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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #18 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Thursday, February 12 1998 Volume 01 : Number 018 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 05:37:51 -0600 From: fortpit@pconline.com Subject: MtMan-List: Att Matt (RK lodge) RK's are the best I have 3 also. They stand by there work. I went to that factory as I live in MN very nice people. I have a Marque, Bellback Wedge, and a very large rev war hospital wedge. Never had a problem with there product.........Ian Capt. Ian Fraser McClinter "SCOTTUS NOBILIS" the ROYAL TRIBE OF JUDAH http://www.pconline.com/~fortpit/ fortpit@pconline.com <center> </center> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 06:18:04 -0600 From: Jim Lindberg <jal@cray.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Time, touchwood, & Thompson Scott Allen wrote: > > Gary, > > Touchwood is a gray to gray/brown horseshoe shaped fungus that grows > on the side of trees. I've mostly found it on old maple or oak. You > char it as you would cloth. It holds a spark much longer and hotter > than anything else I've seen. > > Your most humble servant, > Scott Allen > Hunter and Scout for Fort Frederick > Fairplay, MD > http://members.tripod.com/~SCOTT Scott, do you slice it before you char it? Getting to use this has been one of my goals this year, I tried doing one once before, but over chared it and it was very crumbly. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 05:31:24 -0600 From: fortpit@pconline.com Subject: MtMan-List: Att Debbi (snowshoes) Dear Debbi: If you ask this fellow real nice, He will help you with any information you may need in the constuction of the snowwalker. He lives on the shores of lake Superior. I think he sleeps with the darn things. He is Part Ojibwa and learned the craft from his elders............Ian Oh yeah His name is pierre Gerard sgtsam@cp.duluth.mn.us Capt. Ian Fraser McClinter "SCOTTUS NOBILIS" the ROYAL TRIBE OF JUDAH http://www.pconline.com/~fortpit/ fortpit@pconline.com <center> </center> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 06:26:13 -0600 From: Jim Lindberg <jal@cray.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Snowshoes I made a pair of Tubbs snowshoes from a kit, it was a class offered at a local nature center. The kit we did used neoprene webbing, but I believe that they said they made a rawhide kit. Tubbs has a web page at: http://tubbssnowshoes.com/ Hope this helps, btw I was glad I did the class ($90) there are a couple of mistakes in the instructions, having taught the class a number of times, our instructor was aware of them. Jim - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ /`-_ Jim Lindberg |Les Voyageurs du Val du Chippewa { . }/ 724 East Grand Avenue | \ / Chippewa Falls, WI 54729 USA |Sweete water and light laughter, |___| http://reality.sgi.com/jal/ |Until we next meete. Go Gentle. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 07:59:33 -0500 From: "Scott Allen" <allen@blueridge-ef.SAIC.COM> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Snowshoes Debbi, A good source for instructions is the book "Wildwood Wisdom" by Ellsworth Yeager. Very simple to follow instructions and it should be available in your local library. Your most humble servant, Scott Allen Hunter and Scout for Fort Frederick Fairplay, MD http://members.tripod.com/~SCOTT ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:45:21 -0600 (CST) From: mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU (Henry B. Crawford) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Drannan Hoax >>Have you heard of book "thirty one years in the plains and in the >>mountains" by william f. drannon or drannan? I believe it may be a >>hoax. author describes too many instances w/ Kit carson & many >>other coincedences esp.w/ Modoc war which I doubt. >> Yes, it is completely bogus. It is still collectable, however, because it is perhaps the best example of a purely ficticious "autobiography." Drannan had it printed in large quantities and personally marketed it. You can still find them in abundance. I think I paid 5.00 for mine about 12 years ago in a Milwaukee used book store. Don't get me wrong. It's an entertaining read as far as fiction goes, but don't believe a word of it. Cheers, HBC ***************************************** Henry B. Crawford Curator of History mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Museum of Texas Tech University 806/742-2442 Box 43191 FAX 742-1136 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum ************** "Make it so!" *************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:22:35 -0500 From: "Scott Allen" <allen@blueridge-ef.SAIC.COM> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Time, touchwood, & Thompson Jim wrote: Scott, do you slice it before you char it? Getting to use this has been one of my goals this year, I tried doing one once before, but over chared it and it was very crumbly. Jim, Sounds like you may have charred it too long.I gather this