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Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1098
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hist_text-digest Wednesday, October 23 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1098
In this issue:
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: need a bag mold
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: need a bag mold
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: need a bag mold
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: need a bag mold
-áááááá MtMan-List: Bush --- Indian Land---OT ???
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Bush --- Indian Land---OT ???
-áááááá MtMan-List:Gun control
-áááááá MtMan-List: Gun Control
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Bush --- Indian Land---OT ???
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Bush --- Indian Land---OT ???
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Bush --- Indian Land---OT ???
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: need a bag mold
-áááááá MtMan-List: Ribbon Quote
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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 20:03:35 -0400
From: "Double Edge Forge" <deforge1@bright.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: need a bag mold
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From: Lanney Ratcliff=20
To: AMM=20
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Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 7:50 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: need a bag mold
Ho the list
My neighbor and AMM brother Steve Maples is looking for a bag mold in =
.648 to .650. Anybody got one for sale or trade?
Lanney Ratcliff
lanneyratcliff@charter.net
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Aux Aliments du Pays
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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 21:21:59 -0400
From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@citynet.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: need a bag mold
Log Cabin Shop has them..... Can't find a web address for them.... Out
of Lodi. OH.
Regards,
Ad
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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 21:13:58 -0500
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <lanneyratcliff@charter.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: need a bag mold
Thanks Ad
I looked it up and found this address for their online catalog:
http://www.logcabinshop.com/catalog/catmain.html
Lanney
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From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@citynet.net>
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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: need a bag mold
> Log Cabin Shop has them..... Can't find a web address for them.... Out
> of Lodi. OH.
>
> Regards,
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> Ad
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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 20:55:34 -0700
From: Alan Avery <aravery@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: need a bag mold
"...Log Cabin Shop has them..... Can't find a web address for them.... Out
of Lodi. OH..."
Try: www.logcabinshop.com they show the Rapine bag molds, (which are
good'uns) at $59.95. I have several that I would be willing to part with,
but not that calibre.
Black Knife
Ni H'eibhneas gan Chlainn Domhnaill
"Per Mare - Per Terras"
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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 07:40:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: George Noe <gnoe39@yahoo.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Bush --- Indian Land---OT ???
Thought there are some Native Americans on these list
that might be interested.
Sorry if it is not a propper listing.
grn
http://www.indianz.com/News/show.asp?ID=2002/09/26/trust
> Bush proposal to take 'unclaimed' Indian land
THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 26, 2002
The Bush administration has drafted legislation to
take "unclaimed" land
belonging to individual Indian beneficiaries whom the
Department of Interior
cannot locate. In an effort to reduce the complex
division of the trust land
base and reduce management boondoggles, Secretary Gale
Norton can claim
"abandoned" Indian property under the bill. Although a
key duty of a trustee
is to keep current information about beneficiaries,
the proposal would allow
the government to skirt this requirement.
For example, Individual Indian Money (IIM) account
holders who don't respond
to a public notice of unclaimed land would lose their
rights.But Norton can
forego an announcement if the department believes the
land is worth less
than $50, according to a provision in the draft. The
bill places the burden
on beneficiaries despite the fact that in some cases,
the department doesn't
have a full name, address or other key data for land
owners. In quarterly
reports to a federal court overseeing the debacle,
officials admit they will
never be able to locate every individual
Indian. "It is unrealistic to assume that, at any
given time, there would be
zero account holders whose whereabouts are unknown
given
the volume of accounts under management," the most
recent report stated. At
least 63,000 American Indians and Alaska Natives
who have an interest in 11 million acres of land would
be affected by the
proposal. Additional owners are also impacted due to
the increased
fractionation of the Indian estate.
The proposal is still in the early stages of
development but at a meeting
today in Washington, D.C., department officials plan
to float the idea as an
amendment to a bill pending in Congress. Copies have
already been
distributed to tribal leaders and Indian
advocates.Keith Harper, an attorney
for the non-profit NativeAmerican Rights Fund,called
the bill a disaster.
His group represents 500,000 American Indians whose
billion-dollar trust is
at the heart of the largest class action in government
history. "This is
unconstitutional on its face," he said. "This is the
most clear
demonstration of bad faith yet." A department
spokesperson could not comment
on the draft. "I don't know anything about it," said
Dan DuBray. He noted
that land management issues will be addressed at the
meeting of the trust
reform task force. Fractionation results when Indian
owners pass on property
to their descendants. The land gets divided up among
dozens and dozens of
heirs, increasing the cost and management of IIM
accounts. Efforts to manage
the problem, however, have not been successful.
