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hist_text-digest      Thursday, January 30 2003      Volume 01 : Number 1142



In this issue:

-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Don't eat animals????
-áááááá MtMan-List: Research Help
-áááááá MtMan-List: Research Help
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Research Help
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Research Help
-áááááá MtMan-List: remove
-áááááá MtMan-List: "Smooth" home brew
-áááááá MtMan-List: Taking the Cold
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Don't eat animals????
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Taking the Cold
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Research Help
-áááááá [none]

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 16:08:09 -0800
From: "Randal Bublitz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Don't eat animals????

Dear List Members,      I just wanted to warn all of you.  I tried a strict
Vegetarian diet.  I stuck with it as long as my strength held out.  I
finally gave it up.  Those vegetarians are so much harder to catch than
most other mammals, and those vegetarians cook up real stringy and
lean..... yuck....  I gave up on that vegetarian diet. <g>.   yfab Randy

Randal Bublitz
[e-mail]
Freedom is Not Free




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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:03:24 -0600
From: StephenMerritt <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Research Help

Hello everyone,
I realize this may be off topic for this list but I need your advice.  I am
looking for research materials for the period in which Tennessee would have
been considered the frontier so I'm guessing mid-18th to early 19th
Centuries.  Other than the book "Seedtime On the Cumberland" can anyone
make any recommendations where to look?

Thank you



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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:06:54 -0600
From: StephenMerritt <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Research Help

Hello everyone,
I realize this may be off topic for this list but I need your advice.  I am
looking for research materials for the period in which Tennessee would have
been considered the frontier so I'm guessing mid-18th to early 19th
Centuries.  Other than the book "Seedtime On the Cumberland" can anyone
make any recommendations where to look?

Thank you



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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:08:56 -0600
From: StephenMerritt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Research Help

forgive the multiple posts ... it was unintentional

At 07:06 PM 1/29/03 -0600, StephenMerritt wrote:
>Hello everyone,
>I realize this may be off topic for this list but I need your advice.  I
>am looking for research materials for the period in which Tennessee would
>have been considered the frontier so I'm guessing mid-18th to early 19th
>Centuries.  Other than the book "Seedtime On the Cumberland" can anyone
>make any recommendations where to look?
>
>Thank you
>
>
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:41:00 -0700
From: "John L. Allen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Research Help

Ho, the list,

One of the best books ever written on the "backwoods" or "midlands" frontier
is THE AMERICAN BACKWOODS FRONTIER: AN ETHNIC AND ECOLOGICAL INTERPRETATION.
by Terry Jordan and Matti Kaups. The book is out of print but you should be
able to pick up a copy via one of the used-book websites like Bibliofind.

John

Dr. John L. Allen
2703 Leslie Court
Laramie, WY 82072-2979
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From: "StephenMerritt" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 6:03 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Research Help


> Hello everyone,
> I realize this may be off topic for this list but I need your advice.  I
am
> looking for research materials for the period in which Tennessee would
have
> been considered the frontier so I'm guessing mid-18th to early 19th
> Centuries.  Other than the book "Seedtime On the Cumberland" can anyone
> make any recommendations where to look?
>
> Thank you
>
>
>
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>



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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 22:16:59 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: remove

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 21:52:08 -0700 (MST)
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: "Smooth" home brew

Sean,
    That must be the same Mike and Vince. Mike only gets either moonshine
or rye whiskey from back home. I cannot stomach either one but could use
them to start camp fires or strip paint. I'm now concerned about your
definition of "smooth".
                   bb



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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 22:59:01 -0700
From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Taking the Cold

While doing a little research this last weekend I found an interesting entry
in Jacob Fowlers Journal.  He was a trader who came west, Colordo or there
abouts, in 1821.  At the time of this entry he had been trading with a big
delegation of Arapaho, Comanche, Toas etc.  It was Nov 23 1821.

a Snow fell about one foot deep and the weather is now Cold the River frosen
up the Ice a great thickness and the Indian children that is able to walk
and up to tall boys are out on the Ice by day light and all as naked as the
Came to the world Heare the are at all kinds of sport Which their Setuation
Will admit and all tho the frost is very seveer the appear quite Warm and a
lively as I Heave Ever Seen Children In mid Summer. . . and Some that Ware
too young to Walk Ware taken by the larger ones and Soot on a pece of skin
on the ice and In this Setuation  kick its (legs) Round and Hollow and laff
at those Round it at play. . .


Along with bringing on a wonderful mental picture of the joy of these
children at play,  I am amazed at their ability to withstand cold.  I have
repeatedly read about this in native peoples.  Is this a mind over matter
thing or an accustoming to harsher realities or is it just that these
children were that much tougher than I am?  Or something else?

Wynn Ormond



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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 22:42:35 -0800
From: mtman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Don't eat animals????

Randy, I was told that Vegetarian was the Indian word for lousy hunter. You
thinks thats true?
Steve'boatkiller'McGehee

Randal Bublitz wrote:

> Dear List Members,      I just wanted to warn all of you.  I tried a strict
> Vegetarian diet.  I stuck with it as long as my strength held out.  I
> finally gave it up.  Those vegetarians are so much harder to catch than
> most other mammals, and those vegetarians cook up real stringy and
> lean..... yuck....  I gave up on that vegetarian diet. <g>.   yfab Randy
>
> Randal Bublitz
> [e-mail]
> Freedom is Not Free
>
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 01:17:47 -0800
From: John Kramer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Taking the Cold

Wynn,

I think it is primarily acclimation.  When I lived on the trail I wouldn't
sleep under a roof as I knew it would take the edge off, the longer I was
out the less significant temperature extremes seemed.  I need more blankets
now than then; women and soft beds were my ruin.

Every winter the first snaps of cold hit hard, now it's not so chilling as
the mercury rises & drops.  Same thing lesser scale.

John...

At 09:59 PM 1/29/03, Wynn wrote:

>Along with bringing on a wonderful mental picture of the joy of these
>children at play,  I am amazed at their ability to withstand cold.  I have
>repeatedly read about this in native peoples.  Is this a mind over matter
>thing or an accustoming to harsher realities or is it just that these
>children were that much tougher than I am?  Or something else?
>
>Wynn Ormond

~~~~~~~
In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man and brave, and
hated and scorned.
When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to
be a patriot."
Mark Twain


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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:06:32 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Research Help

> I am
>  looking for research materials for the period in which Tennessee would
have
>  been considered the frontier so I'm guessing mid-18th to early 19th
Centuries.

Steve,

Obtain a copy of the "Annals of Tennessee" by J.G.M. Ramsey.  It is the
history of Tennessee before 1800, and is 1st person documentation.  Ramsey
was a contemporary of Draper and they were friends.  Draper used much of
Ramsey's source material in his writings.  Ramsey's father was one of the
original settlers and he was personally acquainted with many others of note,
and interviewed them before they died.  It contains many letters and personal
journals in toto.  His book was written around 1850, and fortunately has been
reprinted by the TN Historical Society.

If you do a search on abe.com, you will get a store in Bristol, TN.  They are
also the publisher and your best bet for purchase.  It's about a $50 book.

Dave Kanger

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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 21:19:21 -0700
From: "Kevin Stickelman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [none]

I am a backcountry manager at Philmont Scout Ranch in Cimarron, NM.
Philmont is currently developing new and more accurate living history
programs for many of its camps.  Two of those camps are Fur Trade
interpretive.  I would greatly appreciate any suggestions or research topics
on this matter.

Thanks,
Kevin




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