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hats-digest           Sunday, June 18 2000           Volume 02 : Number 199




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Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:46:15 -0600
From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (hats) Safety Dance Update MP3 and Realaudio

WOW! Your remakes are awesome Tony. I am a big synth fan and I love how you
did your tracks. Thank you so much for making a mp3 file so I can hear a
clean copy. Its awesome!

So how is the person saying S A F E T Y in your extended version?

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[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Tony Reed
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 12:12 PM
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Subject: (hats) Safety Dance Update MP3 and Realaudio



I have updated the Extended version on my site. Now it is 56kps
Realaudio and full length. My original songs are also now full-length
56kps Realaudio as well.

http://tonyreed.homepage.com/music.htm

I have also uploaded MP3s of both versions of "The Safety Dance" to
Richard Holdmans site.

http://www.holdman.com/mwhcovers/

As he stated before, this is meant only for list members so please don't
give the username and password out.

In case you missed the post, both the username and password are
"mwhcovers"

Enjoy the music.

Tony
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Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 07:37:03 -0700
From: Tony Reed <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re:{hats}Tony Reed

Matt McCarthy wrote:

> How/why are you a Men W/O Hats person?

Well, I guess I never shared this before, with anyone, so I never really
examined the reasons until now. This is gonna be a long one because the reasons
are many, but here goes...
I was nine or ten when the Safety Dance became popular, I liked it immediately.
My family was poor so we couldn't afford to buy music very often. When we did,
we usually bought a compilation album by K-Tel since they were significantly
cheaper and contained only hits. I can't tell you how many times I held the
cassette of ROY in my hands just wishing I could take it home (I had to get the
cassette. The album had fewer songs and CDs hadn't even entered my
consciousness). I saved up half of my allowance when ever It was possible (My
allowance was 50 cents a week). It was almost a year before I was able to buy
the album. In that time I never got tired of the Safety Dance ( I actually had
gotten a copy of the song on a K-Tel album called "Street Beat", but I wanted
the Extended Dance version). When I first bought the album I was so afraid that
I had wasted money on an album that only had one good song on it that I only
listened to The Extended Safety Dance for the first week. As time progressed I
heard the rest of the album and I remember how happy I was that it was better
than I expected. I remember thinking how fortunate it was that there were songs
on the album that were better than the Safety Dance.
     It was then I discovered something else. MWH mentioned my name in their
songs. Well you can imagine how profoundly this would endear a ten-year-old to a
band. So I listened to the tape over and over and over....
     I don't know how commonplace MWH was in Canada, but FOTE3 was never even
promoted in CA, so I never knew it was around, but then, one night in 84-85 I
was up late watching HBO when a movie called "Blue Line" came on. A party scene
began with the sound of three kick drums and then a song began with a female
voice speaking in french. I liked the sound of the song so much I wasn't even
paying attention to the movie (Which was particularly bad). Then I heard a very
familiar voice singing about walking around in circles. At that point I had to
check the record stores for a new MWH album. It was almost two years before I
finally found it, but this time I was able to buy it immediately. When I got it
home, once again I was pleasantly surprised to discover that the entire album
was good. And yes, they mention my name again. Another year passed...
     I had discovered New Order and decided I wanted to write music in the vain
of "Bizarre Love Triangle" and "Blue Monday". The discovery of New order lead to
the discovery of other electronic bands like Depeche Mode and Erasure. One
night, while on the bus to a wrestling meet, a teammate let me borrow his
Walkman so I could hear this new song he had taped off of the radio. I heard the
synthetic bells and thought, "Well, this is neat". The song kicked in and the
vocals began. I didn't recognize the almost whispered vocals but I immediately
fell in love with the song. I asked my friend, "Who does this song?"
     He told me he thought it was "Echo and the Bunnymen."
I went to the store to buy the new Echo and the Bunnymen tape (Still couldn't
get CDs yet). As I was in line to pay for the tape, I noticed in the M section
that there was a new MWH tape. I immediately put the Echo tape back and got back
in line to buy the MWH tape. When I got it home, I was completely surprised to
find that the song I went to the store to buy in the first place wasn't even an
Echo song. It was a MWH song. It was Pop Goes the World. I didn't like the album
as much as FOTE3, but they did mention my name again. That's when I realized
that Men Without Hats were an electronic band, too. I also began to realize that
all my old favorite bands were electronic.
     From then on it was diligence that ensured that I got the new MWH CDs. I
always checked the MWH section in the stores. I bought 21st Century the day it
came out. By then I was importing music from everywhere and doing my own music
so, while I liked the album, I thought it could have been done better with a
good producer. Nobody around me seemed to share my love of the Hats so I just
listened in my room and was happy all the same.
     I enjoyed Sideways, especially "I am the Walrus", but it was my least
favorite of the albums. Before you think it, I didn't dislike it because of the
guitars. I didn't mind that at all. What I disliked was the abuse of old blues
riffs. As if it wasn't bad enough I had people criticizing my own music because
it was electronic and then showing me their tired, overdone, blues-oriented rock
and telling me that it was superior because it was an homage to the roots of
rock. You have to take a lot of crap from other musicians when you do electronic
music, but this strengthened my will and I continued, but I did learn to play
guitar and occasionally add some to my songs (i.e.: As I Pray - on my music
site)
     Four years ago, I discovered that the music of MWH is still resounding
through the net. I finally got a copy of all the videos as well as the FOTE EP
and the Freeways single. I was even able to get copies of old unreleased songs
which I still enjoy today. The only song I don't have a copy of is "The
Winnebago Song"
To answer the question, finally, I am a MWH person because their music has been
like another family member to me. Their music has echoed my life. I am proud to
have the chance to pay homage. And that's what my version of the safety dance
is. An honest tribute to the most influential band in my life.



