<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I would consider it a favor if you would forward this message
<BR>directly to Mike Daly at Hodgdon. He truly believes that
<BR>Pyrodex has no faults and is superior to anything.
<BR>The sad thing is that Hodgdon used to market a dandy black powder made in Scotland years ago. Stumbled on to a can of it back at Dad's farm just before he sold out. I have NO idea how old this powder is, but it still shoots just fine! Mom used to mix it with cold cream for poison Ivy -- works, but I don't know the ratio she used. Thanks to her home remedies, I got to try this fine old powder!
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:13:41 -0800
From: Les Chaffin <chaflesl@onewest.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: computer art
Hello in camp!
I am doing some flyers for an up coming rendezvous. I was wondering if
there are some computer generated clip art of mountain men and other
thing related to this time in history.
Thanks
Les
Les Chaffin
Green River, Wyoming
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:47:09 -0700
From: James and Sue Stone <jandsstone@earthlink.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Pyrodex
Hi list,
This is my first posting to the list.
I shoot cap rifles and have used pyrodex in my .58 caliber
replica Enfield rifle musket. Like others on the list, I am not
perfect. but I do share the voiced low opinion of Pyrodex. I
consider myself able to hit the broad side of a barn with a
muzzle loader, assuming the muzzle loader is capped, and with the
BLACK POWDER first, then the ball. I can't guarantee I can do
the same with Pyrodex substituted for the black powder.
My limited experience with Pyrodex had to do with shooting to
sight in with Pyrodex in the heat of the day in August, then
using it to hunt during the muzzle loader season when the temp
was about zero degrees. There seemed to be enough variation in
the performance of Pyrodex at those temperature differences to
cause me to miss the broad side of a barn (figurative barn, of
course, I wouldn't think of vandalizing someone's property). I
now stick with black powder, period.
I was fortunate enough to be able to find someone who would take
the Pyrodex without charging me to take it (whew).
I faithfully tried Pyrodex in the first place because I was using
black powder in original mid 1800s muzzle loaders. New rust from
the black powder in the old rifles would break my heart; cleaning
could just not get enough powder residue out of all the pits in
the bore. I was excited that Pyrodex--then a new produce--was not
as corrosive. I eventually solved the problem of black powder
corrosion in the old rifles by not shooting them. Replica rifles
with nice, pit-free bores clean up nicely.
Sure, there are powders that are easier to clean up after than
black powder. Some of the more popular powders of the last
hundred years even come in pre-measured doses in self contained
devises with a primer on one end and a projectile on the other.
They even conveniently load through the breech of the firearm.
But if we wanted easy and convenient we wouldn't be shooting
muzzle loaders now, would we?
James
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:01:13 -0500
From: "Addison Miller" <admiller@citynet.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pyrodex
Been there... done that... won't use it either... and they can keep
the T-Shirt... I got almost a full "can" of it... anyone want it?
Regards,
Ad Miller
I will not shoot pyrodex out of any of my muzzleloaders, it just ain't
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:13:30 EST
From: LivingInThePast@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: computer art
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Les, Try www.clipart.com. There are zillions of free clip-art files and
links to another zillion. Barney
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT COLOR="#0000a0" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"><B>Les, Try www.clipart.com. There are zillions of free clip-art files and links to another zillion. Barney<BR>
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:58:20 -0600
From: jdearing <jdearing@brick.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Pyrodex
>
>I was fortunate enough to be able to find someone who would take
>the Pyrodex without charging me to take it (whew).
>
>I faithfully tried Pyrodex in the first place because I was using
>black powder in original mid 1800s muzzle loaders.
> I was excited that Pyrodex--then a new produce--was not
>as corrosive. I eventually solved the problem of black powder
>corrosion in the old rifles by not shooting them. Replica rifles
>with nice, pit-free bores clean up nicely.
I tried Pyrodex soon after it first came out. Couldn't shoot a group
at 50 yards with a gun that put 'em all on top of one another at the
same range shooting BP. Tried all sorts of different patch, ball, lube
combinations to get that gun to shoot with pyro, but to no avail.