Indian beneficiaries have gone all the way to the
Supreme Court to protest
the unconstitutional taking of their land. They
secured two key victories
that forced the government to scrap land laws. The
issue is touchy because
it reminds some of a destructive Indian
policy.Assistant Secretary Neal
McCaleb in January addressed the issue with tribal
leaders and said he
doesn't want to "terminate" Indian rights. "I used the
t-word and I wish I
hadn't," he said. "That's not what I'm advocating."
Under a Bureau of Indian
Affairs program to reduce fractionation, Indian owners
can voluntarily have
their land transferred to a tribe. But their IIM
accounts are closed and,
under the Bush administration's historical accounting
plan, these owners are
not a top priority. Indian leaders already voiced
opposition to another
trust reform bill designed to address the same issue.
The legislation,
S.1340, limits Indian allotments to tribal members,
leading to fears of a
reduction in trust holdings. Today's meeting will
discuss possible
amendments. Adding to the tension is a growing
sentiment that the views of
individual Indians are often overlooked in favor of
tribal leaders who might
not share the same priorities. In another court
report, Larry Scrivner of
the BIA's
> Office of Trust Responsibilities, said "internal
problems are being
> created between the Indian tribe and the individual
owners"
> by land fractionation programs "and may be
detrimental to the individual
Indian owners." "I don't think anyone has asked the
IIM
> beneficiaries," said Paul Homan, a former Interior
official who was tapped
to reform the trust but left after his powers were
limited by the Clinton
administration. "The only people that are representing
them today in the
federal government seems to be Judge [Royce]
Lamberth," he added,referring
to the federal judge overseeing the IIM lawsuit.
> Relevant Documents: Draft of Unclaimed Property
Proposal | S.1340: A
> bill to amend the Indian Land Consolidation Act
Copyright ) Indianz.Com
2000-2002.
*************
Pamela J. Kingfisher
Indigenous Women's Network
13621 FM 2769
Austin, TX 78726
512-258-3880 office
512-288-6003 direct
512-258-1858 fax
=====
George R. Noe< gnoe39@yahoo.com >
Watch your back trail, and keep your eyes on the skyline.
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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:11:37 +0000
From: "scott mcmahon" <mountedranger@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bush --- Indian Land---OT ???
Bush is just following in the footsteps of two Texas heroes... Andy "By God"
Jackson and Maribeau B. Lamar.
Dios, Libertad y Tejas
Scott McMahon
S.W. Frontiers Mntd. Ranging Co.
"Hays's Rangers have come, their appearance never to be forgotten. Not any
sort of uniforms, but well mounted and doubly well armed: each man has one
or two Colt's revolvers besides ordinary pistols, a sword, and every man a
rifle....The Mexicans are terribly afraid of them."
General Ethan Allen Hitchcock
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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:16:47 EDT
From: MarkLoader@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List:Gun control
Thought you might like this
Roadkill
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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:17:55 EDT
From: MarkLoader@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: Gun Control
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This is a pretty cool comeback.........
>> >
>> > Regardless of how you feel about gun laws you gotta
>> > love this one.
>> >
>> > Listening to the radio the other day, I heard one of
>> > the all-time best
>> > comeback lines in my life.
>> >
>> > Note: This is an exact
>> > replication of
>> > National
>> > Public Radio (NPR) interview between a fem*le
>> > broadcaster,and US Army
>> > General Reinwald who was about to sponsor a B*y Scout
>> > Troop visiting
>> > his
>> > military installation.
>> >
>> > FEMALE INTERVIEWER: So, General Reinwald, what things
>> > are you going to
>> > teach these young b*ys when they visit your base?
>> >
>> > GENERAL REINWALD: We're going to teach them climbing,
>> > canoeing,
>> > archery,
>> > and shooting.
>> >
>> > FEM*LE INTERVIEWER: Shooting? That's a bit
>> > irresponsible, isn't it?
>> >
>> > GENERAL REINWALD: I don't see why, they'll be properly
>> > supervised on
>> > the
>> > rifle range.
>> >
>> > FEM*LE INTERVIEWER: Don't you admit that this is a
>> > terribly dangerous
>> > activity to be teaching children?
>> >
>> > GENERAL REINWALD: I don't see how. We will be teaching
>> > them proper
>> > rifle
>> > discipline before they even touch a firearm.
>> >
>> > FEM*LE INTERVIEWER: But you're equipping them to
>> > become violent
>> > killers.
>> >
>> > GENERAL REINWALD: Well, you're equipped to be a
>> > prostitute, but you're
>> > not one, are you?
>> >
>> > The radio went silent and the interview ended. And all
>> > I could think
>> > was,
>> > GO ARMY!
