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hist_text-digest Sunday, March 2 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1159
In this issue:
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:03:02 -0600
-áááááá Re:MtMan-List: Are you sure that you've subscribed to the list?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: picket pins
-áááááá MtMan-List: more books....off list
-áááááá Display Notification: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:03:02 -0600
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: picket pins
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Mtn. Man book(offline)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: better and better
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Mtn. Man book(offline)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Mtn. Man book
-áááááá MtMan-List: W.M Beatty & Son Chester P.A.
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: hardtack authentic?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: hardtack authentic?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: hardtack authentic?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: rabbit meat
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: rabbit meat
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: rabbit meat
-áááááá MtMan-List: Off Topic....sleep apnea
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Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 14:05:20 -0700
From: Charlie P Webb <cwebbbpdr@juno.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:03:02 -0600
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Lanny,
Simply is great news that your getting better, I am not sure about the
work thing, but I have found it a necessary evil, keep on improving, and
keep us posted!
Charlie Webb
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Date: 28 Feb 2003 23:11:29 -0800
From: "Curtis Krouse" <kc16@qwest.net>
Subject: Re:MtMan-List: Are you sure that you've subscribed to the list?
Jim,
I don't know anything about horses.....well...not yet anyway. I've
emailed you offlist to explain that you may have not subscribed to the
list properly, or something may have happened to get your submission
wrong. It seems as though your emails are not coming through the list.
You should email Dean Rudy on the list homepage or follow the subscribe
instructions again. It seems as though your subject lines are not set
up correctly.
Regards,
Blood
On Fri, 2003-02-28 at 22:10, James MacKannai wrote:
>
>
> Hello list,
>
> I am new and just now figuring out how this list works. I never got any
> response except my own postings tonight so if any one did respond to
> previous questions I'm sorry I missed them. I enjoy reading the years of
> back log. I sure missed out on a lot of good discussions but I am catching
> up now. I am building a smooth gun and putting a mountain man outfit
> together. I am interested in horse stuff. Does anyone know where there are
> examples of early (pre civil war)iron picket pins? I realize an iron banded
> wooden stake was used early in the rocky mountains (Miller, written
> descriptions etc.) but I have seen iron picket pins mentioned.
>
> Jim
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Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 10:10:14 -0600
From: "James MacKannai" <mackannai@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: picket pins
I am new to this and have posted questions but haven't recieved any
response. I have been informed there have been some that I haven't seen
because I'm doing something wrong, so I apologize for being so stupid about
these computors. I regret not seeing responses more than you can know.
Anyway I am putting together a mountain man outfit and I am interested in
horse stuff. I have see references to iron picket pins and wonder if anyone
has an example of pre-Civil War picket pins. I have made wooden ones with an
iron band but I don't like them. Pardon me for repeating my requests. I have
enjoyed reading years of back logs of your postings and almost feel I know
some of you. Thank you for your patience.
Jim
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Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 11:18:50 -0600
From: "John McKee" <stitchin@sirisonline.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: more books....off list
Ladies and Gentlemen of the List....
I have more 'spring cleanin' magazines the wife found in the basement now
for sale.
Found so far... 21 issues of the old and long time gone "Blackpowder Report"
{ talk about travelin' into the past!! }
1982 from January to November 1982
1983 from January to October 1983
I will dig for the missing issues and let you know.
I want the original purchase price of 2 bucks an issue plus
the postage to get them to you.
Once I get some time I will have a whole lot of back issues (12 years or
more }
of Muzzleloader Magazines for sale but I'm putting them
into the computer first.
Anyone interested can contact me off list.
