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hats-digest           Sunday, August 2 1998           Volume 02 : Number 080




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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:48:16 +0000
From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) T-shirts

Hi Hatters!

For those new to the list, I am Laura the T-shirt Goddess.  In the
past year and a half, I have developed the following modus operandi.
I collect orders for Ts for 6 months to a year, then when I have a
big enough order, I have *just that many* T's made up.  This is
because this represents a substantial financial outlay.  I then let
people know their Ts are ready, how much their total with postage etc
is, and where to send the $$.  After the order is placed, I then
start a waiting list, which is the foundation new list for the next
order.  If someone changes their mind about their order, or does not
send in their $$, I will offer their Ts to the next person on the
waiting list.

I just finished an order in May, I think it was, and I am still
waiting to receive $$ from quite a few people.  I will wait until
school starts back up again before I begin cancelling their orders
and offering their T's to the waiting list.  Those of you who have
contacted me privately to let me know that your $$ will be a little
late or on the way, don't worry - I will hold your T's.  Those of you
who I have not heard from since April or May - better get cracking!

Anyway, as there have been several questions about Ts posed to the
list or to me privately, I will again summarize the Ts available, and
then people can write to me privately to get on the waiting/new order
list.  The Ts are 100% cotton, available in ROY Gold or F80s3 White;
sizes XL or XXL (they shrink to be *just right*); short sleeve,  no
pocket.  On the front is the MWH logo in black and red, very large!!;
and on the back is the email list address and the quote "The Great
Ones Remember."  Colin and Ivan have these Ts, and Colin said that
the quote is perfect.  Prices are between $13 and $15 depending on
size and color you want, and includes postage to the US or Canada.
If you live in Timbuktoo, obviously postage will be more.  ;-)  I
just want to add that the prices for the Ts represent my actual cost
to get them made and mailed - I make *NO* profit off of these!

To get on the waiting/new order list  . . .

1.  Be prepared to wait perhaps until next spring for a shirt.
2.  Send me your (real) name and snail mail address.
3.  Tell me what quantity of each size and color you want.  There are
discounts on multiple shirts, since I include postage in the price
and I can get two or three shirts in one package.

CUL8R!
;-) Laura


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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 13:33:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Monsieur Arrobas

Today I was listening to the RoY demos and wondered which other songs Jeremy
Arrobas wrote.  I know he wrote "Rhythm of Youth", and "Treblinka", but I
wonder which others did he write and co-write (I guess Claude knows! :)).  I
know he was also involved in the Freeways songs.

Also, does he have Internet access?  I think it would be great to be able to
chat with him since he's the other former member who wrote the lyrics (to
their early stuff).

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:41:44 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Monsieur Arrobas

Hey

Mr. Arrobas left MWH before the summer tour of 1981.  He was replace by Jean-
Marc Pisapia, lead singer of The Box.  But, as you know the "Nice" character
of Mr. Ivan Doruchuck,   Jean-Marc left MWH during fall 1981, after the summer
tour.  They were a caracter incompatibility (according to Jean-Marc).  "Ivan
is someone very tough to work with" said Jean-Marc.  Then he found The Box in
1982.

Did you know that the production company in Quebec who has to booked Ivan
didn't get 1 single show????  People in Quebec want to see MWH, not Ivan.

Ciao

Francis


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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 20:56:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) no concert

In this e-mail, I look at Ivan declining the show from an objective view.


>tour.  They were a caracter incompatibility (according to Jean-Marc).  "Ivan
>is someone very tough to work with" said Jean-Marc.  Then he found The Box in
>1982.

Well, my impression of him is he's a serious artist so I can see how he can
be hard to work with.  I'm kind of like that too (but I'm open to
compromise), my art--whatever type it may be--is a direct reflection of
myself.  Maybe Ivan feels the same way-- I guess he doesn't compromise his art.

>Did you know that the production company in Quebec who has to booked Ivan
>didn't get 1 single show????  People in Quebec want to see MWH, not Ivan.

I see you are bitter with Ivan.  I don't blame you.  You worked so hard to
put the show together and regularly reporting back to us on the updates then
Ivan says, "Nah".  It may not make things better, but I hope you understand
the rest of the list thanks you and fully appreciates for the work you put
in (wow, all that work while your youngest daughter was sick.  How is she
doing?).  It was going to go on and be a success--I know--but in the end,
the singer didn't want to do it.  Do you know why?  From what I remember, we
really didn't get a straight answer.  All we got was Ivan prefers to be as
Ivan not MWH.  All we were able to do was come up with some theories (the
one about the band practice seemed to be the most accurate*).  In my
opinion, he owes us an explanation, we are his fans and we were ready to
give him a concert whether it was private or not isn't an issue.  But still,
he came on the chat (but was laconic like anything).

I don't mean to sound rude to Ivan, but he writes all those songs about
"I've got a woman inside" and the environnent, and he shows his true
feelings mean, but he doesn't tell us why he didn't want to do the show.


