Sounds like you might have one of the well-known 'Tower' pistol.
Boatloads of these were imported and sold, many by Dixie. The frizzens were
never good.
And by smoothing down yours you, no doubt, removed what face hardening
might have been there. Not a big deal.
You need to (or have done) reharden the frizzen face. I recenlty did one
with Hawk's method. If I describe it wrong, I'm sure Hawk will jump in with
a correction.
First, get the face smooth.
Hold the frizzen face up by the screw lug, using a vice just tight
enough to hold it. Place a can or pot of water directly underneath.
Use an oil like motor oil and spread on the frizzen face. Then sprinkle
a good coating of Kasenit on that. You can get it from Brownell's or you
local gun shop. (a $20 can will last a couple lifetimes)
Using a good torch (propane, mapp, acetelyne) heat from below until the
whole frizzen face glows almost white.
Then QUICKLY release the vice so the frizzen falls into the water while
still glowing hot. You will hear a loud pop. Let cool, remove and clean.
Use. Will spark fine.
Another way, without Kasenit, that might or might not work. Is to hold
the frizzen by the lug with long nosed pliers in one hand. Use the torch on
the face until it is almost white glowing hot, then plunge into a can of
motor oil and swirl around until cooled. (do outside, makes stinky smoke.
unless you are single, then it is ok to do in living room :-) ) Depending
on steel in frizzen, it might be ok with that, if not you wasted your time.
Frank G. Fusco
Mountain Home, Arkansas
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders
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Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:00:31 -0500
From: "Frank Fusco" <Rifleman1776@centurytel.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: my Jaeger rifle
Concho said,
<I'm surprised Frank stood for all the trouble. >
Chonco
I'm surprised at me too. There were more faults with that rifle than
Hawk listed. I dubbed it the "disaster Jager". Nothing, and I mean nothing
was right with it.
Another surprise. I am an experienced ml shooter and know a good rifle
from bad. I looked at and handled several others this guy built before
giving him the go-ahead (and money). The others looked fine. They did not
hold perfectly true to historical lines but were otherwise, apparently, OK.
I guess, two things contributed to my not feeding this thing to him from
the back end. I am getting older and more temperate in my treatment of
fellow man than in younger years.
Also, I concluded that this guy was not trying to cheat me, he is simply
stupider than a stump. Talk would not have changed anything. He probably did
his best. Which was crap. I cried a lot but never really got angry.
I have built a few rifles but nowhere near do I consider myself a
builder. I know what to do but cannot translate that into what happens with
my hands. That is a talent I do not possess. However, in my clutziness I
could have done much better than the original 'builder'. Oh, well. Life goes
on.
What Hawk did is beautiful. The new Jaeger is a work of art. We used
only the barrel, triggers and furniture for the new one. All else, lock,
wood, sights, inlays and, of course the talent and artistry, is all new.
Frank G. Fusco
Mountain Home, Arkansas
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders
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Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 18:16:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: HuntingRidge@webtv.net (Hunting Ridge)
Subject: MtMan-List: The Frontier in 1702 ?
Good Evening to all! I was wondering if anyone out there knows where the
Frontier line was drawn in 1702 ? Thanks !
Your Obedient Servant As Ever,
M.A.Smith Esq.
Colony of Maryland
Hunting Ridge
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Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:55:37 -0700
From: "Daniel L. "Concho" Smith" <hrd7@lycos.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: sparkless frizzen
Hey Frank,
He needs a frizzen shoe like Russ Hamns use to offer until someone complained that they glowed at night, Oh well. They would sure throw some sparks.
Since then, we have used a piece of wide hacksaw blade and sweat it on the face of the bad frizzen, like Hamns material was installed, works pretty good, but doesn't have that pretty glow.
Concho [HRD]
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On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:55:47
Frank Fusco wrote:
>Gray Bear
> Sounds like you might have one of the well-known 'Tower' pistol.
>Boatloads of these were imported and sold, many by Dixie. The frizzens were
>never good.
> And by smoothing down yours you, no doubt, removed what face hardening
>might have been there. Not a big deal.
> You need to (or have done) reharden the frizzen face. I recenlty did one
>with Hawk's method. If I describe it wrong, I'm sure Hawk will jump in with
>a correction.
> First, get the face smooth.
> Hold the frizzen face up by the screw lug, using a vice just tight
>enough to hold it. Place a can or pot of water directly underneath.
