I am planning a 3-day jaunt 20 miles for the end of March and I would like advice on how to carry my gear utilizing mountain man era historically correct method. I have read a little about pack baskets, pack frames, knapsack/haversacks and blanket rolls from the Buckskinning 1 and 2. What do you all use to carry your gear? What works for you given the amount of food, water (2-3 gallons)and bedding required for a trip of this length (starts in the mountains and ends on the desert floor.) Pack baskets seem the easiest but I have read that they make your back and hips sore (is that true?), any success with pack frames, knapsacks/haversacks (are these actually used for jaunts requiring blankets, lean-to cloth, provisions, etc. they seem to small) I would appreciate any advice you would like to share.
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<P>I'm pretty sure that Miller documented that occuring "topless" to to be sure!</P>
<P>I, for one, would sign on and volunteer my time to document the event, visually!</P>
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Thanks for the information on methods of carrying your gear and insights as=20=
to how, in the absence of detailed historical references, to make choices th=
at are reasonably plausible for the period. <BR>
<BR>
It sounds like the pack frame is your choice. Do you happen to have an=
y instructions on how to make a pack frame and maybe a picture of the one yo=
u use (both loaded down with your gear and without gear)? Have you see=
n the description of the pack frame in Buckskinning 2? What do you thi=
nk of it? Finally, you mentioned that you strap 3 bundles to your pack=
frame: a portmaneau for possibles and 2 canvas rolls and bedding. Wha=
t do you carry in the portmaneau? What are possibles? (sorry for the e=
lementary questions?) When you say to canvas rolls and bedding what ex=
actly do you mean? Are you simply rolling up your remaing gear in your blank=
et(s), canvas ground cloth and canvas shelter cloth into two separate rolls=20=
and strapping them on?<BR>
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Look forward to your thoughts. Take care.<BR>
<BR>
Lou<BR>
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I am in Southern California. Thanks for the insights. Excuse my ignorance of terminology and gear but when you say that you carried everything in a blanket roll. What was carried in the blanket roll (extra clothing, food, corn boiler, cup, spoon)? How is the blanket roll constructed? Is it like as follows: 1) lay out your ground cloth, 2) lay your blanket(s) on top, 3) fold blanket in half length wise 4) lay all of the items to be carried on the blanket evenly, 5) roll the blanket over the contents and 6) fold the rolled blanket in half so that the two ends meet and tie them together with some rope or straps. How is it carried then (over the head and one arm that that it is diagonal across your body? Sorry to be so anal retentive but I am really trying to understand what how to do this.
That's it. I put anything flat, dried meat and corn in cloth bags, long underwear, extra pair socks, whatever else, in the blanket roll and tie it with four straps either hemp or leather. Then I tie a shoulder strap and just as you said, sling it over my shoulder so it lay diagonally across my back. I tie bulky items to the outside. You don't want them to flop around cause this will bug the hell out of you while hiking and it may make noise.
A great ground cloth can be found, if you are in So Cal, at a good gardeners shop where real Japanese gardeners buy their supplies. They use a cotton duck tarp to gather grass and leaves and it is the perfect size for a ground tarp. Serves the period too (some of the AMM guys can weigh in on that), no grommets just cotton duck with a hem on the perimeter. You can treat it with linseed oil, but be careful of that. Many natural oils will support/cause spontaneous combustion. After treatment you need to make sure it is completely dry. I believe this subject (oiled cloth) has been on the discussion list in the past.
Finally, you said that you also carry your "possibles". Is this just a separate bag worn over one shoulder or across your chest as with a shooting bag. What are "possibles"?
Yes, I carry minimal shooting accessories in a over the shoulder shooting bag, powder horn attached (riveted) to shooting bag strap. Possibles in a bag hanging on my belt along with a couple of knives, skinning and gutting, that also serve as knives for food preparation and eating. Possibles is a term that means, near as I can tell, and this is what I mean, anything you carry that makes it possible to survive, like flint and steel, tinder, bees wax candle, burning glass (magnifying glass). (This doesn't include motorhome, kitchen sink, microwave, dried beer, etc.:).
You need to put your gear together and try it out. Put it all on at home and walk around with it. Your wife and other inhabitants of your abode will think you're nuts if they already don't, but that's OK. You'll know pretty quick what will not work on a long trek. If things are banging you in the knees or back or anywhere else, think about three miles down the trail when said banging has hit target a few hundred times. It will get sore real quick. Get everything snug.
Thanks again for your patience.
