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hist_text-digest      Tuesday, February 11 2003      Volume 01 : Number 1152



In this issue:

-áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Wooden Chair
-áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Wooden Chair
-áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Sorry, Geri
-áááááá MtMan-List: Re: No Subject
-áááááá MtMan-List: Spam.. off topic
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Spam.. off topic
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Spam.. off topic
-áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Spam.. off topic
-áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Spam.. off topic
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Spam.. off topic
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Spam.. off topic
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Spam.. off topic
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Spam.. off topic/ Frog Hollow

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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 07:34:24 -0800
From: "De Santis, Nick" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Wooden Chair

BB,

I believe I used 2 2x12x48 to make my chairs.  My boy had a small plank
chair that he got off a blanket at the Flying M Rondy years ago and I used
those proportions to make mine.  I cut the slot 12in up from the bottom of
the back rest.  The same for the seat I made it 12in also.  The slot itself
is the key to the comfort of the chair.  Not the width so much as the height
of it's opening.  The wider (taller if you are measuring top to bottom on
the back rest) the slot the bigger angle you get between the seat and the
back rest.  I recommend first cutting the slot just big enough to get the
seat plank through.  This will make you set kind of straight up.  Then I
opened the hole with a rasp a little at a time until it felt just comfy!  I
am thinking I left 2 to 2 and a half inches of the plank left on each side
of the backrest when I cut the slot.

One other thing, I made four chairs and there great, but the backs only came
up 3 feet above the seat.  This is great, until that warm fire makes you
want to lean that drunken head back!  I kick myself for not making them high
enough......

Good Luck!

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 6:58 AM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Wooden Chair


Dear List,
       I found a nice 2"x12"x12' floating down the Missouri last spring
while trapping and let me tell you, they can get pretty heavy when water
soaked. Anyway I am going to make a slotted wooden chair for myself out of
it to leave at Fort Union for my yearly visits. Can someone that owns a
nicely proportioned one tell me what the measurements are. I don't want to
experiment nor do I have enough wood to have a mistake.
       All I need is the distance from the ground to the bottom of the
slot on the backboard, the length of the section that extends through the
backrest to the ground and the width of the slot (half of the board?) I
would imagine the height of the backrest is the least crucial measurement.
It can also be fairly high too as I don't think I can get two chairs out
of 12 feet.
       I took some measurements at a rendezvous once but have no idea what
I did with them. The snow is flying today and all the rivers are frozen
solid so it's a good time to get it done.
       The chair will be in the north east bastion after June, use it
anytime I'm not there.
                        bb




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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:07:18 -0700 (MST)
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Wooden Chair

Thanks a ton,
     Thats just what I needed. I was wondering about that slot and if it
was angled. I'll make my backrest higher as to your advice. Your
measurements saved me having to experiment with my free plank, I
appreciate it.
     The minute I found that plank floating down the Missouri I knew what
I was going to do with it.
          Thanks again,
                   bb



> BB,
>
> I believe I used 2 2x12x48 to make my chairs.  My boy had a small plank
> chair that he got off a blanket at the Flying M Rondy years ago and I
> used those proportions to make mine.  I cut the slot 12in up from the
> bottom of the back rest.  The same for the seat I made it 12in also.
> The slot itself is the key to the comfort of the chair.  Not the width
> so much as the height of it's opening.  The wider (taller if you are
> measuring top to bottom on the back rest) the slot the bigger angle you
> get between the seat and the back rest.  I recommend first cutting the
> slot just big enough to get the seat plank through.  This will make you
> set kind of straight up.  Then I opened the hole with a rasp a little
> at a time until it felt just comfy!  I am thinking I left 2 to 2 and a
> half inches of the plank left on each side of the backrest when I cut
> the slot.
>
> One other thing, I made four chairs and there great, but the backs only
> came up 3 feet above the seat.  This is great, until that warm fire
> makes you want to lean that drunken head back!  I kick myself for not
> making them high enough......
>
> Good Luck!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]]
> Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 6:58 AM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: MtMan-List: Wooden Chair
>
>
> Dear List,
>       I found a nice 2"x12"x12' floating down the Missouri last spring
> while trapping and let me tell you, they can get pretty heavy when
> water soaked. Anyway I am going to make a slotted wooden chair for
> myself out of it to leave at Fort Union for my yearly visits. Can
> someone that owns a nicely proportioned one tell me what the
> measurements are. I don't want to experiment nor do I have enough wood
> to have a mistake.
>       All I need is the distance from the ground to the bottom of the
> slot on the backboard, the length of the section that extends through
> the backrest to the ground and the width of the slot (half of the
> board?) I would imagine the height of the backrest is the least crucial
> measurement. It can also be fairly high too as I don't think I can get
> two chairs out of 12 feet.
>       I took some measurements at a rendezvous once but have no idea
>       what
> I did with them. The snow is flying today and all the rivers are frozen
> solid so it's a good time to get it done.
>       The chair will be in the north east bastion after June, use it
> anytime I'm not there.
>                        bb
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:31:07 -0600
From: "farseer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Sorry, Geri

