boil it then stick it on an ant hill. thats how I do cow & deer skulls
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In a message dated Sat, 2 Mar 2002 12:10:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, MarkLoader@aol.com writes:
> Helo the camp
>
> I got the head from our buffalo hunt this last week end. Anyone have any sugestions for getting the skull free of meat and clean.
>
> Mark "Roadkill" Loader
Well Mark it all depends on how understanding your wife is and how close your neighbors live. I had a Ram's head that I cleaned really easily. I found a good tree down wind of the house and tied the head up in the branches. Birds picked the meat off and used the wool for nest building and the ants picked the skull clean. Took a summer in the sun but it was a lot easier than boiling and scrapping.
And if you have it face the front walk or drive to the house it tends to discourage door to door solicitors.
Y.M.O.S.
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just a note to introduce myself,my name is Jim Branson ,I live in south Texas. Have been interested with the fur trade era since I was knee high to a short frog.hope to be of use here but I'll probablly learn more than I help.<BR>
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Where in south Texas do you live. I lived 10 years ago in Beeville. I transplanted to Odessa. Our group is having a rendezvous in May, near Sterling City, I know it may be a bit of a drive for you but if you are interested I can send you a flyer via email.<BR>
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Frank; live in Inez texas(20 miles n.e. of victoria) Have had alot of fun in
Beeville. WE use to do alot of shooting there. dont know if I can make yer
shindig but send me a flyer any way as I got some vac. time coming. good to
hear from you by the way.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT COLOR="#400040" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Trebuchet MS" LANG="0">Frank; live in Inez texas(20 miles n.e. of victoria) Have had alot of fun in Beeville. WE use to do alot of shooting there. dont know if I can make yer shindig but send me a flyer any way as I got some vac. time coming. good to hear from you by the way.<BR>
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Several years ago I was fortunate enough to be asked to be part of the color
guard at the Alamo on March 2nd celebrating the 150th celebration and the
decalaration of independance from mexico. We had enough West Texas Border
Scouts(West Texas branch of the Texas Army) to march in with all of the
battle flags that flew over Texas. It was a special moment, being invited by
the Daughters of The Republic of Texas. I frequent the Alamo yearly, feel
tho as I step back in time everytime I enter the doors of the Mission. Sacred
grounds for everyone indeed.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Several years ago I was fortunate enough to be asked to be part of the color guard at the Alamo on March 2nd celebrating the 150th celebration and the decalaration of independance from mexico. We had enough West Texas Border Scouts(West Texas branch of the Texas Army) to march in with all of the battle flags that flew over Texas. It was a special moment, being invited by the Daughters of The Republic of Texas. I frequent the Alamo yearly, feel tho as I step back in time everytime I enter the doors of the Mission. Sacred grounds for everyone indeed.<BR>
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I am fairly new to the list, but can I offer items for sale here?
Frank
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I have for sale a heart shaped leather canteen and 4 shot containers and 2
drinking flask. The heart shaped canteen (from what I have been told) an
example was dug up at colonial williamsburg. The canteen is lined with a
beeswax/pitch mixture and is water tight. the shot containers hold about 12
shots of 70 grains of 71/2 shot. the two medium size drinking flask are
lined with a food and alcohol safe resin. If you have any questions please
contact me off list for prices with "re:leather container"
all are hand punched and hand sewn and molded
Frank Sablan
Odessa, Texas
ps -money orders only
heart shapted canteen -$65 plus shipping
drinking flask- $30 plus shipping
shot containers $10 plus shipping
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">I have for sale a heart shaped leather canteen and 4 shot containers and 2 drinking flask. The heart shaped canteen (from what I have been told) an example was dug up at colonial williamsburg. The canteen is lined with a beeswax/pitch mixture and is water tight. the shot containers hold about 12 shots of 70 grains of 71/2 shot. the two medium size drinking flask are lined with a food and alcohol safe resin. If you have any questions please contact me off list for prices with "re:leather container"<BR>
I am looking for tin bowls and under stand C&D Jargagin makes them but the
phone number I have does not work.
Thanks Roadkill
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>I am looking for tin bowls and under stand C&D Jargagin makes them but the phone number I have does not work.