stuff when it is small and have never sliced it, just threw it in my char tin along with any punkwood or cloth to char. Never had a problem. Watch your tin for flame and put it out immediately if flames are coming out the air hole. Watch for puffs of smoke indicating it is done, pull out of the fire, plug the hole, and let sit until cool enough to handle barehanded. This will insure you don't open it too quickly and cause the char to burn up. Your most humble servant, Scott Allen Hunter and Scout for Fort Frederick Fairplay, MD http://members.tripod.com/~SCOTT ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:59:57 -0500 (EST) From: Philip Huvler <huv@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Flashguards At 05:46 PM 1/19/98 EST, you wrote: >How....the list, > I'm headed up to the "Rain de voo" in Olympia, WA next month and I'm trying >to fit a flashguard to my smoothbore. The lock is a "Tulle" type and has an >unbridled frizzen....so the guard just goes under the screw that the frizzen >rotates on......if I tighten it up, it goes up and down with the frizzen. Is >this correct? .. or should it remain in a fixed postion. If I tighten the >screw down, the frizzen will not flip up! Bumming me out....... >On my rifle, ( it has a large Siler) I've got a long screw and nut (it's got >a bridle) so not a problem.....and the flashguard remains fixed. >Steve >I pinned mine to the pan 2 little copper pins hold it > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:06:12 -0700 From: Tom Buesing <tom-b@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: In tents mosquito discussion? Here's a web site for marquee and pyramid plus many other types. Can't vouch for them, just looks interesting. www2.strinz.com/tipi/ Tom B. Angela Gottfred wrote: > I > haven't found any documentation for marquees or pyramid tents for my area > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:43:55 EST From: J2HEARTS@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: In tents mosquito discussion? Angela, I have on occasions used the silk hankerchief I ware around my neck to lay over my face when mosquitos have become unbearable at night. It works to some degree but the critters have little problem "biting" right through it if they so choose. I suspect the silk hankerchiefs worn by the old ones were used for similiar things. John Funk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:10:27 -0500 (EST) From: Philip Huvler <huv@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Tipi >I have a 18'tipi with 27' poles I used drive to all the events in my Renault Alliance. the car suffered none from hauling this load and it was fun watching the police shuffling through their lawbooks trying to find a reason to stop me:) panther primitive as always been good to me and they stand behind what they sell Philip ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:11:25 -0600 From: Jim Lindberg <jal@cray.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Time, touchwood, & Thompson Scott Allen wrote: > > Sounds like you may have charred it too long.I gather this stuff when > it is small and have never sliced it, just threw it in my char tin > along with any punkwood or cloth to char. Never had a problem. Watch > your tin for flame and put it out immediately if flames are coming > out the air hole. Watch for puffs of smoke indicating it is done, > pull out of the fire, plug the hole, and let sit until cool enough to > handle barehanded. This will insure you don't open it too quickly and > cause the char to burn up. > > Your most humble servant, > Scott Allen > Hunter and Scout for Fort Frederick > Fairplay, MD > http://members.tripod.com/~SCOTT When starting a fire, would you use a whole "small" shelve mushroom (that's what I call them)? Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 13:31:50 -0700 From: "L. A. Romsa" <LROMSA1@missc.state.wy.us> Subject: MtMan-List: BrokenJaw Hey Caw, I replied to your smoke signal,, but I'm having=20 trouble with this server thingie. Did you receive my response? L.A.(BrokenJaw) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:58:26 -0800 From: "The Windhams" <windham@jps.net> Subject: [none] Don't remember who it was asking about snow shoes, but it sent me looking in all my books , knew I'd seen them things some where. there's a book by W. ben Hunt : called the complete how-to book of Indiancraft published by collier Books. on page#127 there are plans for building snow shoes, you'll have to blow the plans , unless you can read fine print, myself it would take 5 pairs of glasses to read. Good luck Rick http://www.ptw.com/~lazttanze/home/blackhawk/html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 15:25:45 -0800 From: "JON P TOWNS" <AMM944@prodigy.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: In tents mosquito discussion? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD3701.526FDE40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit back in the mid 80's held some type of nationals near the Grand Coolie Dam in eastern Washington they call it Old Dusty but the deer flies and mosquitoes were real bad. So my son Pete rubbed garlic cloves on our skin and the bugs stayed away. Later Jon T - ---------- : From: J2HEARTS@aol.com : To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com : Subject: Re: MtMan-List: In tents mosquito discussion? : Date: Wednesday, February 11, 1998 8:43 AM : : Angela, : : I have on occasions used the silk hankerchief I ware around my neck to lay : over my face when mosquitos have become unbearable at night. It works to some : degree but the critters have little problem "biting" right through it if they : so choose. I suspect the silk hankerchiefs worn by the old ones were used for : similiar things. : : John Funk - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD3701.526FDE40 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head></head><BODY bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">back in the mid 80's held some type of = nationals near the Grand Coolie Dam in eastern Washington they call it = Old Dusty but the deer flies and mosquitoes were real bad. So my = son Pete rubbed garlic cloves on our skin and the bugs stayed away. = Later Jon T ---------- : From: J2HEARTS@aol.com : = To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com : Subject: Re: MtMan-List: In tents mosquito = discussion? : Date: Wednesday, February 11, 1998 8:43 AM : : = Angela, : : I have on occasions used the silk hankerchief I = ware around my neck to lay : over my face when mosquitos have become = unbearable at night. It works to some : degree but the critters = have little problem "biting" right through it if they : so = choose. I suspect the silk hankerchiefs worn by the old ones were = used for : similiar things. : : John Funk </body></html> - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD3701.526FDE40-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 20:59:38 -0600 From: SAGERIDER1 <SAGERIDER1@prodigy.net> Subject: MtMan-List: HIGH PLAINS kat wrote: > > I am not bad mouthing Panther by any stretch. They have a wonderful > catalog. However -- I tried on two different occasions to order lodges from > them. Very basic off the shelf pieces. I was told a minimum of 16 WEEKS > before they could ship the first time, and a minimum of 12 WEEKS the second > time I tried to order from them. I then went to RK Lodges. I personally > have 3 of them. They have excellent workmanship and prices. I haven't had > to wait more than 7 or 10 DAYS to have the tent in my hands. They are the > first people I try and deal with. > > Kat Hargus > Owner, Making Time > www.makingtime.com > > Name: WINMAIL.DAT > Part 1.2 Type: unspecified type (application/octet-stream) > Encoding: x-uuencode HELLO EVERYONE!! I am the booshway for the 1998 High Plains Regional Rendezvous being held in Brainerd, MN this summer. I would like to invite all of you and your families to this 1st ever event for MN!! Please check out the High Plains web page at: http://pages.prodigy.com/cedarcreekoutfitters/hp1998.htm I hope to see you all there......... Little Crow ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:38:45 EST From: tedhart@juno.com (Ted A Hart) Subject: [none] Mr Newbill, Your e-mail name didn't work. Could you try to e-mail me direct? Thanks. Ted _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:32:14 -0500 From: darlene <darlene@sssnet.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Tipi maybe you can do all this with a pryamid type type tent,but i do not know of any documentation that this is period correct.i do not thinkthey are & besides i think they look like crap ( only my opinion) my family has been doing the rendezvouing for the past 15 years & as of this day no one has been able to document these lodges to my knoledge. this is the first time i have responded to anything on this site & if i step on any toes shoot me at a vou.we have had several different types of lodges from a 10x10 lean to to now a 15x21 marque which is now just my wife & i. if ya ever get to the eastern locate a brother of ivory mountain & ask where shootshimself is camped & then come look me up,& i might offer ya a cold 1. shootshimselfAt 06:59 PM 2/9/98 PST, you wrote: >Before you buy a tipi look at a medium sized tallboy pryamid tent. You >can put it up with one pole in the center, two poles outside set up as >shears or with no poles at all by tying it to a convenient overhanging >limb. Plus you can actually transport one in a small car. You might stuff >a tipi cover, liner and ozan into a small car but I want to see where you >carry a couple of dozen poles. Good luck, one way or the other. > >Lanney Ratcliff >rat@htcomp.net >------- >> Hoy, the net! >> >> I appreciate all the knowledge you hivernants have shared with this here >> pilgrim! Let me hit you up for one more... >> >> My wife and I go to a week long camp every year with my work. I am >afraid I >> have no choice in this one! Every body else has "tin tipis" with all the >> fixin's... we have a small car. With my love of buckskinning, and two >camp >> outs or more each year, we are thinking of getting a tipi for it. (We >don't >> have kids yet but plan to start on that one soon enough!) So here are my >> questions: >> >> What are the best tipis at a good price? >> >> How can we move them around with a small car? >> >> And the most important one... HOW DO WE KEEP OUT MOSQUITOS AND OTHER >PESTS? >> >> Your advice is appreciated as usual. >> >> Thanks, >> >> John Fleming >> Detroit, Michigan >> >> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:44:41 -0500 From: darlene <darlene@sssnet.