horses he could kill."

"To hell with the Griz" says he,
"And the Blackfeet too."
"I'm headed up Pacific Creek,
To be the first at Rendezvous."

Ignoring all our warnings,
In the rain he rode alone.
While Ole Two beards and Old Two Dogs,
Rode toward the Yellowstone.

We found him two days later,
At the junction of Gravel Creek.
Sitting by a pine tree,
Looking sad and kinda weak.

There was plunder scattered everywhere,
It lay out on the plains.
"He's kilt his horse" Old Two Dogs said,
"Or at least he's made him lame."

The saddle it lay broken,
"It don't look too good," I said.
I knew from the signs I'd seen,
Our Partner might be dead.

The horse had reared and thrown him,
And the saddle it had slipped.
It slid underneath her belly,
And too near of her hips.

She kicked and pawed her rider,
And the saddle too.
She broke up all his plunder,
That was meant for Rendezvous.

She left him bruised and battered,
And had stomped on both his feet.
Then headed off to be alone,
Somewhere down Pacific Creek.

Ole Cutleg lay there for two days,
And shot up in the sky.
Hoping to be rescued,
 So that he wouldn't have to die.

A Trapper rode right by him,
On a ridge way up high.
Ole Cutleg waved his blue hankie,
And the Trapper waved Good-Bye.

Well, now his wounds have mended,
And he's no longer weak.
But I'll bet he still remembers,
That time on Pacific Creek.

If you see a blue hankie waving Boys,
Always explore the source.
It might just be Ole Cutleg,
Who has fallen off his horse.

When you travel up Pacific Creek,
Or down the Yellowstone.
Take heed of this Warning Friend,
Don't ride up there alone.

By (TWO BEARDS) Rick Fisher

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:01:46 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Two Paths Converged in a Wood

Since we are waxing poetic, here's something for your enjoyment. This is a
poem that I wrote as a young teenager.  It's in free form verse, but the
experience was a moving one for me.  I actuality I was scared sh--less as I
only had a hunting knife with me at the time, and I shook for timeless minutes
before I beat a hasty retreat home, not wanting to be alone in the woods at
night with a wolf on the prowl.  The event occurred in the 50' in Illinois,
where the biologists said wolves had been extinct for decades.  Some of you
may have already seen it, as it was posted with permission in one of the the
NMLRA regional newsletters out west about a year ago.  I call it:

Two Paths Converged in a Wood

I sat
By the stream washed roots
Of a gnarly oak;
In that quite time in the forest
Before it comes alive.

It moved.
A tiny flit of brown
Emerged from the tangle.
Then another,
As the band of chipmunks emerged
For one last fling at day.

I sat.
Our eyes touched fleetingly.
They sensed not harm
And continued with the play
That insures a long, restful sleep.

It moved.
That long, dark shadow,
As it crept
Over the crest of the hill, unaware.
All grew quiet.

We sat.
Motionless, the dark killer
Moved from rock to tree.
His senses not yet alive
with our hushed presence.

He started.
The lean, gray wolf
Stood frozen.  In that instant
He knew he was not alone
As we sat, hushed.

We locked
Eyes.  He saw no fear.
I showed none; and he moved
Across the valley
And on his way.

Night fell.
With the renewed silence
That precludes the arrival
Of those nocturnal creatures
Who go about in the dark.

I left.
      Alone.......


OldFox

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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 16:11:01 -0600 (CST)
From: [e-mail] (Henry B. Crawford)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Leggings into pants

>In a message dated 98-07-31 16:37:51 EDT, you write:
>
><< Since Miller (1837) and Bodmer (1833) each only covered one specific region
> at one specific time, I can't form conclusions on their observations being
> the rule for the "fur trade period" at large. >>
>
>   True enough.  I never intended to relate a conclusion that knee breeches
>and leggin's should be considered a rule.  Just that it may well be a good
>possibuility that they might have prhaps been more prevelant than might
>otherwise have been assumed.  At any rate I don't believe that they should be
>dicounted anf if you allready have the leggin's and aren't all that
>comfortable with the breechclout, then goinhg with the knee breeches would
>probably be a better route to go than to try and turn the leggin's into pants.
>   Also, the point that I was trying to relate that the writer of the piece
>was trying to make, was that a lot more consideration should be given to the
>sketches made on the scene than the paintings made at a later time.
>
>                                            Longshot


Well said.  Points well taken

"See you on the Green!"