<BR>Thanks Roadkill</FONT></HTML>
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I AM SURE THAT MY PUGGY POOCH WOULD HAVE MADE A GOOD FEAST ON THE WAY OUT TO THE WEST. HE IS VERY FAT AND I AM SURE THAT HE WOULD HAVE BEEN GOOD EATING LEWIS GOT TO LIKE DOG AS MUCH AS ELK AND IT GAVE THEM A GOOD SOURCE OF FAT. LEWIS AND CLARK NEEDED SOME KIND OF FAT BY THE TIME THEY GOT TO THE WEST.
"Gretchen H. Ormond" <leona3@sourceoneinternet.com> wrote:
Lee Newbill wrote:
> . I didn't say much, cause I knew that only a fool would have saddled
> himself with a dog in hostile country, and I knew that the folks I've
> been researching (Northwest Co), wouldn't do any such fool thing....
> then I came across a entry in Alexander Ross's book (pg 280, The Fur
> Hunters of the Far West) that simply floored me. Life is full of
> humbling lessons.
>
> Lee Newbill
>
> As I recall we were keeping count of whether having the dogs around
> was positive or negitive thing and we were at 3 and 3. I just don't
> know how to call this one. The dogs appear to be helping with the
> chase but one wonders if the hunters really missed when they shoot
> seven of the dogs. Good find.
>
> Wynn Ormond
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<P> <FONT size=4>I AM SURE THAT MY PUGGY POOCH WOULD HAVE MADE A GOOD FEAST ON THE WAY OUT TO THE WEST. HE IS VERY FAT AND I AM SURE THAT HE WOULD HAVE BEEN GOOD EATING LEWIS GOT TO LIKE DOG AS MUCH AS ELK AND IT GAVE THEM A GOOD SOURCE OF FAT. LEWIS AND CLARK NEEDED SOME KIND OF FAT BY THE TIME THEY GOT TO THE WEST. </FONT>
<P> <B><I>"Gretchen H. Ormond" <leona3@sourceoneinternet.com></I></B> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><BR><BR>Lee Newbill wrote:<BR><BR>> . I didn't say much, cause I knew that only a fool would have saddled<BR>> himself with a dog in hostile country, and I knew that the folks I've<BR>> been researching (Northwest Co), wouldn't do any such fool thing....<BR>> then I came across a entry in Alexander Ross's book (pg 280, The Fur<BR>> Hunters of the Far West) that simply floored me. Life is full of<BR>> humbling lessons.<BR>><BR>> Lee Newbill<BR>><BR>> As I recall we were keeping count of whether having the dogs around<BR>> was positive or negitive thing and we were at 3 and 3. I just don't<BR>> know how to call this one. The dogs appear to be helping with the<BR>> chase but one wonders if the hunters really missed when they shoot<BR>> seven of the dogs. Good find.<BR>><BR>> Wynn Ormond<BR><BR>----------------------<BR>hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html</BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4>Until later Jon Towns</FONT><p><br><hr size=1><b>Do You Yahoo!?</b><br>
As to hats, there's a company called Hatcrafters (www.hatcrafters.com) that
has a pretty unbelievable collection of historic and reenactors stuff. They
also have blanks and IIRC can make a hat to your specs.
Hope this is of some help. Barney
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT COLOR="#0000a0" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"><B>Magpie, While I couldn't find any 'ready-made' HBCo flags, I have used a company in NY called Quinn Flags, which will make whatever you want. Their website is www.quinnflags.com.<BR>
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If you need pics, here's a couple of sites that have different HBCo flags... http://www.1uptravel.com/flag/flags/ca-hbc.html<BR>
As to hats, there's a company called Hatcrafters (www.hatcrafters.com) that has a pretty unbelievable collection of historic and reenactors stuff. They also have blanks and IIRC can make a hat to your specs.<BR>
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Hope this is of some help. Barney<BR>
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Greetings the list, as there may be some who combine falconry with other
primitive living skills I thought this enclosure may be of interest, at least
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would this be the same time that pindale is going on????? the spring????
SWzypher@aol.com wrote: Here is a new one for you:
Jim Bridger Legacy Rendezvous
Fort Bridger Wyoming - but not on State grounds.
June 14 - 15 - 16
This is a first.
I will be Bourgeois
Something for every one, but the camp (meadowland - meandering Black's Fork
with willows) and the traders will be pre-1841.
Wood and creek water but bring your own potable water.