Seems to me like it was just a little chilly when I ran into you at Fort =
BuenaVentura, Teton.   I can honestly say I was envious of you two =
getting to camp out that night.Walking out, my buddy and I watched a =
muskrat bumbling along the ice onthe lake, and were both wishing we' =
brung our kit with us, instead being there on business.  Oh well, I'm =
sure work will send me out that way soon again, and I may pack something =
besides suits and dress shoes next time.  =3D)


Todd
Missouri Territory



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> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of
> [e-mail]
> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:11 PM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Sorry, Geri
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> Capt Lahti my friend...
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> usual, I happen to agree with what you said and how you said it. I =
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> Cold here along the Wasatch tonight, hope all my brothers are =
weathering
> well!
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> > wrong.
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> > heard that
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> > accurate as could be without actually having been there and for the=20
> > most
> > part he did a good job. For a long time his paintings were the=20
> > standard for
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> > You of course are aware that Miller and other contemporary artists
> > "doctored" up their paintings from their original field sketches?=20
> > Does that
> > take anything away from their artistry  or even their value to us?=20
> > Only if
> > you don't take that into consideration when you work up your outfit=20
> > I
> > suppose.
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> > Speaking of which........I've been in the muzzle loading game for a=20
> > long
> > time and I've been doing the mt. man thing for a long time and I=20
> > have
> > discarded a lot of stuff cause I found out it wasn't "proper" and=20
> > that was
> > important to me. Even though I am now "more" correct I have gotten=20
> > away from
> > critiquing others and their gear just cause it ain't polite and=20
> > cause I may
> > be wrong and cause I was there once too.
> >=20
> > You don't like novels cause they aren't fact. You don't like=20
> > Clymer's
> > paintings cause they have flaws. The big question? Is your gear=20
> > 100%
> > perfect? Do you know all the answers pertaining to the Mt. Man or=20
> > any
> > history your interested in, how they did things, dressed, lived,=20
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:25:56 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: No Subject

Kevin
It has been some time since your message want out for assistance on a Fur
Trade Venue.  Are you getting the information you need?   I noticed you got a
message from John Kramer.  John is ver knowledgable about this stuff.  I
personally have been involved in the activities and research for a long time
and in fact am the originator of the "rebirth of the rendezvous" with the
first one in the 20th century at Fort Bridger, Wyoming in 1973 and the first
one for the American Mountain Men on the original Henry's Fork site in 1974
and the first one at Fort Buena Ventura in 1979 and others.

Currently I am working with programs for Fort Buena Ventura to create a
living history venue and also with the American West Heritage Center to
create a full-functioning fur trade post on the grandest scale.  Both the
above are intended to teach about the  fur trade as it truely was rather than
the version put forth by the current bunch of leather clad, well-intentioned,
but poorly schooled bunch that presents themselves as "mountain men".  I
equate that to a "Lash LaRue" 1945 kid's matinee movie (I loved 'em)
depicting the life of an 1880s cowboy and the associated Indians - most of
whom needed to be shot.

Let  me know if you have gaps in the program you are developing.

Richard James

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:19:18 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Spam.. off topic

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Has anyone got any good programs that can filter out Spam? ....I'm spending
most of my time deleting that crap...and it's driving me wild!

Magpie

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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Has anyone got any good programs that can filter out S=
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<BR>
Magpie</FONT></HTML>

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:33:13 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Spam.. off topic

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Magpie, If you go to AOL 8, it helps A LITTLE, but all-in-all AOL's spam
filtering is next to non-existant. I'm a beta tester, and can tell you it's
about the biggest thorn in their side and they are working on it as we speak.