Since I couldn't give it to anyone, al least not with a clear conscience,
I had to burn what was left of that container to get rid of it. I might
add that there weren't any inline shooters to give it to. ;-)
I seemed to have more of a problem with rust during that time I shot pyrodex
too. I suspect that pyro is MORE corrosive than BP.
J.D.
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 13:07:58 -0600
From: Monte Holder <sja028@mail.connect.more.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: geography of Across the Wide Missouri
The other day I was reading "Across the wide Missouri" and at the moment I can't
recall the author, but he said on p33 "Campbell mustered his party at Lexington
MO which is farther East than the usual jumping off places, Franklin,
Independence and eventually Westport." This would have been May 17th (or 11th,
I can't read what I wrote) 1833. Now I know this isn't a primary document, but
since I live not far from where Franklin once stood, I know that Lexington sure
isn't East of Franklin. Unless of course there is another Lexington that is (or
was) actually east of Franklin.
I was just wondering if anyone might know of a reason for what seems to me to be
a big geographical problem? Are there other such geographical discrepancies?
Monte Holder
Saline Co MO
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:17:31 EST
From: ThisOldFox@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pyrodex
>I got almost a full "can" of it... anyone want it?
Yeah Ad, I'll take it. How do you plan to ship it?
This whole thread always amuses me. Knocking Hodgdon for making Pyrodex is
like condemning all Chevrolets because they once produced the Vega. Maybe
his target market is not the type of guys who frequent these lists.
I use it in my BP shotguns and can shoot trap all day with nary a problem.
We use it at our Boy Scout Shooting weekend because it's easier/safer to
handle and the kids can shoot all day without fouling problems. Small bores
are supposed to be susceptible to fouling. These kids have fired my .36
using 2F Pyro and spit patches over 100 shots without swabbing the bore and
never experienced a misfire.
Pyrodex has its place and its uses, and performs well under those conditions.
However, if you carry it in a horn or keep it in extended storage, it will
glaze over and go bad. In many parts of the country, that's all the shooters
can get. At least it keeps them in the sport. Knocking it is just another
of those elitist things that cause division amongst shooters.
TOF
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:31:16 -0700
From: Joe Brandl <jbrandl@wyoming.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: louis & clark
question:
a local artist, who is quite good just finished a bronze and brought
it buy for me to look at. It is of Sacajawea and Pomp riding a large
horse on the return trip, they are going down Lehi Pass (I think).
The artist borrowed my wife's dress which is similar to the one David
Wright painted on a Shoshone women that was on the cover of
muzzleloader many years ago. thin rows of blue beads, two piece dress
etc. The artist has Pomp in front of her and she is sitting on some
type of saddle covered with a buffalo robe. The women's bare legs are
hanging down on each side and she has on moccasins, I did not look
close enough to see what style. Her hair is loose, she has on no
adornment. A leather tack belt encircles her waist, but no bags or
knife of any kind are attached. You can see some type of saddle that
looks like the cantle of a modern one, but could pass for a cantle of
a wood saddle or maybe if you stretch it, a pad saddle. There is a
single rope tied around the lower jaw which she is holding, Pomp is
wearing a simple leather shirt with a triangle bib. He has on leggins
and moccasins.
OK,
1. what kind of dress would she have been wearing coming from the west coast
2. Would she have been wrapped in a blanket around the waist as deemed proper
3. What kind of saddle if any might she of been riding.
4. What kind of horse, size etc
5. Any type of bridle
6. Moccasin type
7. What might of Pomp been wearing for clothing
8. Would her dress have any decoration on it, beads or quills or plain
9 A tacked leather belt, rawhide belt or no belt
10. Any knife, awl case, strike a light or any bags on belt
11. Hair loose or maybe braided or tied back
12. A buffalo hide over saddle or a wool blanket or what if anything
I have my own opinions but did not express them at the time as he was
quite excited about the bronze. B ut I was curious as for horse gear
they might of had.
I will forward any discussion to artist as he prides himself on
authenticity and commented on Clymers depiction of Sacajawea with a
cradleboard on the coast.
thanks in advance
joe brandl
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