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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1161 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Thursday, March 6 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1161 In this issue: -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: rabbit meat -áááááá MtMan-List: tularemia -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: rabbit meat -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: long hair & whiskey -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: double rigged pack saddle -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: selling T&LR -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: rabbit meat -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: tularemia -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Miller & Thanks -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: rabbit meat -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: tularemia -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: rabbit meat -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: tularemia -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: tularemia -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: rabbit meat -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: rabbit meat -áááááá MtMan-List: site -áááááá MtMan-List: Mountain Man Book -áááááá MtMan-List: tularemia ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 13:55:30 -0500 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rabbit meat how do the rabits get this desease--- hawk ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:55:08 -0600 From: "Frank Fusco" <Rifleman1776@centurytel.net> Subject: MtMan-List: tularemia I asked my son, an emergency room physician, who spent four years with native American's in Alaska, and is an avid outdoors person (modern type) about the risk of eating animals, like rabbits, that are infected with tularemia. Oddly enough, several sources he checked did not address the question of safety when eating said infected meat. He has contacted a friend who is an expert in this field. I'll post the response when he sends to me. But, he warned the greatest risk is from the skinning and cleaning of an infected animal. My approach is to not even touch an animal suspected of being sick. Frank G. Fusco Mountain Home, AR http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ozarksmuzzleloaders/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:50:12 -0800 From: "roger lahti" <amm1719@charter.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rabbit meat unprotected sex - ----- Original Message ----- From: <hawknest4@juno.com> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:55 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rabbit meat > how do the rabits get this desease--- > hawk > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:16:52 -0700 (MST) From: <beaverboy@sofast.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: long hair & whiskey > > Hello again, > > I have two more questions. I sure hope there ain't a limit on questions. > > Number one. How long is long hair on a mountain man. I remember reading > "down to the shoulders" several times. Anyone find anything different? All the guys I see at rendezvous have hair down to the shoulders. But it's coming out of their ears, nose and from their eyebrows. bb > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 21:34:28 -0700 From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" <leona3@sourceoneinternet.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: double rigged pack saddle It was in several different pictures and unfortunately most of Millers stuff with much detail is done later. And yes its true, I am making an effort to sell magazines, but I think its worth the money. Wynn Ormond - ----- Original Message ----- From: James MacKannai <mackannai@hotmail.com> To: <hist_text@xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 9:00 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: double rigged pack saddle > > > WYN WROTE: > > In the last T&LR Louis Lasiter, a fine mountain man and a scoundrel, showed > some evidence to support a double rig or at least a second cinch like a > surcingle in Millers artwork. > > ______________________ > > > I hope that picture isn't "Caravan en Route". That picture shows a double > cich or something but it also shows the entire load stacked on top the > animals (how far would you get packed like that?)and a weird pack saddle we > know nothing about (if it ever existed at all). This is a painting of 21x47 > inches and was not made from life. Miller painted things alot different than > they really were once he got back to cash in on his trip. His original > studies must be considered reliable but almost all his follow-up work is > questionable. I wouldn't mind seeing solid evidence for double rigged > saddles at that time. Please tell me it isn't "Caravan en Route". I don't > have T&LR. > > Jim > end > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 23:13:14 -0600 From: "James MacKannai" <mackannai@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: selling T&LR Miller also shows the same rig in "Interior of Fort Laramie" but in a rough sketch from 1858-60 he shows a smaller mule packed differently and nothing can be seen of the saddle. When he portrayed a real study of "Pack Equipments" he does a fine job (for Miller)and this saddle looks nothing like his top packed cradle. A quote from "Alfred Jacob Miller; Watercolors of the American West" by Gilcrease Institute says,"...to call it 'explorer art,' given that term's connotations of cartographical objectivity, is misleading." I don't know which pictures they were talking about but some of his art IS explorer art. Some wasn't and was done years later to make money. Jim end _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 09:30:50 -0500 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rabbit meat On Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:50:12 -0800 "roger lahti" <amm1719@charter.net> writes: > unprotected sex good one pard do all rabits have it then---i have hunted rabbits for years in ark and mo and have never seen one with the liver like they were talking about must be a western desease---or in a certail local hawk ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 09:26:10 -0500 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tularemia On Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:55:08 -0600 "Frank Fusco" <Rifleman1776@centurytel.net> > My approach is to not even touch an animal suspected of being > sick. Frank G. Fusco the question is frank how do you know the animal has it so you wont toutch it---I have hunted amd skinned wild rabbits for years and dont remember seeing one with the liver discolored except for being shot up on ocasions--- how can we externally note the rabbit has a problem--- hawk ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 10:20:31 -0600 From: "James MacKannai" <mackannai@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Miller & Thanks I sure want to thank everyone for input about rabbit sickness. The hardtack information is great too. I'll keep looking at picket pins and for a little more news about cinches. It is nice to camp with others. Most time I camp alone. Nature is already timeless if men leave it alone but once there was a fellow and everything about his gear was from another time. This guy was right as rain. His camp and gear was simple and very well documented. He and I made camp along a little stream of water and life was good. One evening I watched as he picked up his flintlock and walked to a knoll some distance away. The sun was easing toward its bed in the west. The fire was playing with the wind and wood smoke spiced the air. Clouds caught rays of light, turned them different colors and bounced them back to earth. The colors draped the land as if consoling it; as if tucking the earth in for the evening. This fellow stood in dirty leggings and dusty wool with his back to me, I don't know what he saw beyond the rise he stood upon, but I saw time disappear. For a moment I was there, in that place where my heart often goes; where Jim Bridger is still young. I realized later that it wasn't me who made that moment possible. It was the fellow I was camped with. I had worked hard to document and study, so my gear was right. Everything was right to the point that even after years of research have passed there are still no flaws in any detail of that memory. It took years to get to that point. Everything was simple but it was right. In that moment I forgot the hours of research, sewing tanning, and searching. It was easy to forget because the twentieth century didn't exist any more; it hadn't happened yet. But that moment was not my making, it was my friend's gift to me. I could not get outside me to see me in another time but I could see him and it transported me. From that day forward I vowed to be as unselfish as my friend. I would not cheat for comfort or to retain modern wisdom. I wouldn't talk about the "present" in camp. I would study hard and keep in mind that I could give a gift as wonderful as that given to me. I couldn't know when my friend would be there in that place where little pack horses were still moving the whole world west; I just had to be sure I made my gift last as long as I could make it last, for my friend. Thank you fellas for helping me study. We are like mountain climbers. We train and study and practice. Even though we can't stay on the mountain peaks above the clouds, we live our lives just to get there. We stay there as long as we can then we come down and live in another world. Mountain climbers couldn't get there without their friends and niether can we. We are roped together for the benifit of all. I camp alone a lot. I am training so when the time is right I won't fall and jerk some other fellow from his precarious position on the mountain we call time Thank you for your help. Your friend, Jim end _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 10:25:15 -0600 From: "James MacKannai" <mackannai@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rabbit meat >From: hawknest4@juno.com >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rabbit meat >Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 09:30:50 -0500 > > > >On Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:50:12 -0800 "roger lahti" <amm1719@charter.net> >writes: > > unprotected sex > >good one pard do all rabits have it then---i have hunted rabbits for >years in ark and mo and have never seen one with the liver like they were >talking about must be a western desease---or in a certail local > >hawk Hawk, From what I read Missouri has one of the highest rates of rabbit fever. Jim, end > > >________________________________________________________________ >Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today >Only $9.95 per month! >Visit www.juno.com > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 10:40:37 -0800 From: "Ben" <beb1@sisna.