HBC

*****************************************
Henry B. Crawford        Curator of History
[e-mail]     Museum of Texas Tech University
806/742-2442           Box 43191
FAX [phone]             Lubbock, TX  79409-3191
               WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum
******  Living History . . . Because it's there!  *******

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:54:56 -0500
From: "yellow rose/pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: gun cleaning with tow

I know how to use a tow worm to clean a gun bore, but I have always
wondered how you get it dry enough and especially how do you get it oiled
thoroughly. I guess what I am asking is from a to z how do you clean a gun
bore using tow.
Pendleton

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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 16:23:02 -0600 (CST)
From: [e-mail] (Henry B. Crawford)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Leggings into pants

Good point, John.  The leggings I recently aquired are the over the thigh
Plains type, which I tie to a sash to keep them up (a task in itself, let
me tell you.)  I use them with a wool breechclout.  I wore them all day
yesterday in 100 d. heat (West Texas, you know) and they were comfortable
with a capital C.  Good ventilation on a hot day at the cook fire (we had
steak and brats)  BTW I wore them with plains mocs and a CW military (Yank)
vest and slouch hat.  Black Indian scouts??  Ubet.  Field testing a new
outfit, as it were.

I have a pair of the SW calf-high style "botas d'ala" or "winged boots,"
sometimes simply called "botas" which I made about 13 years ago.  The
Eastern ones I don't have, but I don't need them anyway.

Good idea to distinguish the different styles of items which are often
given the same name.

Cheers,
HBC


>For some of the newer readers I think perhaps we should note there are several
>variations of leggings.  Some of the postings don't  make clear to which style
>they are referring.
>
>There are Eastern style leggings, Plains style leggings, and Southwest style
>leggings, and probably more style leggings.  Some come to the waist and tie to
>a thong or belt; some like Southwest are only calf high similar to women
>leggings. Calf high leggings are basically a rectangle of leather (sometimes
>decorated) which ties above the calf, perhaps for much the same reason as
>chaps
>to protect the riders lower legs in brushy country.  Waist high leggings can
>be: shaped or straight cut, with or without fringes, flaps, ribbons, bells,
>tassels, thimbles, paint, moose hair, quills or other decoration like buttons,
>bangles and beads.
>
>I hope this is clarifying, I am far from expert on all the variations and
>nuances of leggings.
>
>John...
>
>Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
>John Kramer  <[e-mail]>

*****************************************
Henry B. Crawford        Curator of History
[e-mail]     Museum of Texas Tech University
806/742-2442           Box 43191
FAX [phone]             Lubbock, TX  79409-3191
               WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum
******  Living History . . . Because it's there!  *******

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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:53:01 -0600
From: "Scott Singer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: brain tan pants(dye removal)

I've tried the Rit Dye Remover with good results, both with a finished
garment and with hides.  My first pair of buckskin pants were of commercial
tan, which I later decided was dyed too dark.  The dye remover has changed
them to a pale buckskin color.  The dye removal had some slight
inconsistency that really only added to the worn and stained look.  I also
used it on commercially tanned hides I used for leggins.  These were dyed
the lightest buckskin or smoke color I could find, but I still wasn't
satisfied with the color.  The dye remover yielded a color I think looks
damn similar to the off-white of clean brain tan.  I made the leggins suede
side out and was really happy with the results. Now I just need to get them
dirtier!

- -------------------------------------------------------------
Scott Singer, aka "Spinner"
WWW Rendezvous Web Site:
     http://www.geocities.com/~wwwrendezvous
Territorial Dispatch/National Association of Buckskinners Web Site
     http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/4833
- ---------------------------------------------------------------


- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, July 30, 1998 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: brain tan pants(dye removal)


>Red Hawk writes:
>>  I purchase pure white deer hides and make the garment with the rough
>>  side out.  After that I soak it in a solution of tea and coffee.  This
>gives
>>  it the color of a very tan creamy brain tan.
>
>Even those white undyed hides are hard to come by back east.  All the
tanners
>either dye them pearl gray or golden orange.  Many have had great success
with
>Rit Dye Remover and do a batch of 10 dyed hides at the same time in the
>washing machine.  When the dye is removed, they tumble them in the dryer on
>low heat until they are dry.  The softness seems to remain after this
regimen.
>
>OldFox
>

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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 22:07:44 +0000
From: ken scott <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Hunting pouch patterns

Matt:

Glad that you are looking for a beaver tail hunting pouch pattern and
not a possibles bag pattern. Some people don't understand that there IS
a difference.