The fact they generate HUGE amounts of revenue by selling us out to
advertisers isn't helping either; talk about a two-edged sword! LOL
Barney

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 it helps A LITTLE, but all-in-all AOL's spam filtering is next to non-exist=
ant. I'm a beta tester, and can tell you it's about the biggest thorn in the=
ir side and they are working on it as we speak.<BR>
<BR>
The fact they generate HUGE amounts of revenue by selling us out to advertis=
ers isn't helping either; talk about a two-edged sword! LOL   =
;     Barney</B></FONT></HTML>

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:05:51 -0500
From: "Tom Roberts" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Spam.. off topic

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The only effective solution I've found is to change my email address and =
then to be extremely discriminating as to whom it is given.

Tom
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  Has anyone got any good programs that can filter out Spam? ....I'm =
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:07:24 -0800
From: Pat Quilter <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Spam.. off topic

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I can't figure out why some people still don't get much spam and others
(like myself) are inundated. I believe I practice fairly "safe computer" but
I am do look at various special interests on the internet.

I have resigned myself to deleting all obvious spam before downloading my
messages (hopefully you have a titles-only way ot seeing stuff). You can see
that the spam creeps are endlessly clever at changing their wording, so a
machine filter seems almost inconceivable.

It's a modern scourge, one of the few cases that seems to merit govt
prohibition. What gives these people the right to intrude on my time and
space?

Pat Quilter

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Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 1:19 PM
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Has anyone got any good programs that can filter out Spam? ....I'm spending
most of my time deleting that crap...and it's driving me wild!

Magpie


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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=355254722-11022003>I
can't figure out why some people still don't get much spam and others (like
myself) are inundated. I believe I practice fairly "safe computer" but I am do
look at various special interests on the internet.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=355254722-11022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=355254722-11022003>I have
resigned myself to deleting all obvious spam before downloading my messages
(hopefully you have a titles-only way ot seeing stuff). You can see that the
spam creeps are endlessly clever at changing their wording, so a machine filter
seems almost inconceivable. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=355254722-11022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=355254722-11022003>It's a
modern scourge, one of the few cases that seems to merit govt
prohibition. What gives these people the right to intrude on my time and
space?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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11, 2003 1:19 PM<BR><B>To:</B> [e-mail]<BR><B>Subject:</B>
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:18:32 -0600
From: "farseer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Spam.. off topic

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There are a couple of things you can do, but their of limited use.
The number 1 most important thing is NEVER, EVER reply to the junk mail that
bombs your inbox, or try and unsubscribe.   The stuff that comes from a
website you've visited, that's one thing.   They have a record of your
visit, and you may have done business with them, so they know you're real,
and you might be interested in hearing from them again.   BUT, the crap that
just appears out of the blue, DO NOT reply, or ask to be removed.  Most
spammers buy CDs with millions of email addresses on them, and they use them
in a scattergun approach.   Most of those email addresses are bogus, some
will give them business, enough for them to keep doing what they are doing.
By replying, what you have done is confirm that your address is NOT bogus,
and get's you sold to other email CDs, which is the spin-off business of
spammers - selling YOUR info to other spammers.

    This is company policy where I work (a 5000 person software development
company).   We add the sender to a block list, and hopefully, our server
takes care of it, but under no circumstances are we to reply to it.

 I've taken apart some of the spam I've gotten and the "unsubscribe" link
was a confirmation link, to a completely different place.   Pissed me off to
be certain.

  ANY place you go to keeps track of your email address, and a lot web sites
generate revenue by selling that information.  So, I use a free service like
Yahoo for stuff on web sites that want an email address.    Places like
amazon, ebay, etc.  Buddy of mine maintains several different accounts, and
he pays attention to which ones he uses where.  If spam starts showing up on
one of them, he knows who he's given it to, and raises hell with them.    I
don't have that much time to spend playing with the web myself.    So far,
my yahoo account doesn't get much spam.   This stupid account, is at about
50% spam.   I'm on 3 lists, and get about 50 a day, and I can count on my
spam filters nailing about 10-12 of those, and then me having to delete the
others, and add them to the "banned" senders lists.  Probably gonna reach a
point where I drop this account, and open up a new one.
  -----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of [e-mail]
  Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 3:19 PM
  To: [e-mail]
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  Has anyone got any good programs that can filter out Spam? ....I'm
spending most of my time deleting that crap...and it's driving me wild!