More later
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<P> <FONT color=#800000>would this be the same time that pindale is going on????? the spring????</FONT>
<P> <B><I>SWzypher@aol.com</I></B> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Here is a new one for you:<BR>Jim Bridger Legacy Rendezvous<BR>Fort Bridger Wyoming - but not on State grounds.<BR>June 14 - 15 - 16<BR>This is a first.<BR>I will be Bourgeois<BR>Something for every one, but the camp (meadowland - meandering Black's Fork <BR>with willows) and the traders will be pre-1841.<BR>Wood and creek water but bring your own potable water.<BR><BR>More later<BR><BR>Richard James<BR><BR>----------------------<BR>hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html</BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4>Until later Jon Towns</FONT><p><br><hr size=1><b>Do You Yahoo!?</b><br>
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<BR>directly to Mike Daly at Hodgdon. He truly believes that
<BR>Pyrodex has no faults and is superior to anything.
<BR>The sad thing is that Hodgdon used to market a dandy black powder made in Scotland years ago. Stumbled on to a can of it back at Dad's farm just before he sold out. I have NO idea how old this powder is, but it still shoots just fine! Mom used to mix it with cold cream for poison Ivy -- works, but I don't know the ratio she used. Thanks to her home remedies, I got to try this fine old powder!
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Les, Try www.clipart.com. There are zillions of free clip-art files and
links to another zillion. Barney
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First off I want to thank ya again for the donations ya made to the land fund
they sure helped out at the auction at nationals this year.
Let me add my thoughts two Capt. Lahti's
> 1. what kind of dress would she have been wearing coming from the west
> coast
I think the two hide dress could have been the stile but wouldn't one of them
Shoshoni skirts with bare breast made a more eye catching Bronze? But being
the only women in the party I do not think she would have worn one. Louis &
Clark would have frond on it, after getting there eye full of coarse.
> 2. Would she have been wrapped in a blanket around the waist as deemed
> proper
Most definitely to help protect the leges Jill always rides with a blanket
warped around the legs. As the women did back then.
> 3. What kind of saddle if any might she of been riding.
With having a child I would think she would be ridding a women's saddle.
Either gotten from her people or from the Nez Perce.
> 4. What kind of horse, size etc.
Naturally the smaller Spanish Barb.
> 5. Any type of bridle
A war bridle or rope tied around the neck with a hitch around the muzzle
would be my guess.
> 6. Moccasin type
Side seam for it was noted by Clark that was the type of moccasin that were
being made and went in to detail on how they were made. He had to be watching
someone make them that way.
> 7. What might of Pomp been wearing for clothing
Children of that age went mostly without any. Unless the weather was cold
then he would have been warped in a blanket.
> 8. Would her dress have any decoration on it, beads or quills or plain
It would have been most likely a work dress very little decoration more
likely plain.
> 9 A tacked leather belt, rawhide belt or no belt
Rawhide, If I remember right on the trip out she had a blue beaded belt that
was traded on the coast for some thing for Clark. ( may be mistaken on the
beaded belt that is what happens when ya read to many Novels things can get
muddled)
> 10. Any knife, awl case, strike a light or any bags on belt
Knife, awl case, porcupine hair brush most likely and maybe a strike a lite.
> 11. Hair loose or maybe braided or tied back
Hair loose as the Lemhi Women wore theirs, my guess.
> 12. A buffalo hide over saddle or a wool blanket or what if anything
> Now this one would depend on if they had enough horses to pack all their
> gear and for every one to ride. For them women would pack a lot of stuff on
> their saddles and ride on top of the load when on the move. So it could
> have quit a load on that saddle not just a robe. To answer this one I'd
> have to dig out the journals and do some checking.
>
> See ya on the trail
> Crazy Cyot
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Howdy Joe
<BR>First off I want to thank ya again for the donations ya made to the land fund they sure helped out at the auction at nationals this year.
<BR>Let me add my thoughts two Capt. Lahti's
<BR>
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">1. what kind of dress would she have been wearing coming from the west coast</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">I think the two hide dress could have been the stile but wouldn't one of them Shoshoni skirts with bare breast made a more eye catching Bronze? But being the only women in the party I do not think she would have worn one. Louis & Clark would have frond on it, after getting there eye full of coarse.
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">2. Would she have been wrapped in a blanket around the waist as deemed proper</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"> Most definitely to help protect the leges Jill always rides with a blanket warped around the legs. As the women did back then.