Thanks for your time, John
The Stitchin' Scotsman
100% Handsewn Elkhide garments
and moccasins
Manu Forti
www.stitchinscotsman.com
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Date: 01 Mar 2003 10:43:34 -0700
From: Phyllis and Don Keas <pdkeas@market1.com>
Subject: Display Notification: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:03:02 -0600
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Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 11:41:29 -0600
From: "James MacKannai" <mackannai@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: picket pins
I have used an iron banded wood picket pin. The horse walks round and round
till the rope wraps tight. In such a position it wouldn't take much for the
pin to be pulled plus it is uncomfortable and impossible for the horse to
get new feed. I don't like the idea of a loose loop on the pin that would
prevent the wrap up, and those wooden pins are big and bulky. I was hoping
to use a smaller iron pin. I camp in the desert a lot and have to carry a
pin since trees get scarce. If I have to carry a pin I want it to be compact
and reliable.
I remember reading about a man who got off his horse to shoot a buffalo.
Apparently his pin was always hooked to the rope and he punched it into the
ground. The horse spooked and took off ripping the pin out and of course it
shot into the horses body with every leap. The horse was injured. I've been
drug across a field by a picket rope so I know it takes a good pin to hold a
horse that wants to go somewhere. Horses have a lot of power and I bet those
wounds from the pin hitting were deep. I like the wemmins I shorely do but I
like horses better an like to have the best authentic equipment I can find.
Thanks for the note Lanney.
Jim
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Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 12:37:28 -0500
From: hawknest4@juno.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mtn. Man book(offline)
frank there is a place that will publish your work on a on demand basis
there is a about 150 .00 up front fee then each book sold you get a
percentage back in your pocket takes about 100 copies to break even and
you get a ibsn and a library of congress of number for your book---have
cc'd a copy of your post to jack plant and hope he can give you more info
he just finished up doind a authoring of a book in this method
jack can you help him out---
hawk
On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 14:45:50 -0600 "Frank Fusco"
<Rifleman1776@centurytel.net> writes:
> Ben
> I am working on my book. Between family obligations, it is
> coming along
> quite well. Mine is fiction with references to early American
> heritage,
> contemporary politics and a bit of futuristic stuff.
> Would you mind telling me who your agent is and how you landed
> him/her?
> From past experience, I know writing is usually the easy part.
> Finding an
> agent and getting published is the hard part.
> Regards, Frank
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "JW Stephens" <lray@mindspring.com>
> To: <Rifleman1776@centurytel.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 9:21 AM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mtn. Man book
>
>
> > Hi Frank,
> >
> > LOL Frank. I don't know about "a real writer", I'm just an
> > old man that
> > loves the mountains and history, especially the fur trade
> > era. Wouldn't you
> > have just loved to see these mountains before they were
> > crawlin' with
> > people? There are still a few places that make you feel
> > you're the first to
> > have seen it, but they're getting few and far between. Now
> > seems like every
> > ridge you crest has a road on top of it or one in the bottom
> > of the canyon.
> >
> > My full name is Bennett H. Bracken, and I live in what used
> > to a fairly
> > small town about 30 miles south of Salt Lake City. The name
> > of the novel is
> > Chase the Wind, if the publishers don't change it for some
> > reason, and it'll
> > be out the first quarter of 2003 (I hope).
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frank Fusco" <Rifleman1776@centurytel.net>
> > To: "hist_text-digest" <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 11:23 AM
> > Subject: MtMan-List: Mtn. Man book
> >
> >
> > > Ben said,
> > > <I've written a novel about mountain men and the fur
> > trade era.>
> > > Ben, wats yer last name or pen name? What is the book
> > title?
> > > Let us know when it hits the shelves.
> > > We have been needing a real writer on this list. <G>
> > > Frank G. Fusco
> > > Mountain Home, AR
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ozarksmuzzleloaders/
> > > http://www.geocities.com/rifleman1776/photopageflag.html
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Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 12:26:38 -0500
From: hawknest4@juno.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: better and better
ad--hell pard we expect you to be there the poles and boat or canoe is
ready---hope to see you in the greenup--you been relly getting the
weather there where you are from what i have seen---when are you guys
running west---
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Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 15:10:03 -0500
From: Linda Holley <tipis@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mtn. Man book(offline)
Can you give more information on this book publishing person or company.
