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hist_text-digest       Sunday, February 9 2003       Volume 01 : Number 1151



In this issue:

-áááááá MtMan-List: Update on Bens Question
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: How Long?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: How Long?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Update on Bens Question
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Update on Bens Question
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Update on Bens Question
-áááááá MtMan-List: Sashes
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Sashes
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: How Long?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Update on Bens Question
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Update on Bens Question
-áááááá MtMan-List: Lolo Pass Spring Flingf
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Update on Bens Question
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: David Thompson Shoot
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: David Thompson Shoot

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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 12:57:56 -0700
From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Update on Bens Question

While doing some reading I found this quote in Townsends journal that might
be of interest in answering Bens question about caring for beaver pelts.

pg 89
FORT VANCOUVER . . . . Here the Indians assemble with their multifarious
articles of trade, beaver, otter, venison, and various other game, and here,
once a week, several scores of Canadians are employed, beating the furs
which have been collected, in order to free them from dust and vermin.


Wynn



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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 14:57:38 -0500
From: "Double Edge Forge" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: How Long?

 "Question: were these guns that were left loaded the first load or in other
words,  with a clean, not already fired,  barrel? "

Wynn
 I would say that these were a first load. If the fox was raiding the
henhouse or wolf in after livestock, or redskin/stranger at the door, you
wouldn't want to have to take the time to load.
 I have a little .30 cal Vincent that was a "barn gun." It was the
neighbor's. His Dad kept it in the barn, for varmits. I don't ever remember
him firing it, but after he died, his Wife gave it to my Dad. He took it
outside anchored it, stuck a fuse in the nipple and lit it. When it hit that
charge, it went off.  That gun, as far as Dad remembered had not been fired
since he lived there (20 yrs) or moved for that matter. The neighbor died in
70-71, and he was ion his 90's. His Wife said it was there when they got the
place from his Dad in the 20's...
D

"When Death set out to sharpen a new Scythe, he went from stone to leather
to silk to a soft breeze and finished it up with the rays of the rising sun.
"


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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 15:00:47 -0500
From: "Double Edge Forge" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: How Long?

I re-read my first para graph and it was vague, as am I<G>  I am pretty sure
that after the gun was fired, it was cleaned, and reloaded for the next
occasion. I would think that with cleaning you would be more sure it would
go off that to risk leaving it dirty.
D
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> Wynn
>  I would say that these were a first load. If the fox was raiding the
> henhouse or wolf in after livestock, or redskin/stranger at the door, you
> wouldn't want to have to take the time to load.


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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 14:43:06 -0800
From: "Ben" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Update on Bens Question

Hi Wynn,
Thanks for the post.    That is interesting.  Kind of makes it sound like it
was just the indians furs that needed cleaning.  I wonder if trappers did
this on a regular basis or once they got the furs in a bale that's where
they set.  Kept dry and covered of course.
I wonder if they did that to all the furs, every week, or just the ones
they'd traded for that week and after they had them in a bale, stored in a
cool dry place for shipment.

Ben
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From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 11:57 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: Update on Bens Question


> While doing some reading I found this quote in Townsends journal that
might
> be of interest in answering Bens question about caring for beaver pelts.
>
> pg 89
> FORT VANCOUVER . . . . Here the Indians assemble with their multifarious
> articles of trade, beaver, otter, venison, and various other game, and
here,
> once a week, several scores of Canadians are employed, beating the furs
> which have been collected, in order to free them from dust and vermin.
>
>
> Wynn
>
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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 14:17:47 -0800
From: "roger lahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Update on Bens Question

> Hi Wynn,
> Thanks for the post.    That is interesting.  Kind of makes it sound like
it
> was just the indians furs that needed cleaning.

Ben,

Could we be reading more into the statement below than is there. All it says
is that the hides and furs that the indians brought in needed cleaning and a
number of people other than indians were kept busy cleaning them. It does
not say that the hides brought in by others did not. It also implies that
the indian furs had not been tanned or otherwise treated to keep virmin out.
But only by implication.

One might also read into the below quote that only indians brought in furs
but that would not be totally true though it is my understanding that this
is how the British got most of their furs or quite a few. They seem to have
sent out "brigades" to trade for them more than they sent out trappers to
trap. I get a sense of that from Alexander Ross's journals.