I have the patience, just not the ability to type fast. Again, everything I said works for me. It may take you years to get it completely right for you. I'm almost half a century old and still learning, thank God.
I know the California mountains and desert pretty well. What is your intended route? E-mail me off list if you would like - carpentersa5k@earthlink.net
BTW - Don't forget about portable soup and coffee for your trek. Good on cold mornings and evenings.
<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10">Carp,<BR><BR>I am in Southern California. Thanks for the insights. Excuse my ignorance of terminology and gear but when you say that you carried everything in a blanket roll. What was carried in the blanket roll (extra clothing, food, corn boiler, cup, spoon)? How is the blanket roll constructed? Is it like as follows: 1) lay out your ground cloth, 2) lay your blanket(s) on top, 3) fold blanket in half length wise 4) lay all of the items to be carried on the blanket evenly, 5) roll the blanket over the contents and 6) fold the rolled blanket in half so that the two ends meet and tie them together with some rope or straps. How is it carried then (over the head and one arm that that it is diagonal across your body? Sorry to be so anal retentive but I am really trying to understand what how to do this.</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10"></FONT></FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10"><EM>That's it. I put anything flat, dried meat and corn in cloth bags, long underwear, extra pair socks, whatever else, in the blanket roll and tie it with four straps either hemp or leather. Then I tie a shoulder strap and just as you said, sling it over my shoulder so it lay diagonally across my back. I tie bulky items to the outside. You don't want them to flop around cause this will bug the hell out of you while hiking and it may make noise.</EM></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=Arial size=2>A great ground cloth can be found, if you are in So Cal, at a good gardeners shop where real Japanese gardeners buy their supplies. They use a cotton duck tarp to gather grass and leaves and it is the perfect size for a ground tarp. Serves the period too (some of the AMM guys can weigh in on that), no grommets just cotton duck with a hem on the perimeter. You can treat it with linseed oil, but be careful of that. Many natural oils will support/cause spontaneous combustion. After treatment you need to make sure it is <U>completely</U> dry. I believe this subject (oiled cloth) has been on the discussion list in the past.</FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Finally, you said that you also carry your "possibles". Is this just a separate bag worn over one shoulder or across your chest as with a shooting bag. What are "possibles"?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><EM>Yes, I carry minimal shooting accessories in a over the shoulder shooting bag, powder horn attached (riveted) to shooting bag strap. Possibles in a bag hanging on my belt along with a couple of knives, skinning and gutting, that also serve as knives for food preparation and eating. Possibles is a term that means, near as I can tell, and this is what I mean, anything you carry that makes it <U>possible</U> to survive, like flint and steel, tinder, bees wax candle, burning glass (magnifying glass). (This doesn't include motorhome, kitchen sink, microwave, dried beer, etc.:).</EM></DIV></FONT></FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid"><FONT size=2><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10"><EM>You need to put your gear together and try it out. Put it all on at home and walk around with it. Your wife and other inhabitants of your abode will think you're nuts if they already don't, but that's OK. You'll know pretty quick what will not work on a long trek. If things are banging you in the knees or back or anywhere else, think about three miles down the trail when said banging has hit target a few hundred times. It will get sore real quick. Get everything snug.</EM>
<DIV><BR><BR>Thanks again for your patience.</FONT> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><EM>I have the patience, just not the ability to type fast. Again, everything I said works for me. It may take you years to get it completely right for you. I'm almost half a century old and still learning, thank God.</EM></DIV>
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<DIV><EM>I know the California mountains and desert pretty well. What is your intended route? E-mail me off list if you would like - <A href="mailto:carpentersa5k@earthlink.net">carpentersa5k@earthlink.net</A> </EM></DIV>
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<DIV><EM>BTW - Don't forget about portable soup and coffee for your trek. Good on cold mornings and evenings.</EM></DIV>
Roger, how does AuaPur handle chemical contaminants, like fertilizer runoff etc? Some of the areas I hike around in have been contaminated upstream. But, you are dead on with regard to water. I remember the fun I had trying to document a civilian impression water container for a longhunter. There wasn't one. They followed the streams, and drank from them. Why carry it when your paddling on it. :) Wish we could still say the same thing.
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<DIV>Roger, how does AuaPur handle chemical contaminants, like fertilizer runoff etc? Some of the areas I hike around in have been contaminated upstream. But, you are dead on with regard to water. I remember the fun I had trying to document a civilian impression water container for a longhunter. There wasn't one. They followed the streams, and drank from them. Why carry it when your paddling on it. :) Wish we could still say the same thing. </DIV>
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Glenn, that sounds an awful lot like something called a market wallet in the 1700's. I must profess I tend to portray impressions from pre-1810, and that sounds exactly like one of the more easily documentable methods of lugging stuff around that civilians used. Military and ex-military had a few more options that are real popular with the trekking crowd, but if you weren't military, the odds of you having a military style knapsack were pretty slim. Market wallets and snapsacks were pretty common.