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Time, touchwood, & Thompson At 11:34 AM 2/10/98 -0500, you wrote: hello the camp there are several types of this fungus that grow,here in central ohio we have what is known as shelf fungus & it works great fot touch wood,also punky type oak or maple work great for this also.just remember to char it out doors as it really stinks when charring. shootshimself >Gary, > >Touchwood is a gray to gray/brown horseshoe shaped fungus that grows >on the side of trees. I've mostly found it on old maple or oak. You >char it as you would cloth. It holds a spark much longer and hotter >than anything else I've seen. > > >Your most humble servant, >Scott Allen >Hunter and Scout for Fort Frederick >Fairplay, MD >http://members.tripod.com/~SCOTT > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:58:04 -0800 From: tigrbo1 <tigrbo1@ibm.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Snowshoes Todd and Debbi Wraga wrote: > > I came across this email and am wondering if you might be able to help > me out. A friend of mines daughter wants to make a pair of snowshoes, > however we are having a difficult time finding any patterns or > instructions. I was wondering if you might be able to forward on any > information. > > 802-362-0967 Fax > Debbi Wraga > RR 1 Box 2129 > Pawlet, VT 05761 Greetings Todd & Debbi The Complete How-To Book Of Indiancraft by W. Ben Hunt has info on some different types of snowshoes on pages 124-127. If you are unable to find the book, I'll be glad to copy the pages and send them to you. Best regards, Terry Smith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 01:58:36 -0500 From: hawknest4@juno.com (Michael Pierce) Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Time, touchwood, & Thompson by the MSG that you were writing i think i must have missed something in the translation. if you are trying to make char cloth then it is quite simple. the only real problem is that you must use pure cotton or linnon. best method that i have found is to use a percussion cap box if you only want to make a small amount or a metal bandade box if you want a larger amount. best materials that i have found are old tea shirts, old towels, or old automotive grease rags. whatever you are using it must be clean. cut it into squares and pack in the metal container not over tight. the contaner should have a hole in it from a small finishing nail. place the container in the coles of your fire or in a barbicue pit. let it cook until it stops smokeing then take it out of the fire. plug the hole and let cool(CAUTION) dont open for at least 1 hr). the cloth should be very dark almost like charecole with it totally black. do not put your fingers on the char prior to using. only take out what you need and close up the contaner when not in use. i normally plug the vent hole so that it will not draw moisture. the best nest i have found is made from fine hemp thread totally unraveled and rolled in your hands to make it bunch up. it will ignite better if you put it in the oven and cook it for a while to get the moisture out of it. then place it in a bandaid box . i have built a many of a blaze in less than 10 seconds using this method. you must also have a good rock and a good steel-- i guard mine with my life and they are always in my shooting bag in my firebox. i always think one strike and one blow. when making my fires. "Hawk" Michael Pierce 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor, florida 34684 1-(813) 771-1815 e-mail:hawknest4@juno.com On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:11:25 -0600 Jim Lindberg <jal@cray.com> writes: >Scott Allen wrote: > >> >> Sounds like you may have charred it too long.I gather this stuff >when >> it is small and have never sliced it, just threw it in my char tin >> along with any punkwood or cloth to char. Never had a problem. Watch >> your tin for flame and put it out immediately if flames are coming >> out the air hole. Watch for puffs of smoke indicating it is done, >> pull out of the fire, plug the hole, and let sit until cool enough >to >> handle barehanded. This will insure you don't open it too quickly >and >> cause the char to burn up. >> >> Your most humble servant, >> Scott Allen >> Hunter and Scout for Fort Frederick >> Fairplay, MD >> http://members.tripod.com/~SCOTT > >When starting a fire, would you use a whole "small" shelve mushroom >(that's what I call them)? > >Jim > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 07:45:38 -0500 From: "Scott Allen" <allen@blueridge-ef.SAIC.COM> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Time, touchwood, & Thompson