Roadkill
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2><I>-------Original Message-------</I><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
This is a pretty cool comeback.........<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>> ><BR>
>> > Regardless of how you feel about gun laws you gotta<BR>
>> > love this one.<BR>
>> ><BR>
>> > Listening to the radio the other day, I heard one of<BR>
>> > the all-time best<BR>
>> > comeback lines in my life.<BR>
>> ><BR>
>> > Note: This is an exact<BR>
>> > replication of<BR>
>> > National<BR>
>> > Public Radio (NPR) interview between a fem*le<BR>
>> > broadcaster,and US Army<BR>
>> > General Reinwald who was about to sponsor a B*y Scout<BR>
>> > Troop visiting<BR>
>> > his<BR>
>> > military installation.<BR>
>> ><BR>
>> > FEMALE INTERVIEWER: So, General Reinwald, what things<BR>
>> > are you going to<BR>
>> > teach these young b*ys when they visit your base?<BR>
>> ><BR>
>> > GENERAL REINWALD: We're going to teach them climbing,<BR>
>> > canoeing,<BR>
>> > archery,<BR>
>> > and shooting.<BR>
>> ><BR>
>> > FEM*LE INTERVIEWER: Shooting? That's a bit<BR>
>> > irresponsible, isn't it?<BR>
>> ><BR>
>> > GENERAL REINWALD: I don't see why, they'll be properly<BR>
>> > supervised on<BR>
>> > the<BR>
>> > rifle range.<BR>
>> ><BR>
>> > FEM*LE INTERVIEWER: Don't you admit that this is a<BR>
>> > terribly dangerous<BR>
>> > activity to be teaching children?<BR>
>> ><BR>
>> > GENERAL REINWALD: I don't see how. We will be teaching<BR>
>> > them proper<BR>
>> > rifle<BR>
>> > discipline before they even touch a firearm.<BR>
>> ><BR>
>> > FEM*LE INTERVIEWER: But you're equipping them to<BR>
>> > become violent<BR>
>> > killers.<BR>
>> ><BR>
>> > GENERAL REINWALD: Well, you're equipped to be a<BR>
>> > prostitute, but you're<BR>
>> > not one, are you?<BR>
>> ><BR>
>> > The radio went silent and the interview ended. And all<BR>
>> > I could think<BR>
>> > was,<BR>
>> > GO ARMY!<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Roadkill</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:42:22 -0400
From: Wahkahchim@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bush --- Indian Land---OT ???
Whatis the Southwest Frontiers Mounted Ranging Company?
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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 19:46:54 +0000
From: "scott mcmahon" <mountedranger@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bush --- Indian Land---OT ???
Whatis the Southwest Frontiers Mounted Ranging Company?
We're a living history organization that portrays the Texas Rangers under
Jack Hays' command during the 1840's(Republic of Texas and Mexican Wars). We
mainly do period scouts on private land in South Texas along the Nueces
strip and the South end of the Hill Country.
Dios, Libertad y Tejas
Scott McMahon
S.W. Frontiers Mntd. Ranging Co.
"Hays's Rangers have come, their appearance never to be forgotten. Not any
sort of uniforms, but well mounted and doubly well armed: each man has one
or two Colt's revolvers besides ordinary pistols, a sword, and every man a
rifle....The Mexicans are terribly afraid of them."
General Ethan Allen Hitchcock
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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 20:32:58 EDT
From: Wahkahchim@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bush --- Indian Land---OT ???
<PRE>Sounds like fun!
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Date: 21 Oct 2002 21:07:19 -0600
From: Phyllis and Don Keas <pdkeas@market1.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: need a bag mold
I could use one in 54 caliber, Don Keas
On Sunday, October 20, 2002 5:50 PM, Lanney Ratcliff <lanneyratcliff@=
charter.net> wrote:
>
>Ho the list
>My neighbor and AMM brother Steve Maples is looking for a bag
>mold in .648 to .650.=A0 Anybody got one for sale or trade?
>=A0
>Lanney Ratcliff
>lanneyratcliff@charter.net
>______________________________________________________________
>Aux Aliments du Pays
>
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:49:40 -0600
From: "Wynn Ormond" <oci@pcu.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Ribbon Quote
I blamed N Whitman for a quote when I asked about ribbon last week. it was
actually from the German Doctor. Here it is if anybody is interested.
WY
F A Wislizenas Journey to the Rocky Mountains 1939
Pg 22
The next morning (June 14th), we left camp in good humor, for the crotchety
master of human crotchets, I mean the weather, smiled on us; and the
vicinity of Fort Laramie, but sixteen miles distant, promised us a speedy
meeting with human beings. Before we reached the fort, we encountered the
first "pale faces" we had seen since our departure from Missouri. They were
French Canadians, clad half Indian fashion in leather, and scurrying along
on their ponies, bedight with bells and gay ribbons, as if intent to storm
some battery. Old acquaintances greeted each other, question piled on
question; and each briefly told, in Canadian patois, the adventures he had
been through. Meanwhile we came in view of the fort.
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