"FORT VANCOUVER . . . . Here the Indians assemble with their multifarious
articles of trade, beaver, otter, venison, and various other game, and here,
once a week, several scores of Canadians are employed, beating the furs
which have been collected, in order to free them from dust and vermin."

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'


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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 18:00:43 -0700
From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Update on Bens Question

Ben

If I understand the quote and context correctly these were furs at Fort
Vancouver.  They were not fresh and came from all sources.  Also, Townsend
was discribing the fort itself so he refers to the place the Indains were
trading because of their activity there, not because of the furs belonged
only to them.

This quote does not refer to what was done out on the trail and appears to
refer to new furs only not those already packed away.  It does not answer
the questions just gives reason for more questions just as you have done.

To me, it would tend to support those who have already speculated that furs
may have been unpacked, aired and cleaned occasionally.  But after reading
the journals I don't believe they had the time or motivation to do it unless
they believed that moisture or bugs were a problem.  The furs were obviously
not delivered completely clean or bug free or the fur companies would not
have paid Candians to clean them.
Wynn


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Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Update on Bens Question


> Hi Wynn,
> Thanks for the post.    That is interesting.  Kind of makes it sound like
it
> was just the indians furs that needed cleaning.  I wonder if trappers did
> this on a regular basis or once they got the furs in a bale that's where
> they set.  Kept dry and covered of course.
> I wonder if they did that to all the furs, every week, or just the ones
> they'd traded for that week and after they had them in a bale, stored in a
> cool dry place for shipment.
>
> Ben
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" <[e-mail]>
> To: <[e-mail]>
> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 11:57 AM
> Subject: MtMan-List: Update on Bens Question
>
>
> > While doing some reading I found this quote in Townsends journal that
> might
> > be of interest in answering Bens question about caring for beaver pelts.
> >
> > pg 89
> > FORT VANCOUVER . . . . Here the Indians assemble with their multifarious
> > articles of trade, beaver, otter, venison, and various other game, and
> here,
> > once a week, several scores of Canadians are employed, beating the furs
> > which have been collected, in order to free them from dust and vermin.
> >
> >
> > Wynn
> >
> >
> >
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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 18:08:34 -0700
From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Sashes

What is the word on weaved sashes worn by the RMFT?

Wynn



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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 18:47:22 -0800
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Sashes

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Wynn,

A hunting-shirt of ruffled calico of bright dyes, or of ornamented
leather, falls to his knee; below which, curiously fashioned legging,
ornamented with strings, fringes, and a profusion of hawks' bells, reach
to a costly pair of moccasons of the finest Indian fabric, richly
embroidered with beads. A blanket of scarlet, or some other bright color,
hangs from his shoulders, and is girt around his waist with a red sash,
in which he bestows his pistols, knife, and the stem of his Indian pipe;
preparations either for peace or war. His gun is lavishly decorated with
brass tacks and vermilion, and provided with a fringed cover,
occasionally of buckskin, ornamented here and there with a feather. His
horse, the noble minister to the pride, pleasure, and profit of the
mountaineer, is selected for his speed and spirit, and prancing gait, and
holds a place in his estimation second only to himself. He shares largely
of his bounty, and of his pride and pomp of trapping. He is caparisoned
in the most dashing and fantastic style; the bridles and crupper are
weightily embossed with beads and cockades; and head, mane, and tail, are
interwoven with abundance of eagles' plumes, which flutter in the wind.
To complete this grotesque equipment, the proud animal is bestreaked and
bespotted with vermilion, or with white clay, whichever presents the most
glaring contrast to his real color.

From Adventures of Captain Bonneville
Seem to be worn by a few folks, or should I say there are a few accounts
of them being worn.

Todd

On Sun, 9 Feb 2003 18:08:34 -0700 "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond"
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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 18:00:31 -0800
From: "kc16" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: How Long?

In my case, the gun was loaded for a hunt....the hunt was not successful,
then the gun was hung back on the wall in my gun room for a little over a
year.  It went off like a champ....so the barrel was clean.