> Use an oil like motor oil and spread on the frizzen face. Then sprinkle
>a good coating of Kasenit on that. You can get it from Brownell's or you
>local gun shop. (a $20 can will last a couple lifetimes)
> Using a good torch (propane, mapp, acetelyne) heat from below until the
>whole frizzen face glows almost white.
> Then QUICKLY release the vice so the frizzen falls into the water while
>still glowing hot. You will hear a loud pop. Let cool, remove and clean.
>Use. Will spark fine.
> Another way, without Kasenit, that might or might not work. Is to hold
>the frizzen by the lug with long nosed pliers in one hand. Use the torch on
>the face until it is almost white glowing hot, then plunge into a can of
>motor oil and swirl around until cooled. (do outside, makes stinky smoke.
>unless you are single, then it is ok to do in living room :-) ) Depending
>on steel in frizzen, it might be ok with that, if not you wasted your time.
>Frank G. Fusco
>Mountain Home, Arkansas
>http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders
>
>
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Squire Smith wrote:
Good Evening to all! I was wondering if anyone out there knows where the
Frontier line was drawn in 1702 ? Thanks !
Your Obedient Servant As Ever,
M.A.Smith Esq.
Colony of Maryland
Hunting Ridge
I went to Google.....the best search engine I know of... and entered a
search for "1702 map" and got several hits that might help you. Give it a
try.
Lanney Ratcliff
Republic of Texas
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Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:20:01 EDT
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> Good Evening to all! I was wondering if anyone out there knows where the
> Frontier line was drawn in 1702 ? Thanks !
>
> Your Obedient Servant As Ever,
> M.A.Smith Esq.
> Colony of Maryland
> Hunting Ridge
>
Depends on where you are. In NY (New Amsterdam) it was Albany Hudson Valley
any where west was 5 Nations territory. If you were French it was west of
Montreal. If you lived in Philly it was a little east of present day Ft
Frederic. If you were Russian it was east of Sitka.
So it is all a matter of were you were but in the eastern north america it
was east of the Appillahian Mts. (Bad spelling)
Y.M.O.S.
C.T. Oakes
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Good Evening to all! I was wondering if anyone out there knows where the
<BR>Frontier line was drawn in 1702 ? Thanks !
<BR>
<BR>Your Obedient Servant As Ever,
<BR> M.A.Smith Esq.
<BR> Colony of Maryland
<BR> Hunting Ridge
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<BR>
<BR>Depends on where you are. In NY (New Amsterdam) it was Albany Hudson Valley any where west was 5 Nations territory. If you were French it was west of Montreal. If you lived in Philly it was a little east of present day Ft Frederic. If you were Russian it was east of Sitka.
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<BR>So it is all a matter of were you were but in the eastern north america it was east of the Appillahian Mts. (Bad spelling)
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Thanks! And remember in the 18th and 19th cen. there was no bad spelling
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At Your Service,
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In a message dated 6/20/02 6:18:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
HuntingRidge@webtv.net writes:
> Good Evening to all! I was wondering if anyone out there knows where the
> Frontier line was drawn in 1702 ? Thanks !
>
> Your Obedient Servant As Ever,
> M.A.Smith Esq.
> Colony of Maryland
> Hunting Ridge
>
Depends on where you are. In NY (New Amsterdam) it was Albany Hudson Valley
any where west was 5 Nations territory. If you were French it was west of
Montreal. If you lived in Philly it was a little east of present day Ft
Frederic. If you were Russian it was east of Sitka.
So it is all a matter of were you were but in the eastern north america it
was east of the Appillahian Mts. (Bad spelling)
Y.M.O.S.
C.T. Oakes
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Good Evening to all! I was wondering if anyone out there knows where the
<BR>Frontier line was drawn in 1702 ? Thanks !
<BR>
<BR>Your Obedient Servant As Ever,
<BR> M.A.Smith Esq.
<BR> Colony of Maryland
<BR> Hunting Ridge
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
<BR>Depends on where you are. In NY (New Amsterdam) it was Albany Hudson Valley any where west was 5 Nations territory. If you were French it was west of Montreal. If you lived in Philly it was a little east of present day Ft Frederic. If you were Russian it was east of Sitka.
<BR>
<BR>So it is all a matter of were you were but in the eastern north america it was east of the Appillahian Mts. (Bad spelling)
