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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #34 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Sunday, March 8 1998 Volume 01 : Number 034 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 18:58:57 EST From: Hawker Amm <HawkerAmm@aol.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Running ball Check RAPINE BAG MOULDS. Excellent period molds. they are located at Rapine Bullet Mould Mfg. Co. 9503 Landis Lane East Greenville, PA 18041 For two bucks they will send you a catalog. Hawker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:27:55 EST From: Traphand <Traphand@aol.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: keelboat from st.charles mo. HAWK,ITHINK I MAY KNOW TERRY MURPHY IT RINGS A BELL,IS VEMON AN OLD GUY WITH WHITE HAIR AN THIN AROUND IN HIS 60S.I ALSO USED TO BE IN THE AMM UNTIL PROBLEMS IN THE PARTY.NOW WE TRAK WITH A LOT OF EX MUNBERS. GOT ONE IN THE WORKS THIS COMING APRIL.YOUR NUMBER IS A EARLY ONE.MINE WAS 1205IN 88 THE CLERK E WAS LARRY MAYES. GOD IT HAS BEEN A LONG TIME SURE FLYS BY FAST. I RECALL THE FIRST AMM DOING I WENT IN OHIO BAD TIMEAND PLACE IT WAS LIKE CAMPING AT A K.O.A. MEET ALOT GOOD SOULS.LAST ONE I WENT TO WAS IN SOUTHERN MISSOURI A FEW YEAR BACK HAD ONE GREAT TIME SHOOTING AND TRAPPING.RECALL GOING TO LITTLE ROCK THEY HAD A DUGOUTDOWN THERE/HAVE YOU EVER USED ONE SURE SAT LOW IN THE WATER.GOT TO RUN. KEEP IN TOUCH. TRAPHAND ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 17:47:29 -0600 (MDT) From: Rick Williams <ERWILLIA@UCSNet.Apollo> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Soapmaking Well give us your recipe and cooking instructions!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 17:52:24 -0600 (MDT) From: Rick Williams <ERWILLIA@UCSNet.Apollo> Subject: MtMan-List: Mississippi/Louisiana Sites I'm visiting Louisiana and Mississippi the end of April. It would be nice to know of some sites to visit. I've got Vicksburg and the War of 1812 site outside of New Orleans to see. Any others that might be interesting. Maybe even some sutlers. Thanks Rick Williams ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:09:23 EST From: RR1LA <RR1LA@aol.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Running ball Rapine Bullet Mould Company is located at 9503 Landis Lane East Greenville, Pennsylvania 18041 PJ. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:22:09 EST From: RR1LA <RR1LA@aol.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Running Ball The phone number for Rapine Bullet Mould Mfg. Company is 215-679-5413. Sorry I wasn't reading the previous post, thought you asked for address. PJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 01:17:09 EST From: Casapy123 <Casapy123@aol.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Whiskey in the Fur Trade Pat, For some info on use of liquor in the fur trade, particularly with the American Fur Co, try Don Berry, "A Majority of Scoundrels" and David Lavender, "A Fist in the Wilderness." Both are readily available and while somewhat general in nature, may at least have some references you can use. Jim Hardee AMM #1676 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 00:56:32 +0100 From: mstar176@wf.net (Basha Richey) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mississippi/Louisiana Sites > Any others that might be >interesting. Maybe even some sutlers. > Rick, If you can make it up to Natchitoches in the west central part of the state it might be worth a look. The city is the oldest permanent settlement in La. Fort St. Jean Baptiste was established by Juchereau de St. Denis in 1714, to off-set the Spanish influence in Texas. It had a population of almost 3000 in 1810 and was a major route for settlers traveling to Texas, in it's early history. It was served by riverboat traffic untill, the river changed course in the 1830's. They have a reconstruction of the French fort, many old homes near the river, some business buildings that were bulit in 1830's (one still has the original gaslights). The Melrose Plantation south of town has several buildings made of hand carved cypress and a giant live oak in the front yard that has a drip line of at least 45 paces. They claim to know that the tree is over 220 years old. They have a building where they made their own fabrics from the cotton they grew and it still contains a loom. Nachitoches also has some civil war history and they have a nice, small museum. They are famous for Meat pies which they sold to travelers passing through. Also good food in town, and no, I don't work for the chamber of commerce! Good luck, John "Yellow Stone" Richey Chico, Texas ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 07:59:22 EST From: JFLEMYTH <JFLEMYTH@aol.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Laurel Mountain Forge browning solution I just finished two barrels using Laurel Mountain's solution. Both came out pretty well, and niether one was degreased first. Each one took me about three days, with about four coats per day. So far, the coats seem even and durrable. I havn't had any problems with pitting, even though I tried leaving a coat on over night once. Both were finished by rubbing on a coat of boiled linseed oil. That really brought the color out nicely. The important thing is to keep your coats extremely even. There are some small spots around the fixed sights that came out a little discolored. Also, coats should be kept nice and light, with cleaning the barrel between each coat to remove scaling. I also did mine in the upstairs bathroom for humidity! As for the cost, I paid $6.75 for a bottle that did two full barrels and all the mounts for one of the rifles. I even have about one fourth of the bottle left. All in all, I thought it was good stuff. I'll use it in future. John Fleming ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 09:09:48 -0600 From: Jim Lindberg <jal@cray.