One of the best ways to develop an authentic looking hunting pouch is to
study the ones in your local museums or look at the old paintings and
etchings that show hunting pouches. Figure out the measurements and
sizes relative to the body of the person carrying it and start to work.

I've made well over 400 hunting pouches and one of the best resources
available is Madison Grant's book..."the Kentucky Rifle Hunting pouch"

That's a great place to start. Also check my website;
www.kenscottpouches.com

Best of luck on your endeavor.

Ken Scott

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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:12:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dennis Fisher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: My reason for being on this list

Some more comments on Gail's post:

>Seems that Jedediah got stuck a lot. And he died very >young as a
result of being stuck in the desert.

Smith was killed by Indians along the Cimarron cutoff on the Santa Fe
trail.  He wasn't stuck in the desert.

> At one point I became interested in Jim Bridger, but >he was such a
liar (teller of tall tales), who knows >what is true?

    Celcil Alter's (I'm not sure if that is spelled correctly)
biography of Bridger did an excellent job of separating fact from
fiction.  From what I have read, I don't think Bridger was any more of
a story teller than the rest of frontiersmen of the day.  Jim
Beckworth had a similar reputation.  It seems the ones who got the
worst reputation for story telling were the ones who were illiterate
and never had the chance to defend themselves in writing.

               Dennis

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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:53:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dennis Fisher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: My reason for being on this list

In response to Gail's post, I would say that the Hugh Glass bear
encounter story is is much more exciting than Jed Smith's encounter
primarily because of the survival ordeal after being left for dead
(left to die).  John Colter's "run" after being captured by Indians is
another good story.   If you want to include some famous battles with
the Indians you might pick up a copy of "Indian Fights and Fighters".
Two that stick out in my mind are the "wagon box fight" near Ft. Phil
Kearny, and the battle of Beecher Island .

             Dennis


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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 14:15:07 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Invitation

All are invited to the annual Old Trails Folklife Festival . It is held in
Richmond, Missouri on Oct 3rd and 4th. We have a rustic festival here each
year and invite black powder shooter and reenactors to join us. For more
information email [e-mail]. For registrations send name and adress to
email adress above. Thank you.

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 20:31:41 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: MtMan-List

MtMan-List:Poem


TRIBUTE

Jedediah Strong Smith!
Tom Fitzpatrick! John Fitzgerald!
Canyon winds in canyons herald
names of mountain fame and myth.

Provost, Colter, Glass and Kit
and Joseph Walker, first and last,
found an Eden, unsurpassed,
and freely fit inside of it.

Bridger, Beckwourth and Old Bill!
Joe Meek and the Sublette brothers!
A score, or two, of famous others
much too tough for minds to kill.

But they gone now, someone said,
Old Ephriam got 'em. Or an arrowhead.
Gone? Gone! Gone, my ass!
Listen to the wind in a mountain pass.

[e-mail]


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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 22:26:32 -0700
From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: gun cleaning with tow

Pendelton:

Here's how I do it. I have a coiled, tapered, worm that twists onto the end of
my ramming rod with the brass end or onto my  extra wooden wiping stick. It
fists more securely on the wood rod but will work on either. I take a string
of tow as thick as a pencil, and about 6" long from a  bundle of tow and form
it onto the worm by twisting the rod. It will only work in one direction. I
will twist it until I get a ball shaped swab on the end of the tow worm that
looks like it will make a tight fit down the bore. If I'm gona do a quick job
of just taking the edge off the fouling in the bore, I will wet the tow swab
with a bit of water, saliva or even urine will work if need be. Then it is
just a matter of running the swab up and down a few times until most of the
fouling has been taken up. If a more thorough job needs to be done, why then
the tow may be untwisted and rewound to give a somewhat cleaner side to run in
the bore a few more times.

It may be desired to change the tow out once more but usually not more often.
At such time you may make a final swab and use it to apply some oil or grease.
If a very thorough cleaning is needed I will remove the lock and pour cool or
hot water down the barrel. I have been told that cool will work as well as hot
and that is probably so but hot water, if available, will dry out quicker.
With the water in the barrel, you may push the tow swab in and out a couple
times to flush out the fouling with good effect. Then of course, it is
necessary to make up dry swabs of tow to dry the barrel and one to oil or
grease the barrel. To deal with your concern as to getting the bore dry and
well oiled, you must make sure that your final swabs are constructed so as to
present a cushion of tow at the end of the rod that will reach the face of the
breech plug.

