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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 19:11:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Bootlegs

> I think a retrospective compilation, remixes, live tracks, demos would be
> great, and i know a label who would be interested in putting it together.

Yes, a comprehensive, official box set of rarities would indeed be nice.
Especially if it included CD and videotape compilations.

> I'll see what i can do, so maybe the fans can finally have a legalised
> version of the bootlegs. :o)

Your intentions are good, however, I'll be blown away if "Winnebago Song"
is *ever* included on any official release no matter what it is.

Myke


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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 19:21:31 -0400
From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) hahahaahah bruce springsteen?

Hi everyone,

I read what Stefan wrote about Bruce Springsteen.  But I don't understand
what he meant by that.  Anyway, the ironic thing here is it is known that
Bruce Springsteen became popular because of bootlegs.



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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 19:43:45 -0400
From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) we are sucks :)

Hi fellow sucks! ;) Ok ok I'm just joking.  What I mean here is after all
this bootleg talk which I normally would absolutely adore but aren't we
getting a teensy weensy little bit out of hand here?  :)  By "we" I mean us
and Stefan.

For us....geez, it's just one member who's a little loopy.  Can't we all
have a bad day? :)

Apparently the Doroshuck brothers don't talk very often.  If Ivan and Colin
loved the bootlegs in 1997 (as well as Bruce Murphy who was here on the
list) and Colin said they'd release a demos cd anyway...

And I'm sure even if they officially release any or all of the bootlegs
(some of the tracks on the Beatles' anthologies came from bootlegs and a
recent Abba box set contained recordings from bootlegs because original
masters were lost--and Abba's against bootlegs and releasing demos).  How
can Stefan think we wouldn't buy it anyway?  Sure we have nice superb
remastered cd quality Freeways and why bother buying it all over again?
BECAUSE WE ARE COLLECTORS DAMMIT!!! :)  So Stefan, if you're reading this,
you have nothing to fear.



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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 20:50:32 -0400
From: "Tom Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) we are sucks :)

>Apparently the Doroshuck brothers don't talk very often.  If Ivan and Colin
>loved the bootlegs in 1997 (as well as Bruce Murphy who was here on the
>list) and Colin said they'd release a demos cd anyway...


Well I am one of the people who talked to him about this.  He said he would
like to release everything they had so far on at least a  limited edition
basis for fans like us.  This is assuming they can get the rights back from
Marc Durand.  Right now, it sounds like everyone is in a stale mate.
      He also laughed about the demos.   During our hour talk, he told us
that the Hats have MANY unreleased albums besides the ROY demo tape.   He
was wondering why we were so into this one tape, not understanding that this
is the only one we knew about.  He didn't say they were bad songs.  He just
said that there is so much other great stuff that we haven't heard as well.
It sure sounded like there were at least 2 other unreleased albums before
Pop Goes The World.

  And I'm sure even if they officially release any or all of the bootlegs
>(some of the tracks on the Beatles' anthologies came from bootlegs and a
>recent Abba box set contained recordings from bootlegs because original
>masters were lost--and Abba's against bootlegs and releasing demos).  How
>can Stefan think we wouldn't buy it anyway?  Sure we have nice superb
>remastered cd quality Freeways and why bother buying it all over again?
>BECAUSE WE ARE COLLECTORS DAMMIT!!! :)  So Stefan, if you're reading this,
>you have nothing to fear.


You know I have a feeling that Stefan was talking about the sound quality of
our Live boots, when he said they weren't worthy of release.  You can bet
that the Hats have 0 copy CD quality concerts!  I think maybe Stefan doesn't
want people to think that they sound that distorted and noisy.  They don't!
Colin told me that they taped many shows.  Laura, Dave, and Claude can
verify this.  They were listening too!   I am predicting that they have many
shows that sound better than the Freeways Live boot.
       We will find out soon when Stefan puts those RA files on his page.

Tom
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 22:33:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Collectors Dammit!!!

That's exactly right.

myke


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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 22:37:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) RA files

RealAudio files sound like crap, though, don't you think?
What's the advantage to having RA files when they have inherently
bad sound.

