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hist_text-digest        Wednesday, July 1 1998        Volume 01 : Number 096




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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:49:26 -0700
From: Chris Sega <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Makin' coffee

Henry B. Crawford wrote:

> With all the MM skills I have I still can't make a decent pot of coffee.

I too don't drink coffee regularly, but when I do I want it good.  To make a
good cup of coffee start at home.  Boil filtered, not tap water.  Always
measure how much water and how much coffee so you are consistent.  I buy
quality beans of the columbia supremo type and grind 1/4 cup of BEANS, not
grounds,  per 6 Oz. of water.  Dont grind the beans too finely or you will get
a lot of mud in the bottom of your cup. too coarse a grind will leave you with
weak coffee.  When your water boils take it off of the heat and add coffee.  If
you boil your coffee it will taste like crap.  Stir in the grounds and let it
steep off of the heat till it is as strong as you like it.  A splash of cold
water helps the grounds settle and you now have good coffee.  In cold weather
add enough heat to keep from cooling rapidly.  once you have it perfected at
home duplicate it when camping and all should go well.  Egg whites were added
to settle out the grounds, but that is just a good way to ruin your coffee if
you ask me.  So consistincy in measurement, Heat, and quality un chlorinated
water make good coffee.  By the way if you enjoy starbucks coffee (eeeych!)
Then you might want to boil your coffee a little

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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:19:49 -0500
From: "yellow rose/pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: moccasins

Settle a arguement for me. When did the so called hardsoled moccasins
become common? { Plains Indian style} It has  always been my understanding
that there were more reservation period. The documentation that I have
indicates that the sideseam, puckertoe, and centerseam mocs were much more
common even in the mountains.

Pendleton

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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 17:32:30 -0500
From: Bishnow <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: moccasins

yellow rose/pendleton wrote:
>
> Settle a arguement for me. When did the so called hardsoled moccasins
> become common? { Plains Indian style} It has  always been my understanding
> that there were more reservation period. The documentation that I have
> indicates that the sideseam, puckertoe, and centerseam mocs were much more
> common even in the mountains.
>
> Pendleton
Larry,
  Most of the research that I have done says that in the plains and
Rocky Mountain areas the sideseam and centerseam were common. Most of
the hard soul moc's prior to the rez. period were in Texas and the
rocky desert regions of the southwest. Hey, I figured you would
be in Idaho right now!!

Snakeshot

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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:57:14 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: IN MEMORIAM

IN MEMORIAM
ANTHONY R. MACLANE
"DANCES WITH WOOD"
JANUARY 25, 1934 - JUNE 30, 1998

THOUGHTS OF TONY

      To all my friends and family, some things I'd like to say.
 But first of all, I'll let you know, that I arrived okay.

      I'm sending this from heaven, where I dwell with God above.
 There's no more tears or sadness; Just eternal love.

The campfires glow so brightly; Tequila flows like water,
I'm still running into woodpiles, just like I know I oughta.

 Please do not be unhappy just because I'm out of sight.
 Remember that I am with you every morning, noon and night.

      That day I had to leave you when my rendezvous on earth was through.
 God picked me up and hugged me and He said, "I welcome you."

 "It's good to have you back again, you were missed while you were gone.
 As for your friends and family, They'll be here later on."

" I need you here badly, you're part of my plan.
 There's so much that we have to do, to help our mortal man."

      God gave me a list of things, that he wished for me to do.
 And foremost on the list, was to watch and care for you.

 And when you lie in bed at night the day's chores put to flight.
 God and I are closest to you....in the middle of the night.

      When you think of my life on earth, and all those crazy years.
 Because you are only human, they are bound to bring you tears.

 But do not be afraid to cry: it does relieve the pain.
 Remember there would be no flowers, unless there was some rain.

      I wish that I could tell you  all that God has planned.
 But if I were to tell you, you wouldn't understand.

 But one thing is for certain, though my life on earth is o'er.
 I'm closer to you now, than I ever was before.

      There are many rocky roads ahead of you and many hills to climb;
  But together we can do it by taking one day at a time.

 It was always my philosophy and I'd like it for you too;
 That as you give unto the world, the world will give to you.