On July 3, 1834 Larpenter wrote: "My load to Fort Union was
not very encumbering; my old saddle bags, made of a yard of
brown muslin, sewed at both ends with a slit in the middle,
containing two red flannel shirts, pretty well worn, and one
check shirt, and one old white 3-point blanket, were about
all I had brought to Fort Union; my tin pan and cup I left
behind."
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<DIV>Glenn, that sounds an awful lot like something called a market wallet in the 1700's. I must profess I tend to portray impressions from pre-1810, and that sounds exactly like one of the more easily documentable methods of lugging stuff around that civilians used. Military and ex-military had a few more options that are real popular with the trekking crowd, but if you weren't military, the odds of you having a military style knapsack were pretty slim. Market wallets and snapsacks were pretty common.<BR><BR><B><I>Glenn Darilek <glenn@leaklocationservices.com></I></B> wrote:
<P><BR>On July 3, 1834 Larpenter wrote: "My load to Fort Union was<BR>not very encumbering; my old saddle bags, made of a yard of<BR>brown muslin, sewed at both ends with a slit in the middle,<BR>containing two red flannel shirts, pretty well worn, and one<BR>check shirt, and one old white 3-point blanket, were about<BR>all I had brought to Fort Union; my tin pan and cup I left<BR>behind."<BR><BR></snip></P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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"I know nothing about possums and how they breed but will play along with you
if you wish to "fish" someone in on that one. "
Capt, I know BB is "kinda" wrong, as possums do not breed thru the nose, but the male deposits it in the nose and the female then blows her nose in to the vigina to deposit the sperm.< Verry Big GRIN>
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<P>The Capt. said <BR>"I know nothing about possums and how they breed but will play along with you<BR>if you wish to "fish" someone in on that one. "</P>
<P> Capt, I know BB is "kinda" wrong, as possums do not breed thru the nose, but the male deposits it in the nose and the female then blows her nose in to the vigina to deposit the sperm.< Verry Big GRIN><G><BR><BR>hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html</P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR>George R. Noe< gnoe39@yahoo.com > <br>Watch your back trail, and keep your eyes on the skyline.<p><hr SIZE=1>
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Now for the rest of the story !! Opossums are Marsupials, and therefor are "kinda" primative in development sexually. The female has two overies and each comes all the way to the vigina in a separate tube. however, only one seems to produce eggs at a time.
The male not knowing which one , has a penis that is "forked" and deposits sperm into each one, at a mateing.
The female as she is going out of "season" will go out on a limb and turn faceing toward the male , her rear toward the tips of the of the limb. The male still trying to breed will aproch her and "work" on her front end insted of the "other", not being able to get to the rear.
The "old timer" possoum hunters , shining their lights up in the tree observing this and seeing the "forked" end working toward the nose, assumed he was depositing the sperm in the nose, and she had to "blow" in in the other end.
Nuff said ??
<grin>
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<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>roger lahti <amm1719@charter.net></I></B> wrote:
<P>Now for the rest of the story !! Opossums are Marsupials, and therefor are "kinda" primative in development sexually. The female has two overies and each comes all the way to the vigina in a separate tube. however, only one seems to produce eggs at a time.</P>
<P> The male not knowing which one , has a penis that is "forked" and deposits sperm into each one, at a mateing.</P>
<P> The female as she is going out of "season" will go out on a limb and turn faceing toward the male , her rear toward the tips of the of the limb. The male still trying to breed will aproch her and "work" on her front end insted of the "other", not being able to get to the rear.</P>
<P> The "old timer" possoum hunters , shining their lights up in the tree observing this and seeing the "forked" end working toward the nose, assumed he was depositing the sperm in the nose, and she had to "blow" in in the other end.</P>
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<P>Nuff said ??</P>
<P> <grin></P><BR><BR>George R. Noe< gnoe39@yahoo.com > <br>Watch your back trail, and keep your eyes on the skyline.<p><hr SIZE=1>
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experiment with using hydrogen instead of helium. It burns well and could be
used as an emergency fuel if necessary after the water is used up.
See ya on the trail my friend.
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
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Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 12:55 PM
> Capt.
> I perceived you correctly. I was only kidding about the water dipping
> and possum mating, though this was believed by some or all back then.