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">3. What kind of saddle if any might she of been riding.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">With having a child I would think she would be ridding a women's saddle. Either gotten from her people or from the Nez Perce.
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">5. Any type of bridle</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">A war bridle or rope tied around the neck with a hitch around the muzzle would be my guess.
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Side seam for it was noted by Clark that was the type of moccasin that were being made and went in to detail on how they were made. He had to be watching someone make them that way.
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">7. What might of Pomp been wearing for clothing</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Children of that age went mostly without any. Unless the weather was cold then he would have been warped in a blanket.
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">8. Would her dress have any decoration on it, beads or quills or plain</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">It would have been most likely a work dress very little decoration more likely plain.
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">9 A tacked leather belt, rawhide belt or no belt</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Rawhide, If I remember right on the trip out she had a blue beaded belt that was traded on the coast for some thing for Clark. ( may be mistaken on the beaded belt that is what happens when ya read to many Novels things can get muddled)
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">10. Any knife, awl case, strike a light or any bags on belt</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Knife, awl case, porcupine hair brush most likely and maybe a strike a lite.
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">12. A buffalo hide over saddle or a wool blanket or what if anything
<BR>Now this one would depend on if they had enough horses to pack all their gear and for every one to ride. For them women would pack a lot of stuff on their saddles and ride on top of the load when on the move. So it could have quit a load on that saddle not just a robe. To answer this one I'd have to dig out the journals and do some checking.
I am having made a hand sewn light weight summer shirt (gets pretty hot here
in West Texas)it is made of a hemp cotton blend and is ivory white. What
would be correct to use as buttons, or is that getting too picky
frank
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what type of water containers do some of you use, wood canteens, copper,
leather,gourd or animal products , buffalo stomachs etc....or what. I
realize travel was done hopefully along water ways, but nowadays we need to
carry water so what do you use and what info do you have on it. I carry a
gourd canteen lined with beeswax.
I am interested in getting a compass what would you suggest, did they use
them at all, i havent read any material supporting a compass, but would like
to get a lewis and clark or even a jefferson compass, again what are your
thoughts
Frank Sablan
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">what type of water containers do some of you use, wood canteens, copper, leather,gourd or animal products , buffalo stomachs etc....or what. I realize travel was done hopefully along water ways, but nowadays we need to carry water so what do you use and what info do you have on it. I carry a gourd canteen lined with beeswax.<BR>
I am interested in getting a compass what would you suggest, did they use them at all, i havent read any material supporting a compass, but would like to get a lewis and clark or even a jefferson compass, again what are your thoughts<BR>
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Crazy What kind of saddle and type of dress does Jill use? Does she sit on
the blanket and what purpose does it serve? My wife will be at National and I
am trying to get the tack in order. Mark "Roadkill" Loader
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I recently purchased a straight razor from PremiumKnives.com and the have a
wide variety with and with out plastic handles.
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for your buttons I would use mother of pearl,horn,antler,pewter,or wood. Any
of these buttons would be corect,and would look good too . Know all about
S.Texas summers as I live in Victoria county,and can honestlly say that I
dont blame you for the light shirt idea(they are what I wear)
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Times New Roman" LANG="0">for your buttons I would use mother of pearl,horn,antler,pewter,or wood. Any of these buttons would be corect,and would look good too . Know all about S.Texas summers as I live in Victoria county,and can honestlly say that I dont blame you for the light shirt idea(they are what I wear)<BR>
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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: water containers and compasses
Date: 24 Mar 2002 09:10:57 -0500
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what type of water containers do some of you use, wood canteens, copper, leather,gourd or animal products , buffalo stomachs etc....or what. I realize travel was done hopefully along water ways, but nowadays we need to carry water so what do you use and what info do you have on it. I carry a gourd canteen lined with beeswax.
I am interested in getting a compass what would you suggest, did they use them at all, i havent read any material supporting a compass, but would like to get a lewis and clark or even a jefferson compass, again what are your thoughts
Hi Frank,
In reading through the journals and trade lists on Dean's Mt. Man list home page and from other sources, the only references to canteens in the mountains that I have seen are for iron bound wood. Any of those you listed are generally acceptable depending on the level of authenticity you are striving for. The wood, copper and leather were available in the settlements, as was tin. Buffalo stomachs were available to/from the Plains Indians and gourds were available from the more eastern tribes that lived in more settle villages.