Blood

>
>  Pat Quilter wrote
>
> > As far as one can tell, guns were alwsys kept loaded. Many old
> "wallhangers"
> > or guns retrieved from barns or attics still have a load when inspected
(I
> > have seen hair raising tales of them going off when the modern gunsmith
is
> > heating the barrel to release the breech plug). Through personal
> experience,
> > I can attest that with ordinary care a flintlock may be kept loaded for
> days
> > if not months and still go off when required.
>
> Question: were these guns that were left loaded the first load or in other
> words,  with a clean, not already fired,  barrel?  A fouled barrel would
see
> pitting/ corrosion wouldn't it?
>
> Wynn


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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 19:05:21 -0700 (MST)
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Update on Bens Question

Dear List,
    The company I worked for purchased 5000-6000 beaver every year. Some
would need combing but not many. Of course they were transported in
vehicles and not on horseback or canoe. Furs were cleaned once (combed)
after purchasing then stored till shipping in a cool room or cooler.
    Sand and silt can many times get impregnated in the underfur from when
the beaver is dead in the trap and on the river bottom. This must be
knocked free to make the pelt look better but especially to free it of
excess weight as pelts were most often bought by the pound. Buyers are not
stupid they've seen it all. Any extra fat or meat on the hide would be
deducted with the tare weight. I think it was Martin Hunter of "Canadian
Wilds" that reported finding fine lead strips stuck in slits of a large
beaver hide to increase it weights. You can usually only fool a furbuyer
once and try to make a fool of him and you hurt only yourself in future
dealings.
    Vermin such as moth larva are not a problem during cold weather but
mice and rats always are and even more so in cold weather. I can assure
you that I checked my stack of beaver almost daily this fall. I also had
them guarded with mouse traps and caught three before selling them.
    In warm weather simple visual examinations of the fur will tell you if
there is a beetle problem. Its easy to spot the bugs themselves, their
empty shells, droppings or actual damage done by them. Often or daily
shaking of pelts would prevent the bugs from doing much. While
transporting bales I imagine they were opened after a good rain, spill out
of canoe or just weekly or so to air them and check them for mildew, rot
(from undetected moisture) or anyother problems. Bugs don't like being
moved a lot so I doubt they were a big problem other than when being
stored in warm weather.
    I'm sure indian as well as white men's furs where in need of care
after purchasing. I couldn't imagine putting up very nice furs while on
the trail, it's hard enough in a nice heated shop. Martin Hunter also
mentioned buying fur from a indian "who's leather was as clean as the
paper this is written on". He worked for the HBC in northern Canada.
                beaverboy


> Hi Wynn,
> Thanks for the post.    That is interesting.  Kind of makes it sound
> like it was just the indians furs that needed cleaning.  I wonder if
> trappers did this on a regular basis or once they got the furs in a
> bale that's where they set.  Kept dry and covered of course.
> I wonder if they did that to all the furs, every week, or just the ones
> they'd traded for that week and after they had them in a bale, stored
> in a cool dry place for shipment.
>
> Ben
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" <[e-mail]>
> To: <[e-mail]>
> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 11:57 AM
> Subject: MtMan-List: Update on Bens Question
>
>
>> While doing some reading I found this quote in Townsends journal that
> might
>> be of interest in answering Bens question about caring for beaver
>> pelts.
>>
>> pg 89
>> FORT VANCOUVER . . . . Here the Indians assemble with their
>> multifarious articles of trade, beaver, otter, venison, and various
>> other game, and
> here,
>> once a week, several scores of Canadians are employed, beating the
>> furs which have been collected, in order to free them from dust and
>> vermin.
>>
>>
>> Wynn
>>
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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 21:15:24 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Update on Bens Question

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In a message dated 2/9/2003 4:56:57 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> To me, it would tend to support those who have already speculated that furs
> may have been unpacked, aired and cleaned occasionally.  But after reading
> the journals I don't believe they had the time or motivation to do it
> unless
> they believed that moisture or bugs were a problem.  The furs were
> obviously
> not delivered completely clean or bug free or the fur companies would not
> have paid Canadians to clean them.
>

I've had the chance to look over the (recreated) fur operation at Fort
Vancouver, and it's worth the trip. I can't say for sure what the trappers
did in country, but at the Fort, the beaver hides were cleaned as best they
could, then pressed into bales that weighed around 80-90 pounds each. The
bales were then wrapped in raw hide, sewn closed, marked with the weight,
given an inventory number, and as the rawhide dried, it made a nice tight,
near water proof pack. The weight I understand was light enough for a voyager
to carry two packs at a time. Tough boys back then....