> I didn't take it as an attack at all. I know everyone on the list
> means well.
> I personally compress my water in old yellow colored aircraft oxygen
> bottles and can then carry ten times the water, though the bottles
> then weigh ten times more which is something to consider especially
> when on foot. But I didn't want to bring up compressed water because
> everyone would say,"Hey! That's not right! They didn't have aluminum
> oxygen bottles back then!"
> I've tried cans of evaporated water (like evaporated milk) but you
> have to carry more cans of water to cut it with thus defeating the
> whole purpose. So I went back to the compressed oxygen/water bottles.
> Which can bought at most Army/Navy stores. Just wrap them in a burlap
> sack to make them look historical.
> That a tip from your old friend,
> bb
>
>
> > bb,
> >
> > Hopefully you perceived correctly that I was not attacking you at all
but
> > the "Captains" contention that such a practice was valid. There are
folks
> > listening who might actually believe it to be true.
> >
> > I pack some water too. And I check my destination and it's water source
to
> > determine how I am going to deal with the need for water. I don't and
> > can't
> > pack enough water for a weekend on my back. So there are some places
that
> > I
> > choose not to visit for lack of a suitable water supply that can be made
> > safe.
> >
> > I know nothing about possums and how they breed but will play along with
> > you
> > if you wish to "fish" someone in on that one.
> >
> > While it is pointed out by many students of the fur trade that packing
> > water
> > was considered effeminate, it is only offered in the context of the
> > history
> > and does not reflect what most of us do in practice and is not promoted
as
> > wise to copy.
> >
> > YMOS
> > Capt. Lahti'
> >
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<DIV>Capt.</DIV>
<DIV> Hope we don't have to say "Rember the Hindinburg"<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">. I think I may<BR>experiment with using <U><FONT color=#ff0000>hydrogen</FONT></U> instead of helium. It burns well and could be<BR>used as an emergency fuel if necessary after the water is used up.<BR><BR>See ya on the trail my friend.<BR><BR>YMOS<BR>Capt. Lahti'<BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: <BEAVERBOY@SOFAST.NET><BR>To: <HIST_TEXT@LISTS.XMISSION.COM><BR>Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 12:55 PM<BR>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Water Packing Sissy<BR><BR><BR>> Capt.<BR>> I perceived you correctly. I was only kidding about the water dipping<BR>> and possum mating, though this was believed by some or all back then.<BR>> I didn't take it as an attack at all. I know everyone on the list<BR>> means well.<BR>> I personally compress my water in old yellow colored aircraft oxygen<BR>> bottles and can then carry ten times the water, though the
bottles<BR>> then weigh ten times more which is something to consider especially<BR>> when on foot. But I didn't want to bring up compressed water because<BR>> everyone would say,"Hey! That's not right! They didn't have aluminum<BR>> oxygen bottles back then!"<BR>> I've tried cans of evaporated water (like evaporated milk) but you<BR>> have to carry more cans of water to cut it with thus defeating the<BR>> whole purpose. So I went back to the compressed oxygen/water bottles.<BR>> Which can bought at most Army/Navy stores. Just wrap them in a burlap<BR>> sack to make them look historical.<BR>> That a tip from your old friend,<BR>> bb<BR>><BR>><BR>> > bb,<BR>> ><BR>> > Hopefully you perceived correctly that I was not attacking you at all<BR>but<BR>> > the "Captains" contention that such a practice was valid. There are<BR>folks<BR>> > listening who might actually believe it to be true.<BR>> ><BR>> > I pack
some water too. And I check my destination and it's water source<BR>to<BR>> > determine how I am going to deal with the need for water. I don't and<BR>> > can't<BR>> > pack enough water for a weekend on my back. So there are some places<BR>that<BR>> > I<BR>> > choose not to visit for lack of a suitable water supply that can be made<BR>> > safe.<BR>> ><BR>> > I know nothing about possums and how they breed but will play along with<BR>> > you<BR>> > if you wish to "fish" someone in on that one. <G><BR>> ><BR>> > While it is pointed out by many students of the fur trade that packing<BR>> > water<BR>> > was considered effeminate, it is only offered in the context of the<BR>> > history<BR>> > and does not reflect what most of us do in practice and is not promoted<BR>as<BR>> > wise to copy.<BR>> ><BR>> > YMOS<BR>> > Capt. Lahti'<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >
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I got sick from a bug in the water (would have cost more to test for which kind, so didn't test (giardia ?). This was 14 years ago- it cost $40 for the Dr., $40 for perscription to keep my guts from trying to turn themselves inside out, to let me get more than 20 ft. from a toilet, from keeping me from completely dehydrating, etc.... etc..... The ceramic filter pump that filters out down to .5 micron, which includes any living organism, heavy metals, radioactive isotopes, etc...... cost $65. I should have bought the filter in the first place. It would have been cheaper, and saved me much suffering before I finally went to the Dr.. In my opinion, buy a good filter and use it if in doubt of water source. The pump/filters are more expensive (but often better) these days, but the Dr.s and perscriptions cost more too. My 2 cents. hardtack
And, there are biological contaminants in almost every waterway in the U.S. (and probably world) that may or may not be the result of 'run-offs' that can make one seriously ill.
