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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:44:08 EST
From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Marc

In a message dated 98-01-13 07:13:18 EST, [e-mail] writes:

>
>  Uh no!   Remember.  Marc IS the reason why we could never get ROY and FOLK,
>  Freeways mass produced on CD because he was greedy and held onto the
>  masters.  Marc is also the guy who Ivan hates.  Marc is the guy who tried
>  to RUIN Ivan in the early 80s.
>
>  And I'm sure that the list members agree that Marc is a bad guy.
>  You all have the right to know, that Mr. Somebody IS NOT Marc Durand, ok?
>
>  Tom
>  [e-mail]
>
uh....okie...:/

Charlotte


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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:08:59 +0000
From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Marc

Senz wrote:
>
> >You all have the right to know, that Mr. Somebody IS NOT Marc Durand, ok?
> >Tom
> A-ha!!!  "Somebody" is male (observe the use of "Mr.") and is not Marc
> Durand!!
> I believe that narrows it down to some 2,600,000,000 people!
> Keep trying hatters,  we'll solve this yet!     ;-)

It is nice to no we all have the "right" to know. What is strange is
that some seems to have more rights than others?

Wooldridge, Simon wrote:
>
> Why the big deal?  We have the Demos now, that this list has been trying
> to get hold since I first subscribed a couple of years ago.

Because I don't want to become accessory to a fraud. Is that good enough
for you? I have difficulty imagining a legit person wanting to stay
anonymous on something like that.

> Does it really matter who supplied them?

Oh boy! You mean, as long as you get what you want, you don't mind how
you get it???????

> I have my own idea who I would
> like to have made them available, and that`s what I'm sticking with.

???????? Santa Claus maybe ;o)

> Aside from the fact that we now know it wasn`t Marc Durand, it should
> remain a mystery.

Lets all go for ignorance.... he, I mean mystery...

Take care everybody

Claude


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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:21:30 -0500
From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Songs of Mystery

I think it's excellent having a mystery person instead of trying to figure
out who this person is.  It's a lot more fun that way :)  All we know is
it's some guy.  What if he's really a woman?  What if he's a master of
diguise? :D  So just enjoy it, have some fun.  But what's this talk about
fraud?  FRAUD?!  This is clearly not a case of fraud.  Come on, ya got the
songs, now enjoy 'em! :)

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:42:56 EST
From: Nikolai81 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Marc

In a message dated 98-01-13 07:13:18 EST, [e-mail] writes:

> Remember.  Marc IS the reason why we could never get ROY and FOLK,
>  Freeways mass produced on CD because he was greedy and held onto the
>  masters.  Marc is also the guy who Ivan hates.  Marc is the guy who tried
>  to RUIN Ivan in the early 80s.
>
>  And I'm sure that the list members agree that Marc is a bad guy.
>  You all have the right to know, that Mr. Somebody IS NOT Marc Durand, ok?

<<Spit-shining pitchfork>> He's got ROY and Folk masters? You know, I wouldn't
mind having at least Rhythm of Youth on CD rather than just vinyl. Anyone care
to join me in a little corrective surgery...?

                                                                   I'm coming,
Marc :>
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:42:03 -0800
From: "Kajjia Goria" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Messaqge bounce is at it again...

Quick question all, why do we care who Mr. Somebody is?  He is a great guy
> who is looking out for the welfare of us and MWH.  All we should do is
have
> Tom thank "Mr.""Somebody" for us and be done with it.  If s/he wanted
> themselves to be known, we'd know it!  So, lets all put away our pipes,
> overcoats, and fiddles and go back to our music!  Thank you, I've said my
> piece  -=).

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:51:53 -0700
From: "Senz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Somebody

>> Why the big deal?  We have the Demos now, that this list has been trying
>> to get hold since I first subscribed a couple of years ago.
>
>Because I don't want to become accessory to a fraud. Is that good enough
>for you? I have difficulty imagining a legit person wanting to stay
>anonymous on something like that.
>
>> Does it really matter who supplied them?
>
>Oh boy! You mean, as long as you get what you want, you don't mind how
>you get it???????
>

>
>Claude
>


Claude, us knowing who it is isn't going to change anything.  People are
still going to listen to the demos and be greatful there was a Mr. Somebody
even if he had to kill to get them.  People might not admit it openly, they
might wave a finger at Mr. S but they'll be listening to the demos while
doing it!  Gee, I guess he'd be like a modern day Robin Hood wouldn't he?
Anyway, it is possible that Mr. S has a good self asteem and just doesn't
need his fifteen minutes of fame.  This is what I suspect and I commend him
for that.  I also wish to thank Mr. N for the work he put into the demos.
They sound awesome Tom, you obviously know what your doing there!