Myke


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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 22:58:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: D Krupla <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Alphaville concert / Echoing Green

- --- "Stephen D. Sundstrom" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> I mentioned the other day that I had just gotten home from seeing the
> Alphaville concert here in SLC, Utah.  One thing I forgot to mention
> was
> that one of the opening bands, a synthpop band called The Echoing
> Green out
> of New Mexico, played "The Safety Dance" during their set.


The Echoing Green is a Christian synthpop group, so if you're
interested you may have to check out the Christian bookstores.  I was
surprised by how enjoyable the album with the Safety Dance on it is.
They do a cover of Accidently 4th Street Gloria that is cool.  One
instrumental sounds like it's a redo of some old Herbie Hancock song,
but it's a 98 original.  For the non-Christians out there, I still
recommend the album.  There are only a few songs that are preachy in a
direct Christian manner.  One of my friends, technically a Wiccan,
enjoys the cd.

The Saftey Dance version is one of the better covers, imho.

Dave K



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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 19:41:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) I'm Outtahere!

> I guess you're very hurt

Not hurt.  Appalled.  Not at what Stefan has done, but the manner in which
he chose to do it.  He's either very stupid, very ignorant or both.

I've not decided to unsubscribe to the list because of this.
"I'm outtahere!!" is just a message expressing the negative way
Stefan has made me feel because of the way he's been towards Richard.

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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 19:31:15 -0500
From: Kevin Lentz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) we are sucks :)

Additionally, the whole of Metallica's "Cliff 'Em All" is comprised of
bootlegged videos. I'm of a mixed mind about this whole thing. I
wholeheartedly agree that the musicians themselves should be in control
of their own work, but I think that Steven has handled the matter in an
imprudent manner.

On an unrelated note, does anyone still have the MWH T-shirts available?
I'd love to get ahold of one. Thanks!
- --=20
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 21:37:12 -0500
From: Stefan Doroschuk <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) What the fuck

 This is for all the folks on the mailing list who are receiving my
correspondance with Richard Holdman (and I had no idea that everyone was
listening in). I think that Richard was the only one who understood that
the black hat thing was just a joke. Everyone's busy calling me names
and shit, but no one has yet come up with a good argument as to why I
should let someone else, fan or not, profit from ripping off MWH (or
just rip us off without profit if you prefer). I also don't understand
why everyone is so pissed off since you all have these CDs already!
 Years ago, I bought a cool bootleg of a Lou Reed practise. Although I
consider bootlegs a form of compliment to the band (and I'm sure Lou
does also), I seriously doubt that he would allow a web site to openly
sell these tapes. That's what bootlegs are all about, they're supposed
to be hard to get.
 So I hope everyone can realise that the original message was sent only
to Richard, that it was not directed to anyone else (so they really have
nothing to be mad about) and that they will still enjoy MWH,
 Stefan
PS to the folks who emailed me to diss me and to unsubscribe from the
mailing list: You're a big bunch of babies and you should seriously
think of getting a real life. For those who have shown support, thanx.
Oh yeah, I almost forgot to say, Ivan agrees completely with me !!!
And Jon, you have no class, you should go far in the music biz!




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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 00:13:19 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) What the fuck

<< but no one has yet come up with a good argument as to why I
  should let someone else, fan or not, profit from ripping off MWH (or
  just rip us off without profit if you prefer >>
 ------
 bootlegs of this live material does not rip off MWH or anybody else. this is
material that would be never heard anywhere else and only serves to promote
the band and keep the fire alive in the fans hearts. this material is Not
competing with existing live or other material by the band, such arguements
are a joke.  grow up Stephan!