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Soapmaking I remember making soap in chemistry class in high school (a long time ago). It's something I've been going to try again, but pretty low on the list. B^) One of the Foxfire books covers soap making too. Be like Granny on the Beverly Hillbillies and mix up a batch by the cement pond. B^) Glad the site was of help. Jim - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ /`-_ Jim Lindberg |Les Voyageurs du Val du Chippewa { . }/ 724 East Grand Avenue | \ / Chippewa Falls, WI 54729 USA |Sweete water and light laughter, |___| http://reality.sgi.com/jal/ |Until we next meete. Go Gentle. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 07:18:37 -0700 From: William Metcalfe <wmi@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mississippi/Louisiana Sites Rick, Soapmaking: A hyper link should have been in the quoted original message that was included in my reply. Anyway here it is: http://members.aol.com/oelaineo/soapmaking.html Rick Williams wrote: > Well give us your recipe and cooking instructions!!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>...........<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Trip: Also, in response to your visit to Louisiana and Mississippi, you must visit and travel the Natchez Trace which was an emigration and trade route of the Natchez Indians, early settlers and others. I believe it stretches from the Appalachians down to at least Natchez, MS. You should be able to find considerable information about it on the net. The Natchez area is part of my family's history - still a few of us there. Have fun! Rick Williams wrote: > I'm visiting Louisiana and Mississippi the end of April. It would be > nice to know of some sites to visit. I've got Vicksburg and the War > of 1812 site outside of New Orleans to see. Any others that might be > interesting. Maybe even some sutlers. > > Thanks > Rick Williams - -- William Metcalfe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:24:45 -0700 From: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred) Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Whiskey in the Fur Trade mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU (Henry B. Crawford) wrote : >There is a good book called _Whiskey Peddler: John Healy, North Frontier >Trader_, by William R. Hunt (1993), which deals in part with his role in >the whiskey trade between Montana and Canada. It wasn't during the >Rendezvous era, but in the 1860s, after HBC gave up Rupert's Lands in >Alberta, and left a vaccuum which the Canadian government was unable to >fill until the (1874) creation of the Northwest Mounted Police. Until that >time, the whiskey trade was wide open and unregulated. American officials >squelched the trade which had operated out of Fort Benton, but traders >simply moved to Alberta and established Fort Hamilton (the precursor to the >city of Calgary) and inticed trading Indians to travel up the Whoop Up >Trail to trade furs, robes, etc for goods and whiskey (Fort Hamilton was >also called Fort Whoop Up). It's not my period, but it IS my neighborhood, so I have to add a couple of notes: the whisky trade started up after the HBC ceded 'Rupert's Land' (Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta) to Canada in 1869. In May 1873, about 30 Assiniboine Indians were massacred by whites near the whisky fort called Farwell's Post (the Cypress Hills Massacre). As a result, the NWMP was formed to clamp down on the illicit whisky trade here in Alberta. There were a number of other small whisky posts, such as Kipp's Post, Standoff, and Slideout, but Fort Hamilton was the big one. It is much better-known here as Fort Whoop-up. It was not on the site of Calgary; it is a few hundred miles to the south, on the site of the city of Lethbridge. In fact, the recreated Fort Whoop-up is in Lethbridge, and Lethbridge celebrates Whoop-up Days every year. Calgary was pretty much bald prairie until the NWMP arrived and set up Fort Calgary in 1875. Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred agottfre@telusplanet.