  Magpie

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use.  </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D350200723-11022003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>The=20
number 1 most important thing is NEVER, EVER reply to the junk mail =
that=20
bombs your inbox, or try and unsubscribe.   The stuff that =
comes from=20
a website you've visited, that's one thing.   They have a =
record of=20
your visit, and you may have done business with them, so they know =
you're real,=20
and you might be interested in hearing from them again.   BUT, =
the=20
crap that just appears out of the blue, DO NOT reply, or ask to be=20
removed.  Most spammers buy CDs with millions of email addresses on =
them,=20
and they use them in a scattergun approach.   Most of those =
email=20
addresses are bogus, some will give them business, enough for them to =
keep doing=20
what they are doing.   By replying, what you have done is =
confirm that=20
your address is NOT bogus, and get's you sold to other email CDs, =
which is=20
the spin-off business of spammers - selling YOUR info to other=20
spammers.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D350200723-11022003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D350200723-11022003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2>    This is company policy where I work (a 5000 =
person=20
software development company).   We add the sender to a block =
list,=20
and hopefully, our server takes care of it, but under no =
circumstances are=20
we to reply to it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D350200723-11022003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D350200723-11022003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2> I've taken apart some of the spam I've gotten and the =
"unsubscribe"=20
link was a confirmation link, to a completely different =
place.  =20
Pissed me off to be certain.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D350200723-11022003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D350200723-11022003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2> =20
ANY place you go to keeps track of your email address, and a lot =
web sites=20
generate revenue by selling that information.  So, I use a free =
service=20
like Yahoo for stuff on web sites that want an email =
address.   =20
Places like amazon, ebay, etc.  Buddy of mine maintains several =
different=20
accounts, and he pays attention to which ones he uses where.  If =
spam=20
starts showing up on one of them, he knows who he's given it to, and =
raises hell=20
with them.    I don't have that much time to spend =
playing with=20
the web myself.    So far, my yahoo account doesn't get =
much=20
spam.   This stupid account, is at about 50% spam.   =
I'm on=20
3 lists, and get about 50 a day, and I can count on my spam filters =
nailing=20
about 10-12 of those, and then me having to delete the others, and add =
them to=20
the "banned" senders lists.  Probably gonna reach a point where I =
drop this=20
account, and open up a new one.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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face=3DTahoma=20
  size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
  [e-mail]=20
  [mailto:[e-mail]]<B>On Behalf Of=20
  </B>[e-mail]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 11, 2003 3:19=20
  PM<BR><B>To:</B> [e-mail]<BR><B>Subject:</B> =
MtMan-List:=20
  Spam.. off topic<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT =
face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0=20
  face=3DArial size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">Has anyone got any good =
programs that can=20
  filter out Spam? ....I'm spending most of my time deleting that =
crap...and=20
  it's driving me wild!<BR><BR>Magpie</FONT> =
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:31:44 -0800
From: JW Stephens <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Spam.. off topic

Very interesting stuff farseer. Not on topic, but marked OT.

The combination of Spamcop:

http://spamcop.net/ and Mailwasher:

http://www.mailwasher.net

are helping, for me. You report spam to Spamcop by
forwarding it to a secure account, where it is dissected and
addresses are pushed onto automated ban lists > "Blacklists".

Mailwasher checks your incoming mail against those
blacklists before you POP account and shows you what it
thinks is SPAM. It can also blacklist and bounce SPAM, so to
a SPAMmer your account looks dead.

Not perfect, but improving. Not available for AOL yet.