Use of filters for obtaining water in the wilderness is an absolutely necessity for protecting ones health. May not be considered "authentic". But remember suffering horribly and dying young was very "authentic" back then.
Frank
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<DIV>I got sick from a bug in the water (would have cost more to test for which kind, so didn't test (giardia ?). This was 14 years ago- it cost $40 for the Dr., $40 for perscription to keep my guts from trying to turn themselves inside out, to let me get more than 20 ft. from a toilet, from keeping me from completely dehydrating, etc.... etc..... The ceramic filter pump that filters out down to .5 micron, which includes any living organism, heavy metals, radioactive isotopes, etc...... cost $65. I should have bought the filter in the first place. It would have been cheaper, and saved me much suffering before I finally went to the Dr.. In my opinion, buy a good filter and use it if in doubt of water source. The pump/filters are more expensive (but often better) these days, but the Dr.s and perscriptions cost more too. My 2 cents. hardtack</DIV>
<DIV> And, there are biological contaminants in almost every waterway in the U.S. (and probably world) that may or may not be the result of 'run-offs' that can make one seriously ill.</DIV>
<DIV> Use of filters for obtaining water in the wilderness is an absolutely necessity for protecting ones health. May not be considered "authentic". But remember suffering horribly and dying young was very "authentic" back then.</DIV>
I've been reading and learning from the list so much it makes my head spin sometimes. I knowledge shared hear is beyond anythign I ever hoped fur. I seams if I carry enough hydrogen, I can just use it with air along the trail and make water when I need it. I think I'll start packing meat and compress it in straws, hide them in some reed stalks and roast them like fresh corn. I can't wait to try. Thanks for the seeds, they'll keep gowing I'm sure.
roger lahti <amm1719@charter.net> wrote:bb,
Thanks for the idea on the compressed water in old air tanks. We used high
pressure tanks so we could carry a longer supply of air on the trucks. They
were wrapped with glass fiber or Kevlar, not sure which now and while very
light they were also very strong.
I think I can get some of those old tanks from city shops excess. Fill them
with water under great pressure and then counter the extra weight with
helium. According to my calculations I should be able to get 10 gallons of
water in one 3 gallon tank and with the helium reduce it's weight to a
negative 5 lbs. thus making it lighter than air and able to reduce my pack
load by 5 lbs. It will add bulk but wrapped in burlap as you suggest it will
look like another package of goods on top of my knapsack. I think I may
experiment with using hydrogen instead of helium. It burns well and could be
used as an emergency fuel if necessary after the water is used up.
See ya on the trail my friend.
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
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Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 12:55 PM
> Capt.
> I perceived you correctly. I was only kidding about the water dipping
> and possum mating, though this was believed by some or all back then.
> I didn't take it as an attack at all. I know everyone on the list
> means well.
> I personally compress my water in old yellow colored aircraft oxygen
> bottles and can then carry ten times the water, though the bottles
> then weigh ten times more which is something to consider especially
> when on foot. But I didn't want to bring up compressed water because
> everyone would say,"Hey! That's not right! They didn't have aluminum
> oxygen bottles back then!"
> I've tried cans of evaporated water (like evaporated milk) but you
> have to carry more cans of water to cut it with thus defeating the
> whole purpose. So I went back to the compressed oxygen/water bottles.
> Which can bought at most Army/Navy stores. Just wrap them in a burlap
> sack to make them look historical.
> That a tip from your old friend,
> bb
>
>
> > bb,
> >
> > Hopefully you perceived correctly that I was not attacking you at all
but
> > the "Captains" contention that such a practice was valid. There are
folks
> > listening who might actually believe it to be true.
> >
> > I pack some water too. And I check my destination and it's water source
to
> > determine how I am going to deal with the need for water. I don't and
> > can't
> > pack enough water for a weekend on my back. So there are some places
that
> > I
> > choose not to visit for lack of a suitable water supply that can be made
> > safe.
