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Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 14:54:57 -0600
From: Senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) FOTE EP?

This is just a question I've been thinking about awhile and wondered if
someone has some kind of answer.  "EP" stands for Extended Play, so what
is it in FOTE that has been extended exactly?  A case might be made for
Freeways and it's extended version of the title track, but there are 4
tracks on one side (just like a normal LP) and one track on the other
(I've seen LP's like that too, consider many classical recordings).  The
letters "EP" appear nowhere on either record.  Yet other true EP's I
have clearly state this on the front cover.  (eg. Dire Straits'
"Twisin' By The Pool").   Aren't the 12" singles like The Safety Dance
(Extended Club Mix) the true EP's??

Senz



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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:15:20 -0500 (CDT)
From: Woody Zenfell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) FOTE EP?

(Re: Senz's questions about "EP's":)

I am no expert about this whatsoever, but my intuition has always told me
that the term "EP" refers to a collection of songs that number too many to
be a single or "maxi-single" but too few to be an album ("LP").  Again,
these are not at all "official" by any means, but I would be tempted to
associate the following words with the following definitions:

(The distinction between songs and tracks is to allow for multiple
versions or remixes of one song - those would be multiple tracks.)

single - collection of one or two (maybe occasionally three) songs,
totalling no more than 3 or 4 tracks.

maxi-single - collection of one to three (maybe occasionally four) songs,
totalling more like 5-9 tracks.

EP - collection of 4-6 different songs, totalling about the same number of
tracks.

album - collection of .. well, I should put 7 here to cover all cases, but
I'd like to start it at more like 8 or 9.  But you get the idea.  That
many or more songs, and about the same number of tracks.

I'd like to hypothesize that single, EP, and LP come from the era of
vinyl.. where a single would typically be pressed on a 7" disc.  Then, for
a longer playing time, one could press a 10" disc, which was "extended
play" (from the amount of time on a single).  And of course LP for 12"
discs with even more space on them.  I further hypothesize that short
singles and mixes fit on 7" discs, while longer remixes and such required
a full 12" disc - thus the related terms for various versions of songs.
Now, those terms may refer more to the 'style' of a mix than its length,
but I'd argue that originally those styles developed because of the space
limitations of each format.

I'd certainly be interested to hear any comments about these ideas, since
I've never heard from anyone who "knows"...

Thanks,
Woody



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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:24:46 -0700
From: "Russ Kemsley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) FOTE EP?

Senz says...
<but there are 4 tracks on one side (just like a normal LP) and one track on
the other>

Huh? My FOTE EP has 2 on each side...Side 1 - Modern(e) Dancing & Utter
Space. Side 2 - Antarctica & Security.

As far as calling at EP, all I know is that's what Ivan calls it on the Live
ROY "fan" CD.





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Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 16:22:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Question

1) What is Ivan singing about in I Sing Last/Not for Tears?
    Is it about people who "talk real loud, try to tell you what they
know" but just end up walking you "around in circles?"



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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:35:57 -0700
From: Dave Mattingly <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Question

Collin asks:
>What is Ivan singing about in I Sing Last/Not for Tears?

As I see it, he feels that he's a folk singer taking over the folk music
of the '60s (I sing last), but instead of whining about the way things
are, he suggests we should change them (use the water to wash up, not
for tears). He agrees that they had good intentions, but the result
seemed that their idealism turned to cynicism, so let's try it from the
top.

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Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 17:51:23 -0400
From: "Alain Robillard-Bastien" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re : (hats) Question

To complete Dave's message, let me share with you the feelings I had -and
still have- at that moment. I must say that I did not understand -until now-
the musical history part of it, wich is, Dave, a very interesting part.

I recall this little part, that impressed me a lot back then:

"The party is over. It has been for years.
Let's use the water to wash up, not for tears..."

Today, I still find it very inspiring, indeed...

It is a more "deep" song, with a lot of painful memories and desillusions,
specially about the music  and, of course, it could be understand as a point
of view on ...life.

"We've been told lies, we've been "hearded" around (or something like that:
what does that mean??? My english is weak on that)
(...)
We've been told that this is the one...
(...)
(...)
(...)
Time has come for each of us to decide...
To follow blindly or to step out of line!
And wherever it leads us is wherever we'll go.
I'll dance forever if they'd let me, you know!