B'st'rd

farseer wrote:
> There are a couple of things you can do, but their of limited use.
> The number 1 most important thing is NEVER, EVER reply to the junk mail
> that bombs your inbox, or try and unsubscribe.   The stuff that comes
> from a website you've visited, that's one thing.   They have a record of
> your visit, and you may have done business with them, so they know
> you're real, and you might be interested in hearing from them again.
> BUT, the crap that just appears out of the blue, DO NOT reply, or ask to
> be removed.  Most spammers buy CDs with millions of email addresses on
> them, and they use them in a scattergun approach.   Most of those email
> addresses are bogus, some will give them business, enough for them to
> keep doing what they are doing.   By replying, what you have done is
> confirm that your address is NOT bogus, and get's you sold to other
> email CDs, which is the spin-off business of spammers - selling YOUR
> info to other spammers.
>
>     This is company policy where I work (a 5000 person software
> development company).   We add the sender to a block list, and
> hopefully, our server takes care of it, but under no circumstances are
> we to reply to it.
>
>  I've taken apart some of the spam I've gotten and the "unsubscribe"
> link was a confirmation link, to a completely different place.   Pissed
> me off to be certain.
>
>   ANY place you go to keeps track of your email address, and a lot web
> sites generate revenue by selling that information.  So, I use a free
> service like Yahoo for stuff on web sites that want an email address.
> Places like amazon, ebay, etc.  Buddy of mine maintains several
> different accounts, and he pays attention to which ones he uses where.
> If spam starts showing up on one of them, he knows who he's given it to,
> and raises hell with them.    I don't have that much time to spend
> playing with the web myself.    So far, my yahoo account doesn't get
> much spam.   This stupid account, is at about 50% spam.   I'm on 3
> lists, and get about 50 a day, and I can count on my spam filters
> nailing about 10-12 of those, and then me having to delete the others,
> and add them to the "banned" senders lists.  Probably gonna reach a
> point where I drop this account, and open up a new one.
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: [e-mail]
>     [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of
>     [e-mail]
>     Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 3:19 PM
>     To: [e-mail]
>     Subject: MtMan-List: Spam.. off topic
>
>     Has anyone got any good programs that can filter out Spam? ....I'm
>     spending most of my time deleting that crap...and it's driving me wild!
>
>     Magpie
>


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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 19:01:54 -0500
From: "Addison Miller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Spam.. off topic

Ok... for those of you that use MS Outlook Express, here is what you
do....

1)  Bring up OE

2) Go to TOOLS

3)  Under TOOLS, select MESSAGE RULES

4)  Under that, select MAIL, then tell it what you want deleted, who
you want blocked, etc...

Works for me....

Regards,

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:28:24 -0800
From: "roger lahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Spam.. off topic

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

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It's only a perception but I think you can cut down on spam by using a =
"user name"/email name that is hard to computer generate. I've gotten =
much less spam since I quit using my name or variations such as rtlahti, =
rplahti, etc. r_lahti2 seemed to be a good anti-spam combo.  I'll see if =
using amm1719 helps. It also helps to change servers once in a while and =
get a new email address (see above).=20

Just a though.

Capt. Lahti'


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It's only a perception but I think you =
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I've gotten much less spam since I quit using my name or variations such =
as=20
rtlahti, rplahti, etc. r_lahti2 seemed to be a good anti-spam combo. =
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see if using amm1719 helps. It also helps to change servers once in a =
while and=20
get a new email address (see above). </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just a though.</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 20:45:54 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Spam.. off topic/ Frog Hollow

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In a message dated 2/11/2003 3:24:52 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> Most spammers buy CDs with millions of email addresses on them, and they use
> them in a scattergun approach.   Most of those email addresses are bogus,
> some will give them business, enough for them to keep doing what they are
> doing.

Thanks for all the replies.... I figured the "millions of email addresses"
was the approach they are using. I use AOL's "Report Spam" joke, and think
I've spooled the spammers up and get more junk now than ever.....aaaaargh!

Back on topic: I just got a note that the Frog Hollow rondy is back....kind
of a fun gathering...

Magpie

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rd Time, [e-mail] writes:<BR>
<BR>
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hem, and they use them in a scattergun approach.   Most of those e=
mail addresses are bogus, some will give them business, enough for them to k=
eep doing what they are doing.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" s=
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Thanks for all the replies.... I figured the "millions of email addresses" w=
as the approach they are using. I use AOL's "Report Spam" joke, and think I'=
ve spooled the spammers up and get more junk now than ever.....aaaaargh!<BR>
<BR>
Back on topic: I just got a note that the Frog Hollow rondy is back....kind=20=
of a fun gathering...<BR>
<BR>
Magpie<BR>
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