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:38:33 -0500 From: "Scott Allen" <allen@blueridge-ef.SAIC.COM> Subject: MtMan-List: Trip to Alabama Hello the list, Just got word that I will be travelling to the Anniston/Ft. McClellan, Al. area the last week in March and the first week in April. If anyone on the list is in that area and would like to get together for Supper/ale or just a visit, let me know. Your most humble servant, Scott Allen Hunter and Scout for Fort Frederick Fairplay, MD http://members.tripod.com/~SCOTT Your most humble servant, Scott Allen Hunter and Scout for Fort Frederick Fairplay, MD http://members.tripod.com/~SCOTT ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:57:43 -0500 From: sean@naplesnet.com (Addison O. Miller) Subject: MtMan-List: August trip I am taking a FANTASTIC trip this summer (August)to Nebraska and the Dakotas. Am definately going to stop and see the Museum of the Fur Trade, the Black Hills, Cabella's <chuckles>, etc... Anyone got any other points of interest in Nebraska and the Dakotas to see with regards to the Fur Trade?? Any help would be appreciated. I'd love some little out of the way places that are not well known... ghost towns, etc... Thanks Addison Miller aka SeanBear ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:54:22 -0500 From: sean@naplesnet.com (Addison O. Miller) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Whiskey in the Fur Trade There is an authentic receipe on my web page... sorry, the sender of the email to me and the hard copy have been lost... Check www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Arcade/1427 Addison Miller >Pat, > >For some info on use of liquor in the fur trade, particularly with the >American Fur Co, try Don Berry, "A Majority of Scoundrels" and David Lavender, >"A Fist in the Wilderness." Both are readily available and while somewhat >general in nature, may at least have some references you can use. > >Jim Hardee >AMM #1676 > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 13:16:02 -0600 From: "Pamela Wheeler" <rebelfreehold@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Laurel Mountain Forge browning solution Got an address? Sounds worth looking at! And I don't have to hunt for the chemicals! Or mix them! Ken - ---------- > From: JFLEMYTH <JFLEMYTH@aol.com> > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com > Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Laurel Mountain Forge browning solution > Date: Friday, March 06, 1998 6:59 AM > > I just finished two barrels using Laurel Mountain's solution. Both came out > pretty well, and niether one was degreased first. Each one took me about > three days, with about four coats per day. So far, the coats seem even and > durrable. I havn't had any problems with pitting, even though I tried leaving > a coat on over night once. Both were finished by rubbing on a coat of boiled > linseed oil. That really brought the color out nicely. > > The important thing is to keep your coats extremely even. There are some > small spots around the fixed sights that came out a little discolored. Also, > coats should be kept nice and light, with cleaning the barrel between each > coat to remove scaling. I also did mine in the upstairs bathroom for > humidity! > > As for the cost, I paid $6.75 for a bottle that did two full barrels and all > the mounts for one of the rifles. I even have about one fourth of the bottle > left. > > All in all, I thought it was good stuff. I'll use it in future. > > John Fleming ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:36:45 -0600 From: Jim Colburn <jc60714@navix.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: August trip Washtahay- At 11:57 AM 3/6/98 -0500, you wrote: >I am taking a FANTASTIC trip this summer (August)to Nebraska and the >Dakotas. Am definately going to stop and see the Museum of the Fur Trade, >the Black Hills, Cabella's <chuckles>, etc... Anyone got any other points of >interest in Nebraska and the Dakotas to see with regards to the Fur Trade?? Well, Fort Atkinson would be one good point to stop at, as would the Joslyn Museum, the Nebraska State Historical Society Museum, Morrill Hall, Stuhr Museum, that-museum-at-Hastings-that-I-always-forget-the-name-of, maybe a side trip to the Lewis and Clark site in IA, a day kicking around the Pine Ridge or hiking near Scott's Bluff, Fort Robinson, maybe a visit to an archaeological dig, give me a little time and I can come up with a few more goodies. > >Any help would be appreciated. I'd love some little out of the way places >that are not well known... ghost towns, etc... Ain't got any real ghost towns in Nebraska. Might put you onto a spring up in the Sand Hills about five miles from the road-several years ago I packed some trout back to it. Doin' fine last I saw. I can put you onto some old Indian campsites, bison kill sites, historical graves, graveyards, massacre sites-I have lived here most of my life. Let's get together on this. Offer goes for anyone else, too. LongWalker c du B. (and tourist guide) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 17:19:28 -0600 (CST) From: mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU (Henry B. Crawford) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Whiskey in the Fur Trade > but Fort Hamilton was the big one. It is much >better-known here as Fort Whoop-up. It was not on the site of Calgary; it is >a few hundred miles to the south, on the site of the city of Lethbridge. In >fact, the recreated Fort Whoop-up is in Lethbridge, and Lethbridge >celebrates Whoop-up Days every year. Calgary was pretty much bald prairie >until the NWMP arrived and set up Fort Calgary in 1875. > >Your humble & obedient servant, >Angela Gottfred Angela, are you familiar with Jack Gladstone's song "Whoop Up Trail"? Jack performed it at a museum conference I attended in Missoula last fall. He's a Blackfoot living in Kalispell, and quite a balladeer. Thanks for correcting me on the location of the fort. I am glad they've recreated it. How is the reconstruction, pretty accurate or Disney-esque? Is the event worth going to? HBC ***************************************** Henry B. Crawford Curator of History mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Museum of Texas Tech University 806/742-2442 Box 43191 FAX 742-1136 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum ************* So Long, Harry ************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:54:55 EST From: HKUSP9410 <HKUSP9410@aol.