I could also use the information on a book I am working on.
Linda Holley
http://www.tipis-tepees-teepees.com
hawknest4@juno.com wrote:
>frank there is a place that will publish your work on a on demand basis
>there is a about 150 .00 up front fee then each book sold you get a
>percentage back in your pocket takes about 100 copies to break even and
>you get a ibsn and a library of congress of number for your book---have
>cc'd a copy of your post to jack plant and hope he can give you more info
>he just finished up doind a authoring of a book in this method
>
>jack can you help him out---
>
>hawk
>
>
>
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Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 14:29:35 -0600
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <lanneyratcliff@charter.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mtn. Man book
Frank
Laura Glise used Trafford Publishing to get her book published. It is an
"on demand" publishing house and seems to fill a niche for manuscripts that
the big outfits won't fool with. She was very happy with the company.
Check them out at : http://www.trafford.com/
Lanney
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From: "Frank Fusco" <Rifleman1776@centurytel.net>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mtn. Man book
> Ben
> I am working on my book. Between family obligations, it is coming
along
> quite well. Mine is fiction with references to early American heritage,
> contemporary politics and a bit of futuristic stuff.
> Would you mind telling me who your agent is and how you landed
him/her?
> From past experience, I know writing is usually the easy part. Finding an
> agent and getting published is the hard part.
> Regards, Frank
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "JW Stephens" <lray@mindspring.com>
> To: <Rifleman1776@centurytel.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 9:21 AM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mtn. Man book
>
>
> > Hi Frank,
> >
> > LOL Frank. I don't know about "a real writer", I'm just an
> > old man that
> > loves the mountains and history, especially the fur trade
> > era. Wouldn't you
> > have just loved to see these mountains before they were
> > crawlin' with
> > people? There are still a few places that make you feel
> > you're the first to
> > have seen it, but they're getting few and far between. Now
> > seems like every
> > ridge you crest has a road on top of it or one in the bottom
> > of the canyon.
> >
> > My full name is Bennett H. Bracken, and I live in what used
> > to a fairly
> > small town about 30 miles south of Salt Lake City. The name
> > of the novel is
> > Chase the Wind, if the publishers don't change it for some
> > reason, and it'll
> > be out the first quarter of 2003 (I hope).
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frank Fusco" <Rifleman1776@centurytel.net>
> > To: "hist_text-digest" <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 11:23 AM
> > Subject: MtMan-List: Mtn. Man book
> >
> >
> > > Ben said,
> > > <I've written a novel about mountain men and the fur
> > trade era.>
> > > Ben, wats yer last name or pen name? What is the book
> > title?
> > > Let us know when it hits the shelves.
> > > We have been needing a real writer on this list. <G>
> > > Frank G. Fusco
> > > Mountain Home, AR
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ozarksmuzzleloaders/
> > > http://www.geocities.com/rifleman1776/photopageflag.html
> > >
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Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 18:20:14 -0500 (EST)
From: TheGreyWolfe@webtv.net (The Grey Wolfe)
Subject: MtMan-List: W.M Beatty & Son Chester P.A.
Ho the List!
Is anyone familiar with the above mentioned
cutlers,and if so do you know there approx. dates of operation? Also
when looking at say Sheffield cutlery if its marked with England as well
as Sheffield its considered
to be made after 1890,does that hold true of American cutlery? Thanks
for any help or hints!
Y.M.O.S,
Mike
http://community.webtv.net/TheGreyWolfe/THELONGHUNTERSCAMP
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Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 21:42:23 -0600
From: "James MacKannai" <mackannai@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: hardtack authentic?