      If you can help somebody who's in sorrow and pain;
 Then you can say to God at night......"My day was not in vain."

 And now I am contented....that my life was worthwhile.
 Knowing as I passed along the way I made somebody smile.

 So if you meet somebody who is sad and feeling low;
 Just lend a hand to pick him up, as on your way you go.

      When you're walking down the street and you've got me on your mind;
 I'm walking in your footsteps only half a step behind.

 And when it's time for you to go....from that body to be free.
 Remember you're not going.....you're coming here to me.

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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:19:27 -0500
From: "Michael Branson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fire Starting

Iron Tounge

Nest time you go to a Rendezvous or living history event look for a spinner.
Those people who spin thread on spinning wheels usually have a pile of flax
laying around. I have carried flax for years. It will ignite just fine as
your birds nest. It is faster than quite a few modern materials a lot of
folks use. Another material that works well for the birds nest is excelsior
from packing crates. But, I prefer flax if it is available. I carry it in my
shooting pouch with some char cloth and a small steel and flint. works
great.
Regards
M. Branson
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From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Sunday, June 28, 1998 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fire Starting


>thanks capt for you input i dont have berch butt will try somother wood
that
>might work. how do you make good char.?? ive had littl eluck with puting it
in
>a tin and roasting it on tha stove????!!!! how am i doing ugh.  iron tounge
>
>

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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:28:30 -0500
From: "Michael Branson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Have we forgotten the mountain men?

I ron Tonge

I usually use char that is made from pure cotton cloth. At the local fabric
store you can find both round and rectangular lamp wick for oil lamps. It is
great as char. I put some into a small band aid can and punch a small hole
in the lid. I put it in the stove and watch the smoke coming from the hole .
When the hole stops smoking I pull the can out of the fire and bingo char
cloth. Another source for cloth is the pure hand made stuff you can buy from
central America. There are a few traders who come to Rendezvous from Texas
who usually bring in some bolts of cloth that are pure cotton and they burn
quite well. Don't use wool it is naturally fire resistent.

M. Branson
- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Have we forgotten the mountain men?


>In a message dated 98-06-27 01:30:05 EDT, you write:
>
><<  i can get flint sparks . ican get char cloth to ignite but thats as far
as
>it goes i
> usualy give up   iron tounge  >>
>
>Once you get the char glowing put it on some good tinder i.e.; dry tow.  My
>favorite tinder is the loose ends of hemp tent ropes it catches flame
really
>easily.  The trick is that the tinder has to be real dry if you want it to
>catch from the char.  Of course it helps to have a lot of hot air so you
can
>really blow on that glowing char to get the tinder to burn.  Good or bad I
>have a lot of hot air so I can just blow that glowing ember into a flame in
no
>time.  Try the rope end, unravel it and make a nest of rope ends or tinder
and
>blow.
>
>Your Humble Servant
>
>C.T. Oakes
>
>

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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 23:50:02 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: moccasins

In a message dated 98-06-30 17:36:44 EDT, you write:

<< Settle a arguement for me. When did the so called hardsoled moccasins
 become common? { Plains Indian style} >>

Earliest concrete documentation I know of for multiple & rawhide soles is in
the Louis & Clark Journal in 1805.  Clark mentions double soles on June 23,
Louis echeos this on the next day.  July 19th, Louis mentions "a sole of
buffalo-hide in parchment".

NM

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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:47:03 -0500
From: "Michael Branson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Fire making

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to use quite a bit when I still used tobacco, was a length of ramrod =
thimble. Usually about 1.5 " long. I soldered a twisted loop of wire =
onto the middle of it. I then placed a 6"-8" length of round 3/8" or =
5/16" lamp wick in the ramrod tube. Wear it on a thong around the neck. =
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forbid a (cigarette). Just lay the tube on the top of a nice flat piece =
of flint. Push a little of the round wick out the end and strike a few =
sparks into the chared end. It lights quick. When your done pull it down =
into the tube and block the end with your finger. After a few moments =
without oxygen the smouldering end goes out. Old timers used it here in =
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Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 00:09:07 EDT
From: [e-mail] (Ted A Hart)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fire making

I have his book which is a compliation of all of his written books into
one book.  Saves quite a bit on printing costs.  Anyway the title of the
book is "Primitive Wilderness Living & Survival Skills"  by John and Geri
McPhearson.  Quite good!

