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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 20:25:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: goreal <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Hats tshirt sighting..

..at the Whole Foods store in Hotlanta this weekend, anyone here the
guilty party?!

Yep, some of us are in Georgia..

Jim

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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:48:02 -0500
From: Christopher Gegax <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MWH videos

Hi, all.  This is only the second time I've written.  I'm trying to
acquire some MWH or Ivan videos.  Any MWH or Ivan videos.  Currently I
have none.  :-(

If anyone is willing to help me (VHS dubs are fine) I'd be grateful.
I'm happy to reimburse for expenses incurred (materials, time, postage,
etc.).  Thank you.

BTW, I'm in Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA.



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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 02:43:48 -0600
From: "Stephen D. Sundstrom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Someone is selling the MWH bootlegs on EBay

Hello fellow MWH fans,

I remember reading a posting that somebody submitted to the mailing list a
few days ago about how to remove illegal auctions from EBay.  I just noticed
one of the bootlegs that was produced, I'm sure, by the MWH mailing list
being auctioned on EBay.  The url for the auction is:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=147051932   .    The
thing that bothers me about the auction is how much the seller is asking for
the cd.  The auction is currently at $36.00 and the seller has set a reserve
price that must be higher than $36.00 since the reserve price hasn't yet
been met.

Does this bother anybody else besides me??

This is one of the reasons that I thought that having an organized release
of the live recordings where people could pay a "fair price" for the cd was
great, rather than having to be screwed over by someone trying to make a
huge profit on something.  And, as with all boots, the band gets nothing.  I
know that the issue of Richard Holdman's selling of the bootleg cd's is no
longer an issue of conversation on this mailing list, but I guess I would
still like to see these recordings maybe released by the "official MWH web
site" for purchase at a fairprice so that fans who want to be able to buy
these cd's will have a location where they can buy them at a fair price and
so that Ivan, Stefan, and other MWH members can reap the profits of the cd's
sold.

Anyway, I just thought I would bring this issue up to the list.  I thought
about reporting the illegal posting to EBay, but decided against it in case
it was someone on this list.

Anyways,

Take Care.




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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 99 12:13:31 +0100
From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Someone is selling the MWH bootlegs on EBay

>Does this bother anybody else besides me??
it annoys me no end!!!  So, someone must've bought the bootleg and sold
it on for profit...  Hold up your original CDs all you people and lets
see who the guilty party is!!

}:-)



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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 08:04:15 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: (hats) No Subject

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]

> I've been away for a while (since May).....
>  *****************************************************
> Couple Questions:
>
> 1--What is "Same Halo?"

"New" old song that didn't make it on the "Pop Goes the World" album.

Go here to listen: http://www.mpgang.com/hatsmusic.html

[...]
> 4--Does anybody live in Georgia or near Savannah?

Brad D. and I live in Atlanta -- about 4 hours from Savannah...

What can we help with?

Steve
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 08:14:56 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: (hats) Hats tshirt sighting..

> -----Original Message-----
> From: goreal

> ..at the Whole Foods store in Hotlanta this weekend, anyone here the
> guilty party?!

I'm thinking it was Brad Day...

Brad?  Care to defend yourself?

> Yep, some of us are in Georgia..

...though I still prefer to say I live in Atlanta.  Even though my home
address is Lithonia...  ;-)

Steve



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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 08:54:42 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) I Know Their Name

(Years of nothing, and then 3 times in one day!)

There has been discussion on this list about the song, "I Know Their Name."
Seems that everyone is of the opinion that it is about fame.

I have a different angle.  Have you ever thought of this:

Infamy!

When I first heard the song, the Menendez brothers were on trial for killing
their parents.  The song kind of fit:  "I know their name, I saw their
picture in the paper yesterday ... I read the story that was written on the
page."

That's what that song always makes me think of.  Of course, it's hard to
turn on the news or read the paper and get any GOOD NEWS these days...

Anyone have any similar thoughts?

Steve



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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:11:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MWH Videos

I would have been happy before to assist you with obtaining the
videos you seek but you can thank Stefan's poor judgement for the
change in my attitude.  I no longer support his work and will do no
more to advance it.

Myke


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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:29:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MWH Videos

> You strike me as a bit of an arsehole,

Aw, shux.

> Stefan asked that people stop giving
his work away for free,
> nothing wrong with that.

Silly me.  I remember now.  Stefan threatened to sic the FBI on
those who were giving away his work for free.  Yes, you're right.
Thanks for setting me straight on this.  I'm guess I'm back in the fold.

Myke


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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:31:14 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Hats tshirt sighting..

