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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 23:19:55 EST
From: HikingOnThru@cs.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Gourds and Hawks
Depends on how fast you want them. If you can wait till spring, then go to
your local home & garden store and get some seeds and plant your own. Plant
them dang near anywhere and they will grow. If you want them to have rounded
bottoms then let the vines climb so they will hang (use a good strong support
cuz the green gourds can get up to ten or more pounds each with 5-12 on a
vine). If you want them flat then grow them sitting. Put them on something
to get them off the ground to minimize chance of water rot. The weight of
the gourd will flatten the bottom so it sits well. Ideal for bowls.
Stop watering about 3-4 weeks before harvest so they will start to dry. Lots
of good tips out there on the net.
Otherwise, go to the local farmer's market and see who is making "martin
houses" from gourds. Ask them for some dried gourds that are intact.
Usually it is not too pricey.
- -C.Kent
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 21:12:51 EST
From: JimInTexas1962@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Gourds and Hawks
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Cant help you with gords but as for hawks,find a JB brand and you got a
good'un! they run from $25.00 to $30.00 and are good quality
respectfully
Jim Branson
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 16:50:55 -0600
From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Gourds and Hawks and canteens and compasses
Donald,
Most functional is most often found in most authentic.
Most of the commercial (cheap) tomahawks are OK for throwing contests, not
much good for real work. Only a fool would throw away a good axe.
Get a good one from a smith who's done the research and who makes a good
product at a fair price. Dennis Miles is one of many good smiths I've
known, there's probably more than a score of us on this list that carry one
of his axes.
I don't have a source for gourds and such, as far as canteen size goes it
depends on how much you are willing to carry and how long it may be until
you find water again.
One quart is pretty minimal. On average where conservation isn't a big
concern I use about a gallon a day. Sometimes more if'n there's pretty
women in camp to wash up for.
Old mold blown glass bottles make excellent water jugs a quart is about the
largest practical size. Blanket or rawhide covers help limit
breakage. Mules can instantly stomp any canteen flat.
I've currently got a 1 gallon tinned copper canteen Rotten Randy made that
Padre sells regularly at a pretty good price. I've used up 4 one gallon
pie plate side blanket cover tin canteens over the years. A one gallon
canteen ain't much good for backpacking, but, this are mountain men.
The porcelain over steel foreign military canteens are great if the
porcelain inside hasn't started cracking off and breaking away, then they
get real nasty. I've not found one that the inner porcelain was intact.
During the period we study canteens weren't much used, they (the old
timers) could drink most any water they found, they (the trappers) followed
water to get where they were going. When they needed to transport water
they could make a carrier from the belly or bladder of one animal or
another. These have a fairly limited service life before they get skanky.
John...
Note: I've pretty much always carried a compass can't remember ever really
needing it.
At 09:15 AM 3/28/02, you wrote:
>Been lurking awhile.
>Can folks suggest a "reasonable" price source
>for gourds - bowls, dippers and canteen size.
>
>and tomahawks.??
>Blades for the hawks would be enough -
>I can make a handle.
>I would like functional use before authentic manufacture
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I
advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the Body, it gives
boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind . . . Let your gun
therefore be the constant companion of your walks."
- --Thomas Jefferson, Letter to his nephew Peter Carr, August 19, 1785.
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Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 17:33:43 EST
From: SWcushing@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: #114 Newhouse
In a message dated 3/28/02 2:10:59 PM, windwalker@fastmail.fm writes:
<< Ive got 14 dozen of them.. the ole style with teeth..... once trapped wolf
up north
Windwalker >>
Hey Windwalker.... What do you reckon them Newhouse 114's would sell for now?
I've got only one..(with teeth) but it's new...or at least never been used.
Magpie
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:12:25 -0500
From: "WindWalker" <windwalker@fastmail.fm>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: #114 Newhouse
Haven't checked Magpie.. Got a few straight Newhouse #14,s also.
Lord so much I still retain, I ought to go laying steel again.
Used alot of #330 Connibear for beaver up north..
And still have alot of ole hoop sticks.
Alot of mine I bought from Herters and Hudson Bay Co years ago
I just looked in shed. alot of the trap pans have "Hudson Bay" on them
Ya know 37 yrs ago , one could walk into Yellowknife , with a letter
of credit and walk out with a winters grubstake in hand...Not to be
repaid till spring.. Now I fear its a thing of the past on most ole ways.
Tried looking at a marbles brass compass now? that goes on lapel?
Or a Marbles hunting knife? Them days did shine..
Windwalker
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On 3/28/02 at 5:33 PM SWcushing@aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 3/28/02 2:10:59 PM, windwalker@fastmail.fm writes:
>
><< Ive got 14 dozen of them.. the ole style with teeth..... once trapped
>wolf
>up north
>Windwalker >>
>
>Hey Windwalker.... What do you reckon them Newhouse 114's would sell for
>now?
>I've got only one..(with teeth) but it's new...or at least never been=
used.
>
>Magpie
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:25:11 EST
From: HikingOnThru@cs.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Gourds and Hawks
In a message dated 3/29/02 1:30:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,
JimInTexas1962@aol.com writes:
<< Cant help you with gords but as for hawks,find a JB brand and you got a
good'un! they run from $25.00 to $30.00 and are good quality >>
I dunno if you have a local machine shop, but a I go to a flea market near my
home where a fellow who works in a machine shop sells stuff made from scrap
metal. I got a 'hawk that has the cutting edge of steel sandwiched in iron
in period style. I actually bought 3 - one that was "camp-axe" square and
another that is "squaw hawk" light and my most commonly used hawk in eastern
woodland style. Grand total for all three fitted with carved
handles....$27.00.