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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 22:33:29 -0600 (MDT)
From: Billy Bob The Moonshine Man <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) What the fuck

Stefan-
    You state that everyone on this list has the bootleg already.  This is
not true.  Since you posted to the list, you must have already read all of
the previous posts since this whole thing started.  You said in one of
your previous emails to Richard (and I do not quote.  I read it a while
ago) that what Richard is doing is corrupting your artistic integrity.  I
would love to buy any new albums that get's put out by MWH.  At the same
time, I do not like having to pay to buy an import that I can only get
online.  As far as I can tell, it is no longer possible to get any or all
of your albums in regular chain stores such as Best Buy in the states.  I
mean, hell, I only live about an hour from Aurora, IL.  I live that close
to where Ivan grew up, and I can't even buy the albums here?  I know that
you put out most of your music out of Canada, but I remember when my
brother bought Pop Goes The World on tape.  It was not an import at that
time, to my knowledge.  There is no way I would have been able to see you
in concert, as I was only 10-13 at the time.  The band, as a collective
whole, should be happy that Richard and people like the members of this
list are out here promoting your music.  When I first heard some of the
mp3's i downloaded off of Richards website over a year ago, it rekindled
my enjoyment of listening to your music.  I heard songs that I had never
heard before, and it opened my eyes to your albums besides Pop Goes The
World.  I have since bought half of your albums because of the mp3's on
Richard's 'site.  In other words, if it wasn't for the mp3's, and live
bootlegged songs, you would not have gotten the royalties off of those
CD's.  I'm sure that there are at least a few other people on the list
that would agree to this.  I use those live mp3's to let my friends know
who MWH are.  My friends are realizing now that the Safety Dance was not
the only song you ever did.  Yes, your aren't getting the money from
Richard selling these CDs.  But I also see no sign that you are wanting to
capitalize on them yourselves.  You might not see them as up to your
standards as a band, but didn't people pay to go see those shows in the
first place?  If we are still wanting these songs, then maybe your
standards for yourselves are a bit too high.  the quality may not always
be there, but the song remains the same.  if you do not want to capitalize
on these live bootlegs, i do not see why you will not let Richard sell
them for the cost to make them, and shipping.  You aren't making anything
off of the CDs, but you weren't making money off these recordings anyways.
Richard isn't making money off of them.  No one is making a profit here,
just spreading the joy of your music to farther reaches, and at the same
time, promoting your other albums.  There is such a difference between
live and studio, you can have 10 versions of the same song, all at
different locations, and they will all sound different.  The difference is
what counts.  The studio albums are all the same versions for the most
part.  Some are extended, but they are all the same quality.  That is how
studio recording works.  You get the sound you want, but it doesn't have
the same feel as live.

Billy Bob The Moonshine Man

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 00:37:50 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) bootlegs

My opinion on bootlegs has always been simple.  Those people willing to
record, promote, copy, sell, and pay large prices for bootlegs are already
going to be the kind of fans who have already bought all of the band's
albums, and probably all their singles, imports, posters, t-shirts, books,
concert tickets, etc.

Intellectual property is a reality, but the people participating are your
fans, and most likely they've already given you lots of money.

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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 21:47:16 -0700
From: "Russ Kemsley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) What the fuck

Such language!

So he's pissed because his bootlegs aren't as hard to get as Lou Reed's?
Uh...whatever.



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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 00:39:12 -0600
From: "Stephen D. Sundstrom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Stefan....

Stefan,

I think that most of us on the list were just unhappy with what we perceived
as an attack on Richard Holdman.  I've had personal contact with Richard
before, and believe me...he's a great guy.  I just don't understand why you
would want to deprive somebody the opportunity to hear MWH live.  I consider
myself lucky enough to have seen MWH live (as the opening band for
Icehouse), as I've stated before and to this day still think that that
particular show was the best concert I've ever been to.  I've purchased
every copyrighted recording the band has released in one medium or another,
i.e. tape, record, or CD when available (and will continue to purchase any
new recordings that are released as solo artists).  I've even purchased
Ivan's solo work, and am looking forward to buying "Mackenzie-Parker Gang"
cd.  But...I would guess that the average band only releases an album/cd
every 3 years, and eventually the band calls it quits altogether.  Bootlegs
give the fan an opportunity to hear performances that they never in a
million years would have dreamed existed (there was a big discussion about
the song "heaven" on the list a while back and nobody would have ever heard
that song had it not been for the boots, and as somebody said earlier...the
flaws in the performance are part of the charm.