The swabs may be saved for future use by washing out in a bit of clean water,
wrung out and tied to the shooting bag strap to dry or in the case of the oil
swab, just stowed in the bag. Forming the tow into a swab takes a small amount
of practice but it is not difficult. The whole exercise is quit satisfying
simply because you are cleaning your fire arm the way it most often was
cleaned in the 1800's and before. I would not presume to imply that this was
the only way guns were cleaned, I'm sure that patches were used too.

I might add here that I use bear grease/oil or lard/beeswax/neetsfoot oil as a
patch lube and as a lube for the bore. The same  mix works as a fair moc
grease. I believe that such natural lubes in the bore seem to condition the
bore not unlike the conditioning of a caste iron skillet.

I hope this has been of use to you and I hope my instructions are
decipherable. I remain...

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

yellow rose/pendleton wrote:

> I know how to use a tow worm to clean a gun bore, but I have always
> wondered how you get it dry enough and especially how do you get it oiled
> thoroughly. I guess what I am asking is from a to z how do you clean a gun
> bore using tow.
> Pendleton

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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 22:45:26 -0700
From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Buffalo Meat and Shooting Events

Paul:

You Might consider for targets things like: Mash mallows, small carrots, pitted
olives, cherries, soda crackers, red potatoes, small or large onions, pine cones,
briquettes, etc. You get the idea.

These items and others were used at the Pacific Nationals a few years ago for the
trade gun match along with throwing soda crackers as bird targets instead of clay
birds! It takes a special bird thrower but they work. Any way you use tooth picks
and nails to mount the above target materials onto logs or vertical poles or hang
from strings etc. Diabolical is what I calls it!

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

[e-mail] wrote:

> Boy were you right.  No buff as some yankee bastards killed them all for sport.
>
> Need the paperless shooting information as I will be range master at a
> rendezvous in October and I want to fuck over all of the elitist paper
> punching bastards.  One idea is "gentlemen, sit in the canoe.   on command
> you will realize Indians are attacking.  you will shoot at xxx target over
> your shoulder.  you will then lay flat in the canoe to avoid the arrows
> being shot at your ass and reload, points deducted for exposted body parts
> or weapons and on command shot at target xxx22.  Get the drift.
>
> Prices have been greatly reduced as to many of the fishing items.  Will call
> today when my hand is strong enough to lift the phone.
>
> Paul
>
> >Pablo...
> > Tolt ya there wern't no damn water left enough to canoe on....And whats a
> >matter..Loose your shootin iron in a crooked whist game? Caint shoot yer own
> >damn meat!?!?!
> >Dennis
> >
> >
> >   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
> >          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
> >  Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
> >    http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> >To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> >Date: Saturday, August 01, 1998 9:14 PM
> >Subject: MtMan-List: Buffalo Meat and Shooting Events
> >
> >
> >>Regard to the List:
> >>
> >>Having just returned from the Canoe Trip From Hell, I have decided my
> >>remaining energy and ask two questions at the same time.
> >>
> >>First, however, thank you to everyone who sent me information or opinions
> >>about painting a poly canoe.  It was useful.
> >>
> >>Second, if I had tried to paint the canoe, this weekend would have
> >>"antiqued" it to death.  Only 10 to 13 miles, at least two of which was
> >>dragging or carrying canoes over rocks or shallows.  A joy as the weight
> >was
> >>unusual as we took a great deal of water due to the weather.  103 degrees
> >>actual temperature.  The owner of the property where we started stated
> >>several matters which should have given us a clue.  {{{{Dam (our unexpected
> >>takeout as everyone was in a state of collaspe) is "Oh, bout ten or so
> >miles
> >>or so.  Never been that far down river.  Suspect you will do a little
> >>walking.  Don't expect no breeze between the steep banks."}}}}}
> >>
> >>The only point he was accurate on pertained to the breeze, and then only to
> >>a degree.   As we melted, searching of a snippet of shade, we needed a
> >>breeze or three to cool the sweat.  When we did hit water, and I mean where
> >>it was of a depth where a paddle stroke would make the canoe go forward,
> >the
> >>wind was strong in our faces."
> >>
> >>Mother Jones raised a fool.
> >>
> >>Questions:
> >>
> >>Where can I purchase fresh buffalo meat which can be delivered via air for
> >a
> >>rendezvous?  What cuts do you recommend?
> >>
> >>Can you give me some suggestions for shooting events that are not, I repeat
> >>not, related to paper targets?  The more historically correct, or unusal
> >the
> >>better.
> >>
> >>Thanks again.  I love this list.
> >>
> >>Mother Jones' Better Forgotten Son
> >>Paul W. Jones
> >>[e-mail]
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >

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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 23:04:15 -0700
From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rit color remover tames chrome tan

Logtrail:

I did some searching for old friends of Ken Yellow Feather earlier this summer
and if I'm not mistaken (my memory is not the only part of me that is getting
shorter with age) I found out that yellow Pig was in a nursing home and not doing
well at all. I think he had suffered several very debilitating strokes. Now I
only say this cause if its as I remember, you would want to know for sure. So you
may want to investigate some yourself. Sorry to suggest bad news.

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

Longtrail wrote:

> Right Yeller Pig?????????????  Where ever you are.
>
>                         Longtrail

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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 03:24:50 -0400
From: Linda Holley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mtn-Man: Introduction and request for help

I am another "lady" who likes to camp out in traditional style, without
a gentleman by the side or at home.  Welcome to the group....we need
more women.

Linda Holley

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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 03:50:10 -0400
From: Linda Holley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Buffalo Meat and Shooting Events

No apologies needed to this person.  Just got out of the hospital and needed the
good laugh.

Linda Holley

[e-mail] wrote:

> Dear List:  Responding to a friends post, and not paying the least attention
> to the point of origin, I used a forbidden four letter word.  I just
> realized my unforgiveable error, and I sincerely apologize to any and all
> who are offended by the use of the word, and/or my inattention to protocol.
>
> Paul
> Paul W. Jones
> [e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:43:54 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mtn-Man: Thank you and question

In a message dated 98-07-31 08:56:19 EDT, you write:

<<     My question is this:  How do I find information on voos and
 gatherings in my area?  And other like minded people?  I live in Iowa and
 the only gatherings I have found are at Ushers Ferry in Cedar Rapids and
 at Fort Atkison (sp?).  And everyone I spoke to was from someplace other
 than Iowa.   The only newsletter I found for Iowa is no longer
 being published, and I have not yet found a web list that shows anything
 for Iowa.

 thanks for the help

 your humble servant,

 Susan Gilbert
 She Has Old Hands
  >>
Smoke and Fire News, PO Box 166 Grand Rapids, Oh 43522, [phone].
Subscription is $18 per year great listings for North America.  Today thru Aug
2 Shin Bone Valley Rendezvous VIII, Gilbertson Ia,  Aug 14-16 Iowa Territorial
Historical Event, Ottumwa Ia. are two listings not to mention Minn, SD, Wis
and Mo.  Lots to do in your area with lots of listings in Smoke and Fire.

Your humble servant

C.T. Oakes

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:23:07 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Buffalo Meat and Shooting Events

In a message dated 98-08-01 21:06:52 EDT, you write:

<<
 Can you give me some suggestions for shooting events that are not, I repeat
 not, related to paper targets?  The more historically correct, or unusal the
 better.

 Thanks again.  I love this list.

 Mother Jones' Better Forgotten Son
 Paul W. Jones
 [e-mail]
  >>

Feathers hanging from string in the wind is nasty.

I also collect weeds out back that have the round gall formed when a worm is
inside the stem.  The gall is about 1/2 to 3/4 inch in diameter.  I stick the
stem in holes in a board and number them so you have to call your shot.  As
the galls are brown they can be hard to see so the earlier you get to the
shooting line the better as you can pick a big one, if you wait to the end of
the shoot only the little ones are left.  If you don't have this type of weed
in your area just go for a walk with a bucket or sack out in the country and I
will bet that at the edge of a woods or meadow you will find at least three or
four natural targets that will drive your friends crazy when they try to shoot
them.

Have everyone notified that they will need to have a fork, knife and apple
when they come to the shoot.  Then have them spike the apple on their fork and
shoot the apple.  Or as a variation use their cup as a stand for an apple and
have them shoot the apple.  Lots of sales for the sutler with tin cups after
that shoot.

Acorns, hickory nuts etc. hung from a string are great out to 20 - 25 yards.
But is is even more fun if you can arrange the shoot so every shot is from
some odd ball distance.  To many guys (and gals) practice from set 25, 50, 75
& 100 yard lines and any change, like 17 yards, really messes with their
shooting.