Jim wrote: When starting a fire, would you use a whole "small" shelve mushroom (that's what I call them)? Jim, I don't know if these are the same as your standard "shelf fungus". They are very small and yes, I use the whole thing. I usually have several in my tin and just strike spark into it (flint downward to steel instead of vice versa) until I get a glow on one. I take that one out and close the lid tightly to extinguish any others in the tin. From there it is just like using char cloth except you get a better and hotter coal from touchwood. Good luck! Your most humble servant, Scott Allen Hunter and Scout for Fort Frederick Fairplay, MD http://members.tripod.com/~SCOTT ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:24:57 -0500 From: "Scott Allen" <allen@blueridge-ef.SAIC.COM> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Time, touchwood, & Thompson Michael wrote: by the MSG that you were writing i think i must have missed something in the translation. if you are trying to make char cloth then it is quite simple. Michael, Yes you did miss alittle. We were discussing alternatives to char cloth. Most of us are under the opinion that they didn't carry cloth to char, but used natural materials. Touchwood is one of the best I've found and there are many references to it in hisorical documents. Your most humble servant, Scott Allen Hunter and Scout for Fort Frederick Fairplay, MD http://members.tripod.com/~SCOTT ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:02:49 -0800 From: Richard Spencer <omega_strings@eee.org> Subject: MtMan-List: Char Cloth Hello the List, There have been several messages concerning the best material for char cloth. It's important to note that all natural fiber fabric manufacturered in the U.S. is treated with a fire retardant by law. This fire retardant also makes your char harder to light. My favorite is raw cotton right off the plant, seeds and all. It will catch the smallest spark and burn better and hotter than any material I have ever seen. NO ONE who has used it has ever gone back to what they used before. Richard Spencer ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:28:21 -0600 (CST) From: mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU (Henry B. Crawford) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Char Cloth >Hello the List, > >There have been several messages concerning the best material for char >cloth. It's important to note that all natural fiber fabric >manufacturered in the U.S. is treated with a fire retardant by law. This >fire retardant also makes your char harder to light. My favorite is raw >cotton right off the plant, seeds and all. It will catch the smallest >spark and burn better and hotter than any material I have ever seen. NO >ONE who has used it has ever gone back to what they used before. > >Richard Spencer I've been using unbleached muslin from the cloth store for years. By definition it is 100% cotton. I don't think it's treated. Even if it is, it still makes a great charcloth. It's also very cheap, at a couple o' bucks for a 60" yard. That'll keep you in charcloth for quite a spell. Since this is cotton country, the raw stuff is easy to get. Just drive down the road during the harvest and it's all over the place. It spills out of the trucks because they pack it VERY full. The best time to get it is October. That's peak harvest time around here, and the gins are running 24-7. HBC ***************************************** Henry B. Crawford Curator of History mxhbc@ttacs.ttu.edu Museum of Texas Tech University 806/742-2442 Box 43191 FAX 742-1136 Lubbock, TX 79409-3191 WEBSITE: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum ************** "Make it so!" *************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:02:37 -0500 From: hawknest4@juno.com (Michael Pierce) Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Time, touchwood, & Thompson thanks for your input i guess i was a wondering child in the wilderness I do agree with you. I have made and used touchwood several times it works super, but i have never called it touchwood only char. I have read about touchwood in several journels but have always considered it as basic char, and i have used many different things to catch the spark and start a fire i guess from my ignorance. on one ocasionin the military i even used steel wool and a spark to get a fire started. when i was a kid there was an old man that came from oregon that setteled in my home town and was probably the first person that i ever saw that shot a muzzleloader and he always carried a fire box in his shooting bag. He never carried matches . he made his char from this moss groath that i speak of but never used the term touchwood. he was able to start a fire in almost any weather and that is who i learned from. when i knew him he was in his 80's and that was around 1950. he always carried a bunch of hemp tow which grew wild on his place and used that for his nest and to clean his rifle with. we got to be very good friends and he and i hunted and fished a lot together . i have never forgot a