One of the things you said in your thread though, was that "bootlegs" are
supposed to be hard to get.  Well, 5 to 10 years ago they were hard to get.
But, with the internet becoming a household tool, the world has become a
much smaller place.  I know of a internet store where I can get bootlegs
from almost any artist I can think of (for a handsome price).   So,
bootleges will never be as hard to find as they were 10 years ago, but again
we now live in an "information society" (also reference to another great
synthpop band).

Take care,

Steve

p.s.  I was glad to see your  recent post to the mailing list.






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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 02:33:24 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) What the fuck

In a message dated 7/19/99 8:56:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<<  Everyone's busy calling me names
 and shit >>

Uh, and exactly *which* part of Hell's Kitchen are *you* from, eh?

Hasn't this all gone far enough?  I thought we'd all learnt our lesson with
the whole 'concert' faux pas?

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 01:34:37 -0600
From: "Stephen D. Sundstrom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Stefan...

One other thing, Stefan said that he couldn't believe what a big thing that
all of this has blown into, and that the people on this list are
overreacting to the situation.  Well, he is probably right.  However, most
of us never have any contact with the musicians that we admire.  You love
somebody's music and you think to yourself "Wow, they must be pretty cool",
and then if you have negative experience with that artist, it tends to
destroy your pre-established views of this person.  At such point, you might
just "overreact".

One such example:  I happened across a recording of Morrissey being
intervied for KROQ.  The interviewer was telling Morrissey of an experience
he had when escorting a group of handi-capped children to a Def Lepard
concert.  After the concert, he pushed one of the kids wheelchairs up
towards the stage and as Joe Elliott was leaving the stage he asked Joe
Elliott if he would autograph this kid's record, as the kid was such a big
fan.  Joe Elliott didn't even stop to look at the kid and walked away saying
"They're all my biggest fans."  Well, after hearing that story, I had no
desire to buy any more Def Lepard recordings.  All I could think about was
what a jerk Joe Elliott was.  The point is, yes, fans do tend to overreact
when their image of someone isn't what they expected.  But, that isn't to
say that I think anybody should have called you names.  And, as for the
person that said that the "Mackenzie-Parker Gang" album sucked, I think he
should let us all decide on that.  I still am anxiously looking forward to
ordering it.

Thanks for listening to me ramble.

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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 21:20:41 PDT
From: "* *" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) GROW UP STEFAN!

bootlegs of this live material does not rip off MWH or anybody else. this is
material that would be never heard anywhere else and only serves to promote
the band and keep the fire alive in the fans hearts. this material is Not
competing with existing live or other material by the band, such arguements
are a joke.  grow up Stephan!

dan

EXACTLY!
Thankyou Dan!


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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 22:27:42 -0700
From: jon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) What the fuck

>PS to the folks who emailed me to diss me and to unsubscribe from the
>mailing list: You're a big bunch of babies and you should seriously
>think of getting a real life. For those who have shown support, thanx.
>Oh yeah, I almost forgot to say, Ivan agrees completely with me !!!
>And Jon, you have no class, you should go far in the music biz!

I think this whole thing has gone far enough. I apologize for adding my
comments in, it was uncalled for, i was just mad too like the rest of you
guys. Let's go back to being fans, regardless of bootlegs--whatever!! the
point is, we're all fans, let's just enjoy the band's music.

You guys (stefan and Ivan) have put out some great material, and we all
appreciate it. Bootlegs are cool, but the music stands alone. I think that
this whole issue has really blown out of hand, i do understand their
(stefan's) point.

Anyway, I hope some positivity can be restored onto this list.

Sorry for my earlier negative views--

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:38:29 +0200 (CEST)
From: Thomas Bieler  <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) FW: Copyright infringement

[e-mail]  wrote:

> You would think that they'd want to do about anything to keep
> people interested in MWoH- - they haven't exactly lit up the charts for a
> while!!
Weak point - As I see it, Ivan & Stefan are both struggling to get their
current projects respected as what they are and don't want to be just
'former MWH members'

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:49:15 -0600
From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) WOW!!!