 --Not necessarily in that order, though--

 A very very good one. The more I think about it, the more I miss it! It was
a buildup on the same few -brilliants- notes, with Stephan's guitar getting
louder and louder, a very deep and strong sound... Ivan's voice was
absolutely perfect for that song: dark, loud, with a lot of anger emotion
and a little bit of mistery. As the mas was/is, I guess, at least when he
wrote that masterpiece.

"Talking of things passed, you sang first, I sing last... You sang first, I
sing last..."

Ho boy... The melody is on my mind now... Nostalgia!!! Sorry for that... ;-)

And sorry if I made some mistakes... I don't want to scrap this song!!! Does
anyone have the lyrics? I'd like soooo much to read them!

Alain.


>1) What is Ivan singing about in I Sing Last/Not for Tears?
> Is it about people who "talk real loud, try to tell you what they
>know" but just end up walking you "around in circles?"





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Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 18:00:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) What's an EP?

THe first time I encountered the term "EP" it was in reference
to Beatles records.  It was a common practice, moreso in the UK
than in the US, in the 1960s to release not just albums and singles
but also "extended play" singles which featured two songs per side
instead of just one.  Since Fot80s featured only 4 songs, it is an EP.
The 1980s saw the emergence of the "mini-LP" as well which typically
featured four songs per side.  U2's "Under A Blood Red Sky" is a
mini-album featuring 8 live tracks, however, their US release "Wide
Awake In America" featuring 2 live tracks on side one and 2 studio
outtakes on side two is only an EP.

An oddity in all of this is the case of The Beatles' "Magical Mystery
Tour" soundtrack which was issued as an album in the US in November
1967 but as a double-EP set in the UK.  The US album featured the
six songs from the soundtrack on side A and 5 songs culled from
various current singles' A-sides and B-sides which had nothing at
all to do with the film by the same name.  The UK 2EP set spread
the 6 songs from the film over four disc sides, two songs on one
side of each disc and one on each of the other sides.  The songs on
the B-side of the US album remained only available as singles in
the UK until 1976 when the US album version was also released in
the UK to, I suppose, end a lot of frustration.

The emergence of the CD-single has really muddied the waters now
because all songs are on just one side and that side can contain
1,2,3,4,5,6,7, ad nauseum, remixes of the same song plus a couple
of extra bonus tracks and maybe an interview segment or whatever.
They're still CD-singles though unless labeled otherwise by the
marketer.

It's a mess.

Myke


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Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 16:57:01 -0600
From: Senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) FOTE EP?

> .... my intuition has always told me
> that the term "EP" refers to a collection of songs that number too many to
> be a single or "maxi-single" but too few to be an album ("LP").

Thanks Woody,Yes, I think most people would agree with that interpretation.
This makes sense, especially where songs are all four minutes long (e.g.. the
pop world). Perhaps not so much elsewhere where 1 song/track can be as long as
22 minutes! (And still be known as an LP).

The reason this was on my mind was that I'm trying to archive the cover art
for MWH and trying to show where the art appears.  I'm unsure whether to be
using 45/EP/LP or 7"/10"/12" or both in order to be as clear as possible.
Never mind the terms of CD/CD single/CD Extended Play (or whatever Moonbeam
is?)

I like Russ' comment though!  FOTE is an EP because that's what Ivan calls
it!  That kind of settles it, although, I've heard Ivan refer to Freeways as
an LP.  Go figure!

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Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 19:05:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Hey!

If you've been thinking I'm a jerk for my political views or something
like that lately, you'll just have to live with it.

However, if you've been bothered by messages I've been posting to
this list which should have been posted privately, email me.  I didn't
realize it was happening - except for the specific case with last
night's sorrowfully huge message to Claude.  I'm trying to determine
what it is that I'm doing incorrectly that is causing this to occur.

And I suppose I owe the list a great big apology for it now that
somebody on the list finally had the nerve to tell me so that I too
can be aware of what's been going on.

Sorry!

Myke


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Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 17:17:43 -0700
From: KGB <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) FOTE EP?

Single = a record having one short track on each side
Extended Play (EP) = a record with a playing time of 6-8 minutes (presumably per
side).

Since the EP was coined in the 50's it probably came about when Jazz singles could
no longer fit onto a single 7" side.  Technically speaking, FOTE would qualify as
an EP even though it's actually 2 songs per side making up the 8 minutes.