I am a T-shirt owner, but I was out of town this weekend...

Anyone up for an Atlanta Hats-Con???

Brad Day


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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:39:45 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Hiram Lester, Jr." <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) The Same Halo

Ah... if it were only better quality, I'd be in Heaven. Please, Stefan,
release some of this type of stuff on an official small printing direct
marketing type of deal... I for one would be willing to pay $20-30 for a
CD of rare recordings and unreleased material such as this...

Anyway, has anyone tried transcribing the lyrics?  Here's what I have...
If anyone can fill in any of the blanks (including the French portions), I
would greatly appreciate it. :)

The Same Halo
Men Without Hats

Low is high and high is low,
How are we supposed to know,
Which is where,
And when to go.
Give me back the same halo.
Could it be we're talking
About the same halo?

Rock and roll removed my pride,
It only told me where to hide,
Up and up away we go,
Give me all I need to know.
I remember Penny Lane,
I'll never walk that way again.
Rock and roll removed my soul,
Give me back the same halo.
Could it be we're talking
About the same halo? (x 2)

[French]

Rock and roll removed my brain,
Funny I still feel the pain,
...
... ?something? we should know,
I remember Penny Lane,
I'll never walk that way again.
Rock and roll removed my soul,
Give me back the same halo.
Could it be we're talking
About the same halo? (x 2)

[French]

When I look in your eyes,
There's one thing that I know.
When I look in your eyes,
...
When I look in your eyes,
There's only one ... tomorrow.

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:31:09 -0700
From: "Mr. Oglio" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Oglio 2 for 1 Available for Canada!

Gang:

The Oglio 2 for 1 will be on sale in Canada September 1, 1999. Here
is the track list for those unfamiliar:

Rhythm of Youth
    Ban The Game
    Living In China
    The Great Ones Remember
    I Got The Message
    Cocoricci (Le Tango des Voleurs)
    The Safety Dance
    Ideas for Walls
    Things In My Life
    I Like
    The Great Ones Remember (reprise)

Folk of the 80's (Part III)
    No Dancing
    Unsatisfaction
    Where Do The Boys Go?
    Mothers Opinion
    Eurotheme
    Messiahs Die Young
    I Know Their Name
    Folk Of The 80's
    I Sing Last / Not For Tears
    Antarctica


For Canadian list members we will offer pre-sales. The CD is $15.98
US dollars + $6 US dollars shipping. I suggest a credit card for the
best exchange rate. Second best would be an international money order
made out in US Dollars drawn on a US bank.

*** Credit Card (Visa/MC/Amex) ***
e-mail to [e-mail] or fax at [phone]

Include card number, expiry date, billing address, shipping address,
telephone number. DO NOT RESPOND TO THE LIST WITH YOUR CREDIT CARD
NUMBER!!!!

If ordering by mail, send to : PO Box 404, Redondo Beach CA 90277

Sorry US citizens. No word yet on a release. We felt lucky to get
Canada for now. :-)

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:41:12 PDT
From: "Vince Silvaggio" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Same Halo French lyrics

Hi, Hatters...here's the French portion of "The Same Halo" transcribed:

"Quand je ferme les yeux
Je te regarde
Et quand je ferme les yeux
Le temps n'a pas d'Γge
Il fait chaud dans tes bras
Comme une plage
Que tu rerΩveras..."

...which means...

"When I close my eyes
I look at you
And when I close my eyes
Time has no age
It's warm in your arms
Like a beach
Of which you'll dream again..."

Later,

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:00:05 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Hiram Lester, Jr." <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re: Same Halo French lyrics

On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Vince Silvaggio wrote:

> Hi, Hatters...here's the French portion of "The Same Halo" transcribed:
>=20
> "Quand je ferme les yeux
> Je te regarde
> Et quand je ferme les yeux
> Le temps n'a pas d'=E2ge
> Il fait chaud dans tes bras
> Comme une plage
> Que tu rer=EAveras..."
>=20
> ...which means...
>=20
> "When I close my eyes
> I look at you
> And when I close my eyes
> Time has no age
> It's warm in your arms
> Like a beach
> Of which you'll dream again..."

Cool, any comments, additions, or corrections to the partial English
lyrics?

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:06:22 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Hiram Lester, Jr." <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re: Oglio 2 for 1 Available for Canada!

On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Mr. Oglio wrote:

> Gang:
>
> The Oglio 2 for 1 will be on sale in Canada September 1, 1999. Here
> is the track list for those unfamiliar:
...
> Sorry US citizens. No word yet on a release. We felt lucky to get
> Canada for now. :-)

Cool, so does somebody from north of the border wanna help us less
fortunate ones? :)

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:03:05 -0700
From: "Mr. Oglio" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Fwd: Re: Oglio 2 for 1 Available for Canada!