Senz



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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:09:35 -0500 (EST)
From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Mr. Somebody

It was Leper, wasn't it?!!

Myke



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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:00:15 -0500
From: "Tom Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) info about Mr. S

Claude and other list members,
Just so you all don't worry that Mr. S has done something wrong,


"Somebody" wishes to remain anonymous only to collectors who would
pester "somebody" for more collectable stuff. "Somebody" has been
pestered for collectables from other bands too often and doesn't want
to deal with more.

Ivan had several direct opportunites to tell "somebody" not to give out
the demos and did not. (Not just in the recent chat session.)

I hope everyone is a little more at ease now.
Now lets get down to discussing how much we like all new stuff we have, ok?
This list should be jumping by now and its not.

Tom
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:37:17 -0500
From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) The Rhythm of Youth is...

I love the demos.  Especially the RpY demos because they sond sooo
different!  They kind of remind me of the Dr. Who theme!  I am not sure
which series of Dr. who but if it helps the one witht he "whirlpool" opening
:)  Hey, I was 5 when that show was on.

"Living in HCina" reminds me of Freeways. Well, the beginning.  I love the
guitars in it.  Being all screechy and loud. Perfect!

In all the RoY demos, it is interesting to hear Ivan's voice in a differnet
tone than what we all heard on his albums (the commanding deep voice and the
soft one on PGTW).  "Treblinka" is GREAT.   But "Rythm of Youth" has GOT to
be the outstanding of the RoY demos.  I wonder what he means by the rythm of
youth is the rhythm of life and vice versa? "1999" rocks, too.  I like the
melody Ivan sings in the verses.  Very playful and casual.  If that makes
any sense.

As for the Fot80s3 demos, it's great to hear the "ealry versions" of the
songs.  "Editions of You" is slower and, I do admit, it's very relaxing!!!
"Ou sont mes men" sounds like it would make it today!!!  (Ivan, use it in
your next album!!)  But it's tooooooo short!  any song that is shorter than
"Ban The Game".....

I love the demos.  There is some great stuff here.  The RoY demos remind me
of the Freeways EP and i always have to listen to it after I hear them!

Today I was lsitening to my 2for1 (thanks again Carl!) and it's better now!
I hear the differnce between the demos and the final versions.  You actually
hear the progression, the creative process, etc.  Love it!

Too bad music like that isn't made anymore.  I wonder if it's possible for
Men Without Hats to "get back together" (did they ever break up?) and record
this style again.  I know that isn't likely but hey, I wonder if it can be
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:43:48 -0600
From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
Subject: (hats) GEMM

To all:

FYI:---  the GEMM web site   www.gemm.com   lists quite a few MWH items
available from various dealers.  Check it out if you haven't already.

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:38:53 EST
From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Marc

In a message dated 98-01-13 15:16:17 EST, [e-mail] writes:

> > I have my own idea who I would
>  > like to have made them available, and that`s what I'm sticking with.
>
>  ???????? Santa Claus maybe ;o)
>
haaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaaa!!!!?!?!?!!!

l8r,
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:50:28 EST
From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) The Rhythm of Youth is...

In a message dated 98-01-13 22:37:09 EST, [e-mail] writes:

> Too bad music like that isn't made anymore.  I wonder if it's possible for
>  Men Without Hats to "get back together" (did they ever break up?) and
record
>  this style again.  I know that isn't likely but hey, I wonder if it can be
>  done? :)
>
>
???
i thought they were to start on some new stuff within this next year?
???

btw: any news yet on whether or not the summer concert is still being
negotiated???i really need to look into when i go up to montreal (i'm
DEFINATELY going), and knowing whether or not this is happening (as well as
WHEN!) will oh-so-much be  needed:)

- -C-


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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:42:24 EST
From: HarpiChick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Marc

In a message dated 98-01-13 16:08:49 EST, [e-mail] writes:

