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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #46 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Tuesday, March 31 1998 Volume 01 : Number 046 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 14:50:57 -0800 From: "JON P TOWNS" <AMM944@prodigy.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: rate of twist This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD5B22.14AADE80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First thing write TC about your problem. 1 and 48 was designed because they shot maxi bullets they should shoot real good with the right bullet. It is usually the other way around patched round balls not as well but they shoot better then most shooters do. later Jon T - ---------- : From: JFLEMYTH <JFLEMYTH@aol.com> : To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com : Subject: MtMan-List: Re: rate of twist : Date: Sunday, March 29, 1998 4:02 AM : : I know several things that can lead to keyholing, but the first thing I would : look at is what is the twist and what is the powder load. : : For instance, I do most of my informal shooting with a T/C Hawkin in .50 : caliber. (Not very period correct, but very fun and easy to clean.) I get : great groups with round ball at 25 or 50 yards with patched ball and 60 grains : of FFg. However, when I try to shoot conicles, even with 85 grains, I : occasionaly keyhole because the rate of twist is too slow to stabilize the : bullet at those low end velocities. And that is approaching maximum safe : load! : : What else do you reccomend? You obviously have a lot of experience and : knowledge, (something I don't always have!) But I don't see why your against : discussing rate of twist. : : John Fleming : - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD5B22.14AADE80 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head></head><BODY bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">First thing write TC about your = problem. 1 and 48 was designed because they shot maxi bullets they = should shoot real good with the right bullet. It is usually the = other way around patched round balls not as well but they shoot better = then most shooters do. later Jon T ---------- : = From: JFLEMYTH <JFLEMYTH@aol.com> : To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com : Subject: MtMan-List: Re: rate of twist : = Date: Sunday, March 29, 1998 4:02 AM : : I know several things = that can lead to keyholing, but the first thing I would : look at is = what is the twist and what is the powder load. : : For = instance, I do most of my informal shooting with a T/C Hawkin in = .50 : caliber. (Not very period correct, but very fun and easy = to clean.) I get : great groups with round ball at 25 or 50 = yards with patched ball and 60 grains : of FFg. However, when I = try to shoot conicles, even with 85 grains, I : occasionaly keyhole = because the rate of twist is too slow to stabilize the : bullet at = those low end velocities. And that is approaching maximum = safe : load! : : What else do you reccomend? You = obviously have a lot of experience and : knowledge, (something I = don't always have!) But I don't see why your against : = discussing rate of twist. : : John Fleming : </body></html> - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD5B22.14AADE80-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:16:09 -0600 From: Jim Colburn <jc60714@navix.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Burglary Washtahay- At 05:08 AM 3/29/98 -0700, you wrote: >Dear LongWalker, > >I'd sincerely like to help you nail the bad guys, but really, take a step >back and look at the information you've provided about the stolen property. >Similar items could be found at just about any rendezvous. Where you at? Any rendezvous that has capotes my size and 200+ bullet moulds being sold by someone who obviously doesn't fit in, I think I want to attend! > >I'm not sure what a suppository gun is, but I try not to make a habit out of >checking other people's suppositories. Can you provide a better description >of the 200 bullet molds. Well, I was trying to avoid the use of the 'c' word. In other words, the moulds are for cartridge guns. A better description? I could, but I really didn't think this was an appropriate place to post a detailed list of over 200 moulds, by Ideal or Lyman mould numbers, with approximate vintage, cherry number, maker's initials, and diameters cast in two different alloys.;-) > >What's really the unique and differently that would make a positive >identification of any of the the stolen property? I am not asking for anyone to make a positive identification of the property-that is what law enforcement is for! All I was hoping for was a possible heads-up if some druggie showed up somewhere trying to peddle this stuff. I know-it is a long shot. But I am really not expecting my insurance company to be able to replace the moulds-it took me 20 years to collect them together. LongWalker c. du B. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:43:27 -0700 (MST) From: Clay Landry <Landry@wtp.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Islanders in the Mtns At 08:05 PM 1/27/95 -0700, you wrote: >I have hear that Pacific Islanders were brought in to work in the fur >trade. Where can I find a reference for this. I know they weren't >called by the names we know them by todat, what were they called. > >Thanks >Forrest Smouse > - ------------------------- Using Hawaiians as laborers by fur companies can be traced back to the very early days of the Northwest fur enterprises. Referred to as Sandwich islanders, Kanakas or Owhyees, these men worked for the Astorians or The Pacific Fur company, in the 1810 to 1813 period, the HBC from the early 1800's to the 1860's and Nathaniel Wyeth's Columbia River Trading and Fishing Company 1834 to 1837. In most cases they served as canoemen and engages but Wyeth tried to use them as canoemen and trappers. He brought the Kanakas to Fort Hall, located on the Snake River in south central Idaho. Many of them deserted-there is a page in the Fort Hall ledgers entitled "Runaway Kanakas". It itemizes all the goods, supplies, horses and equipment taken by the group of Kanakas who had headed back to the mouth of the Columbia river. In the Fort Hall ledgers some of the Kanakas' names listed are "Pig, Rice, Dida, Harry Martin Issac,Peter and Jack Fowler" Wyeth also had some of these men in his company when it arrived at the 1836 rendezvous-how about that one-Hawaiians at a Rendezvous!!! Aloha Ole coon!! Clay Landry P.O. Box 1033 Columbus MT 59019 - -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:49:50 -0700 From: cwebbbpdr@juno.com (Charlie P. Webb) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Burglary LongWalker, I don't know who all you have contacted about your theft, but I would like to recommend a long time friend and trader that you might wish to contact and send a list of your missing goods, also Nebraska has a fine State Muzzle Loading Association, and they I bet would publish your missing goods list in their news letter. I am sure you can contact the Assoc. through my friend Don Strinz 402-761-3244, 2325 West "O" Street Road, Milford, NE 68405. http://www2.strinz.com/tipi/ Don has been at this muzzle loading a long time, knows an awful lot of skinners etc. might just be able to help. Am truly sorry to hear of your loss, will also post your list in several club news letters that I am involved with if you don't mind. Respectfully Old Coyote CC CO. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 21:45:20 -0700 From: Dean Rudy <drudy@xmission.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Islanders in the Mtns At 11:39 AM 3/29/98 -0800, Dale wrote: >Washington Irving wrote the book "Astoria" which was published in 1836. >I have a reprinted copy (1967) and you should be able to find one. It can be found at: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/html/astoria/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jan 1995 22:38:50 -0700 From: "Sommer J. Smouse" <smouse@ubtanet.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Islanders in the Mtns To all of you that took time to reply to my request on Islanders in the Rocky Mountain fur trade, I give many thanks. My friend (a Tonga/Mowry) who asked me this question also gives his thanks. It has given us much to talk about. He and I will be doing some research now using your references. Thanks again, Forrest Smouse ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 08:39:21 -0500 From: kat <kat@janrix.com> Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Burglary - ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD5BB8.96210B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm in MO, but I'll give the guys I know a heads-up. 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It is the rectangular Canadian Native woman's hood. Here are a couple of descriptions : "The cap, when they have one, consists of a piece of cloth, about two feet square, doubled, and sewed up at one end, which forms an enclosure for the head; and it is tied under the chin. The bottom of it falls down the back, like a cape, and in the centre, is tied to the belt. This cap is fancifully garnished with ribbon, beads or porcupine quills." 1820, Daniel Williams Harmon (W. Kaye Lamb, ed. _Sixteen Years in the Indian Country_, 203) "For a head dress they [Cree women] have a foot of broad cloth sewed at one end, ornamented with beads and gartering, this end is on the head, the loose parts are over the shoulders, and is well adapted to defend the head and neck from the cold and snow." David Thompson (Richard Glover, ed. _David Thompson's Narrative : 1784-1812_, p. 74) Why is it so important to decorate these hoods profusely? Because otherwise they are SO GOOFY! The peak is often decorated with a tassel, just to heighten the effect, which looks like you've tried (unsuccessfully) to stuff your head into an envelope. So decorations are crucial to distracting people from this effect. Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred agottfre@telusplanet.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:55:19 -0700 From: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Islanders in the Mtns Forrest Smouse wrote : > I have hear that Pacific Islanders were brought in to work in the fur > trade. Where can I find a reference for this. I know they weren't > called by the names we know them by today, what were they called. I've quite enjoyed everyone else's posts, and thought I'd add my 2 cents worth. Eleven Hawaiians came to Astoria on the _Tonquin_ in 1811. In 1812, 12 or 13 more arrived, so that there were 24 Hawaiians at Astoria in 1813. We know the names of four of these men: Joseph Powrowie, James Kimoo, Dick Paou, Thomas Tuanna. (James Ronda, _Astoria and Empire_, 218-219, 228, 289) "Coxe" was a Sandwich Islander who joined the NWC at Astoria on July 31, 1811; he went to the east side of the Rockies with David Thompson, Thompson left Boulard behind to work for the PFCo (Barbara Belyea, ed. _Columbia Journals_, 173, 283, 288) . By 1814, many Hawaiians at Astoria were homesick, but the North West Company's Alexander Henry (the Younger) was not keen to send them home (Elliott Coues, ed. _New Light on the Early History of the Northwest : The Journals of Alexander Henry the Younger and David Thompson_, vol 2, p. 773, 756, 756n, 840, 849). To this day, there are still Hawaiians in British Columbia who carry on Hawaiian culture & traditions. According to an article in _Equinox_ or _Canadian Geographic_ from about five years ago, they also practice their Hawaiian religion, because they were such a small minority, the missionaries didn't bother with them. Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred agottfre@telusplanet.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:56:53 -0700 From: "P.D. Amschler" <buckskinner@mailcity.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Kit Guns Over the past few years there have been many gun kits that have been put out, but now I can't seem to find very many. I have the Dixie Gunworks catalogue and that is all I have been able to find.. The question I have is this: St. Louis Hawken in either or both perc or flint. Not with the brass like the TC but Ubertie had one oh maybe 10 years ago with the nickle furniture. Also a long rifle. ie. Penn. or Kentuc. Also any one have a place to get patterns for clothing? Paul <The Bear> Get your FREE, private e-mail account at http://www.mailcity.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:06:31 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Newbill <lnewbill@uidaho.edu> Subject: MtMan-List: Auctions & Such Good Day! Spent most of Sunday at an auction (they are addictive) of the estate of a avid (rabid) collector. For about $40, I came away from it with three #4 Diamond traps, one #4 and two #1-1/2 Blake & Lamb traps, and three small cast iron kettles. Missed the three working Newhouses cause I didna want to spend more than $10 per trap (am now kicking meself very hard). Also missed some very old knives that were pinned versus riveted. Probably wouldna have paid so much except I was in competition with two very serious collectors, one of which was the famous "Traplady" of Moscow, a lady by the name of Nancy Haefer. Incidently, Nancy runs a buisness that includes working traps and collector traps, as well as parts, will send anyone interested her address/phone #. I had planned on a sheet metal frying pan, but now have the small kettles I had pretty much decided against.... ah well, such is fortune, one fer lead, one for cooking. If anyone is interested in the two #1-1/2 Blake and Lamb traps, email me off list.... and there is another auction next month with more traps on the block just south of here. Regards Lee Newbill Viola, Idaho email at lnewbill@uidaho.edu Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage http://www.uidaho.edu/~lnewbill/bp.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:26:10 -0600 (CST) From: sgtsam@cp.duluth.mn.us Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Burglary I am not asking for anyone to make a positive identification of the >property-that is what law enforcement is for! All I was hoping for was a >possible heads-up if some druggie showed up somewhere trying to peddle this >stuff. > I know-it is a long shot. But I am really not expecting my >insurance company to be able to replace the moulds-it took me 20 years to >collect them together. >LongWalker c. du B. ====================== Sorry for your loss, especially for the molds it took 20 years to collect. Burglars are a special type of scum who should be hung by the short hairs, stuffed and used as a pina'ta by small nasty children armed with baseball bats. P. Girard > > hes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:17:14 -0800 From: "JON P TOWNS" <AMM944@prodigy.