I think the key here is that the music contained on an ep is for all practical
purposes an original piece of work.  Where as a maxi-single would involve some
sort of alteration of the 2-track source (i.e. remix, extended mix, etc. -
including multiple versions).  Also keep in mind that it was very common for an LP
to run 25 minutes with 8-10 songs.  (side note:  In today's digital age I'm almost
offended when a CD-album runs less than 60 minutes, but 60 minutes on a single
vinyl record sounds like crap.)

A long-player is specifically a 331/3 RPM record.  It has nothing to do with the
amount of music contained, but obviously was invented to provide artists with a
medium that can virtually mimic continuity (i.e. a classical concert performance
doesn't sound all that great on 5 78's).  An "album" by the way is one or more
LP's stored in the same package.  So a 2-track 10-minute 331/3 RPM record
technically would be an LP, but obviously this was a device designed for radio
play when the 7" 45 was going away, and the album was commonly used to DJ - you
can just imagine how crazy it must have been when someone accidently... (insert
your own sarcastic musical reference here).

How would I apply these terms to the digital age?  Pretty much the same way,
except that an LP would be anything longer than an EP (and I might bump the EP
margin up a bit to around 30 minutes (since there aren't a whole lot of 3 minute
songs being written these days) total playing time assuming there weren't 6 or
more tracks involved) and there are no more sides (until DVD makes it's mark in
the music world).

A personal distinction I like to add when determining the difference between an EP
and a single, is was the context of the EP "intended" to be a stand-alone work or
was it intended a device to promote the sale of some other work.  In other words,
the Safety Dance was specifically sold with the intent of selling more copies of
ROY.  Of course this line gets blury all the time like "I Got The Message" which
features 2 non-album cuts on the B-side (probably intended with a dual purpose in
mind, the a-side for the new comers - a single, and the b-sides for the fans - an
ep).

Oh what will we call it when DVD takes over and can give us the entire Beatles
catalogue on a 2 disc set?  Like something like that would ever be marketed!

KGB.



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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 21:06:26 EDT
From: Aerechui <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Question, sort of. related in any case.

it has always been my understanding that..........
where do the boys go is about men and how they are in regards to women they
are romantically involved with.

things she does are blown way out of proportion is his mind, and he says
"'uh oh.'  something is wrong." and his brain begins spinning in circles about
it. trying to figure out what is going on. he will end up thinking there are
others motives to her actions or her words or something and that she does not
love him or is interested in some other guy or something. in circles. singing
"w' uh oh!"
the fact is is that is head is filled with things that do not even matter.
nothing is wrong in this situation except him. when he says something to her
he ends up finding that she was on a moonbeam of love the entire time. he was
in a cloud.  of fear. of course then she is upset that he doubted or
mistrusted her......who wouldn't be???

 tell me:  where do the boys go?

(moonbeam is the same story, really....)


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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 17:36:11 -0700
From: "kathy beaupre" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Who is Wendy O williams?

I got that mwssage Myke wrote about Wendy O williams
who is she?

(I hope I am not embarassed by this question..)

Michelle



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Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 23:24:25 -0500
From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) FOTE EP?

Senz a =E9crit:
>=20
> This is just a question I've been thinking about awhile and wondered if
> someone has some kind of answer.  "EP" stands for Extended Play, so wha=
t
> is it in FOTE that has been extended exactly?  A case might be made for
> Freeways and it's extended version of the title track, but there are 4
> tracks on one side (just like a normal LP) and one track on the other
> (I've seen LP's like that too, consider many classical recordings).  Th=
e
> letters "EP" appear nowhere on either record.  Yet other true EP's I
> have clearly state this on the front cover.  (eg. Dire Straits'
> "Twisin' By The Pool").   Aren't the 12" singles like The Safety Dance
> (Extended Club Mix) the true EP's??

In the old days ;o) standard LP (33 rpm, 12") had around 20 minutes of mu=
sic
on each side. Then came 12" singles. EP (sometime called "mini album") ar=
e
extended play when compared to 12" singles. They usually have between 4 a=
nd 6
songs (FOTE was a 10" EP). Freeways is a kind of hybrid between face 1 si=
ngle
and face 2 EP. The name EP is quite freely used to designate anything on =
vynil
that is not a single and that is to short to be an LP.