I took my horse and mule out in the sagebrush and cactus. We got along good;
they didn't say much and I did all the talkin'. I started with a bag of
hardtack and a whole bunch of cookin' type food like cornmeal, oatmeal,
coffee, tea, an all that. After two weeks I stashed all the other food and
lived on hardtack and water. something happens to my mind out there that
makes me want to make things simple. Either that or I really hate to do
dishes. I shot at rabbits and had some meat and kept some dried apples for
desert, but I was pretty happy with hard tack. This was in November and a
nice little blizzard came along but I was really warm. All that wholegrain
flour just turned into heat. Sitting here now I can't believe anyone could
be happy with just hard tack, but I was. Gotta admit though; it does have
texture and the company was perfect. (I'd keep a mule just for the
entertainment value). Anyway my question is this. Did the mountain men of
old haul hard tack around? If they did I'd be in authentic heaven.
Jim
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Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 22:40:51 -0600
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <lanneyratcliff@charter.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: hardtack authentic?
Jim
Water crackers, pilot bread and navy bread was hauled west by at least the
late 1830's. In 1836 Fontenelle and Fitzpatrick invoiced two barrels of
water crackers for the Rocky Mountain Outfit. In 1835 Steam Boat Diana
carried 4 barrels of crackers, 4 barrels of Pilot bread and 4 barrels of
Navy bread for the "account and risk of the upper Missouri outfit Union" and
two barrels of each for the upper Missouri outfit Pierre. These cousins of
hard tack were apparently offered for sale at trading posts,etc but whether
or not mountaineers hauled very many of them around during the year is
subject deeper research than I have done. Many men bought sugar, flour,
coffee, dried fruit, etc for their resupply but I haven't seen records of
sales of crackers to particular individuals. Folks who have done more
extensive research may have a better answer to your question.
ymos
Lanney Ratcliff
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From: "James MacKannai" <mackannai@hotmail.com>
To: <hist_text@xmission.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: hardtack authentic?
>
> I took my horse and mule out in the sagebrush and cactus. We got along
good;
> they didn't say much and I did all the talkin'. I started with a bag of
> hardtack and a whole bunch of cookin' type food like cornmeal, oatmeal,
> coffee, tea, an all that. After two weeks I stashed all the other food and
> lived on hardtack and water. something happens to my mind out there that
> makes me want to make things simple. Either that or I really hate to do
> dishes. I shot at rabbits and had some meat and kept some dried apples for
> desert, but I was pretty happy with hard tack. This was in November and a
> nice little blizzard came along but I was really warm. All that wholegrain
> flour just turned into heat. Sitting here now I can't believe anyone could
> be happy with just hard tack, but I was. Gotta admit though; it does have
> texture and the company was perfect. (I'd keep a mule just for the
> entertainment value). Anyway my question is this. Did the mountain men of
> old haul hard tack around? If they did I'd be in authentic heaven.
>
> Jim
>
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Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 09:58:00 -0600
From: "James MacKannai" <mackannai@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: hardtack authentic?
LANNY"S PILOT BREAD, WATER CRACKERS, ETC.
Lanny,
I love sitting in the shade of my ponies in a place that hasn't changed from
the time Jim Bridger passed by. Even the sagebrush may have been there since
it can be up to four hundred years old in places (very old little plants).
Horse sweat and sagebrush smell right, the landscape hasn't changed; time
has stood still. So, When I taste something and look at my food I want it to
keep me in the moment. In those moments I'm just a pilgrim in the mountains
and Bridger is just over the hill where only intangible time separates us.
Waugh!
My hardtack was ground whole grain flour mixed with hot water and left to
soak then baked for a bit. After baking it was kept hot at a lower temp till
it dried up. It was about half an inch thick with holes poked in it with a
nail (but it dried to be a little thinner when done). It looks like a big
cracker that measures about four inches square. I based it on Civil War hard
tack. The fellow that gave the recipe said it was for "Ships bread".