I'm surprised at how QUIET and I mean Q-U-I-E-T the list suddenly became
when Ivan declined the offer.  And it still is.  My opinion is we're somehow
still hurt by the unanswered questions and we seemed to be hit with a little
reality we don't want to admit to Ivan so frankly (I hate to write this): we
prefer MWH not his solo work.  And we prefer his early days anyway.  But
this is a sign.  Ivan says "I want to be Ivan" but there isn't a demand for
it.  I think he'll be more successful when the new MWH album comes out (as
he said).


So, a question, have we stopped listening to our CDs?  Are they listened to
in a darker light?


*Someone mentioned Ivan probably preferred to do Ivan songs rather than MWH
because then they'd have to rehearse for the MWH songs after not playing
them for a decade.  Let's face it, we preferred he sang all the early stuff.
all that rehearsal would take a lot of time.

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 21:33:02 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) no concert

In a message dated 98-07-27 20:57:52 EDT, [e-mail] writes:

> So, a question, have we stopped listening to our CDs?  Are they listened to
>  in a darker light?

I still love my MWH CD's. I still listen for enjoyment and I feel no less now
since there isn't a concert.

I'm disappointed that there isn't a concert (who isn't?) but we are a MWH fan
list. Ivan probably has a solo fan list and they should have an Ivan concert.
It's not our fault we don't want to see Ivan solo (I speak for myself and
others who were less than interested in going up to see him). I might have
enjoyed it just as much, but it's just not what I was looking forward to.

I hope this makes some sense.

- --Nick


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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 04:13:31 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Monsieur Arrobas

In a message dated 7/27/98 4:46:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> Mr. Arrobas left MWH before the summer tour of 1981.  He was replace by
Jean-
>  Marc Pisapia, lead singer of The Box.  But, as you know the "Nice"
character
>  of Mr. Ivan Doruchuck,   Jean-Marc left MWH during fall 1981, after the
> summer
>  tour.


Hey Francis....

GET OUT OF MY LITTERBOX!

;-)

Charlotte


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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 02:28:31 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Men Without Hats

I am interest in buying a Men Without Hats T-shirt and possibly other
merchandise. Can you tell me where I can find such items? Thank you...


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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:01:20 -0700
From: Kathy&Michelle <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) For Sale

HI!
I have a copy of Greatest hats I would like to sell
I am asking 13$ for it or best offer

=)
Michelle
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 19:56:47 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) a question

In a message dated 98-07-29 19:55:36 EDT, you write:

 [e-mail] wrote:

  >I know most of you don't have the best personalities...but at least they're
personalities.
  >



 Speak for yourself, pal.

 Angie >>


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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:56:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gary Mattheu <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan Marries!

Ivan marries Irene! congratulations to Captains LOG!



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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 23:17:46 -0400
From: "Jeffrey A. Abbas" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) a question

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-07-29 19:55:36 EDT, you write:
>
>  [e-mail] wrote:
>
>   >I know most of you don't have the best personalities...but at least they're
> personalities.
>   >
>
>
>  Speak for yourself, pal.
>
>  Angie >>
>

There seems to be a bit of confusion regarding the above statement.  I
did not make it.  My post (which has been excised from the above quoted
reply) was "Ouch," meaning that I was surprised to see what appeared to
be a blatant insult at the end of an otherwise intelligent query.

I should note, however, that upon further consideration, I believe
Divisio had tongue firmly planted in cheek when making the statement.
And I'm glad Divisio's query spawned such an interesting response by The
Elendilrandiri about the meanings behind Walk on Water.  Umberto Eco
would be proud.

Best wishes to the group,

J. Abbas


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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 00:07:52 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) The show

While I was at work today doing my mindless lemming-work, I kept thinkning
about Ivan and MWH. The only diffrence is Collin and Steffan aren't around
anymore. From what I've heard, Ivan wrote most of the music and they told him
what "was MWH" and what "wasn't".

Now had we gone to see Ivan, I feel it would to see how the Hatless are
currently doing, only without the influence of the other brothers.

Personally, I'd still rather see all three of them, but Ivan's still Ivan,
with or without a Hat.

- --Nick


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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 22:33:29 -0700
From: "Eric W. Soderblom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) UPDATING SITE INDEX

Hatters, I am finally going to update the Site Index again.  It has been
since April (I think).  So, if anyone wants to be linked to, or has any
ideas, now is the time to let me know.  It's at
http://home.earthlink.net/~soderblom.

- -Eric
Eric W. Soderblom
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:12:29 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan Marries!

In a message dated 7/29/98 6:25:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [e-mail]
writes:

> Ivan marries Irene! congratulations to Captains LOG!


...........uuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhh............

*???*

:-/


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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:02:47 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Tox  web site

Hey!

I guess people at Tox are soooooo busy with other artists than Ivan.  Did you
notice that this is the SAME information that we are reading since 1 year?

Ciao

Francis


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