The MWH mailing List has kind of been dead for awhile and this whole
thing sure has got it going! :)

I would just like to say Thanks for everyone for supporting me with
these bootlegs. Stefan gave me quite a scare threatening to turn my name
into the FBI. He made me feel like I was a criminal and that I was Enemy
number 1 against MWH. I really thought he was mad as hell at me and did
not consider me a fan at all.

I understand where he is coming from and he has the right to stop if me
he wants (which he did). The only thing I did not like about it is the
way he did it. Stephen Sundstrom made a good point in one of his recent
posts about Def Lepard in which Def Lepard told the young boy in his
wheelchair "They are my biggest fans" and walked past. I am really
having a hard time respecting Stefan at all right now. The only thing
right now making me still like MWH is thinking as Ivan as MWH. If it was
Ivan instead of Stefan that wrote me like that I would be out of here
already and would put up my MWH collection for sale.

I think maybe I might not be as big as of MWH fan as I think I was. I
really did love them and digged their music. I remember when I got the
sideways album a few years back. It was on the internet that I found out
they had a newer album that I did not have. Of course you could not buy
it in a local record store so I went to a specialty shop that had
imports and rare cds. They said they could get it but they would have to
order it. After waiting two weeks the Cd finally came in. I rushed down
to the store and bought it and could not wait to get home to hear it.

I starting listening to it and really did not like it that much. Then
there was a certain song on their that I hated (I think we knew which
one) and at that point I was trying to collect every single thing. I
told myself that I would just not listen to that CD but it would still
be part of my collection. Every time I would see the CD cover though I
would think of that song. I finally sold the CD to a place that takes
used CDs.

What am I trying to say? Heck, I don't know... I guess I am just trying
to release all my thoughts in random order.

I really love IVAN's New album and I listen to it a lot! I am very glad
to see him make music I really like compared to the sideways album.

Where was I? Nowhere I guess.

I would just like to say Thanks for everyone's support and thanks to the
people that made the bootlegs available and I was glad that I was able
to share these recordings with other MWH fans.

As many of you know that have received CDs from me you know I like to go
all out with the artwork and have it printed (I am a graphic designer, I
have to have it like that :) - A lot of the money from the Cds went into
the printing. I spent over $200 on the artwork for the mp3 cds to get
printed and I think I sold about 10 of them. I have a lot of left over
artwork and I am wondering what I should do with it. Maybe I could make
some cool wallpaper out of all of it.

Well maybe I will start working on my next project I have been wanting
to do for quite sometime now. Collecting every single thing done by Book
of Love. They use to be my 2nd favorite band of all time but now they
are my first (You can think of what my favorite band was :) - They are
still my 2nd though)

Thanks for listening to me ramble. Don't forget out MWH Chat Session
this Thursday at 7:00pm EST at http://www.holdman.com/mwh and for those
that are still looking to buy the MWH bootlegs, I am sure you will find
someone that will give them to you. Remember "Everybody's selling
something".

- -Richard

P.S. Anybody have any rare Book of Love? :)


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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:34:37 PDT
From: "Dave Mattingly" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) WOW!!!

re: the Subject -- more news about Wendy O'Williams? Oh, that's a different
use of the word WOW...

>I understand where [Stefan] is coming from ...
>I did not like the way he did it

I understand, too. As a fledgling writer, I had posted a lot of my older
stuff for free on the net, and I recently got a publisher interested in
publishing it as a book. So I'm torn between giving my work away like I have
been, and retracting it so that my book will sell...

If Stefan is trying to generate interest in his new band, that's fine. And
if he wants us to stop with the music trading, I can understand that. As for
his methods, I can be forgiving. I figure we just caught him on a bad day or
something. He's probably a decent dude beneath it all.

Instead of dissing MWH, I put my homemade compilation in the CD player a
couple of days ago, and have had it going ever since, to remind me why I
really like these guys. No matter what the personalities behind it, they can
produce some excellent work, that can really inspire me. And I respect them
for that. MWH hasn't dropped any on my own favorite groups list (they've
been number 2 behind Ed's Redeeming Qualities, http://rockin.to/erq, since I
frist heard Ed's about 5 years ago), followed by They Might Be Giants.