Question: Is there any way to know what the hardbread that came west 1830's
looked like? Do you know how I can get my bread more right?. The stuff
stacks like bricks, compact but light, lasts for years, and you only HOPE it
breaks into pieces so they are bitesize ( but a wack or two with an ax works
well). Stack them in a cloth bag and tie it to the saddle. No leaking,
delicate food to squash and no fires are needed when it is warm out. It has
some pretty good qualities in spite of being similar to an edible rock.
Jim
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Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 11:52:32 -0600
From: "James MacKannai" <mackannai@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rabbit meat
Dear list,
I have heard that rabbit meat carries some sort of sickness. I have eaten it
and haven't had any problems but I want to know how to prevent having a bad
time out there. Does anyone know any one who has been sick on rabbit meat?
I carry a little kettle of lard. About half a gallon. I don't have to be
near as careful in winter since it gets hard and won't spill. Summer makes
the lard soft sometimes and a good lid and some care is needed to haul this
around at that time. Anyway I cut my rabbit up and pop it in the grease. It
comes out good to eat without boiling it first. Squirrel is really tough
unless it is boiled or soaked in saltwater over night but popping it in a
grease kettle for only a few minutes renders a handful of meat that is
tender (enough) and good. I know the eastern Indians of the 18th c. used to
throw a little sugar in their grease pot and cook their meat in it so a
grease pot goes way back. They were cooking deer, mostly. Can I get into
trouble cooking rabbit and other varmints for such a short time in my grease
kettle?
I like the grease kettle for the same reason I like hardtack; it is simple,
fast, and as far as I know, sanitary. Thanks
Jim
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Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 12:54:58 -0500
From: "Double Edge Forge" <deforge1@bright.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rabbit meat
I can't spell it, Leprosis, I think, Dad just called it "rabit fever". Just
check the liver, if it is healthy, you are okay, if it looks bad or is
spotted, get rid of it.
D
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From: "James MacKannai" <mackannai@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rabbit meat
>
> Dear list,
>
> I have heard that rabbit meat carries some sort of sickness. I have eaten
it
> and haven't had any problems but I want to know how to prevent having a
bad
> time out there. Does anyone know any one who has been sick on rabbit meat?
>
> I carry a little kettle of lard. About half a gallon. I don't have to be
> near as careful in winter since it gets hard and won't spill. Summer makes
> the lard soft sometimes and a good lid and some care is needed to haul
this
> around at that time. Anyway I cut my rabbit up and pop it in the grease.
It
> comes out good to eat without boiling it first. Squirrel is really tough
> unless it is boiled or soaked in saltwater over night but popping it in a
> grease kettle for only a few minutes renders a handful of meat that is
> tender (enough) and good. I know the eastern Indians of the 18th c. used
to
> throw a little sugar in their grease pot and cook their meat in it so a
> grease pot goes way back. They were cooking deer, mostly. Can I get into
> trouble cooking rabbit and other varmints for such a short time in my
grease
> kettle?
>
> I like the grease kettle for the same reason I like hardtack; it is
simple,
> fast, and as far as I know, sanitary. Thanks
>
> Jim
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Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 12:10:06 -0600
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <lanneyratcliff@charter.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rabbit meat
Tularemia....aka rabbit fever. If the liver has spots the rabbit is
infected. Can be a dangerous thing. Check the following site (or do a
google search for Tularemia):
http://www.health.state.ny.us/nysdoh/communicable_diseases/en/tular.htm
Lanney
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From: "Double Edge Forge" <deforge1@bright.net>
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Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rabbit meat
> I can't spell it, Leprosis, I think, Dad just called it "rabit fever".
Just
> check the liver, if it is healthy, you are okay, if it looks bad or is
> spotted, get rid of it.
> D
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James MacKannai" <mackannai@hotmail.com>
> To: <hist_text@xmission.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 12:52 PM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rabbit meat
>
>
> >
> > Dear list,
> >
> > I have heard that rabbit meat carries some sort of sickness. I have
eaten
> it
> > and haven't had any problems but I want to know how to prevent having a
> bad
> > time out there. Does anyone know any one who has been sick on rabbit
meat?