The issue of carrying water and refilling on the trail has been *actively* debated here before. The prevailing opinion has been that some from of filtration/purification is a modern necessity. Keep what ever you use for water treatment out of site and use it as discreetly as possible. As the great Marshall Rooster Cogburn said, I have yet to meet a Texan that hasn't drunk out of a muddy hoof print. There are some, even today that will take there chances, but having drank from a contaminated stream once myself I now treat my drinking water. For 3 days I thought I was going to turn inside out through my backside... it sounds funny now but it wasn't then.
As far as compasses are concerned, either style would be acceptable. Period references show compasses mostly being carried by brigade/expedition leaders and explorers, as opposed to the common trapper.
To sum it up... for either item; acceptable today, available in the mountains then, little documented use by the common trapper.
Just my humble opinions,
YMHOS,
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In a message dated 3/23/2002 8:51:18 PM Pacific Standard Time,
JOAQUINQS@aol.com writes:
> What would be correct to use as buttons, or is that getting too picky
>
...old mexican coins (perfect for your area), antler, bone, pewter, or
copper. I guess it depends on your persona..... Barn
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">What would be correct to use as buttons, or is that getting too picky<BR>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: water containers and compasses
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In a message dated 3/23/2002 9:00:21 PM Pacific Standard Time,
JOAQUINQS@aol.com writes:
<<what type of water containers do some of you use>>
Frank, For water I too carry a bees-wax lined gourd; for whiskey a small
tin-lined copper 'lentil' shaped canteen. I tried one of the wooden canteens
but found it heavy and uncomfortable compared to the gourd.
<< in getting a compass what would you suggest>>
I found a combo compass/sundial to be both compact and convenient. My second
one was a "Rogers Rangers" style and is what I carry in my haversack as it's
nearly indestructible. The first one I got is similar to the Jefferson, but
with a string gnomen and brass time bezel around the compass. It's mounted in
a walnut box, and though I intended on carrying it, but it turned out to be
too danged pretty so it's on display at home!
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000a0" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"><B>Frank, For water I too carry a bees-wax lined gourd; for whiskey a small tin-lined copper 'lentil' shaped canteen. I tried one of the wooden canteens but found it heavy and uncomfortable compared to the gourd.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></B><BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000a0" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"><B>I found a combo compass/sundial to be both compact and convenient. My second one was a "Rogers Rangers" style and is what I carry in my haversack as it's nearly indestructible. The first one I got is similar to the Jefferson, but with a string gnomen and brass time bezel around the compass. It's mounted in a walnut box, and though I intended on carrying it, but it turned out to be too danged pretty so it's on display at home!<BR>
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your getting to picky you could use a loop and tab make butttons out of flattened round balls most people don't research down to that picky hand sewen shirt is enough until later jon towns
JOAQUINQS@aol.com wrote: I am having made a hand sewn light weight summer shirt (gets pretty hot here in West Texas)it is made of a hemp cotton blend and is ivory white. What would be correct to use as buttons, or is that getting too picky
frank
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<P> your getting to picky you could use a loop and tab make butttons out of flattened round balls most people don't research down to that picky hand sewen shirt is enough until later jon towns
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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: water containers and compasses
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Seeings how every one is getting in on this one I might as well join in.
For water container I use the copper canteen now. I have tried gourds and
have had nothing but bad luck with them. Ether they have been broken on the
trail or the wax gets broke loose in side making the water taste bad. Don't
like them and would use one again. I haven't tried leather but I have friends
that have and they had troubles with them leaking after some abuse. Tin works
well but the one I had rusted on the inside after a while so I quit using it.
So far the tin lined copper has held up the best.
As for a compasses what I use is when the sun comes up in the morning I point
my noes towards it, North is on my left South is on my right. When it's late
in the day and it's going down same thing only North is on the right and
South is on the left. Hasn't failed me yet and never breaks.
See ya on the trail
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Seeings how every one is getting in on this one I might as well join in.
<BR>For water container I use the copper canteen now. I have tried gourds and have had nothing but bad luck with them. Ether they have been broken on the trail or the wax gets broke loose in side making the water taste bad. Don't like them and would use one again. I haven't tried leather but I have friends that have and they had troubles with them leaking after some abuse. Tin works well but the one I had rusted on the inside after a while so I quit using it. So far the tin lined copper has held up the best.
