I just purchased my first black powder shotgun. I did this just before I
found out there could be a couple of schools of thought on how to load. I
could use some pointers as there seems to be a few variables to play with
here. I intend to go out and pattern the gun, but before I start.... Can
someone point me to a few references on loads and wads and such? One
specific question I have is the use of both the over powder and then the
cushion wad between the powder and the shot. One shooter said use both, one
said never mind the over powder, just use the cushion wad, One other said
he uses the over powder, but splits the cushion wad in half. One other
question, in shotgun and trade gun of the period, what was used for wadding
before cardboard? Toe?
Thanks, and really! I am not trying to stir folks up! I would, however, like
to do well when I shoot those clay bastards at the next club shoot!
Yours,
Nick De Santis ( Travler)
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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:11:36 EST
From: LivingInThePast@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: RE: AMM and Re-enactors
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The question was asked, why do some members of the American Mountain Men
look down on "re-enactors"?
I am not in the AMM, but in my personal experience, after having known and
been on the ground with a number of their Brothers over the years, is that
the Brothers attitude is a direct response to the person they are dealing
with.
Far too many 'reenactors' think they have their chrome-tan based kit 'right',
and are quick to brag about it or criticize others.
When they do that with or in front of one of the Brothers, it sometimes gets
ugly.......
I've also found that most, if not all of the AMM guys have done more research
than most reenactors, and are willing to share the benefit of their
knowledge. The bottom line is, if one is willing to listen there is a LOT to
be learned.
Just my dos centavos. Barney
Barney
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I am not in the AMM, but in my personal experience, after having known and been on the ground with a number of their Brothers over the years, is that the Brothers attitude is a direct response to the person they are dealing with.<BR>
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Far too many 'reenactors' think they have their chrome-tan based kit 'right', and are quick to brag about it or criticize others.<BR>
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When they do that with or in front of one of the Brothers, it sometimes gets ugly.......<BR>
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I've also found that most, if not all of the AMM guys have done more research than most reenactors, and are willing to share the benefit of their knowledge. The bottom line is, if one is willing to listen there is a LOT to be learned.<BR>
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Just my dos centavos. Barney<BR>
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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:33:49 -0800
From: "Prince, John" <JBPRINCE@paccd.cc.ca.us>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re-enactors
Hello the camp.
I am absolutely new to the trapper/mountain man scene. However, I am
not new to the "re-enactment" scene having protrayed everything from
a medieval knight to a 18th century privateer. With the exception of
of my privateering group [who don't take things to seriously] I've
left them behind. The reason? Too many damn "experts"! Everybody and
his cousin knew all there was to know about whatever time period they
happen to be portraying. I grant some knew what they were talking
about, most didn't.
The final straw came when an friend of mine entered a juried brewing
event with some really fine cordials that should have placed higher
than they did. The reason? The jurors stated that since he didn't
distill his own spirits it really wasn't "period"! I pointed out that
the distallation of hard liquor is a federal crime to which the
response was "Oh really?"
Two Feathers
> The question was asked, why do some members of the American Mountain Men
> look down on "re-enactors"?
>
> I am not in the AMM, but in my personal experience, after having known and
> been on the ground with a number of their Brothers over the years, is that
> the Brothers attitude is a direct response to the person they are dealing
> with.
>
> Far too many 'reenactors' think they have their chrome-tan based kit 'right',
> and are quick to brag about it or criticize others.
>
> When they do that with or in front of one of the Brothers, it sometimes gets
> ugly.......
>
> I've also found that most, if not all of the AMM guys have done more research
> than most reenactors, and are willing to share the benefit of their
> knowledge. The bottom line is, if one is willing to listen there is a LOT to
> be learned.
>
> Just my dos centavos. Barney
>
> Barney
>
>
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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:37:08 +0000
From: "scott mcmahon" <mountedranger@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: RE: AMM and Re-enactors
Barney,
When you say...
I've also found that most, if not all of the AMM guys have done more
research
than most reenactors, and are willing to share the benefit of their
knowledge. The bottom line is, if one is willing to listen there is a LOT
to
be learned.
be careful!
Just as many "reenactors" have done their research and alot can be learned
from them as well. It seems there is still some sort of hangup/attitude
towards this crowd... as if they are all a bunch of goobers who don't
research, don't use their equipment, don't share what they know. In some
cases that is true but the same is true with any group, AMM, ALRA, or any
group you can thnk of! Maybe those with a distaste of renactors should
reasses the situation as we are all pretty much on the same path in this
game. And hey, when someone goes to a rendezvous they are reenacting a
historical event whether they admit it or not so we are all reenactors to
some extent.
Keep it coming, I've enjoyed seeing all the varied responses to this- glad
we can discuss things without getting barbaric!
Dios, Libertad y Tejas
Scott McMahon
S.W. Frontiers Mntd. Ranging Co.
"Hays's Rangers have come, their appearance never to be forgotten. Not any
sort of uniforms, but well mounted and doubly well armed: each man has one
or two Colt's revolvers besides ordinary pistols, a sword, and every man a
rifle....The Mexicans are terribly afraid of them."
Dixie Gun Works sells wad punches, last time I ordered wads and overshot cards I noticed them. I also noticed that at some leather stores they have leather punches that may be the correct size. You may want to try Tandy.com
BTW I use Blue and Grey brand wads and overshot cards from Dixie, I have never patterned my double, but I like using just the wads split in half, one over the powder and one over the shot. I have taken many quail and dove with it.
Frank
Midland,Texas
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