Ted

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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:47:10 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Michael Pierce)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fire making

TED
where can one obtain this wealth of knowledge and learning pleasure,
always interested in learning something new and yet historical in
background---- what is the iBSN and all about the book

      "Hawk"
Michael Pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor, florida   34684
1-[phone]     E-MAIL ADDRESS: [e-mail]

On Wed, 01 Jul 1998 00:09:07 EDT [e-mail] (Ted A Hart) writes:
>I have his book which is a compliation of all of his written books
>into one book.  Saves quite a bit on printing costs.  Anyway the title
>of the book is "Primitive Wilderness Living & Survival Skills"  by
>John and Geri McPhearson.  Quite good!
>
>Ted
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Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 07:36:04 EDT
From: [e-mail] (Ted A Hart)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fire making

Tandy leather store is where I bought it here in Texas.  I'll be sure to
send the ISN number when I can but where is it supposed to be in the
book?

Ted

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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 06:50:59 +0000
From: "Tommy Edge" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fire making

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0897459970/n/002-0266726-575561
8
Primitive Wilderness Living and Survival Skills
                     by John McPherson, Geri McPherson
                     Our Price: $24.95

                     Paperback 1st compil edition
                     (March 1993)
                     John McPherson; ISBN: 0897459970;
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                     Availability: This title usually ships within 4-6
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Thank You   Tommy Edge
   I make Knives.
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A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory

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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:05:10 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Makin' coffee

Back to the boiling point, I do enjoy Starbucks, especially the French roast,
so I geuss that's why I boil mine for a few minutes. Besides, it doesn't take
near as much water to make coffee as some people think.

Keep your nose in the wind

KP

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Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 10:17:33 -0600 (CST)
From: [e-mail] (Henry B. Crawford)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Char cloth

Allow me to change the subject line.

>I put some into a small band aid can and punch a small hole
>in the lid. I put it in the stove and watch the smoke coming from the hole .
>When the hole stops smoking I pull the can out of the fire and bingo char
>cloth. Another source for cloth is the pure hand made stuff you can buy from
>central America. There are a few traders who come to Rendezvous from Texas
>who usually bring in some bolts of cloth that are pure cotton and they burn
>quite well. Don't use wool it is naturally fire resistent.
>
>M. Branson

Don't open the can until it cools, or POOF!!  It'll all glow orange and
burn up.  I did that on purpose as part of a demo, and you should have seen
the look on the spectator's faces.  It's pretty neat to watch the char burn
and disintegrate.

Around here in the fall cotton that spills off the trucks along the road is
there for the taking.  It's not clean (seeds and twigs) but it's the real
thing.  It works pretty well as char.  With the West Texas drought, we
might not find much cotton this fall, except from those farmers who
irrigate.

HBC

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[e-mail]     Museum of Texas Tech University
806/742-2442           Box 43191
FAX [phone]             Lubbock, TX  79409-3191
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Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 10:27:33 -0600 (CST)
From: [e-mail] (Henry B. Crawford)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fire making

>I have his book which is a compliation of all of his written books into
>one book.  Saves quite a bit on printing costs.  Anyway the title of the
>book is "Primitive Wilderness Living & Survival Skills"  by John and Geri
>McPhearson.  Quite good!
>
>Ted
>

I have the one on brain tanning.

HBC

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Henry B. Crawford        Curator of History
[e-mail]     Museum of Texas Tech University
806/742-2442           Box 43191
FAX [phone]             Lubbock, TX  79409-3191
               WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum
******  Living History . . . Because it's there!  *******

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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:34:42 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fire making

Would you mind contacting me off line. I have some questions about a career in
history and historical re-enacting that are probably not appropriate for this
list. Thank you in advance. KP MTN [e-mail].