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<BR>As for a compasses what I use is when the sun comes up in the morning I point my noes towards it, North is on my left South is on my right. When it's late in the day and it's going down same thing only North is on the right and South is on the left. Hasn't failed me yet and never breaks.
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thanks everyone for your input, i will read again the post and decide what i
want to use.
frank sablan
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Subject: MtMan-List: WAS: water containers NOW Prepping gourds
Date: 25 Mar 2002 14:51:58 -0500
"Addison Miller" <admiller@citynet.net> wrote:
>> I carry a gourd canteen lined with beeswax.
This is for those who know how to manufacture gourd canteens. Once the gourds are dried and ready for cleaning, how do you all ensure that the inside is cleaned out well. This is easy if you are just making a bowl or a gourd-half canteen (try to find 2 that are near approximate circumference - what a task). BUT what about those carrying bottle gourds or some other type with just the cork hole in them. How do y'all clean them?
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"...thanks everyone for your input, i will read again the post and decide what i want to use..."
Frank,
Just remember, no matter what you opt for, some will applaud your choice and compliment you on your research and dedication to being "period", and some will criticize you for sloppy research, tell you that you are wrong, and walk away muttering to themselves that nobody (but them) really cares about being "period". Just so I don't sound too cynical, I will mention that there are also some that will say "Hi Frank...nice shirt!"
(Have you considered using aluminium conchos..."if they'd 'a had them...." <VBG>)
Black Knife
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I have used and abused my round gourd canteen and so far (knock on wood) it
hasnt broken, I have even used it on a modern trail ride with 8 kids and one
of those kids banged it around so much I thought it was a gonner but to no
avail , it still holds water . I also have a copper canteen I use as a
standby, both are of great service
thanks to all on thier responses to canteens and compasses,
i often use the sun, but what happens on a cloudy day in unknown area? just
something to think about
frank
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<BR>
thanks to all on thier responses to canteens and compasses, <BR>
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i often use the sun, but what happens on a cloudy day in unknown area? just something to think about<BR>
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Subject: MtMan-List: Jedediah Smith's Trade goods and other info
Date: 25 Mar 2002 21:57:32 EST
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in the manifesto fo jed smith's trade goods i came across the following(which
was cut and pasted here):
3 dozen bone buttons
4 gross marble buttons
2 gross glass buttons
1 gross shell buttons
1 gross coat buttons
2 gross waistcoat buttons
interesting note on the 2 gross waistcoat buttons(interesting at least to
me), I will probably go with bone buttons on a light weight hemp/cotton
blend shirt.
as for the compass, i am still researching, I think i remember the use of a
compass in the early RMFT era 18??, and I also recall a iron banded or even a
tin canteen in some invoices, I will continue to look and keep you posted if
any are interesed.
Frank
ps I like to portray a RMFT trapper who winters in the warm southwest but
continues to venture into the rockies, if I had to pick a mountaineer I try
to emmulate that would be Mariano Medina, we are both considered half-breeds.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">in the manifesto fo jed smith's trade goods i came across the following(which was cut and pasted here):<BR>
3 dozen bone buttons <BR>
4 gross marble buttons <BR>
2 gross glass buttons <BR>
1 gross shell buttons <BR>
1 gross coat buttons <BR>
2 gross waistcoat buttons <BR>
<BR>
interesting note on the 2 gross waistcoat buttons(interesting at least to me), I will probably go with bone buttons on a light weight hemp/cotton blend shirt.<BR>
<BR>
as for the compass, i am still researching, I think i remember the use of a compass in the early RMFT era 18??, and I also recall a iron banded or even a tin canteen in some invoices, I will continue to look and keep you posted if any are interesed.<BR>
<BR>
Frank<BR>
ps I like to portray a RMFT trapper who winters in the warm southwest but continues to venture into the rockies, if I had to pick a mountaineer I try to emmulate that would be Mariano Medina, we are both considered half-breeds.<BR>
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If one reads the "Invoice of Sundry Merchandise from the Rocky Mountain
Outfit 1836 under charge of Fontelle, Fitzpatrick, & Co." they list 6 brass
compass.
and another from "Invoice of Sundry Merchandise sold and delivered to the
Missouri Company by Fr Regnier at St Louis" they also list 3 compases @ $.25
I have researched my gear and was once told read the inventories of the fur
trade and it will give you an idea of what was available to the men, hence
(for me at least ) the want of a compass. (just rambling on )
Frank
Rambling on and on in Odessa Texas
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and another from "Invoice of Sundry Merchandise sold and delivered to the Missouri Company by Fr Regnier at St Louis" they also list 3 compases @ $.25<BR>
<BR>
I have researched my gear and was once told read the inventories of the fur trade and it will give you an idea of what was available to the men, hence (for me at least ) the want of a compass. (just rambling on )<BR>
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Frank<BR>
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This lining method and material may not be period but if you are concerned
with bugs, bacteria and etc............this may be the way to go.