I wonder how I might handle huge success. I write articles now for fun, but
if I found that people I didn't know were swapping around my old stuff, I
might feel a little weirded out; I don't know.

Thanks, Richard, for doing so much to support the other fans. And you did
such an excellent job on the CDs themselves that I use your CDs as the
standard to which I strive when I make my own.

>P.S. Anybody have any rare Book of Love? :)

Do you know where I can get their first album on CD? I love the vinyl, but
have never looked for a CD of theirs. Bewitched, Orange and Lemons, Tubular
Bells, and other greats were on that first album.


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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 13:47:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) been dead for awhile

> The MWH mailing List has kind of been dead for awhile and this whole
> thing sure has got it going! :)

We've all been too busy making bootlegs to bother with posting any
messages to one another!

Myke


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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:39:18 -0400
From: "Kerry Gordon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Logic?

Does anyone understand this logic that I saw posted on another fan-based =
mailing list?

"It's O.K. for a non-fan bootlegger to make big bucks peddling questionable=
 quality bootleg recordings but it's not o.k. for real fans to trade =
better quality recordings with other fans."

Am I missing something?

Kerry



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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 13:57:16 -0600
From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Something to Cheer you up.

Hi, its me.

The sunshine is shinning today. I don't know if I told anybody this but
I have a webcam set up at http://www.holdman.com/timpcam

It's non-mwh related, but HEY! Its something positive.

- -Richard


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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:31:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Scrutinized anything lately?

> Hi, its me.

The White Zone is for loading and unloading.  If you must
load or unload go to The White Zone...

Myke


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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 18:19:22 -0700
From: jon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) WOW!!!

>Do you know where I can get their first album on CD? I love the vinyl, but
>have never looked for a CD of theirs. Bewitched, Orange and Lemons, Tubular

Actually, i think those tracks were on their second album (lullaby), but
the first (self-titled) album was absolutely brilliant, their best IMO. It
had You make me feel, boy, i touch roses, etc. I can get a copy of that
first album if you want it--it has 5 bonus tracks on it (remixes of all the
singles.) good stuff!

take care,

jon


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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:23:55 -0600
From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Bootlegs

I was reading the post by Stefan which reads

"So I hope everyone can realise that the original message was sent only
to Richard, that it was not directed to anyone else (so they really have
nothing to be mad about) and that they will still enjoy MWH"

I think what he is saying is that it is fine for the memebers of the
List to trade these bootlegs with another. He just does not want to give
permission for us to do it. As far as I understand it, I am the only one
that is not able to distribute the bootlegs anymore.

- -Richard


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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 00:17:04 -0400
From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) I Like

HA HA! You thought this wasn't an email about the whole Stefan thing!
WRONG!  Just kiddng, only the first paragraph is.  If you're sick of it,
skip down to the next paragraph which talks about the "I Like" video...

In conclusion....I really don't care (I think) which member did what
because I'm kind of used to it.  For example, I don't mean to put Ivan
down, Ivan was very laconic and vague in his replies on the chat we did
with him a few years back.  And he was the same and a little weird on TSN
(then again, I don't blame him.  Look at the show he was on!).  Add to that
the lyrics to 'Superbadgirls' didn't impress me much.  My point is,
everyone has their personalities that are different from everyone and some
people are evil some are kind some are loud some are sexy some are dull
some are losers and some are winners.  Whether you're a dentist or a
celebrity or the person reading this, we're all the same.    HAVEN'T WE
LEARNED ANYTHING FROM "IN THE 21ST CENTURY"?!  Just accept it because we
can still dance if we want to!

Well, on a much needed lighter note (I don't care which band member did
what, for me Men Without Hats has mysteriously always been just Ivan.
Except for the Moonbeam video)...someone once wrote they responded to an ad
in the paper for extras in a video shoot and it turned out to be the video
for "I Like".  After all this bickering and flame throwing and crying and
emailing and replying, I think it would be kinda cool to see how it was
like to be on the set of one of their videos.  Maybe Stefan (are any of the
other members incognito here?) can enlighten us with anecdotes like Bruce
Murphy has before?



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