> [1] Did trappers ever carry anything resembling an "Apostle belt" that
> contained set charges and
>
> [2] To what extent, if any, were pounch horns used.
In my reading I can not remember anything that would make me believe that
RMFT prepared loads in advance of need.
I am not sure what a pounch horn is but I will try to answer anyway.
We are somewhat limited to our knowledge of what a trapper carried to what
shows in the art work. Which is a simple bag of leather or fabric and a
single horn. These were carried in different ways. I do believe that
Miller discribed the contents of a typical trappers bag but my ability to
look it up is hampered right know. Perhaps someone else could look it up
for you.
If someone can prove any of this wrong I wont be offended but I believe it
to be generally accurarate.
Wynn Ormond
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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:30:04 -0700
From: "Wynn Ormond" <oci@pcu.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Coyotes
Can anyone tell me a little about the habits of coyotes. Not the Crazy Cyot
kind but the other ones. ;)
Specifically how long the pups stay with the adult/s?
Does the male help raise the pups?
And other than this unit I have been lead to believe they are solitary and
not social so is it somewhat safe to say that a group together are probably
a family group?
Any other fun things to watch for this time of year with them?
Thanks
Wynn Ormond
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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 19:50:07 EST
From: SWzypher@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Coyotes
In a message dated 12/4/02 5:34:31 PM, oci@pcu.net writes:
<< Can anyone tell me a little about the habits of coyotes. Not the Crazy
Cyot
kind but the other ones. ;) >>
I know the mothers are VERY good mothers and yotees make great pets, but you
must allow they are still wild animals even if you get them before their eyes
open and you are their adopted parent. They love to be petted and if you pet
them and play with them and start to walk away before THEY are through, they
will grab you by the leg with their mouth to hold you (what is their other
option? none).
Ours would sometimes grown and snarl with their mouth half open and their lip
curled but I would just love him - put my hand right in his mouth and then
rub the curl out of his lip. All he ever wanted was caring. Later I learned
from our pet wolves that once they accept you as an equal they will not have
you look down on them. They insist on eyeball to eyeball contact. If you do
not come down to their level, they will jump up to yours. Haveing 125 pounds
of wolf jump up and put his paws on your shoulders so he can look directly
into your eyes is a bit of a shock for people who are not expecting it. I
don't know if coyotes are of the same disposition.
Warning: once you let these animals into your life you are all through with
hunting and trapping them and you find that you shun those that do. For
those who argue: "they are preditors and they kill sheep . . . " I ask, "who
was here first?"
Most sincerely
Richard James
Richard James
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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:33:08 -0700 (MST)
From: <beaverboy@sofast.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Coyotes
Wynn,
The coyote can be solitary but prefers to hunt in groups as he can
take much larger game this way. They are a very sociable animal and have a
language in howls and barks that the informed hunter understands and can
use to his advantage. They seem to hunt in groups mostly at night under
the cover of darkness (like most sinister characters) then when daylight
comes they split up to find a safe place to hide and rest. At dusk they
howl to locate each other and the fun begins once more but not for the
deer and other animals they prey on. They hunt the young of many animals,
how noble! They will kill for the fun of it and I donÆt mean just sheep
either. They are also a stinky, flea bitten animal. The coyote is the one
animal I have absolutely no sympathy for, though I have much respect for
them and their skill in staying alive. I have trapped and hunted them for
20 years in Missouri, Wyoming and Montana and trapping a coyote is the
greatest challenge of the trapper, second only to pinching a wolf.
I have seen both male fox and male coyotes help raise the young. The
pups normally strike out on their own in the fall. You know when the
dispersion takes place as you see a lot of fox pups smucked on the roads.