I have used in lining various containers for customers Enviro-tex table top
resin. It is an epoxy mixture that is food, alcohol and heat resistant. As
someone stated in a previous post. Clean out the canteen whether it is tin,
leather, gourd after everyuse and dry upside down, (I often put a rolled up
paper towel in side to act as a moisture wick drawning out all moisture) and
store WITHOUT the stopper. The resin is available at most hardware stores ,
Lowes, Home Depot, Ace Hardware and sometimes Wal-Mart.
Hope this is helpful to someone.
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<BR>
I have used in lining various containers for customers Enviro-tex table top resin. It is an epoxy mixture that is food, alcohol and heat resistant. As someone stated in a previous post. Clean out the canteen whether it is tin, leather, gourd after everyuse and dry upside down, (I often put a rolled up paper towel in side to act as a moisture wick drawning out all moisture) and store WITHOUT the stopper. The resin is available at most hardware stores , Lowes, Home Depot, Ace Hardware and sometimes Wal-Mart.<BR>
Hope this is helpful to someone.<BR>
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Cant help you with gords but as for hawks,find a JB brand and you got a
good'un! they run from $25.00 to $30.00 and are good quality
respectfully
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In a message dated 3/28/2002 2:08:27 PM Pacific Standard Time,
drsimm@juno.com writes:
> Can folks suggest a "reasonable" price source for gourds - bowls, dippers
> and canteen size. and tomahawks.??
Try www.crazycrow.com. They have gourds, canteens, hawks and all type of
other accoutrements. Also, it would be appreciated by all if you'd give us
a small introduction of yourself and sign your posts. Thanks, Barney
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Can folks suggest a "reasonable" price source for gourds - bowls, dippers and canteen size. and tomahawks.??</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000a0" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0"><B>Try www.crazycrow.com. They have gourds, canteens, hawks and all type of other accoutrements. Also, it would be appreciated by all if you'd give us a small introduction of yourself and sign your posts. Thanks, Barney<BR>
I have been reviewing Montana-wyoming Buffalo company's buffalo meat, and
want to order some. My question to the list. What are your favorite meals
using buffalo meat. I would like some one pot possibly two item dishes. I
am thinking buffalo stew meat and wild rice and possible some stew, would
love you hear your favorite dishes.
Frank
Odessa,Texas
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">I have been reviewing Montana-wyoming Buffalo company's buffalo meat, and want to order some. My question to the list. What are your favorite meals using buffalo meat. I would like some one pot possibly two item dishes. I am thinking buffalo stew meat and wild rice and possible some stew, would love you hear your favorite dishes.<BR>
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Frank <BR>
Odessa,Texas</FONT></HTML>
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<BR>one of my most favorite meals using buffalo meat is a two item meal that needs no pot. First to get the most out of this meal you need the right environment to set the mood and ambiance for this meal. For it is the most important ingredient in this recipe. You want to be in the back country some where miles away from any roads preferably in the pines with your ponies picked out on some tall grass.
<BR>The meat is roasted on a stick or just throwed on the coals to bake. The second item for this meal is Camas baked in a pit add some good friends to share this meal with and WAUGH! yo've got a meal fit for a King.
In a message dated 3/30/2002 11:57:07 PM Central Standard Time,
GazeingCyot@cs.com writes:
> Crazy Cyot
I am buying some meat for that purpose, in two weeks a buddy and I are going
to rendezvous and I would love to have buffalo cooked over the fire, cant
wait to try it
frank
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 3/30/2002 11:57:07 PM Central Standard Time, GazeingCyot@cs.com writes:<BR>
I am buying some meat for that purpose, in two weeks a buddy and I are going to rendezvous and I would love to have buffalo cooked over the fire, cant wait to try it<BR>
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frank </FONT></HTML>
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