Take care

Claude


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Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 23:34:34 +0000
From: Ralph Deiterding <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Who is Wendy O williams?

kathy beaupre wrote:
>
> I got that mwssage Myke wrote about Wendy O williams
> who is she?
>
> (I hope I am not embarassed by this question..)
>
> Michelle
>
Well, if you were listening to music (and watching videos) in the early
80's you couldn't really miss her, she was the lead singer of a punk
bank called the Plasmatics, their claim to fame was having a video where
Wendy was on a school bus that was driven through a wall of TV sets.
Anyone else remember that video?

Ralph


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Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 23:56:04 -0500
From: "Claude GrΘgoire" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Who is Wendy O williams?

Ralph Deiterding a =E9crit:
>=20
> Well, if you were listening to music (and watching videos) in the early
> 80's you couldn't really miss her, she was the lead singer of a punk
> bank called the Plasmatics, their claim to fame was having a video wher=
e
> Wendy was on a school bus that was driven through a wall of TV sets.
> Anyone else remember that video?

That video was from Wendy solo carreer (produced by Gene Simmons, from th=
e
incredible KISS). The Plasmatic were famous for their outrageous stage ac=
t:
Rolls-Royce smashing, chainsaw meets electric guitar, pink mohawk and ass=
orted
tutu and Wendy singing topless with electric tape on the nipples. But it =
was
not just gimmicks, they had a very good song called... well... anyway, th=
ey
were incredible ;o))))))))

Take care

Claude the destroyer


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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 1:00:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeff Schachter <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Wendy O Williams and SCTV

Does anyone remember WOW and the Plasmatics when they were on SCTV's "The
Fishin' Musician" h hosted by Mayor Tommy Shanks (the late John Candy, RIP)???

Hee-larious.   They don't make comedy like that anymore.

Ok... this isn't Hats-related, but then both MWH and SCTV are Canadian.

Jeff




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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:33:11 -0600
From: Senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) FOTE EP?

KGB wrote:

> Single = a record having one short track on each side
> Extended Play (EP) = a record with a playing time of 6-8 minutes (presumably per
> side).
> ...an LP would be anything longer than an EP (and I might bump the EP
> margin up a bit to around 30 minutes

"Time" makes the most sense.  The terms themselves refer to amount of "play" whether
it be long or extended.
The # of tracks then becomes irrelevant.  I.e. a symphony containing 1 track on each
side of a record and totaling 45 minutes is still an LP.   The other extreme does
conflict with a time definition, since 12 tracks totaling 15 minutes would then be an
EP but I think this example is so rare that we probably don't need to consider it.
It would seem, in any case, that most people see FOTE and Freeways as EP's.

Senz



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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 05:10:28 -0700
From: Dave Mattingly <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Question

>"We've been told lies, we've been "hearded" around (or something like
>that: what does that mean??? My english is weak on that)

We've been herded around.

Herded refers to a group of cattle or sheep, a herd. Herding is what
shepherds and cowboys do -- keep the dumb animals in their pens and
occasionally move them (herd them) from one location to another.

He means that we as a people have been directed as if we had no mind or
will of our own, and we've been gutless enough to go along with it, but
now Ivan has had enough and it's time to wake us all up from our waking
sleep.

Dave Mattingly




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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 05:22:15 -0700
From: Dave Mattingly <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Question, sort of. related in any case.

>it has always been my understanding that..........
>where do the boys go is about men and how they are in regards to women
>they are romantically involved with.

I never caught this aspect of it. I always thought it was more general
about life. How we all seem to be without direction in our lives, just
meandering around in circles, not really getting anywhere or
accomplishing anything with the gifts we've been given. And it isn't
until something disastrous happens in our lives that we say "uh oh" and
finally look at our lives objectively. If we had been paying attention
in the first place, we could have avoided or at least minimized much of
the hurt that befalls us, but we're too busy filling our heads with
meaningless things to take the time to notice the important things like
where we're going.

Like in Alice in Wonderland, Alice asks the Cheshire Cat which way to
go. The cat asks where she wants to get to. Alice says she doesn't know,
and the cat replies that in that case, any road will take you there.