> >
> > I carry a little kettle of lard. About half a gallon. I don't have to be
> > near as careful in winter since it gets hard and won't spill. Summer
makes
> > the lard soft sometimes and a good lid and some care is needed to haul
> this
> > around at that time. Anyway I cut my rabbit up and pop it in the grease.
> It
> > comes out good to eat without boiling it first. Squirrel is really tough
> > unless it is boiled or soaked in saltwater over night but popping it in
a
> > grease kettle for only a few minutes renders a handful of meat that is
> > tender (enough) and good. I know the eastern Indians of the 18th c. used
> to
> > throw a little sugar in their grease pot and cook their meat in it so a
> > grease pot goes way back. They were cooking deer, mostly. Can I get into
> > trouble cooking rabbit and other varmints for such a short time in my
> grease
> > kettle?
> >
> > I like the grease kettle for the same reason I like hardtack; it is
> simple,
> > fast, and as far as I know, sanitary. Thanks
> >
> > Jim
> > end
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 13:43:34 -0600
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <lanneyratcliff@charter.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Off Topic....sleep apnea
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Ho the List
As you may recall, last week I said that I am returning to work tomorrow =
after being off on sick leave since November. I appreciate the kind =
words in response. I want to speak briefly about one phase of my =
treatment that may be of benefit for some of you.
For many years I have been a heavy, loud snorer. The kind of snoring =
that rattles window panes and causes ceiling fan blades to turn without =
being switched on. Snotty comments from neighbors....seriously. =
Overnight visitors to our house have routinely consoled my wife about =
the snoring that I subject her to. You get the picture. In addition to =
the noise my wife has told me for years that I routinely stop breathing =
at night, sometimes for 30-40 seconds. Spooky stuff.
Finally my doctor sent me for a sleep study. The doctors there =
confirmed what my family doctor suspected...that I have severe sleep =
apnea. After a second sleep study (which involves staying overnight at =
a special sleep lab wired from head to foot with sensors and being =
connected to a CPAP or BIPAP machine. Do a google search for those =
terms and learn more) I was prescribed a BIPAP device with an oxygen =
concentrator. You may have seen these things......a little air pump =
that gently supplies air under low pressure to permit you to sleep =
better. Most folks use a mask that looks like a fighter pilot's mask. =
They look like an invention of the devil but are surprisingly not the =
nuisance they appear to be. However, I use a nasal canula device =
instead of the fighter pilot mask and that is even better. You are NOT =
being force fed air like someone on a respirator in intensive care. The =
machine just generates a gentle air flow which helps you take complete =
breaths. You control your own breathing and can speak at any time. =
Nothing scary about it.
As a result, my REM sleep time has increased by ten fold and I routinely =
sleep straight through all night....without waking once. This is a =
miraculous thing, considering that for years I have awakened every =
60-90 minutes virtually every night. My color improved after the first =
night and my energy has multiplied manyfold. I'm not tired all the =
time. I don't have the need for naps in the afternoon, I don't get =
sleepy while driving and I don't doze off watching TV at 8:00pm. Truly =
a miracle. My doctor tells me that these improvements will make it =
easier to control my diabetes and hypertension and could even render =
those scourges to be non-issues for me.