> >
> > I know nothing about possums and how they breed but will play along with
> > you
> > if you wish to "fish" someone in on that one.
> >
> > While it is pointed out by many students of the fur trade that packing
> > water
> > was considered effeminate, it is only offered in the context of the
> > history
> > and does not reflect what most of us do in practice and is not promoted
as
> > wise to copy.
> >
> > YMOS
> > Capt. Lahti'
> >
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<DIV>I've been reading and learning from the list so much it makes my head spin sometimes. I knowledge shared hear is beyond anythign I ever hoped fur. I seams if I carry enough hydrogen, I can just use it with air along the trail and make water when I need it. I think I'll start packing meat and compress it in straws, hide them in some reed stalks and roast them like fresh corn. I can't wait to try. Thanks for the seeds, they'll keep gowing I'm sure. <BR><BR><B><I>roger lahti <amm1719@charter.net></I></B> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">bb,<BR><BR>Thanks for the idea on the compressed water in old air tanks. We used high<BR>pressure tanks so we could carry a longer supply of air on the trucks. They<BR>were wrapped with glass fiber or Kevlar, not sure which now and while very<BR>light they were also very strong.<BR><BR>I think I can get some of those old tanks from city shops excess. Fill them<BR>with water under great pressure and then counter the extra weight with<BR>helium. According to my calculations I should be able to get 10 gallons of<BR>water in one 3 gallon tank and with the helium reduce it's weight to a<BR>negative 5 lbs. thus making it lighter than air and able to reduce my pack<BR>load by 5 lbs. It will add bulk but wrapped in burlap as you suggest it will<BR>look like another package of goods on top of my knapsack. I think I may<BR>experiment with using hydrogen instead of helium. It burns well and
could be<BR>used as an emergency fuel if necessary after the water is used up.<BR><BR>See ya on the trail my friend.<BR><BR>YMOS<BR>Capt. Lahti'<BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: <BEAVERBOY@SOFAST.NET><BR>To: <HIST_TEXT@LISTS.XMISSION.COM><BR>Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 12:55 PM<BR>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Water Packing Sissy<BR><BR><BR>> Capt.<BR>> I perceived you correctly. I was only kidding about the water dipping<BR>> and possum mating, though this was believed by some or all back then.<BR>> I didn't take it as an attack at all. I know everyone on the list<BR>> means well.<BR>> I personally compress my water in old yellow colored aircraft oxygen<BR>> bottles and can then carry ten times the water, though the bottles<BR>> then weigh ten times more which is something to consider especially<BR>> when on foot. But I didn't want to bring up compressed water because<BR>> everyone would say,"Hey! That's not right! They didn't have
aluminum<BR>> oxygen bottles back then!"<BR>> I've tried cans of evaporated water (like evaporated milk) but you<BR>> have to carry more cans of water to cut it with thus defeating the<BR>> whole purpose. So I went back to the compressed oxygen/water bottles.<BR>> Which can bought at most Army/Navy stores. Just wrap them in a burlap<BR>> sack to make them look historical.<BR>> That a tip from your old friend,<BR>> bb<BR>><BR>><BR>> > bb,<BR>> ><BR>> > Hopefully you perceived correctly that I was not attacking you at all<BR>but<BR>> > the "Captains" contention that such a practice was valid. There are<BR>folks<BR>> > listening who might actually believe it to be true.<BR>> ><BR>> > I pack some water too. And I check my destination and it's water source<BR>to<BR>> > determine how I am going to deal with the need for water. I don't and<BR>> > can't<BR>> > pack enough water for a weekend on my
back. So there are some places<BR>that<BR>> > I<BR>> > choose not to visit for lack of a suitable water supply that can be made<BR>> > safe.<BR>> ><BR>> > I know nothing about possums and how they breed but will play along with<BR>> > you<BR>> > if you wish to "fish" someone in on that one. <G><BR>> ><BR>> > While it is pointed out by many students of the fur trade that packing<BR>> > water<BR>> > was considered effeminate, it is only offered in the context of the<BR>> > history<BR>> > and does not reflect what most of us do in practice and is not promoted<BR>as<BR>> > wise to copy.<BR>> ><BR>> > YMOS<BR>> > Capt. Lahti'<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > ----------------------<BR>> > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html<BR>> ><BR>><BR>><BR>> ----------------------<BR>> hist_text list info:
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<DIV><FONT face="Microsoft Sans Serif" size=2>I think as long as I don't use it to talk funny around the camp fire I should be ok.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Microsoft Sans Serif" size=2>Capt. L The Helium is what makes you talk funny.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Microsoft Sans Serif"> When Hydrogen burns with Oxygen it produces water.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Microsoft Sans Serif"> I guess you could just carry one container of of hydrogen (twice as big as the Oxygen container) and one of Oxygen.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Microsoft Sans Serif"> Just burn them and condense the vapor ot a liquid.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Microsoft Sans Serif">Two parts Hydrogen + one part Oxygen = 2 H2O</FONT></DIV>
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I seams if I carry enough hydrogen, I can just use it with air along the trail and make water when I need it.