The Very Best of Men Without Hats is the European version of the 2
for 1 CD. They thought it would sell better that way. I tend to like
packaging and track orders like the originals so I kept it that way
for the Canadian release.

Carl @ Oglio


>
>BTW, there's something else I wanna ask you. There is a CD listed in
>Lazlo's discography called "The Very Best of Men Without Hats" which is
>most of the material from Rhythym of Youth and Folk of the 80s Part III.
>Lazlo has it listed as possibly being a bootleg. I just got a copy of it
>in the mail today, and it says on the back of the booklet:
>"This compilation (C) (P)1997, CMC Home Entertainment Under license from
>the Oglio Entertainment Group, Inc. USA"
>Is this correct? Maybe you could shed some light on this on the list if it
>hasn't been addressed already? Thanks.



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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:01:04 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Hiram Lester, Jr." <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re: Fwd: Re: Oglio 2 for 1 Available for Canada!

On Wed, 18 Aug 1999, Mr. Oglio wrote:

> The Very Best of Men Without Hats is the European version of the 2
> for 1 CD. They thought it would sell better that way. I tend to like
> packaging and track orders like the originals so I kept it that way
> for the Canadian release.

Thanks, Carl.  Unfortunately "Very Best" is missing a few songs: Ban the
Game, Ideas for Walls, and Great Ones Remember from RoY and Mother's
Opinion from FoTE. If anyone is interested in this. I ordered my copy from
German Music Express at http://www.musicexpress.com/ on 7/30/99 and got it
yesterday.  They ship airmail from the Netherlands and the total cost was
only about $17!

Also, I'm not sure if the liner notes are different from the ones on the
2fer, but I can transcribe them if needed. Also, if Lazlo needs catalog
numbers, etc. for the discography, just let me know. :)

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:05:56 -0400
From: "Dr. Laura M. B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Someone is selling the MWH bootlegs on EBay

Hi Hatters,

Laura from NC on her soap box again. . .   (Moose, can you see
me holding up my CD?  I don't even have the one with the black
logo cover - I have the Ivan cover.)

> >Does this bother anybody else besides me??

GRRRRRR!  The whole idea behind us making FAN-PRODUCED
Materials was for the personal enjoyment of our fellow listers.
People who have contacted me out of the blue asking for Ts, I have
always told them to join the list, post a message, then ask me
again once they are "official."

It pains me that someone on the list is choosing to abuse the
resources available to the MWH Internet Fan Club by selling the
boot.  Along with a couple of others on the list, we persuaded Mr.
Somebody and Ivan to let us make a fan-produced CD of the
demos by explaining to them that the boots are made solely for the
enjoyment and pleasure of the list members.  I now feel that
whoever is selling the demo CD has made me into a liar.

If Stefan is giving out any black hat awards this week, I know who I
would nominate.

L8R!
LK


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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:38:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: goreal <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) re: bootleg on ebay

Any complaints about this item on ebay should be emailed to:

[e-mail]

Perhaps enough notices will get the item pulled..

- --- "Dr. Laura M. B. Kramer" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> Hi Hatters,
>
> Laura from NC on her soap box again. . .   (Moose, can you see
> me holding up my CD?  I don't even have the one with the black
> logo cover - I have the Ivan cover.)
>
> > >Does this bother anybody else besides me??
>
> GRRRRRR!  The whole idea behind us making FAN-PRODUCED
> Materials was for the personal enjoyment of our fellow listers.
> People who have contacted me out of the blue asking for Ts, I have
> always told them to join the list, post a message, then ask me
> again once they are "official."
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 21:50:33 -0700
From: "Greg Samson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) the auction number and what we might do about it

[Hopefully this one makes it thru - I THINK this is where I'm subscribed...]

Is this the auction about which we're writing?

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=147051932

I went to

http://pages.ebay.com/services/safeharbor/report-infringing.html

and submitted this report:

>This item is a CD created from material which was authorized to be
>released ONLY to members of a Men Without Hats mailing list, and ONLY if
>done at-cost by mailing list members.

>Offering the disc to the general public is thus a violation of this
>agreement and an infringement on the artists' copyright.

...which bounced, because I forgot to include the item number!

Before I resubmit it, do people think this is the right language to use in
reporting it?  If so (or even if not, once it's reworked), do we have other
eBay members on-list who could join me in reporting this?  We do still have
5 days 19 hours as of this writing...

Hope this one makes it out!

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