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hats-digest          Thursday, August 3 2000          Volume 02 : Number 208




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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 00:13:33 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Johan Hindstrom INF <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Covers, hats site, Tshirts.

On Sun, 30 Jul 2000, mike wrote:

> you play music on your PC at work or at home on less than dynamic
> speakers then even a nats fart would sound vagualy ok.  play a standard
> computer's soundcard into a decent amp / speakers system and you'll hear
> that even the newer mp3 doesn't quite sound as full as the uncompressed
> stuff.

Sorry.. I didn't think I had to specify my soundgear here.
I use great big floorshaking speakers and an amp to match.
And STILL I claim .mp3's sound as good as the cd's.
No wax build up.. don't go there.
As for the nats farts... Could you post those somewhere?
Share the joy, why don't you? :)

             - Johan



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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 00:47:35 -0500
From: "Matt McCarthy" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Site       8 Tracks! Yahoo!

Stefan has updated the site and is indicating the masses (Us?) want CDs.

You know where it is....

http://menwithouthats.com/mwhnews.html

I want a CD that looks like the ROY pic disc.....

MMM



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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 21:43:24 +0200 (CEST)
From: Thomas Bieler <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re: CD vs MP3

Ok, folks, my 2p:

I also think mp3 mean a loss of sound quality, but I wonder if this is
still true for those old demos(DEMOS!) and live recordings (LIVE
RECORDINGS!) that we are talking about. Tape noise and head rumbling might
lose some definition, but is there any MUSIC left that would be affected
by compression?

Thomas



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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:43:39 -0600
From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) my two cents about mp3

I fell that everything should be released in MP3 format and if people have
the resources they should also make audio CDs.

It is so much easier to put mp3s on a web site and let people download them.
I would make all the mp3s at 4 different quality bit rates.

128kps (A few people would notice the difference)
192kps (Hardly anybody would know the difference)
256kps (You think you might know the difference)
320kps (Nobody would know the difference)

Then I would release audio Cds for those that need to have the raw audio
format and those that like the custom artwork.

I know that some of the concerns in the past was people don't want to listen
to mp3 files on their tiny little $5 computer speakers.

It is very easy to convert a mp3 file back into a raw Audio file (WAV or
AIFF) and burn a normal audio cd so you can listen to the songs on your
super deluxe neioughborhood bass shaking 5.1 dolby digital home theather
system. Plus many people have mp3 players hooked up to their stereo system
(I have a portable CD/MP3 player, Apex DVD/MP3, Memory based portable mp3
player, and a Pent/75 computer in my car trunk cranking out tunes through my
stereo)

I am not against making Audio Cds for those that want them. I just think it
makes a lot more sense to release it first in mp3 format so people can
download it from anywhere in the world and have it faster.

When you limit the distribution only to CDs there are going to be many
people that are going to miss out including those that can not afford it or
if they are "Living in China"

I Vote for both.

- -Richard
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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 16:21:28 -0600
From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (hats) Covers, hats site, Tshirts.

Even though I am totally for the mp3 format I would have to say there is a
difference between cds and mp3s at 128kps.

Now if you do a blindfolded test with Cds and mp3s at 256kps encoded with
the Fraunhofer encoder nobody would know the difference.

I have sat for hours comparing the difference. I can usually tell a
difference with 128kps and maybe just a little with 160kps and it is very
hard for me to tell a difference with 192kps and anything over that I have
no chance of telling a difference. Then there is 320kps which I think nobody
could even tell the difference.

There is also a big difference in MP3 encoders. I have tested many different
encoders and you have to make sure to use the Fraunhofer encoder. Also mp3
decoders make a difference also. Winamp has a very good decompressor (which
is the most popular) but there are some cheap ones out there that will not
decode the mp3s as good as other ones.

You say MP3 to somebody and they think you just said "Join the Dark Side,
Luke"

- -Richard

- -----Original Message-----

Right...
I DARE you to do a blindfolded (Pepsi/Coke) test between
CD and Mp3 at 128000 bps!
This is JUST a comment on quality...
I don't take any other stands right here and now!




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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 16:23:13 -0600
From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: (hats) CDs, MDs, LPs, Paper Tapes (HAHA!), and MP3s...

Even though MiniDisc is a good format it is going to die as a consumer
format. Hardly anybody owns a MD recorder/player and we would have to buy
one to listen to the inexpensive MWH MD that came out. I do not own one.

Sony had their chance to push MiniDisc 9 years ago when it first came out. I
was surprised that it never took off but Sony never advertised it. Then a
year or two ago they start to push it like they should have done way back
when they first brought it to the market.

The MP3 is one of the new formats that we are going to see in the future.
The idea format is an open audio format that can be saved onto different
kinds of media (Memory Cards, CDRs, Hard Drives, etc.)

The problem is when people listen to mp3 files and compare the quality they
listen to mp3s encoded at 128kps. 256kps is awesome and 320kps is overkill
for those that think that can hear a difference.

Soon we will be buying all our music online and just dumping it onto the
format of your choice.

I will get off this soapbox now. I am sure most people are sick of me taking
about the mp3 format.

- -----Original Message-----

There is no doubt in my mind that MiniDisc is the best format for this kind
of
material if CDs are out of the question or will be out of the question
initially.
No expensive equipment or even a computer is required to record / copy them.
Blank MDs are very inexpensive - as are the players at long last as well.
They also sound incredibly good - and far better than MP3!!

I'm glad you put MD in 2nd place behind CDs.  MiniDiscs have never been
promoted
as CD substitutes but rather as cassette tape *replacements* and for that
purpose
they do a DAMN good job!

Myke



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Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 19:49:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Lord Hasenpfeffer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MDs & MP3s

> Even though MiniDisc is a good format it is going to die as a consumer
> format. Hardly anybody owns a MD recorder/player and we would have to buy
> one to listen to the inexpensive MWH MD that came out. I do not own one.

Yeah.  At $179 each, portable MD recorders are prohibitively expensive too.
And the blank discs cost $2.15 apiece!

My $900 Linux box runs amazingly well but sounds like crap.

It is true that Sony never pushed MD as it should have, however, when it
was first available, the compression algorithms were grossly underdevloped
and audiophiles had a great big laugh at it.  That's ancient MD history now
though.

> Soon we will be buying all our music online and just dumping it onto the
> format of your choice.

Please let me know when the technology for recording an entire semester of
college lectures with MP3 is possible - along with easily trimming out all
the dead-air space later to best utilize my available storage space.

MiniDiscs - they're not just for music anymore!

Myke


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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 22:50:54 -0500
From: "Matt McCarthy" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Existing non mailing list covers.

With the recent creation of covers by members of the list I have begun to
broaden my Men Without Hats collection with a covers area. My question for
the list is this:

What other bands are you aware of that did covers/demos of Men Without Hats
material?

I have heard 4 different Safety Dances just recently.

Luxt (previously mentioned Industrial)
Echoing Green
Dead Flower Children<?>
Frazer (recently on Ebay)

I know nothing about ANY of them other than the titles.

I also heard a lo--ng version of Pop Goes the World that I had never heard
before apparently done by Men Without Hats.

What others are you(s) aware of?

MMM
Men Without Hats fan-atic;
and Acrophobia 'holic.   [Hi MUp]







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