Dear Larson:
I have never carried hydgrogen with me on period camps but I have made water along the trail and have found it not only heplful but almost indespinsible. You oatta try it sometime.
Wynn Ormond
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">I have never carried hydgrogen with me on period camps but I have made water along the trail and have found it not only heplful but almost indespinsible. You oatta try it sometime.</DIV>
Not compress water (liquid)?...I suppose you'll try to tell us we can't convert lead to Gold...? Get with it.... Wanna buy shares in the fountain of youth, we found it at the AMM Eastern in Florida , 2000. See you soon brother. hardtack
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You do realize, don't you, that somebody on this list is likely not to see all your tongues in your collective cheeks and might actually think that you can compress water? We had a technician at my lab who was convinced that water could be compressed and simply would not listen to facts. One of our testing devices utilitized Boyles's Law and he confused the compression of air in one part of the device and thought the water in the OTHER part of the device was being compressed during the testing procedure. He eventually moved on to a competitor's lab where he is probably still in a fog. He was a nice kid who was proud of playing in the Praise and Glory Band at church.
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<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4>You do realize, don't you, that somebody on this list is likely not to see all your tongues in your collective cheeks and might actually think that you can compress water? We had a technician at my lab who was convinced that water could be compressed and simply would not listen to facts. One of our testing devices utilitized Boyles's Law and he confused the compression of air in one part of the device and thought the water in the OTHER part of the device was being compressed during the testing procedure. He eventually moved on to a competitor's lab where he is probably still in a fog. He was a nice kid who was proud of playing in the Praise and Glory Band at church.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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I think having a filter would help in some way also. Thanks The posibilities are unlimited.
Wynn Ormond <cheyenne@pcu.net> wrote:
Larson Harsey
wrote in part:
I seams if I carry enough hydrogen, I can just use it with air along the trail and make water when I need it.
Dear Larson:
I have never carried hydgrogen with me on period camps but I have made water along the trail and have found it not only heplful but almost indespinsible. You oatta try it sometime.
Wynn Ormond
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<DIV>I think having a filter would help in some way also. Thanks The posibilities are unlimited.<BR><BR><B><I>Wynn Ormond <cheyenne@pcu.net></I></B> wrote:
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">I have never carried hydgrogen with me on period camps but I have made water along the trail and have found it not only heplful but almost indespinsible. You oatta try it sometime.</DIV>
I honestly don't know. I've been using it for a while now, and I no longer remember the origin. I think it's pretty true though. :)
Todd
Wynn Ormond <cheyenne@pcu.net> wrote:
Todd
There is a quote in the marks at the bottom of your post. Can you tell me the source? Thank You
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Roger, how does AuaPur handle chemical contaminants, like fertilizer runoff etc? Some of the areas I hike around in have been contaminated upstream. But, you are dead on with regard to water. I remember the fun I had trying to document a civilian impression water container for a longhunter. There wasn't one. They followed the streams, and drank from them. Why carry it when your paddling on it. :) Wish we could still say the same thing.
Todd
Missouri Territory
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<DIV>I honestly don't know. I've been using it for a while now, and I no longer remember the origin. I think it's pretty true though. :)</DIV>
<DIV>Roger, how does AuaPur handle chemical contaminants, like fertilizer runoff etc? Some of the areas I hike around in have been contaminated upstream. But, you are dead on with regard to water. I remember the fun I had trying to document a civilian impression water container for a longhunter. There wasn't one. They followed the streams, and drank from them. Why carry it when your paddling on it. :) Wish we could still say the same thing. </DIV>
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Yup. A stream I used to hike along and fish in as a kid is sterile now, unless you count the massive amounts of fecal choloroforms that are in there from an upstream feed lot. Signs all over the thing prohibiting wading, fishing, swimming etc. The stream even LOOKS ill.
