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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:40:38 EDT
From: SWzypher@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ft. Bridger
In a message dated 8/21/02 3:50:31 AM, sbanks@wyoming.com writes:
<< It was around that time when the Sec./treasurer absconded with the funds
and paper work or so the tale was told >>
I had that job of Chief Purser until the early '80s, then a guy from Kentucky
took over. I know there was no absconding during my time, but there was a
lot of malicious rumor-mongering going on at that time. I have never yet
found the source of it but I know who some were that were involved. About
that time there was another fellow - Rusty Sargent - whom I processed and who
recently died. They cannot find any trace of his records, either and have
decided to re-issue him a number, post mortum. It seems like the nastiest of
people are in politics and manage to mess up what ever they can if they feel
it is to their own benefit.
Bridger will be a chore this year. My truck was in for repairs and now it is
back together is blowing water into the oil. I have a loaner but it has very
limited capacity so I will have to make two trips just to set up (106 miles
each way). Same to get home. This is complicated by the loaner making
"funny sounds". We'll try it, though. Looking forward to seeing you there.
Dick James
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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:49:01 EDT
From: SWzypher@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: MtMan-List: nose rings
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In a message dated 8/21/02 4:28:43 AM, longbutt@hotmail.com writes:
<< did mountain men use nose or ear rings ?>>
Why would they? or Why would they not? They were just people who came to
the mountains to work and did not subscribe to any particular costuming. Now
there were French Voyageurs who were a little more social that were reported
to have worn them. Remember ONE ear ring only - and that in the left ear.
Seems they discovered early the cock on a recoiling firelock would catch an
ear ring and bend it badly. Didn't do much good for the ear, either.
Richard James
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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 00:57:22 EDT
From: Hawkengun@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: conflict with missionaries
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Try Fred Gowans' ROCKY MOUNTAIN RENDEZVOUS, BYU Press, 1976, for first-hand
accounts of what the missionaries thought of the mountain men and their
behavior during the annual rendezvous'.
John R. Sweet
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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:39:04 -0500
From: "Michael F. Clark" <bmcclark@earthlink.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Big Muddy Adventures, Ruskey and Clark Expedition
Greetings all;
I recently joined this great listserv as a result of my research regarding
the Mountain Men and the Fur Trade. That research is background information
for a very exciting endeavor. I will be paddling a dugout canoe (made of a
cottonwood tree) with my partner John Ruskey, "The Riverman". We will be
following the Lewis and Clark river trail (with a couple of notable
exceptions) from the Three Forks to the confluence here in St. Louis. We
begin in latter September.
We have a great partnership formed with the Lewis and Clark Expedition
Project at the University of Montana. This is not a personal/pleasure
expedition. It is a learning adventure. My "Big Muddy Adventures" Project
is a series of expeditions by canoe down each of the major waterways that
comprise the Mississippi river basin. Last fall, I completed the
Mississippi River (Lake Itasca to the Gulf of Mexico), this fall, the
Missouri, in the spring Lake Michigan to St. Louis via the Illinois, then
the Arkansas, the Wisconsin, the Ohio and so on. I connect with the world
using a laptop, and various other tech gizmos and provide daily updates onto
the web sites created for each expedition. Again, these updates and all of
the lessons, activities and interaction that occurs is dedicated to teachers
and students.
My purpose in sending this message is to inquire if any of y'all are
interested in acting as "Experts" to address the questions of school
children that will be exploring with us. They of course will be doing it in
virtual fashion by logging on to the web site which has their virtual
classroom, The Big Muddy Schoolhouse. If you would like to participate, let
me know. The "Ask an Expert" Feature of the Big Muddy Schoolhouse is a
wonderful way for students to do research and learn to appreciate that
history lives!
The Ruskey and Clark Expedition web site is http://www.ruskeyandclark.com
The Mississippi River Expedition web site is
http://www.bigmuddyadventure.com
Once again I thank you for allowing me to participate in this list serve and
to discover the amazing history of westward expansion.
michael f. clark
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http://www.bigmuddyadventure.com
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Phone: 1-314-647-5552
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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:02:22 -0600
From: Mike Moore <amm1616@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: conflict with missionaries
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Judy,
There are a few books give accounts of the missionaries,
some of which are good and some are bad. Here are a few
I'd recommend besides the ones mentioned:
"A Journal of An Exploring Tour beyond the Rocky Mountains",
Samuel Parker. (A 1838 missionary account of his travels in the
west and on to Hawaii and around the cape horn. Very honest
on his feelings.) By Idaho state hist. society
"Where Wagons Could Go" and "The Mountains We have Crossed"
by Clifford Drury, a collection of letters and writings from the
missionary women during the fur trade. Tells of in fighting,
disagreements, successes, etc... Bison books.
Tell your author friend that alot of small things can be gleaned
from the rendezvous accounts, since that was where most of the
trappers and western travelers met these men and their wives.
But to find alot on this subject, you will need to do some reading.
Things like not wanting to pack their animals every day, paying
others
to stand their guard shift at night, many other events will need to be
pulled out and compared to what over say about the same event.
mike.
judy@wildwords.net wrote:
> Can anyone direct me to any books or other resources that describe the
> conflict between mountain men and the missionaries in the
> 1800's? Thank you -- I am doing research for an author. Judy
> McHalewww.wildwords.net
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Judy,
<br> There are a few books give accounts of the missionaries,
<br>some of which are good and some are bad. Here are a few
<br>I'd recommend besides the ones mentioned:
<br>"A Journal of An Exploring Tour beyond the Rocky Mountains",
<br>Samuel Parker. (A 1838 missionary account of his travels in the
<br>west and on to Hawaii and around the cape horn. Very honest
<br>on his feelings.) By Idaho state hist. society
<p>"Where Wagons Could Go" and "The Mountains We have Crossed"
<br>by Clifford Drury, a collection of letters and writings from the
<br>missionary women during the fur trade. Tells of in fighting,
<br>disagreements, successes, etc... Bison books.
<br> Tell your author friend that alot of small things
can be gleaned
<br>from the rendezvous accounts, since that was where most of the
<br>trappers and western travelers met these men and their wives.
<br>But to find alot on this subject, you will need to do some reading.
<br> Things like not wanting to pack their animals every
day, paying others
<br>to stand their guard shift at night, many other events will need to
be
<br>pulled out and compared to what over say about the same event.
<br>
mike.
<p>judy@wildwords.net wrote:
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Can anyone direct me to any books
or other resources that describe the conflict between mountain men and
the missionaries in the 1800's? Thank you -- I am doing research for
an author. Judy McHale<a href="http://www.wildwords.net">www.wildwords.net</a></blockquote>
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:17:39 -0400
From: "Double Edge Forge" <deforge1@bright.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Plug Bayonet
Sorry for the interruption. Just put a plug bayonet on the site, for you
military types that like to turn your fine firelock into a spear..<G>
http://www.bright.net/~deforge1
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