Sutlers are good, but you can save time, money and avoid the generic look
(that most of my group associates with nylon tents under a painters drop
tarp, t/c caplock hawkens, coleman coolers and red-wing boots at events).
Yours will be unique and you have to put a little effort and thinking into
acquiring your stuff.
I had to rummage through quite a number of vendors before finding this guy.
And now I have a contact who will make me stuff to my specs cheaper than I
can order hawks or knives. And he is interested in the occassional tidbit
about period styles of tools. Everyone benefits and lots of fun is had by
all!!!
- -C.Kent
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 06:09:52 -0700 (MST)
From: <beaverboy@sofast.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: #114 Newhouse
>
> In a message dated 3/28/02 2:10:59 PM, windwalker@fastmail.fm writes:
>
> << Ive got 14 dozen of them.. the ole style with teeth..... once
> trapped wolf up north
> Windwalker >>
>
> Hey Windwalker.... What do you reckon them Newhouse 114's would sell
> for now? I've got only one..(with teeth) but it's new...or at least
> never been used.
>
> Magpie
> 114 Newhouses are worth , in good shape, from $100-$125. I have bought
them for $50 before however. Generally used traps sell for the amount of
their size. A #1 for one dollar, a #4 for four dollars etc. Though you
would be lucky to get a good #4 for four dollars, these generally run from
$5-$15 a piece with $10. This method is used to establish a base price.
Rare or unusual traps of course go for much more. There are good trap
buying guides. Handforged origiinals came in no number sizes but weights
and can get very pricey. I've paid between $50.- $250 apiece for hand
forged traps! Used traps should always be seen before purchasing to avoid
buying worn out traps.
Sincerely, Greg
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 02:53:29 EST
From: LivingInThePast@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Gourds and Hawks
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In a message dated 3/28/2002 2:08:27 PM Pacific Standard Time,
drsimm@juno.com writes:
> Can folks suggest a "reasonable" price source for gourds - bowls, dippers
> and canteen size. and tomahawks.??
Try www.crazycrow.com. They have gourds, canteens, hawks and all type of
other accoutrements. Also, it would be appreciated by all if you'd give us
a small introduction of yourself and sign your posts. Thanks, Barney
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Can folks suggest a "reasonable" price source for gourds - bowls, dippers and canteen size. and tomahawks.??</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000a0" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"><B>Try www.crazycrow.com. They have gourds, canteens, hawks and all type of other accoutrements. Also, it would be appreciated by all if you'd give us a small introduction of yourself and sign your posts. Thanks, Barney<BR>
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 23:33:55 EST
From: JOAQUINQS@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: buffalo recipes
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I have been reviewing Montana-wyoming Buffalo company's buffalo meat, and
want to order some. My question to the list. What are your favorite meals
using buffalo meat. I would like some one pot possibly two item dishes. I
am thinking buffalo stew meat and wild rice and possible some stew, would
love you hear your favorite dishes.
Frank
Odessa,Texas
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">I have been reviewing Montana-wyoming Buffalo company's buffalo meat, and want to order some. My question to the list. What are your favorite meals using buffalo meat. I would like some one pot possibly two item dishes. I am thinking buffalo stew meat and wild rice and possible some stew, would love you hear your favorite dishes.<BR>
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 18:07:39 -0700 (MST)
From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com
Subject: MtMan-List: From: <beaverboy@sofast.net>
Windwalker
If you have 14 dozen #114 Newhouse traps in good shape, your sitting
on a lot of money. I personally would never sell a good trap.
I use #4's double long springs almost exclusively on beaver and otter.
I wish I had every Blake & Lamb #4 I could get my hands on. Victor #4's
are just fine on beaver and otter. I would never use any trap smaller than
a #4 on beaver or otter.
Marble's compasses and knives are being made again. Check
marblearms.com Original Marble's knive's, compasses, match safes etc can
still be purchased but can be pricey. Only a few die hard trappers know
about Marble's stuff. Different trapping era.
Beaverboy.
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:05:47 -0700
From: "Gretchen H. Ormond" <leona3@sourceoneinternet.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Youth Rifle
Mr Monty:
My sons are still too young to have purchased guns for but I have asked
around, knowing I will there some day. I will pass on this bit from a
father a passle of kids. He said that most rifle makers use the same
barrel outer size for 45, 50 or 54 caliber so the larger caliber just makes
the barrel lighter and the kick is not a whole lot different. The kick has
several factors but at light loads the amount of powder is pretty
significant. He suggested getting an older rifle and cutting the stock
down and possibly the barrel length.
He also let his kids shoot from rest until they could handle the weight of
the barrel. I personally like this idea even for older kids. I believe it
helps the shooter gain confidence in the rifle then they are better
prepared to shoot freehand.
For What its Worth
Wynn Ormond
p monty wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> I am wanting to give my son a muzzyloader for his B-day. He'll be 14
> and he's not real big. I think it needs to be a youth or ladies model.
> But I do want him to be able to shoot & hunt w/it for a few years.
> I am very open to suggestions and ideas or if anyone has one for sale