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Kit Guns This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD5BDE.27DFFD20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit try Jas. Townsend and son Inc. P.O. Box 415 Pierceton IN 46562 1-800-338-1665 you'll like the catalog Later Jon Towns - ---------- : From: P.D. Amschler <buckskinner@mailcity.com> : To: Rendezvous Net <hist_text@xmission.com> : Subject: MtMan-List: Kit Guns : Date: Monday, March 30, 1998 8:56 AM : : Over the past few years there have been many gun kits that have been put out, but : now I can't seem to find very many. I have the Dixie Gunworks catalogue and that : is all I have been able to find.. : : The question I have is this: St. Louis Hawken in either or both perc or flint. : Not with the brass like the TC but Ubertie had one oh maybe 10 years ago with the : nickle furniture. Also a long rifle. ie. Penn. or Kentuc. : : Also any one have a place to get patterns for clothing? : : Paul <The Bear> : : : : Get your FREE, private e-mail : account at http://www.mailcity.com : - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD5BDE.27DFFD20 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head></head><BODY bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">try Jas. Townsend and son Inc. P.O. = Box 415 Pierceton IN 46562 1-800-338-1665 you'll like the = catalog Later Jon Towns ---------- : From: P.D. Amschler <buckskinner@mailcity.com> : To: Rendezvous Net <hist_text@xmission.com> : Subject: MtMan-List: Kit Guns : Date: = Monday, March 30, 1998 8:56 AM : : Over the past few years = there have been many gun kits that have been put out, but : now = I can't seem to find very many. I have the Dixie Gunworks = catalogue and that : is all I have been able to find.. : : = The question I have is this: St. Louis Hawken in either or = both perc or flint. : Not with the brass like the TC but = Ubertie had one oh maybe 10 years ago with the : nickle furniture. = Also a long rifle. ie. Penn. or Kentuc. : : = Also any one have a place to get patterns for clothing? : = : Paul <The Bear> : : : : Get your = FREE, private e-mail : account at http://www.mailcity.com : </body></html> - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD5BDE.27DFFD20-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 19:26:33 -0500 From: "Mike Haught" <mwhaught@netwalk.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Kit Guns This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BD5C11.BF9ED9A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Check out Golden Age Firearms in Ashley, Ohio. I do not have the = address handy right now. He offers many kits from Jaeger Rifle to Pennsylvania/Kentucky = Longrifle, Hawken/Plains Rifle, plus many more. I think his catalog is = $5.00. -mwh "Possum, the other white meat!" - -----Original Message----- From: JON P TOWNS <AMM944@prodigy.net> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Date: Monday, March 30, 1998 7:15 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Kit Guns =20 =20 try Jas. Townsend and son Inc. P.O. Box 415 Pierceton IN 46562 1-800-338-1665 you'll like the catalog Later Jon Towns ---------- : From: P.D. Amschler <buckskinner@mailcity.com> : To: Rendezvous Net <hist_text@xmission.com> : Subject: MtMan-List: Kit Guns : Date: Monday, March 30, 1998 8:56 AM :=20 : Over the past few years there have been many gun kits that have = been put out, but : now I can't seem to find very many. I have the Dixie Gunworks = catalogue and that : is all I have been able to find.. :=20 : The question I have is this: St. Louis Hawken in either or both = perc or flint. : Not with the brass like the TC but Ubertie had one oh maybe 10 = years ago with the : nickle furniture. Also a long rifle. ie. Penn. or Kentuc. :=20 : Also any one have a place to get patterns for clothing? :=20 : Paul <The Bear> :=20 :=20 :=20 : Get your FREE, private e-mail : account at http://www.mailcity.com :=20 =20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BD5C11.BF9ED9A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.71.1712.3"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV>Check out Golden Age = Firearms in Ashley,=20 Ohio. I do not have the address handy right = now.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>He offers many kits from Jaeger Rifle to=20 Pennsylvania/Kentucky Longrifle, Hawken/Plains Rifle, plus many = more. I=20 think his catalog is $5.00.