Todd
"the only substitute for good manners is fast reflexes"
Frank Fusco <Rifleman1776@cox-internet.com> wrote:
Capt'n said,
<Your going to have to drink a lot of water for the runoff contaminants =
to kill you.>
That may be true if you are only worried about runoff contaminants and being killed quickly. But those runoffs can make one mighty ill and have long term effects that may not be immediately identified with drinking from a certain stream years earlier.
And, there are biological contaminants in almost every waterway in the U.S. (and probably world) that may or may not be the result of 'run-offs' that can make one seriously ill.
Use of filters for obtaining water in the wilderness is an absolutely necessity for protecting ones health. May not be considered "authentic". But remember suffering horribly and dying young was very "authentic" back then.
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<DIV>Yup. A stream I used to hike along and fish in as a kid is sterile now, unless you count the massive amounts of fecal choloroforms that are in there from an upstream feed lot. Signs all over the thing prohibiting wading, fishing, swimming etc. The stream even LOOKS ill. </DIV>
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<DIV>"the only substitute for good manners is fast reflexes"</DIV>
<DIV> <Your going to have to drink a lot of water for the runoff contaminants =<BR>to kill you.></DIV>
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<DIV> That may be true if you are only worried about runoff contaminants and being killed quickly. But those runoffs can make one mighty ill and have long term effects that may not be immediately identified with drinking from a certain stream years earlier.</DIV>
<DIV> And, there are biological contaminants in almost every waterway in the U.S. (and probably world) that may or may not be the result of 'run-offs' that can make one seriously ill.</DIV>
<DIV> Use of filters for obtaining water in the wilderness is an absolutely necessity for protecting ones health. May not be considered "authentic". But remember suffering horribly and dying young was very "authentic" back then.</DIV>
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Uh, I'm assuming he's unfamiliar with that whole science called "hydraulics"? That system works for a reason. :)
Todd
That said, I am assuming that water filters are kinda lumped into the category with modern meds, something that we acknowledge didn't exist, but kinda need anyway?
I've been working diligently to pare down my kit to absolulte minimums, and all of it documentable but there are some things I kinda wondered on.
You do realize, don't you, that somebody on this list is likely not to see all your tongues in your collective cheeks and might actually think that you can compress water? We had a technician at my lab who was convinced that water could be compressed and simply would not listen to facts. One of our testing devices utilitized Boyles's Law and he confused the compression of air in one part of the device and thought the water in the OTHER part of the device was being compressed during the testing procedure. He eventually moved on to a competitor's lab where he is probably still in a fog. He was a nice kid who was proud of playing in the Praise and Glory Band at church.
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<DIV>Uh, I'm assuming he's unfamiliar with that whole science called "hydraulics"? That system works for a reason. :)</DIV>
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<DIV>Todd</DIV>
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<DIV>That said, I am assuming that water filters are kinda lumped into the category with modern meds, something that we acknowledge didn't exist, but kinda need anyway? </DIV>
<DIV>I've been working diligently to pare down my kit to absolulte minimums, and all of it documentable but there are some things I kinda wondered on.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4>You do realize, don't you, that somebody on this list is likely not to see all your tongues in your collective cheeks and might actually think that you can compress water? We had a technician at my lab who was convinced that water could be compressed and simply would not listen to facts. One of our testing devices utilitized Boyles's Law and he confused the compression of air in one part of the device and thought the water in the OTHER part of the device was being compressed during the testing procedure. He eventually moved on to a competitor's lab where he is probably still in a fog. He was a nice kid who was proud of playing in the Praise and Glory Band at church.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Compressed water, now Water guns
Date: 12 Jan 2004 09:15:54 -0700
If only Lewis and Clark had our ingenuity, they'd uv used their air rifle to compress water and invented the first "squirt gun" to show off the the Indians. Now that wooda been a sight to see. All you guys have made my Monday morning a hoot.
Regards,
Dennis Knapp aka Sticher
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From: James and Sue Stone <jandsstone@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Compressed water, now Water guns
Date: 12 Jan 2004 17:48:02 -0700
Dennis,
By putting a llittle indelible color in the water the coup counting
techniques could have changed dramatically. There would be those
miserable coup-victims going forever about their lives marked with the
indelible stains of their enemies.
At the same time, it would have been a boon to those who import and/or
make dyes. And the West may have been more colorful to this day .
Sparks
Dennis Knapp wrote:
>If only Lewis and Clark had our ingenuity, they'd uv used their air rifle to compress water and invented the first "squirt gun" to show off the the Indians. Now that wooda been a sight to see. All you guys have made my Monday morning a hoot.
>Regards,
>Dennis Knapp aka Sticher
>southern Idaho
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