lot of the woods smarts lessons the man gave me. these lessons helped me a lot when i was in the military. He gave me one of his rifles which i still have today, and it still shoots as true as the day he gave it to me. I guess in different parts of the country there are many things that you can make char or touchwood from. i was raised in arkansas and there is a moss groath that i have used that works quite well. you still have to chare it in the same way as charcloth to get it to work well. it has been my experience that yes it will be a hotter starter but seems a little more difficult to get to catch the spark. thanks for your return comments keep your nose to the wind and your eyes along the skyline. "Hawk" Michael Pierce 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor, florida 34684 1-(813) 771-1815 On Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:24:57 -0500 "Scott Allen" <allen@blueridge-ef.SAIC.COM> writes: >Michael wrote: >by the MSG that you were writing i think i must have missed something >in >the translation. > >if you are trying to make char cloth then it is quite simple. > >Michael, > >Yes you did miss alittle. We were discussing alternatives to char >cloth. Most of us are under the opinion that they didn't carry cloth >to char, but used natural materials. Touchwood is one of the best >I've found and there are many references to it in hisorical >documents. > > >Your most humble servant, >Scott Allen >Hunter and Scout for Fort Frederick >Fairplay, MD >http://members.tripod.com/~SCOTT > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 17:57:47 PST From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Tipi In my 1910 copy of Francis Parkman's book "The Oregon Trail" Parkman describes the pyramid tent he took to the mountains in 1846. That was good enough for me. You also might request a back copy of the spring 1980 issue of the Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly and read "Some Notes on Tents of the Western Fur Trade" written by Charles Hanson. If I run across more information I will forward it. This tent style is commonly held to be authentic but if you don't like their looks then it is probably not for you. I also thought they looked like crap until I saw a tent with an extra tall peak. The looks were improved and the actual living space inside was much better. I am six feet six inches tall and the increased living space was a major consederation for me. Plus, they can be put up in a fraction of the time required of other tents. I applaud your interest in autheticity and wish those who use Bakers and Whelens shared your need to be "right". Too many rendezvous tend to be nothing more that halloween weenie roasts, anyway. Lanney Ratcliff rat@htcomp.net --------- > maybe you can do all this with a pryamid type type tent,but i do not know > of any documentation that this is period correct.i do not thinkthey are & > besides i think they look like crap ( only my opinion) my family has been > doing the rendezvouing for the past 15 years & as of this day no one has > been able to document these lodges to my knoledge. > > this is the first time i have responded to anything on this site & if i > step on any toes shoot me at a vou.we have had several different types of > lodges from a 10x10 lean to to now a 15x21 marque which is now just my wife > & i. > > if ya ever get to the eastern locate a brother of ivory mountain & ask > where shootshimself is camped & then come look me up,& i might offer ya a > cold 1. > > shootshimselfAt 06:59 PM 2/9/98 PST, you wrote: > >Before you buy a tipi look at a medium sized tallboy pryamid tent. You > >can put it up with one pole in the center, two poles outside set up as > >shears or with no poles at all by tying it to a convenient overhanging > >limb. Plus you can actually transport one in a small car. You might stuff > >a tipi cover, liner and ozan into a small car but I want to see where you > >carry a couple of dozen poles. Good luck, one way or the other. > > > >Lanney Ratcliff > >rat@htcomp.net > >------- > >> Hoy, the net! > >> > >> I appreciate all the knowledge you hivernants have shared with this here > >> pilgrim! Let me hit you up for one more... > >> > >> My wife and I go to a week long camp every year with my work. I am > >afraid I > >> have no choice in this one! Every body else has "tin tipis" with all the > >> fixin's... we have a small car. With my love of buckskinning, and two > >camp > >> outs or more each year, we are thinking of getting a tipi for it. (We > >don't > >> have kids yet but plan to start on that one soon enough!) So here are my > >> questions: > >> > >> What are the best tipis at a good price? > >> > >> How can we move them around with a small car? > >> > >> And the most important one... HOW DO WE KEEP OUT MOSQUITOS AND OTHER > >PESTS? > >> > >> Your advice is appreciated as usual. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> John Fleming > >> Detroit, Michigan > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #18 ****************************** - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.