Another aspect of the song is Ivan's musical career. The boys had made a
hit, but got nowhere with it. It got them fame, and almost a major
award, but the money all went elsewhere. For all their efforts and all
their talent and all the things their heads were filled with, they may
as well have been walking in circles.

We're beginning to get into some of the reasons why FOTE3 is my favorite
hats album...

Dave Mattingly




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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 21:29:10 -0700
From: "kathy beaupre" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivans familly

The reason I want to know is because I am online and talking to this
guy named Peter Doroschuk
he claims to be Ivan,Stefan and Collins cousin and I dont know
he seems to know what he is talking about though!

Thanx for your help..
if anyone could figure this one out for me
I  would be most grateful!

you understand..I dont want to find out I am online with a
wierdo pervert guy who is inpersonating...

Thanx again

Michelle



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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 21:22:51 -0700
From: "kathy beaupre" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) YEAH THANX FOR THE INFO!

well thank you for telling me who Wendy was.
hmm...verry interesting
I think I will stick with MWH.

=)

Michelle



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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 12:33:25 EDT
From: Aerechui <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) wdtbg/ folk of the 80s III

i absolutely agree with you there also!   : )

on both of those songs.  your interpretation of wdtbg is the same as the one i
originally heard when i first found the album. i heard the other one years
later while listening to album with a wonderful female friend and saw that i
was doing exactly that and saw that the same thing went on everywhere i
looked.

this is one of the things i love about mwh. there are multiple meanings in all
of the songs. ivan likes to do this. (he even said so in an interview once,
making me laugh!)

    very well put about not for tears!

thank you. stuff like this is exactly what i hoped for when joining this list!

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 13:11:17 -0400
From: Vince Silvaggio <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Where do the Boys Go?

Hey, Hatters!

Listening to MWH's live stuff, I think it's pretty clear that Ivan meant
that song to mean "Where does MWH go?"  (At the end of one live version of
"WDTBG", Ivan says 'Where do we go?').  I think it's about the hectic
touring the band did right after "Safety Dance" hit it big.

Later,

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 14:23:13 -0500 (CDT)
From: Woody Zenfell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Where To The Boys Go?

I bet Vince is probably right about the touring and band not knowing
what's going on.  But I've always had an interpretation of this about lost
youth: when you're young, friends and amusement are abundant, and the
simple joy of life is enough to keep you excited and happy - so, a group
of young boys could get together and have a good time, and the activity
doesn't matter - walking around in circles going "whaho!" is sufficient.
And when you're young, you have lots of strange crazy ideas that have
little grounding in reality - "our heads were filled with things that
didn't matter anyway" - but you just don't care, it doesn't bother you.
Then, of course, "Where Do the Boys Go?" asks "What happened to all the
friends and simple pleasures of youth?  Why is everything so dull and
serious?  How is it that we could amuse ourselves for hours doing
(activity X, something extremely pointless and silly)?  Why doesn't it
work anymore?"  Sort of related to I Know Their Name.

Just another take on it...

Woody



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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 16:11:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Pirates With Boots

Index for MWH CD Nos. 1-5 and 8 copied directly
to a single NTSC VHS HiFi videocassette...
When CD Nos. 6 and 7 become available, their
contents will also be added.


PIRATES WITH BOOTS
- ------------------

"Folk Of The 80's" EP (released 1980)
- --------------------------------------
 1. Modern(e) Dancing
 2. Utter Space
 3. Antarctica
 4. Security (Everybody Feels Better With)


"Rhythm Of Youth" Demos (1980)
- -------------------------------
 1. Gravity Is My Enemy
 2. 1999
 3. Rhythm Of Youth
 4. Treblinka
 5. Ban The Game
 6. Living In China


"Rhythm Of Youth" Live (1983)
- ------------------------------
 1. The Safety Dance
 2. I Like
 3. Where Do The Boys Go?
 4. Ideas For Walls
 5. The Great Ones Remember
 6. Messiahs Die Young
 7. Freeways
 8. Security (Everybody Feels Better With)
 9. I Got The Message
10. Modern(e) Dancing
11. Things In My Life


"BBC Rock Hour" Live at Club Casino; Hampton Beach, New Hampshire
London Wavelength's Broadcast Week Of October 16, 1983
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------
 1. Intro
 2. Ideas For Walls
 3. Where Do The Boys Go?
 4. Safety Dance
 5. Mother's Opinion
 6. Security
 7. Modern(e) Dancing