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: August trip In a message dated 98-03-06 17:35:47 EST, you write: << Ain't got any real ghost towns in Nebraska. Might put you onto a spring up in the Sand Hills about five miles from the road-several years ago I packed some trout back to it. Doin' fine last I saw. I can put you onto some old Indian campsites, bison kill sites, historical graves, graveyards, massacre sites-I have lived here most of my life. Let's get together on this. Offer goes for anyone else, too. LongWalker c du B. (and tourist guide) >> I am in Denver, CO and I ocassionally wander over to McConahay for some catfishin. How close are ya to there??? Mebe sometime I come over and just wander the hills some? Watch yer TopKnot Missouri Mule ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 19:14:26 EST From: Mtnman1449 <Mtnman1449@aol.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: August trip You'll be on the 'road', the North Platte. Check out the river. Walk along it. Feel it. That's where 'they" went. Check out where the South Platte breaks off from the North platte. Get the journals that talk about where they camped. Stephen H. Long's expedition, described in "From Pittsburgh to the rocky Mountains" by Maxine Benson is excellent for that. Pat. Surrena #1449 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 17:35:36 -0800 From: "JON P TOWNS" <AMM944@prodigy.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: August trip This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD4926.4611D2C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Last July my new bride and I went on our honeymoon to SD WY MT ID the museum of the fur trade is excellent, come from the south to The Mammoth site at Hot Springs SD then up to Crazy Horse Mont. Mt Rushmore, to Deadwood SD, Sturgis SD, go west to WY to Devils Tower, North to The Crow reservation at the battle of the bighorn. You'll love it. We did. This year we are going to Pierres Hole ID near Driggs ID To our AMM national for a few days then to some fishing in Yellowstone. Well have fun I could tell you more places in WY but you didn't say you were going west much. Later Jon Towns - ---------- : From: Addison O. Miller <sean@naplesnet.com> : To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com : Subject: MtMan-List: August trip : Date: Friday, March 06, 1998 8:57 AM : : I am taking a FANTASTIC trip this summer (August)to Nebraska and the : Dakotas. Am definately going to stop and see the Museum of the Fur Trade, : the Black Hills, Cabella's <chuckles>, etc... Anyone got any other points of : interest in Nebraska and the Dakotas to see with regards to the Fur Trade?? : : Any help would be appreciated. I'd love some little out of the way places : that are not well known... ghost towns, etc... : : Thanks : : Addison Miller : aka SeanBear : - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD4926.4611D2C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head></head><BODY bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">Last July my new bride and I went on = our honeymoon to SD WY MT ID the museum of the fur trade is excellent, = come from the south to The Mammoth site at Hot Springs SD then up to = Crazy Horse Mont. Mt Rushmore, to Deadwood SD, Sturgis = SD, go west to WY to Devils Tower, North to The Crow = reservation at the battle of the bighorn. You'll love it. We = did. This year we are going to Pierres Hole ID near Driggs ID To = our AMM national for a few days then to some fishing in Yellowstone. = Well have fun I could tell you more places in WY but you didn't = say you were going west much. Later Jon = Towns ---------- : From: Addison O. Miller <sean@naplesnet.com> : To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com : Subject: MtMan-List: August trip : Date: = Friday, March 06, 1998 8:57 AM : : I am taking a FANTASTIC trip = this summer (August)to Nebraska and the : Dakotas. Am definately = going to stop and see the Museum of the Fur Trade, : the Black Hills, = Cabella's <chuckles>, etc... Anyone got any other points of : = interest in Nebraska and the Dakotas to see with regards to the Fur = Trade?? : : Any help would be appreciated. I'd love some = little out of the way places : that are not well known... ghost = towns, etc... : : Thanks : : Addison Miller : aka = SeanBear : </body></html> - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD4926.4611D2C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 02:36:52 EST From: SWcushing <SWcushing@aol.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trip to Alabama Scott, I just finished reading your outstanding article on Fort Frederick in this month's "Muzzleloader". It is on the top of my list of places to visit when I get back east. I'll show you Fort Vancouver iffin you get out this way. Steve ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #34 ****************************** - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.