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> -mwh "Possum, = the other=20 white meat!" </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px"> <DIV>-----Original = Message----- From:=20 JON P TOWNS <<A=20 = href=3D"mailto:AMM944@prodigy.net">AMM944@prodigy.net</A>> To: = <A=20 = href=3D"mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com">hist_text@lists.xmission.com= </A>=20 <<A=20 = href=3D"mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com">hist_text@lists.xmission.com= </A>> Date:=20 Monday, March 30, 1998 7:15 PM Subject: Re: = MtMan-List: Kit=20 Guns </DIV> try Jas. Townsend and = son=20 Inc. P.O. Box 415 Pierceton IN = 46562 1-800-338-1665 you'll like=20 the catalog Later Jon Towns ---------- : From: P.D. Amschler = <<FONT=20 color=3D#0000ff>buckskinner@mailcity.com> :=20 To: Rendezvous Net <<FONT=20 color=3D#0000ff>hist_text@xmission.com> :=20 Subject: MtMan-List: Kit Guns : Date: Monday, March 30, 1998 8:56 = AM :=20 : Over the past few years there have been many gun kits that = have been=20 put out, but : now I can't seem to find very many. I = have the=20 Dixie Gunworks catalogue and that : is all I have been able to=20 find.. : : The question I have is this: St. Louis = Hawken in=20 either or both perc or flint. : Not with the brass like the = TC but=20 Ubertie had one oh maybe 10 years ago with the : nickle = furniture.=20 Also a long rifle. ie. Penn. or Kentuc. : : Also = any one=20 have a place to get patterns for clothing? : : Paul <The=20 Bear> : : : : Get your FREE, private e-mail : = account=20 at http://www.mailcity.com<FONT=20 color=3D#000000> :=20 </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY>= </HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BD5C11.BF9ED9A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 20:24:28 EST From: Traphand <Traphand@aol.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Kit Guns try track of the wolf last time i looked they had a hawken called the sante fe.made by uberti.it looks to be like the one i owned years ago. before i went to flint.its a damn good shooter still wished i keep it . trap ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 20:33:46 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Newbill <lnewbill@uidaho.edu> Subject: MtMan-List: Straight Razors Hallo I'm needing a straight razor, and can not find a good source for any with non-plastic handles. Any dealers out there that anyone knows of? Regards Lee Newbill Viola, Idaho email at lnewbill@uidaho.edu Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage http://www.uidaho.edu/~lnewbill/bp.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:56:50 -0500 From: paul mueller <pmueller@infinet.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Kit Guns Mike Haught wrote: > > Check out Golden Age Firearms in Ashley, Ohio. I do not have the > address handy right now. > > He offers many kits from Jaeger Rifle to Pennsylvania/Kentucky > Longrifle, Hawken/Plains Rifle, plus many more. I think his catalog > is $5.00. > > -mwh > "Possum, the other white meat!" > > -----Original Message----- > From: JON P TOWNS <AMM944@prodigy.net> > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> > Date: Monday, March 30, 1998 7:15 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Kit Guns > > try Jas. Townsend and son Inc. > P.O. Box 415 > Pierceton IN 46562 > 1-800-338-1665 > you'll like the catalog Later Jon Towns > ---------- > : From: P.D. Amschler <buckskinner@mailcity.com> > : To: Rendezvous Net <hist_text@xmission.com> > : Subject: MtMan-List: Kit Guns > : Date: Monday, March 30, 1998 8:56 AM > : > : Over the past few years there have been many gun kits that > have been put out, but > : now I can't seem to find very many. I have the Dixie > Gunworks catalogue and that > : is all I have been able to find.. > : > : The question I have is this: St. Louis Hawken in either > or both perc or flint. > : Not with the brass like the TC but Ubertie had one oh > maybe 10 years ago with the > : nickle furniture. Also a long rifle. ie. Penn. or > Kentuc. > : > : Also any one have a place to get patterns for clothing? > : > : Paul <The Bear> > : > : > : > : Get your FREE, private e-mail > : account at http://www.mailcity.com > : you can find golden age at www,tradingpage.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:29:52 EST From: CT OAKES <CTOAKES@aol.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Cast Iron Pots In a message dated 98-03-29 14:16:44 EST, you write: << Recently purchased a cast iron pot made by "J.A. Coewey" of Albany, New York. It is 9 1/2" high and 9 3/4" top diameter. I cannot find anything about the manufacturer on the Net. Got any ideas? Gail >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 02:06:18 EST From: RR1LA <RR1LA@aol.