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tularemia Years ago, when I was just a youngster, we lived on a ranch in southern Utah. There were rabbits galore, both cottontail and jackrabbit. The cottontail lived mostly in our alfalfa fields, the jacks in the sage brush around them. Never saw a cottontail with the disease, but lots of jacks were sick. The jacks all had ticks covering their ears and were skinny. I'm wonderin' if the ticks transmitted the disease. One fall I shot a little fork horn buck. When I got up to it its ears were covered with ticks, it was nothing but skin and bones, had mucous running out its nose. I just stepped over it and kept on going. Only animal I've ever shot and not taken care of, but just didn't feel like taking the chance of picking something up from it. Wonder if the rabbit disease spreads to deer. Ben - ----- Original Message ----- From: <hawknest4@juno.com> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 6:26 AM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tularemia > On Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:55:08 -0600 "Frank Fusco" > <Rifleman1776@centurytel.net> > > My approach is to not even touch an animal suspected of being > > sick. > Frank G. Fusco > the question is frank how do you know the animal has it so you wont > toutch it---I have hunted amd skinned wild rabbits for years and dont > remember seeing one with the liver discolored except for being shot up on > ocasions--- > > how can we externally note the rabbit has a problem--- > > hawk > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 13:00:50 -0500 From: "John Hunt" <jhunt1@one.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rabbit meat Over the years I have got a few with spotted livers here in Ohio. i have hunted rabbits for > years in ark and mo and have never seen one with the liver like they were > talking about must be a western desease---or in a certail local > > hawk > > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 13:09:19 -0500 From: "John Hunt" <jhunt1@one.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tularemia One way I check bunnies is to check their bodys for bumps. Like a nodule under the skin. This is usually a worm. Which could lead to rabbit fever. I think the nodules come from fleas, not sure. After cleaning any game, after soap and water wash up I rinse very good with a bottle of rubbing alcohol. Do not know if this helps, but I feel any thing preventive is worth a try. This includes after gutting a deer in the field. Any small cut or nick in your skin or fingers are an opening for infected animal blood to enter you. Hangnails, everyone`s gott`em. > the question is frank how do you know the animal has it so you wont > toutch it---I have hunted amd skinned wild rabbits for years and dont > remember seeing one with the liver discolored except for being shot up on > ocasions--- > > how can we externally note the rabbit has a problem--- > > hawk > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 13:07:22 EST From: ThisOldFox@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tularemia >Over the years I have got a few with spotted livers here in Ohio. John, you need to lay off the Apple Pie and that liver problem will clear up. <G> > One way I check bunnies is to check their bodys for bumps. Like a nodule > under the skin. This is usually a worm. Those are probably warbles which haven't hatched yet. Nothing to do with tularemia > Any small cut or nick in your skin or fingers are an opening for infected > animal blood to enter you. Hangnails, everyone`s gott`em. Most everyone here is too old, but almost all states now teach youngsters in their Hunter Ed classes that you carry a pair of latex gloves with you and wear them when handling any wild game. There are getting to be too many diseases which can be transmitted from handling and cleaning. Dave Kanger - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 12:59:08 -0800 From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rabbit meat Hawk & all, Many years ago I was cautioned to be wary of rabbits that seemed lethargic. It was thought to be a lesser danger after the first hard freeze of the year which was said to kill off the infected bunnies. Beaver probably are a bit hardier when it comes to cold weather hence the problem beaverboy reported. I have had friends in Utah contract the disease from local rabbits so it seems fairly wide spread. John... At 06:30 AM 3/6/03, you wrote: >good one pard do all rabits have it then---i have hunted rabbits for >years in ark and mo and have never seen one with the liver like they were >talking about must be a western desease---or in a certail local > >hawk Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without. John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com> - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 17:02:57 -0700 (MST) From: <beaverboy@sofast.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rabbit meat My first boss in my homestate of Missouri got rabbit fever (tuleremia)when he was a boy just from carrying the dead rabbits during a hunt. My other friend (here in Montana) got it from that dead beaver he found. Thats only 2 guys in all the hunters I know well in 25 years. So it must be rare for humans to get it. I'm sure its is transmitted in the blood through cuts in the skin. I almost always wear surgical gloves when skinning, this also is great as it makes clean up much faster. The fur company I worked at bought fur for over 100 years and my boss was there for 20 of them years and we never had anyone catch anything from any critter in all those years and we bought thousands of dead critters over the years. So I guess if your numbers up, your numbers up! When some one brought a critter in that they found just laying somewhere dead we didn't touch it. We told them not to touch animals that showed no obvious signs of death. Of course animals do occasionally die of old age but its rare. Old age can be detected by teeth, hair color etc. I believe tuleremia can be cured easily if caught early. The problem is knowing what to treat. What almost killed my friend is that the doctor never suspected tuleremia. Mange is another thing that can spread to humans which is then known as Scabies. Thats what a VET told me anyway. If they are not the same they are very similar. I never touch mangey coyotes or fox. It is best to burn them after killing them too as dogs can catch it from dead infected canines. That is caused from a mite. But still both are rare to spread to humans. You have a better chance of crashing your truck on the way to the woods. bb > Hawk & all, > > Many years ago I was cautioned to be wary of rabbits that seemed > lethargic. > > It was thought to be a lesser danger after the first hard freeze of the > year which was said to kill off the infected bunnies. Beaver probably > are a bit hardier when it comes to cold weather hence the problem > beaverboy reported. > > I have had friends in Utah contract the disease from local rabbits so it > seems fairly wide spread. > > John... > > At 06:30 AM 3/6/03, you wrote: > >>good one pard do all rabits have it then---i have hunted rabbits for >> years in ark and mo and have never seen one with the liver like they >> were talking about must be a western desease---or in a certail local >> >>hawk > > Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without. > John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com> > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 08:08:11 -0500 From: "Jim Hall" <jlhall@triton.net> Subject: MtMan-List: site This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C2E3B7.87FCB0C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please visit my site for the WOODSMEN OF THE LITTLE MUSKEGON. 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Several of you asked for updates on my book, "The Reven= ant", a novel about the true life adventures of mountain man Hugh Glass (= who tangled with a sow grizzly, was abandoned and robbed by his compatrio= ts -- including a very young Jim Bridger -- and survived to seek revenge)= . I used a lot of what I learned on this list in writing the book. Revi= ewers were kind and almost all mentioned "authenticity", so thanks to all= of you for that (mistakes, of course, are my own). A bunch of you asked= me to give a "head's up" when the paperback came out. It's just now out= . It's available immediately at Amazon.com and should be trickling into = bookstores over the next few weeks. One other good development - Warner = Bros picked up the movie rights, so keep your fingers crossed. Thanks ag= ain to the list for your interest and support. YMOS, Michael Punke = _________________________________________________________ NOTICE: This= e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it are intended sole= ly for the use of the addressee and may contain legally privileged and co= nfidential information. If the reader of this message is not the intende= d recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this mess= age to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemina= tion, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachme= nts is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, p= lease notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and pleas= e delete it from your computer. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2E3F1.0041E54A Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META = HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1"> = <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version 6.0.6249.1= "> <TITLE>Mountain Man Book</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY>  Hello the list= . Several of you asked for = updates on my book, “The Revenant”, a novel about the = true life adventures of mountain man Hugh Glass (who tangled with a sow g= rizzly, was abandoned and robbed by his compatriots -- including a very y= oung Jim Bridger -- and survived to seek revenge). I used a lot of = what I learned on this list in writing the book. Reviewers were kin= d and almost all mentioned “authenticity”, so thanks to all o= f you for that (mistakes, of course, are my own). A bunch of you asked me to give a “head= 217;s up” when the paperback came out. It’s just now ou= t. It’s available immediately at Amazon.com and should be tri= ckling into bookstores over the next few weeks. One other good deve= lopment - Warner Bros picked up the movie rights, so keep your fingers cr= ossed. Thanks again to th= e list for your interest and support. YMOS, Michael Punke ______________________________________= ___________________ NOTICE: This e-mail message and all attachments tr= ansmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the addressee and ma= y contain legally privileged and confidential information. If the reader = of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent re= sponsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are = hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or other u= se of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have= received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by = replying to this message and please delete it from your computer.</BODY> = </HTML> - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2E3F1.0041E54A-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 16:04:11 -0600 From: "Frank Fusco" <Rifleman1776@centurytel.net> Subject: MtMan-List: tularemia I hope it was this list. About a week ago there was a discussion of 'rabbit fever' or tularemia (which can be found in more animals than just rabbits). The question arose as to whether meat from an infected animal was safe to eat when cooked. My son, an emergency room physician and avid outdoorsman, wasn't sure and could not find a good reference. So, he wrote to another doctor who is considered THE expert on the subject. His response is pasted below. <Tularemia can be transmitted by ingesting the bacteria, althgouh it takes many many more organisms than to transmit via the skin. One can get pharyngeal tularemia in this way, as well as the systemic forms. Exactly how this if affected by cooking I don't have much information on. I would think, since it's a live bacterium, that cooking the meat very well reduces this risk considerably, but I don't have a cut-and-dry answer to this. Jonathan Edlow> Interesting. But, no doubt, infected animals are unsafe to touch. So, who's going to handle and cook one? Frank G. 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