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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Saturday, January 10 1998 Volume 01 : Number 001 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 06:03:10 -0800 From: "JON P TOWNS" <AMM944@prodigy.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Fw: straw at Mt Man Doins This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD1BFB.18A43D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - ---------- : ---------- : : From: Jon P. Towns amm944@bigfoot.com : : To: : : Subject: re:Fwd: MtMan-List: Straw at mountain man doing's : : Date: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 7:47 AM : : : : 90 % of the public won't say any thing. But people are not stupid. They : : : know what straw is and I have heard people ask did Mt men carry straw? : : Now my wife and I are both 56 years old she has a terrible back. Myself : : I'm just broke and we take and use extra blankets to lay on. Now I was : : concerned that my new bride wouldn't be able to camp primitive. Boy was : I : : fooled she said that she slept better on the ground then in our motor : : home. Which is the pits even on my back which is fair. Now my hips are : : sore after a week or more because I sleep on my side. But a small sheep : : skin helps.. I know people that are bed ridden use them to keep bed sores : : : down. So why would you even want to tote along straw anyway. Its a mess : : : to clean up and just another thing to carry in. Now some of us purist to : : : quote you don't just drive in and drop our gear in most functions we : carry : : our gear in on our backs or a Mormon cart or even a wheel borrow. I know : : : Mt men didn't use wheel borrows, and carts but it is easier to tell the : : public or keep the questions down and most of the time we are all set up : : when the public sees us. Now as an AMM member I have 1000's of hours of : : research and working on our gear after 20 years its hard for me to see an : : : old brother come carrying his bed roll who's in his late 70's who never : : complains about how hard it is to lay on the ground. I just couldn't : look : : at my self in the morning if I complained about how hard it is to conform : : : to the old ways I thought that is why we are doing this is to experience : : what the old brothers did. So enjoy your straw and cleaning up the : mess. : : Later Purist Jon Towns : Aux Ailments de Pays! : - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD1BFB.18A43D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head></head><BODY bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"> ---------- : ---------- : = : From: Jon P. Towns amm944@bigfoot.com : = : To: : : Subject: re:Fwd: MtMan-List: Straw at mountain man = doing's : : Date: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 7:47 AM : : : : 90 = % of the public won't say any thing. But people are not stupid. = They : : : know what straw is and I have heard people ask = did Mt men carry straw? : : Now my wife and I are both 56 = years old she has a terrible back. Myself : : I'm just broke = and we take and use extra blankets to lay on. Now I was : : = concerned that my new bride wouldn't be able to camp primitive. = Boy was : I : : fooled she said that she slept better on = the ground then in our motor : : home. Which is the pits even = on my back which is fair. Now my hips are : : sore after a = week or more because I sleep on my side. But a small sheep : : = skin helps.. I know people that are bed ridden use them to keep bed = sores : : : down. So why would you even want to tote along = straw anyway. Its a mess : : : to clean up and just another = thing to carry in. Now some of us purist to : : : quote you = don't just drive in and drop our gear in most functions we : carry = : : our gear in on our backs or a Mormon cart or even a wheel = borrow. I know : : : Mt men didn't use wheel borrows, and = carts but it is easier to tell the : : public or keep the questions = down and most of the time we are all set up : : when the public sees = us. Now as an AMM member I have 1000's of hours of : : = research and working on our gear after 20 years its hard for me to see = an : : : old brother come carrying his bed roll who's in his late = 70's who never : : complains about how hard it is to lay on the = ground. I just couldn't : look : : at my self in the = morning if I complained about how hard it is to conform : : : to = the old ways I thought that is why we are doing this is to experience = : : what the old brothers did. So enjoy your straw and = cleaning up the : mess. : : Later Purist Jon Towns = : Aux Ailments de Pays! : </body></html> - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD1BFB.18A43D80-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 10:37:14 -0600 From: Glenn Darilek <llsi@texas.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: straw at Mt Man Doins JON P TOWNS wrote: > So why would you even want to tote along straw anyway. Its a mess > to clean up and just another thing to carry in. You make good points for the purists. For your run-of-the-mill buckskinning rendezvous I have seen some use hay. Gives a nice smell to the bed. Since around here most rendezvous are held on ranch land, the land owner is glad to have the extra feed for the cattle, so we leave the hay there. I tried it once, but found out it is best to leave the bed intact until just before you leave. We had to deal with several hay-eating "spotted buffalos" in our camp while we were trying to pack up our gear. Iron Burner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 12:06:39 -0800 From: Dave Parks <kc7cnw@magick.