Ymos,
Magpie

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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 19:42:37 -0800
From: "Lee Newbill" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Lolo Pass Spring Flingf

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Correction on the date posted, below is the correct info....
April 13, 2003 (2nd Sunday in April)
Lolo Trail Muzzleloader's Spring Fling
Near Orofino, Idaho
Points of Contact:=20
Don "Preacher" Robinson at 208-464-2156 or email [e-mail]
Evelyn "Stonewoman" Wilson at 208-476-4321 or email =
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Regards

Lee Newbill of North Idaho
AMM# 1821
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http://users.potlatch.com/bluethistle
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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 21:35:51 -0700 (MST)
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Update on Bens Question

Magpie,
    You are correct. Fort Vancouver is an incredible fort that should be
visited by all on the list. Their trade room is one of the best. It had
something like 6 or 7 trade guns and something like 20 handforged traps in
it besides all the other trade goods. It is a very large fort too! I think
four Fort Unions would fit within its walls!
    Its blacksmith shop has four working forges, which is probably why
they can afford to have so many handforged traps.
    There was around 15 buildings inside its walls I believe and it has a
very nice garden as did the original plus orchards.
    Its fur room is the best I have seen ever. They have one wall
completely lined with the bales Magpie mentions and they also have quite a
collection of furs hanging and piled on the floor. It looks like a fur
room!
    If I weren't such a American Fur Company man I'd go there more often.
I wore my Fort Union shirt when I toured it and no one said a word about
it. That surprised me.
    Go see it, you won't be sorry. Then keep going and tour Astoria and
Fort Clatsop.
                        bb


> In a message dated 2/9/2003 4:56:57 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> [e-mail] writes:
>
>> To me, it would tend to support those who have already speculated that
>> furs may have been unpacked, aired and cleaned occasionally.  But
>> after reading the journals I don't believe they had the time or
>> motivation to do it  unless
>> they believed that moisture or bugs were a problem.  The furs were
>> obviously
>> not delivered completely clean or bug free or the fur companies would
>> not have paid Canadians to clean them.
>>
>
> I've had the chance to look over the (recreated) fur operation at Fort
> Vancouver, and it's worth the trip. I can't say for sure what the
> trappers  did in country, but at the Fort, the beaver hides were
> cleaned as best they  could, then pressed into bales that weighed
> around 80-90 pounds each. The  bales were then wrapped in raw hide,
> sewn closed, marked with the weight,  given an inventory number, and as
> the rawhide dried, it made a nice tight,  near water proof pack. The
> weight I understand was light enough for a voyager  to carry two packs
> at a time. Tough boys back then....
>
> Ymos,
> Magpie




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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 21:47:44 -0700 (MST)
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: David Thompson Shoot

Dang Sean,
    Do you have any idea where Eureka Montana is?!!! It's a long drive for
me and I live in the state! Why don't you just throw that shoot in the
North West Territories! Or Yaak?! Ha
    Just kidding. Here's one for you. The Southeast corner of Montana is
closer to Texas than it is to the Northwest corner of Montana! It's true,
measure it.
                  bb