If any of you snore heavily and/or stop breathing at night click on this =
site to learn more about sleep apnea: =
http://www.sleepfoundation.org/publications/sleepap.html
If you even remotely suspect that you are affected by sleep apnea talk =
to your doctor about it and schedule a sleep study if your doctor =
recommends it. You cannot believe the improvement in your health and =
general lifestyle if you follow through with the suggested course of =
treatment. The breathing equipment looks much more intimidating than it =
really is. I had no trouble using it even on the first night and it has =
become even easier since then. My wife is NOT disturbed by the machine, =
which is almost totally silent. Only folks who toss and turn violently =
may have difficulty adjusting to using the machine. =20
Again, if you or someone you know has the symptoms of sleep apnea please =
talk to a doctor about it. The sleep study itself and the treatment =
machines are covered by most insurance and arrangements can often be =
made if you don't have insurance. In my case the results have been =
astounding and I have no doubt at all that I have a much better chance =
at living a longer, more productive life as a result of the treatment.
cordially
=20
Lanney Ratcliff
lanneyratcliff@charter.net
______________________________________________________________
Aux Aliments du Pays
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D4>As you may recall, last =
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speak=20
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causes=20
ceiling fan blades to turn without being switched on. Snotty =
comments from=20
neighbors....seriously. Overnight visitors to our house have =
routinely=20
consoled my wife about the snoring that I subject her to. You get =
the=20
picture. In addition to the noise my wife has told me for years =
that I=20
routinely stop breathing at night, sometimes for 30-40 seconds. =
Spooky=20
stuff.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D4>Finally my doctor sent me =
for a sleep=20
study. The doctors there confirmed what my family doctor =
suspected...that=20
I have severe sleep apnea. After a second sleep study (which =
involves=20
staying overnight at a special sleep lab wired from head to foot with =
sensors=20
and being connected to a CPAP or BIPAP machine. Do a google =
search=20
for those terms and learn more) I was prescribed a BIPAP device =
with an=20
oxygen concentrator. You may have seen these things......a little =
air pump=20
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sleep=20
better. Most folks use a mask that looks like a fighter pilot's=20
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are NOT being force fed air like someone on a respirator in =
intensive=20
care. The machine just generates a gentle air flow which helps you =
take=20
complete breaths. You control your own breathing and can speak at =
any=20
time. Nothing scary about it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D4>As a result, my REM sleep =
time has=20
increased by ten fold and I routinely sleep straight through all=20
night....without waking once. This is a miraculous thing, =
considering that=20
for years I have awakened every 60-90 minutes virtually every =
night. =20
My color improved after the first night and my energy has =
multiplied=20
manyfold. I'm not tired all the time. I don't have the need =
for naps=20
in the afternoon, I don't get sleepy while driving and I don't doze =
off=20
watching TV at 8:00pm. Truly a miracle. My doctor tells me =
that=20
these improvements will make it easier to control my diabetes and =
hypertension=20
and could even render those scourges to be non-issues for =
me.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D4>If any of you snore heavily =
and/or stop=20
breathing at night click on this site to learn more about sleep =
apnea: <A=20
href=3D"http://www.sleepfoundation.org/publications/sleepap.html">http://=
www.sleepfoundation.org/publications/sleepap.html</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D4>If you even remotely =
suspect that you=20
are affected by sleep apnea talk to your doctor about it and schedule a =
sleep=20
study if your doctor recommends it. You cannot believe the =
improvement in=20
your health and general lifestyle if you follow through with the=20
suggested course of treatment. The breathing equipment =
looks=20
much more intimidating than it really is. I had no trouble =
using it=20
even on the first night and it has become even easier since then. =
My wife=20
is NOT disturbed by the machine, which is almost totally silent. =
Only=20
folks who toss and turn violently may have difficulty adjusting to using =
the=20
machine. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D4>Again, if you or someone =
you know has=20
the symptoms of sleep apnea please talk to a doctor about it. The =
sleep=20
study itself and the treatment machines are covered by most =
insurance and=20
arrangements can often be made if you don't have insurance. =
In my=20
case the results have been astounding and I have no doubt at all that I =
have a=20
much better chance at living a longer, more productive life as a =
result of=20
the treatment.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D4>cordially</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D4>Lanney Ratcliff<BR><A=20
href=3D"mailto:lanneyratcliff@charter.net">lanneyratcliff@charter.net</A>=
<BR>______________________________________________________________<BR>Aux=
=20
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