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Re: straw beds Iron Burner has hit the nail on the head, for all the city folks....theres a big difference between STRAW and HAY and there is differences in the hays as well. Straw is about the last thing that should be taken to a 'Voo or camp. Straw is the shaft that is left standing after the grain crop has been combined (cut, for the city people). This is then cut and baled and sold as straw. It is used for many purposes, but not for ANIMAL FEED.It has very little nutritional benefits. It will have to be picked up and removed after most rendezvous are over, although it does break down in time. Various hays work just as good for bedding and like Iron Burner stated, it can be left at the site in most cases as it will be eaten by either domestic stock or wild critters.(sometimes before you you want them to!) I prefer to use one of the various grass hays. These are available at most feed stores for those living in the "Asphalt Countryside". Ask for grass hay, not alfalfa. Timothy, Oats and Peas or just a regular pasture mix grass hay will do. Alfalfa is just "TOO STICKY" to lay on, but will work for bedding. I prefer Timothy hay. For those of you that do a lot of 'Voo's each year, at our ranch in Fort Rock, Oregon.....our baler puts 'em up in 1/2 ton bales! That would last you awhile!! Or you could buy a 1/2 ton round bale and just roll it out at rendezvous and sleep a whole group on it! Grass hay around here runs between $1.50 & $2.00 a bale ($1.00 a bale if rained on) Timothy is a kind of specialized hay grown for the horse market. It makes great bedding and runs about $4.50 a bale. Our 28% protein alfalfa here at Fort Rock is going for $130.00 a ton this year. Yup, I imagine them "Hardcore Boys" not only go barfoot in the snow and drink muddy water, but they also sleep in a hollow log and use a rock for a pillow! Oh well, if'n thats how their stick floats, it's fine with me. For me, I think I'll use a little Timothy hay.......just for the critters to eat ofcourse, not for my comfort, O.K.? As for...did Mountain Men carry straw around with them? The answer is, ofcourse NOT! it was gathered as needed from the areas where they camped as was pine boughs, etc. I reckon a 12 lb. rifle and a fifty lb. beaver was enough to carry on a daily basis! Regards, _M_ Manywounds W ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 21:54:02 EST From: JSeminerio <JSeminerio@aol.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Bed Hardware ???? Just out of curiosity. (beware that phrase !!!!) Talking about bring a period bed to rendezvous, does anyone know if plans are available for Lafayette's Travelling four post bed that's shown in Collector's Illustarted Encyclopedia of the American Revolution ? I am not a member of the AMM although I've been a buckskinner for a long time. Is it okay to post to this board ??? If not, hope I did not offend anyone and HAPPY NEW YEAR either way. Thanks JS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:12:21 -0600 From: "Michael Branson" <mikebransn@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: straw beds Here in Colorado and in Wyoming, Utah, and Montana hay must be approved for use at Rendezvous if you hold the event on US Forest Service land. They do not want weed seed from foreign vegetation being seeded at various mountain sites. It seems to be the way of the future. M. Branson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 05:58:58 -0800 From: "JON P TOWNS" <AMM944@prodigy.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: straw at Mt Man Doins This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD1CC3.AD3E8CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I never thought about the troubles camping in a pasture. Do you know the similarities between a Old Mt Man and a buffalo turd? Give up? The Older they get the easier they are to pick up. Later Jon T purist. Ps I never thought about the weed seeds. I pay a noxious weed tax on my Ranch land. : From: Glenn Darilek <llsi@texas.net> : To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com : Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: straw at Mt Man Doins : Date: Thursday, January 08, 1998 8:37 AM : : JON P TOWNS wrote: : : > So why would you even want to tote along straw anyway. Its a mess : > to clean up and just another thing to carry in. : : You make good points for the purists. : : For your run-of-the-mill buckskinning rendezvous I have seen some use : hay. Gives a nice smell to the bed. Since around here most rendezvous : are held on ranch land, the land owner is glad to have the extra feed : for the cattle, so we leave the hay there. I tried it once, but found : out it is best to leave the bed intact until just before you leave. We : had to deal with several hay-eating "spotted buffalos" in our camp while : we were trying to pack up our gear. : : Iron Burner - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD1CC3.AD3E8CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head></head><BODY bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">I never thought about the troubles = camping in a pasture. Do you know the similarities between a Old = Mt Man and a buffalo turd? Give up? The Older they get the = easier they are to pick up. Later Jon T purist. Ps I never = thought about the weed seeds. I pay a noxious weed tax on my = Ranch land. : From: Glenn Darilek = <llsi@texas.net> : To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com : Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: straw at Mt Man = Doins : Date: Thursday, January 08, 1998 8:37 AM : : JON P = TOWNS wrote: : : > So why would you even want to tote along = straw anyway. Its a mess : > to clean up and just another = thing to carry in. : : You make good points for the = purists. : : For your run-of-the-mill buckskinning rendezvous I = have seen some use : hay. Gives a nice smell to the bed. = Since around here most rendezvous : are held on ranch land, the = land owner is glad to have the extra feed : for the cattle, so we = leave the hay there. I tried it once, but found : out it is = best to leave the bed intact until just before you leave. We : = had to deal with several hay-eating "spotted buffalos" in our = camp while : we were trying to pack up our gear. : : Iron = Burner </body></html> - ------=_NextPart_000_01BD1CC3.AD3E8CC0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 09:48:14 -0600 From: Jim Lindberg <jal@cray.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Finishing wood bowls Winter being a good time to do such things, we have a number of wood bowl aquired during the summer and I would like to strip them and finish them with safety and period in mind. Any hints out there? Thanks, Jim - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ /`-_ Jim Lindberg |Les Voyageurs du Val du Chippewa { . }/ 724 East Grand Avenue | \ / Chippewa Falls, WI 54729 USA |Sweete water and light laughter, |___| http://reality.sgi.com/jal |Until we next meete. Go Gentle. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 07:40:00 -0800 From: Dennis Fisher <dfisher@sbceo.k12.ca.us> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: straw beds I have noticed in Stuart's journal that what he called straw and what we call straw are two different things. His idea of straw is something that grows in river bottoms or along the margin of rivers. He mentioned that some it was 5 feet tall. He also took notice of an indian dwelling that was made of it. He also talks about grass, buffalo grass, etc. so I don't think it is a type of grass. It sounds like it may have been some kind of reed. Any ideas? Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 09:51:41 -0600 From: Glenn Darilek <llsi@texas.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: straw at Mt Man Doins JON P TOWNS wrote: >. . . camping in a pasture . . . When Europeans first came to Texas, most of the area was expansive grasslands, and in the 1820-1840's the same held true. Now most of the prairie is gone from around here (Central Texas) because the white man put out the prairie fires that killed young trees. So now, trees are the norm, with juniper and mesquite being the curses of the ranchers. So technically speaking, some rendezvous are held in pastures, but they do not fit the usual image of a field with nothing but grass. The rendezvous that I spoke of "spotted buffalos" grazing on my hay bed cushion happens to be the site of the 1998 Southwestern Regional Rendezvous, which is a very nice site for a rendezvous. Well this is a lot of verbage only to shameleslessly plug the SWRR for my friends. See: http://www.sat.net/~robenhaus/swrr.htm Iron Burner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:09:13 EST From: Casapy123 <Casapy123@aol.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: straw at Mt Man Doins I've camped on the ground for many years, from Boy Scouts to family outings and lots of time at Mountain Man doin's. I've slept on air mattress, thinsulite pads, straw, foam rubber, just about every contrivance you could think of trying to be comfortable. Believe it or not, I sleep best right on the ground with hip holes and shoulder holes scooped out to conform to my body. I often carry a sheep hide with its thick wool still attached, to place under my upper body. But the use of hip holes will make all the difference in the world when sleeping on the ground. Without them, my back aches all night as gravity tries to flatten me in places I weren't meant to be flattened. If you've never taken the time to scoop some hip holes, try this before you go to the trouble of luggin hay or straw. Jim Hardee AMM #1676 P.O. Box 1228 Quincy, CA 95971 (530)283-4566 (H) (530)283-3330 (W) (530)283-5171 (FAX) Casapy123@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 22:32:21 -0500 From: "Donald A. Ricetti" <SEGUNDO@bigfoot.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Finishing wood bowls Just sand the down lightly and the oil with either mineral oil or good olive oil, either of which won't go rancid on ya. Medicine Bear Jim Lindberg wrote: > Winter being a good time to do such things, we have a number of wood > bowl aquired during the summer and I would like to strip them and finish > them with safety and period in mind. Any hints out there? > > Thanks, > > Jim > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > /`-_ Jim Lindberg |Les Voyageurs du Val du Chippewa > { . }/ 724 East Grand Avenue | > \ / Chippewa Falls, WI 54729 USA |Sweete water and light laughter, > |___| http://reality.sgi.com/jal |Until we next meete. Go Gentle. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:34:50 -0800 From: tigrbo1 <tigrbo1@ibm.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Re: movie titles Hollo the cabin, Can anyone help me with the titles of two films? The first is about Hugh Glass, I think it stared John Houston as the trappers group leader. The other was about a French/Canadain ? fur trapper staring Oliver Reed. I saw these films years ago and can't recall the titles. Thanks to anyone who can help. 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