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Straight Razors Found some new pieces, of Pakistani origin at a local gun / memorabilia show in LA at the County Fairgrounds. Some had mother-of-pearl handles, some wood, most in the $7 to $20 range depending on the material. They also had some old 'Sheffield' razors, but most the blades were not in a usuable / restorable condition. PJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:11:29 -0500 From: David Card <DCard@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Burglary Ah. I too wasn't sure what a suppository gun was, thanks. This makes se= nse, = since you stick the bullet into the wrong end... The closest guess I could make was a Harper's Ferry gun, since one of his= men tried to use one to insert a lead ball into Lewis' butt. ;) - -=3DDavid Card=3D- >breechloaders >> >>I'm not sure what a suppository gun is, but I try not to make a habit o= ut >of >>checking other people's suppositories. = ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 00:57:47 -0600 From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Straight Razors At 08:33 PM 3/30/98 -0800, you wrote: >Hallo > >I'm needing a straight razor, and can not find a good source for any with >non-plastic handles. > >Any dealers out there that anyone knows of? > >Regards > >Lee Newbill Lee & others: those so inclined to greet each day by seeing if their hand is still steady enough to not slit their own throat, I have an original "Wade & Butcher" with the extra broad blade: as shown in "Mountain Man Sketch Book", vol II, p.32. I'd have to dig it out to be certain, but if I remember right even all the touch marks are the same. Exactly Right to 1820. It could have been at one or more original rendezvous. Cracked handle (poorly repaired/usable as is/maybe replaced), excellent blade. I never had need to use it. As I found it. Restoration and/or sharpening/grinding extra and would take something REALLY interesting to get me to do it. Real sharp just needs a good tune-up to shave. I'm open to trades, it is not for sale. E-mail offers on the side, please. It seems to me outside the list business. Want the best? What first class goods do you have to trade? John... Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without. John Kramer kramer@kramerize.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:43:30 -0600 (CST) From: mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU (Henry B. Crawford) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Straight Razors >Hallo > >I'm needing a straight razor, and can not find a good source for any with >non-plastic handles. > >Any dealers out there that anyone knows of? > I have one with a wooden handle I picked up from a Civil War reenacting pal. Looking for a new or used one? HBC ***************************************** Henry B. Crawford Curator of History mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Museum of Texas Tech University 806/742-2442 Box 43191 FAX 742-1136 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum ********** LIVING HISTORY IS LIFE! ********** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:13:25 -0800 From: "The Windhams" <windham@jps.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Kit Guns Paul, You might give Track of the Wolf a call and order one of their catalogues, they have a large line of goodies for build'n your own Rifles, I used them a couple of years ago and was very pleased wirh both their service & prices. you can reach them at (6122) 424- 2500 or contact me off line and I can give you a whole list of parts shops Rick Windham - ---------- > From: P.D. Amschler <buckskinner@mailcity.com> > To: Rendezvous Net <hist_text@xmission.com> > Subject: MtMan-List: Kit Guns > Date: Monday, March 30, 1998 8:56 AM > > Over the past few years there have been many gun kits that have been put out, but > now I can't seem to find very many. I have the Dixie Gunworks catalogue and that > is all I have been able to find.. > > The question I have is this: St. Louis Hawken in either or both perc or flint. > Not with the brass like the TC but Ubertie had one oh maybe 10 years ago with the > nickle furniture. Also a long rifle. ie. Penn. or Kentuc. > > Also any one have a place to get patterns for clothing? > > Paul <The Bear> > > > > Get your FREE, private e-mail > account at http://www.mailcity.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:38:12 +0000 From: Forrest Smouse <forrest@ubatc.tec.ut.us> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Straight Razors Lee Newbill wrote: > Any dealers out there that anyone knows of? > Try your local antique dealer. That is where I found my Ivory handled razor. They had over a dozen straight razors when I went in and got mine. Cost me about $20. Some of the Germany knife makers produce razors. Don't know if they have plastic handles or not. The newly made one I have is unfinished and doesn't have a handle. Forrest Smouse ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #46 ****************************** - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.