Coyotes rut around February and are very active then. Seeing them is best
in the mornings or evenings of course but I have better luck at dusk as
they must be hungry for breakfast. The best time to hunt or observe them
is during bitter cold weather. The colder the better as a coyote can only
keep warm by hunting and moving about during these cold spells. Their
appetite then has been the downfall of many a coyote. I have hunted them
many times at midnight during a full moon when it is -20 below,with snow
on the ground and let me tell you this, they ainÆt expecting to see a
human then. To call in a coyote anytime and beat him at his own game is a
real thrill.
I have bought thousands of coyotes and have seen them missing just
about every body part and still they are healed up and doing fine. I
bought one that had both rear legs cut off mid thigh and yet they were
healed and callused over and he was not skinny. IÆve heard of one found
missing its lower jawbone and yet it survived! Its not doubt they will be
one of the last critters on this earth unfortunately for them the trapper
is the second toughest animal alive and weÆll be there to keep him in line.
To Mr. James, with all respect, I know people who have raised many
wild animals and continue to hunt and trap them and still love them. I
love my wife's dogs and they love me as they get to smell and see all the
dead critters I bring home and they must think I'm Alpha Dog! IÆve had a
few wild animals for pets when I was younger but now I think raising wild
critters is unnatural and not good for the animal. The best wildlife
biologist I know is a trapper and he got his masters degree by not only
studying animals in college but by trapping them in the Montana hills.
Thank God he works for the Montana Fish & Game as he is a huge proponent
of the trapper here in Montana and I can tell you he loves all the
wildlife he's hired to protect. He and I have trampled many traplines
together and I know he LOVES all the animals he's after. I love coyotes!
I love to see them and hear them howl at night, I love to see them turn
around in thier skin when they know they've been fooled, I love to call
them in and drop them in their tracks, and I love see them in my trap when
I drive up. My life would be less without my old nemesis, the coyote.
That old worn out phrase, ôthey were here before usö is just that,
worn out. WeÆre here now and Mr. Coyote had better behave himself and keep
a low profile or hunters and trappers will make him behave.
Sincerely,
Beaverboy
> Can anyone tell me a little about the habits of coyotes. Not the Crazy
> Cyot kind but the other ones. ;)
>
> Specifically how long the pups stay with the adult/s?
>
> Does the male help raise the pups?
>
> And other than this unit I have been lead to believe they are solitary
> and not social so is it somewhat safe to say that a group together are
> probably a family group?
>
> Any other fun things to watch for this time of year with them?
>
> Thanks
> Wynn Ormond
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 22:28:47 -0700
From: Allen Hall <allenhall@srv.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Coyotes
At 05:30 PM 12/4/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>Any other fun things to watch for this time of year with them?
>
>Thanks
>Wynn Ormond
Your front sight!
Allen
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Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 22:28:48 -0700
From: Allen Hall <allenhall@srv.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re-smoking hides
Hello the list,
Been kinda quiet around here.......
Any you folks had any luck re-smoking brain tan once it's made into clothing?
Just interested. I smoked 3 deer hides the other day, and figured maybe my
frock coat could use a little refresh on it's color....
Looking forward to the replies.
Allen in Fort Hall country
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:45:49 EST
From: TrapRJoe@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Coyotes
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As for which came first. The best I can tell, about the same time. With in
a day of each other.
TrapRJoe
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Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 07:35:48 -0700
From: Ole Jensen <olebjensen@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re-smoking hides
on 12/4/02 10:28 PM, Allen Hall at allenhall@srv.net wrote:
> Hello the list,
>
> Been kinda quiet around here.......
>
> Any you folks had any luck re-smoking brain tan once it's made into clothing?
>
> Just interested. I smoked 3 deer hides the other day, and figured maybe my
> frock coat could use a little refresh on it's color....
>
> Looking forward to the replies.
>
> Allen in Fort Hall country
>
>
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Allen,
I have done it with a couple of outfits, I took an old galvanized garbage
can and hung the garment inside. I then ran the smoke into the chamber for
about 2 hours then I removed the garment and turned it upside down and
repeated the process for another 2 hours. I used fruit wood which gave it a
mellow color.
Ole
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