KP

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Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 15:04:09 -0600 (CST)
From: [e-mail] (Henry B. Crawford)
Subject: MtMan-List: Living history careers

>Would you mind contacting me off line. I have some questions about a career in
>history and historical re-enacting that are probably not appropriate for this
>list. Thank you in advance. KP MTN [e-mail].
>
>KP

What's your question?
HBC

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[e-mail]     Museum of Texas Tech University
806/742-2442           Box 43191
FAX [phone]             Lubbock, TX  79409-3191
               WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum
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Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 15:29:45 -0600 (CST)
From: [e-mail] (Henry B. Crawford)
Subject: MtMan-List: Living history careers-oops

Oops.  That was supposed to be off line.  Sorry, friends.

HBC

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[e-mail]     Museum of Texas Tech University
806/742-2442           Box 43191
FAX [phone]             Lubbock, TX  79409-3191
               WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum
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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:16:54 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: AMM Rendezvous/Western National Rendezvous

Did anyone make it to the AMM Western in Idaho? I'm anxious to hear how things
went.

Is anyone planning on going to the Original (non NMLRA) Western National in
Elk Park, Utah this next week? Like to get together with any e-mail group
participants.

Todd Glover

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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:15:17 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re:  Makin' Fire

   First thought is on Char.  As to what type of material is best. Some seemed
to like blue jean and some a lighter material such as flannel. I had made a
large batch of the stuff out of blue jean material and concur that it can be
awfull hard to get it to take a spark, but once it does, it burns real hot. I
once talked to a guy who had told me that he came up with a solution to this
problem in this way: since the blue jean char will burn hot and the flannel
will catch the spark much easier, he cuts his squares out of both, then stacks
them alternately, chars them and then when he goes to use them he pulls one of
each together from his stack and hits the flannel piece with the spark which
catched fairly easy and thus catches the hotter burning blue jean material.
Something to think on.
   The "punkwood" is still my favorite material for char.  It doesn't really
matter what type of wood as far as I know, just as long as it has rotted to
the point of being "spongie" in texture.  Catches a spark rather easily and
burns hot.  Mosses and lichens will work well as I understand.  Haven't tried
tham yet but have some and am gonna give it a whirl.
   As for tinder I think everyone has covered that pretty well.  I like the
burlap idea and am gonna give it a try.  All though not "Period" steel wool
works well too.  I like tow or flax real well.  Allthough sometimes a little
harder to find than hemp type rope or jute type rope which I end up using more
often and works well as long as it stays dry.
  Another neat trick to use and is supposed to be quite period correct is to
save whats left of the drippings from those candle lanterns.  I dig the chunks
of the stuff out of my lanterns and keep them till they pretty well fill a tin
can.  Then take those old scrap pieces of pine in your work shop and wittle
out pieces about a 1/4 to 1/2 inch thick and about 3 or 4 inches long.  Then
when sitting around a camp fire put that can on the grill and let the wax
melt.  Once it is completly melted toss in some of those pine strips and let
them soak up the wax.  Fish them out and let dry and keep in a little bag or
whatever.  Once you start to get flame in your tinder drop one or two on and
they will fire right up.  Works great when yer trying to get a fire started
and all the small twigs and kindling are wet.
   One more thing....about lighting pipes.  I found that if you just take a
small piece of char and neatly cover the tobbaco in the bowl.  Strike a spark
on it or fire it with a magnifying glass and start puffing.  I found that
after it burns, this burnt covering over the tobacco seems to help keeep the
tobbaco from going out as happens so often with a pipe.


Longshot

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Date: 01 Jul 98 15:43:51 +0000
From: Phyllis and Don Keas <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fire making

Met Jophn many years ago.  At Bent's Fort one time, some people saw hios
demonstration with a bow drill.  They asked him to do one with flint and
steel.  He turned to me and said"Don, can you show them, I don't know how,
I just use a bow drill"  I did and he started one with a bow drill in
about the same time I did with flint and steel.  He's good.

DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS --- PROPRIETORS OF THE NADA TRADING COMPANY

tedhart wrote:
>I have his book which is a compliation of all of his written books into
>one book.  Saves quite a bit on printing costs.  Anyway the title of the
>book is "Primitive Wilderness Living & Survival Skills"  by John and
Geri
>McPhearson.  Quite good!
>
>Ted
>
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Date: 01 Jul 98 15:43:47 +0000
From: Phyllis and Don Keas <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: AMM Rendezvous/Western National Rendezvous

Didn't get to go myself and it's killing me.  My wife and I will be going
to the Western Nationals ( don't give a hoot what thw nmlra wants us to
call it) and will get there on Monday evening.  Sounds great to get the
e-mail group together.  Let us know where and when.

DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS --- PROPRIETORS OF THE NADA TRADING COMPANY

TetonTod wrote:
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things
>went.
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>Is anyone planning on going to the Original (non NMLRA) Western National
in
>Elk Park, Utah this next week? Like to get together with any e-mail
group
>participants.
>
>Todd Glover
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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:53:04 -0500
From: "Jody Carlson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Armpit Daggers?

I have been looking for information on what I saw refered to as an 'armpit
dagger' a few years ago without any luck.  I am especially interested in
sheath designs, but always ejoy viewing a good blade.

Can anybody steer me in the right direction?  Any advise at all will be
much appreciated.  In advance, I thank you.

Yr Hmbl & Obt Servt

Scott

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Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 18:10:05 +0000
From: [e-mail] (John Diestler)
Subject: MtMan-List: Pemmican

Just surfing for pemmican recipes brought me to this page. Thought I
might share it with this list.  Nice recipe for beached whale as well.

http://www.greatjerky.com/jerkystories.html#buffalo

john diestler
[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 19:40:51 -0700
From: Chris Sega <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fire making

Michael Branson wrote:

>  Several years ago say about 10 if I remember there was a fella from
> kansas who was writing books about primitive living. He did a great
> book about fire making with flint and steel and with all natural
> materials. I used his method to build a bow drill and have made fire
> with one for a long time for my history classes. I finally succeeded
> in teaching one student to make a fire with the bow drill. It was
> grand. Now, if one of you can just remember the name of the book and
> author then maybe you could post it. I remember John something or
> other. Another thing i used to use quite a bit when I still used
> tobacco, was a length of ramrod thimble. Usually about 1.5 " long. I
> soldered a twisted loop of wire onto the middle of it. I then placed a
> 6"-8" length of round 3/8" or 5/16" lamp wick in the ramrod tube. Wear
> it on a thong around the neck. When you need to light your cigar or
> pipe or camp fire tinder or god forbid a (cigarette). Just lay the
> tube on the top of a nice flat piece of flint. Push a little of the
> round wick out the end and strike a few sparks into the chared end. It
> lights quick. When your done pull it down into the tube and block the
> end with your finger. After a few moments without oxygen the
> smouldering end goes out. Old timers used it here in Colorado and all
> through the south west for years. I think it is called a tinder tube.
>
> The guys name I think is John McPhereson.  he has a whole series of
> books on primitive skills.  the book is called (Primitive?) fire and
> cordage or something like that.
>
>

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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 21:22:15 -0500
From: "Michael Branson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Lighting a candle with flint and steel

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Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 22:48:50 -0500
From: John Kramer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lighting a candle with flint and steel

At 09:22 PM 7/1/98 -0500, you wrote:=20
>
> Can any body out there light a candle with flint and steel?
> We used to do it back at Bent's Fort in the 1980s. M. Branson

Yes I wrote the first article on it in the T&LR back about '78 or '79.

John...


John T. Kramer, maker of:=A0

Kramer's Best Antique Improver
>>>It makes wood wonderful<<<
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<http://www.kramerize.com/>

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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 00:04:20 +0000
From: "Tommy Edge" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lighting a candle with flint and steel

yes
Thank You   Tommy Edge
   I make Knives.
http://www.nex.net/tedge/

A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory

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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 01:08:38 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Living history careers

Basically, how do I get back into the education field. I have a BS and a MS in
Education but am not certified and do not especially want to go back to school
for core classes. I am 32 years old, and have a family to support, so going
back to school is not really an option at this time. I am interested in
getting into a living history program as well as instructing in the field and
was looking for some pointers as to my best course of action. I am at a
crossroads in my life and need a new direction ( which is really neither here
nor there) but it seems that history is what I always come back to. Thanks for
listening to my rambling. (I forgot that my mail system does not copy
automatically what I am responding to, so I apologize for the ambiguous (sp)
cry for help.

Thanks for your time.

KP

Responding to "What's your question?" sent by Henry Crawford, Curator of
History

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