Eggs set on the top of a stump or glued to a string and suspended are good.
If you tell the competitors to each bring an egg it saves you having to buy
them yourself.

Candle shoots are fun, you have to shoot out the flame but not cut the candle.
We have made wooden candles with replacable wooden flames for day shoots.  Or
you can set up real candles for a night shoot.  But if you are going to do a
night shoot make sure you let everyone know you plan to hold one so no one
drinks prior to the evening shoot.  A bunch of drunks with loaded guns in the
dark is a dangerous thing.

You can also set up a clanger (non historical) but then give them 3 minutes to
shoot and hit it as many times as they can.  Every hit is a point.  Usually
good at eliminating ties.

Strings stretched across the end of a stump make really difficult targets,
especially if you put the string at a diagonal.

Card shoot five card stud, take about 9 card and lay them out on a copy
machine to make the target.  Then each shooter gets five shoots to get the
best hand. You can do the shoot with real cards but it takes a lot of
setup/reset time.

Hope this gets you started.

Your humble servant,

C.T. Oakes

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:23:04 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rob: Allan's 1804, report

In a message dated 98-08-01 01:23:20 EDT, you write:

<<
 Does anyone have information on which cities had gas lighting in 1804?  Was
it
 only in London; or did NY, Montreal, or Boston, (or - ?),  also have the
 technology?
  >>

I know that in 1803 the Lycium Theatre in London had gas lighting and in 1816
the Chestnut Street Theatre in Philedelphia was the first theatre in America
to have gas lighting.  So the towns had gas generation/distribution at that
time.

Your Humble Servant

C.T. Oakes

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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 09:48:08 -0500
From: "St. Joseph Museum" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Fur Trader St. Michael

I have only been following the list for a few days, and you all seem to
have an interest in both reenactment rendezvous and history of the fur
trade.  So, here is my question:

St. Joseph, Missouri, sets on the Missouri River in a pocket in the
bluffs that has been traditionally called St. Michael's Prairie.  Early
maps  from as far back as 1792 show this area as St. Michaels Prairie.
We are trying to find out who St. Michael was and why his name was
attached to this area.  Our initial thoughts are that it was named after
the St. Michael family that were some of the early French settlers along
the Mississippi.  Since the St. Michaels intermarried with the Osages,
we think that some of the family members must have been traders or
trappers.  Does anyone know anything about an 18th century fur trader
named St. Michael?

Thanks for any help or ideas.

Jackie Lewin
Curator of History
St. Joseph Museum
http://www.stjosephmuseum.org

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:21:00 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Michael Pierce)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Invitation

where is richmond mo--- will be in arkansas for the primitative deer
hunting season just about that time and might run up to your shoot---what
is the match entry fee--will be huntimg in north west arkansas about 20
miles from from mo line---please send info and regester for shoot---what
type of shoot and targets--are costumes required--is it shooting from
pouch or box--is knife and hawk included in the aggrigrate or will you
have knife and hawk matches---is flint and steel fire included in match.
is there a trade gun or smoothbore match---is there pistol matches----is
there shotgun matches---are there trade gun matches and what are the
requirements--IE no rear sight above the plain of the barrel--what is the
sight requirements for rifle and pistol matches---will ther be a buffilo
match and is there a 12 lb limit on the guns---

please send info-----\
          =+=
      "Hawk"
Michael Pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor, florida   34684
1-[phone]     E-MAIL ADDRESS: [e-mail]

On Mon, 27 Jul 1998 14:15:07 EDT <[e-mail]> writes:
>All are invited to the annual Old Trails Folklife Festival . It is
>held in
>Richmond, Missouri on Oct 3rd and 4th. We have a rustic festival here
>each
>year and invite black powder shooter and reenactors to join us. For
>more
>information email [e-mail]. For registrations send name and
>adress to
>email adress above. Thank you.
>
>

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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 09:47:43 +0100
From: Allen Chronister <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: grimsley pouches

Someone asked if I'd ever seen a Grimsley pouch of
type that AFC could have bought.
Don't I wish!  If one exists it just might be
marked somewhere with his stamp, as his
saddles and other tack were marked, sometimes
multiple times.
The famous Denig pouch in the Kurz sketch might be
something like a Grimsley pouch.
Allen Chronister.

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