"Folk Of The 80's, Part III" Rehearsals (1984)
- -----------------------------------------------
 1. Ou Sont Mes Men
 2. No Dancing
 3. Unsatisfaction
 4. Where Do The Boys Go?
 5. Mother's Opinion
 6. Editions Of You (Heavy Guitars Mix)
 7. Eurotheme
 8. Messiahs Die Young
 9. I Know Their Name
10. Folk Of The 80's
11. I Sing Last / Not For Tears
12. Editions Of You


"Freeways" EP (part 1 of 2; released 1985)
- -------------------------------------------
 1. Freeways (Euromix)


"Freeways" Live at 'Le Spectrum', Montreal (8 Aug 1985)
- --------------------------------------------------------
 1. Heaven
 2. I Know Their Name
 3. Antarctica
 4. Modern(e) Dancing
 5. I Sing Last, Not For Tears
 6. Jenny Wore Black
 7. Freeways
 8. Security (Everybody Feels Better With)
 9. Ban The Game
10. I Like
11. Editions Of You
12. The Safety Dance
13. I Got The Message
14. Where Do The Boys Go?


"Freeways" EP (part 2 of 2; released 1985)
- -------------------------------------------
 2. Freeways (Super 87)
 3. Freeways (Nationale 7)
 4. Freeways (Europa 8)


Remix Boni (released 1987/8)
- -----------------------------
 1. Pop Goes The World (Dance)
 2. Pop Goes The World (Extended)
 3. Pop Goes The World (Dub)
 4. Moonbeam (Extended)
 5. Moonbeam (Radio Edit)
 6. Moonbeam (Bach Alpella)
 7. Moonbeam (House Is A Home Mix)
 8. Moonbeam (Moose's Mac Mix)


The Ultimate "Studio" Out-Take (January 1983?)
- -----------------------------------------------
 1. Winnebago Song


"Live Ivan 1997"
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 20:18:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Question

Dave said:

>>keep the dumb animals in their pens

I don't know if I like that.




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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 20:23:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Where do the Boys Go?

Vince said:

>>Ivan meant that song to mean "Where does MWH go?"  (At the end of one
>>live
>>version of "WDTBG", Ivan says 'Where do we go?').  I think it's about
>>the
>>hectic touring the band did right after "Safety Dance" hit it big.


Agreed. Very good analysis.

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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 19:43:23 -0700
From: "Eric W. Soderblom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) RE: Rhythm of Youth

> OK, now leave me alone!!!!
> -Eric
>
> >Eric-
> >You are a stupid moron.
> >Nobody on the list likes Rhythm of Youth.  It is even
> >worse than PGTW.  I can't believe that you like it.
> >Get a life you dumb bastard!




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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 21:06:59 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Timothy RE Manners)
Subject: (hats) Where Do The Boys Go? 12" on vinyl available for trade

I have a 1984 Statik UK version of the Where Do The Boys Go? Extended
version.  B-Side is Eurotheme.

I want a CD-R copy of Fan CD 2 or 3

or

A copy of the video collection distributed last year.

Other offers encouraged!

Write to me directly at

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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 10:54:41 EDT
From: JDivito334 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Soooo Funny!

Hey, I hope you like the last messages,  it's fun to see Ivan's everywhere
eheheheh

Ciao

Francis


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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 10:54:42 EDT
From: JDivito334 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan's private show ---  Not too many people

Hey gang.

Further to all your comments, We will be 10 or 15 peoples for this show.  I
kept ALL your comments for the fact to get MWH show instead of getting Ivan
itself and I'm gonna give them to Ivan himself....

Ciao

Francis


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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 10:54:43 EDT
From: JDivito334 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan on TSN

I taped Ivan on TSN.....

He didn't talk a lot.  He talked about toppless girl and my wife found him
very stupid, so do I.

Ciao

Francis (the discourage man about mwh)



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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 10:54:40 EDT
From: JDivito334 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) IVAN LIVE at  LES AMAZONES STRIP JOIN

HEy

Don't miss Ivan getting some private dances from strippers

ahahahahahaah

PLUS, what kind of underwear Ivan is using.

And the final issue, Ivan has 2 hands and 2 feets... AWESOME

Francis


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