>
> Hello the list,
>
> For any of you close to Montana here's a shoot I've been involved with
> for  the last 15 years. It's not a true Rendzvous, but we do have a
> primitive  area, no paper targets. Everything goes bang, clang or boom.
> In addition  there's some points for stuff like trap settin, rock
> throwin, spear chuckin  and maybe a devious egg perdicament once in a
> while. Anyhow, please note  entry fee is all inclusive, no blanket
> prize needed. You don't really even  need to bring food if you don't
> want, we have 4H kids nearby selling all  three meals cheap, and its
> close to town.
> Hope to se you there.
>
>
>
> DAVID THOMPSON BLACK POWDER SHOOT
> Hosted by
> TOBACCO RIVER MUZZLELOADERS
> APRIL 25-26-27
>  EUREKA, MT.
>                     New Format-New Location-New Scoring=New Fun
>
>                 Events: Rifle Trailwalk, Pistol Trailwalk, Knife & Hawk
>
> Trailwalk & Skills event
>
> All added into one aggregate score
>
> Parade in town at 12:00 Sat.- Walk with us and have a chance for a
> great  Prize Bus ride available to and from parade
>
>      Sat. At 5:30 Horse Archery Demo
>
>    Sat. at 6:00 û Team Shoot with great prizes for the top 2 Teams
>
>               Teams will be drawn at random
>
>   Aggregate Prizes for all
>
>         All this for $15 adults - $5 Juniors
>
> Drinking Water, Firewood and FOOD available
>
> Traders welcome û Separate Primitive Camp
>
> Lots of Tin Tepee parking û Easy Access Go North from Eureka toward
> Canada  on Hwy.93 for 1 mile- -Watch for sign
>
> Patched Roundball û Open Iron Sights
>
> SAFETY FIRST
>
> NO ALCOHOL OR SMOKING WHILE COMPETING!!!
>
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>
> Candy Cannon - Sat.- Before Team shoot
>
> Sun û Before Awards
>
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 04:55:39 +0000
From: "Sean Boushie" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: David Thompson Shoot

Yup, I knew that one. That's why I don't get to fort union too often!

Its a nice shoot though. We give away extra prizes people don't expect too.
Like first time there, random stuff. And usually a blanket or a Buff skull
just at random, usually by putting every bodys #'s on a board then having
some kid shoot at it. the # he hits and the 4 closest #'s get a prize. Stuff
like that. And as far as I know its the biggest in the state. ~150 shooters.

And hey, don't forget little fort Owen and the mission here in Stevensville.


>From: <[e-mail]>
>Reply-To: [e-mail]
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: David Thompson Shoot Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003
>21:47:44 -0700 (MST)
>
>Dang Sean,
>     Do you have any idea where Eureka Montana is?!!! It's a long drive for
>me and I live in the state! Why don't you just throw that shoot in the
>North West Territories! Or Yaak?! Ha
>     Just kidding. Here's one for you. The Southeast corner of Montana is
>closer to Texas than it is to the Northwest corner of Montana! It's true,
>measure it.
>                   bb
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Hello the list,
> >
> > For any of you close to Montana here's a shoot I've been involved with
> > for  the last 15 years. It's not a true Rendzvous, but we do have a
> > primitive  area, no paper targets. Everything goes bang, clang or boom.
> > In addition  there's some points for stuff like trap settin, rock
> > throwin, spear chuckin  and maybe a devious egg perdicament once in a
> > while. Anyhow, please note  entry fee is all inclusive, no blanket
> > prize needed. You don't really even  need to bring food if you don't
> > want, we have 4H kids nearby selling all  three meals cheap, and its
> > close to town.
> > Hope to se you there.
> >
> >
> >
> > DAVID THOMPSON BLACK POWDER SHOOT
> > Hosted by
> > TOBACCO RIVER MUZZLELOADERS
> > APRIL 25-26-27
> >  EUREKA, MT.
> >                     New Format-New Location-New Scoring=New Fun
> >
> >                 Events: Rifle Trailwalk, Pistol Trailwalk, Knife & Hawk
> >
> > Trailwalk & Skills event
> >
> > All added into one aggregate score
> >
> > Parade in town at 12:00 Sat.- Walk with us and have a chance for a
> > great  Prize Bus ride available to and from parade
> >
> >      Sat. At 5:30 Horse Archery Demo
> >
> >    Sat. at 6:00 û Team Shoot with great prizes for the top 2 Teams
> >
> >               Teams will be drawn at random
> >
> >   Aggregate Prizes for all
> >
> >         All this for $15 adults - $5 Juniors
> >
> > Drinking Water, Firewood and FOOD available
> >
> > Traders welcome û Separate Primitive Camp
> >
> > Lots of Tin Tepee parking û Easy Access Go North from Eureka toward
> > Canada  on Hwy.93 for 1 mile- -Watch for sign
> >
> > Patched Roundball û Open Iron Sights
> >
> > SAFETY FIRST
> >
> > NO ALCOHOL OR SMOKING WHILE COMPETING!!!
> >
> > CALL: JOE (406)882- 4691 DENNIS [phone] MARK [phone]
> >
> > Candy Cannon - Sat.- Before Team shoot
> >
> > Sun û Before Awards
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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