> On WinAmp the mp3 version of your cover was so much crisper than the
> original way. I am proud to have it.
>
> Thanks again
> MMM

How can I respond to that except to say thank you. I'm proud of how it came out
and you saying that just makes me prouder.

Thank you again,

Tony

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Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:03:50 -0700
From: "Aaron Gitlin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) hmmm...

There is a new band out called MDFMK that I really like.  There's a band
member in it, Tim Skold, who used to run his own band - which you can find
at www.skold.com.  I was poking around on his page, and found something
quite amusing.

Once at the main page, click the little face at the bottom, and on the new
page, click the green "SKOLD" letters.  This will take you to his actual web
site.  On the left, you will see the letters "SKOLD" in red.  Click the S.
Tell me the logo does not look familiar...

My friend John and I spent about 25 minutes with it next to another favorite
band of mine's logo, and discovered small discrepancies, but not too many.

Aaron



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Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:00:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: Alex <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) hmmm...

> There is a new band out called MDFMK that I really like.  There's a band
> member in it, Tim Skold, who used to run his own band
As an even more amusing set of notes:
* Tim Skold used to be the singer of Shotgun Messiah.
* MDFMK used to be known as KMFDM (on Wax Trax! Records).
* KMFDM's last couple of albums _also_ featured Tim Skold on vocals.

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Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:33:30 -0500
From: "Angela Tooley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) hmmm...

Wow, I can't believe all the MWH logo rip-offs that have been popping
up on the net these days.  I don't know much about copyright law and
logos, but it seems to me if Stefan wants to start another fight for
his band's rights, he should have more than enough fuel with this.

Angie

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Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:47:31 -0600
From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: (hats) hmmm...

I don't think there is much that anybody could do about. I have never seen
the logo have a TradeMark() or a Registered(.) trademark on it. I am not an
expert of copyright laws but if you do not get your logo registered or even
have the trademark other people may have the right to use it.

Also the story is that Ivan got the logo from a construction site that had a
green circle around it and then just put the slash on it to created the MWH
logo. Someone else created that logo in the first place and Ivan just
modified it.

There is also another copyright law that if you modify a picture or logo by
a certian ammount its ok to use.

Like everything though I could be way off on all of this :)

- -Richard

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Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 8:34 AM
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Subject: Re: (hats) hmmm...



Wow, I can't believe all the MWH logo rip-offs that have been popping
up on the net these days.  I don't know much about copyright law and
logos, but it seems to me if Stefan wants to start another fight for
his band's rights, he should have more than enough fuel with this.

Angie

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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 00:26:53 -0500
From: "Matt McCarthy" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Best Canadian musicians!?

This is on The Men Without Hats site.

And I encourage everyone on the list to put them over the top.

http://menwithouthats.com/mwhwantsyou.html

Vote often,          (No I do not know if you can do so more than once...
but try!)
MMM



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