> > Remember.  Marc IS the reason why we could never get ROY and FOLK,
>  >  Freeways mass produced on CD because he was greedy and held onto the
>  >  masters.  Marc is also the guy who Ivan hates.  Marc is the guy who
tried
>  >  to RUIN Ivan in the early 80s.
>  >
>  >  And I'm sure that the list members agree that Marc is a bad guy.
>  >  You all have the right to know, that Mr. Somebody IS NOT Marc Durand,
ok?
>
>  <<Spit-shining pitchfork>> He's got ROY and Folk masters? You know, I
wouldn'
> t
>  mind having at least Rhythm of Youth on CD rather than just vinyl. Anyone
> care
>  to join me in a little corrective surgery...?
>
>                                                                     I'm
> coming,
>  Marc :>
>
> Nic
>
i got the rope, hon:)

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:10:30 -0800
From: "Russ Kemsley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Lost some email & disc #5

Hi all,

It has come to my attention that I have not been receiving email for the
last 3 or 4 days.

If you have sent me some mail that I should have replied to but haven't,
please resend it.

Also, if you want disc #5 let me know now...I'm about to wrap them up and
will most likely not offer them again unless there is a huge outcry. so let
me know now or forever hold your peace :)

- -Russ






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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:05:35 -0500 (EST)
From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) RoY Demos

Hey!

What's the full story surrounding the Roy demos?

"Gravity Is My Enemy", "1999", "Rhythm Of Youth", and "Treblinka"
to me don't sound like "working versions" but rather complete and
finished versions.  I think if the 4 tracks which were released as
the "Folk Of The 80s" EP had been put on Side One and the four
aforementioned "RoY Demo" tracks been placed on Side Two - the
eight of them together on one disc would have made one hell of
a mini-LP in 1980.

Furthermore, to me they don't sound like demos from the "Rhythm
of Youth" era.  They have a destinctive "Folk Of The 80's" EP
style and quality about them.  Does anybody have the approximagte
oops/ approximate recording month(s) and/or date(s) for them?
This makes me wonder why we're calling them the "RoY Demos" to
begin with.  Clearly the recording year given, 1980, supports
this view as well.

I think these four tracks are equal in every way to the four
tracks released as "Folk Of The 80's" in 1980.  Who kept them
from us for so long and why?  (Marc Durand because he was/is a
jerk?)

Myke


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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 05:06:19 PST
From: "Angela Tooley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Private Concert

Hi all!

Due to Montreal's state of emergency, our plans to talk with Ivan's
manager about the private concert is postponed until everything gets
back to normal!  Francis has it in his agenda to do so at a point in the
future.  He has tried several times to reach the manager by phone and
was unable to do so because often, the man's voice mailbox is filled to
capacity!  However,Francis has known the guy for years; I
beleive he worked with him at one time, and has spoken to him on the
phone and met him for lunch once to discuss what we list members would
like to propose.  Both Ivan's manager and Ivan himself are aware of our
plans.  We simply have to schedule a meeting and ask them to sign a
contract to book the date and work out the arrangements for
compensation.  Everything is rolling right along - it's just that with
Montreal covered in ice, things work a lot more slowly than they used
to!!
But don't worry - this concert is one of my biggest dreams and I will
continue to do all I can to make it come true, and I can say that
Francis feels the same way.  The ball is still rolling....


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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:35:37 +0000
From: Ralph Deiterding <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Somebody

Senz wrote:
>
> >> Why the big deal?  We have the Demos now, that this list has been trying
> >> to get hold since I first subscribed a couple of years ago.
> >
> >Because I don't want to become accessory to a fraud. Is that good enough
> >for you? I have difficulty imagining a legit person wanting to stay
> >anonymous on something like that.
> >
> >> Does it really matter who supplied them?
> >
> >Oh boy! You mean, as long as you get what you want, you don't mind how
> >you get it???????
> >
I think the point of the matter is that releasing these demos in this
unofficial way is likely going against contracts in place and thus
illegal, as are all boots.

Now personally, I don't have a problem with that, but if it was me I
wouldn't want my name splattered all over the place.  Thus my take on
why the name of the individual who supplied the demos is a secret is
because the are very legit!!

Ralph


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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:12:07 +0000
From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) CD bootleg Numbers

Can someone list what CD# is what CD? I have not been paying close
attention to what CD is what number so I am confused when somebody is
talking about CD #4, #5, #6, etc.

Thanks

- -Richard Holdman


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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:41:34 -0600
From: "Steve Reid" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Tapes...

Criminy, WHO CARES who supplied the tapes?  If you don't want to be party to
whatever imagined wrong, don't buy the CD.  I worked at a couple of
recording studios, and if I had wanted, I could have stolen and sold stuff
from Queensryche, Rush, and Genesis.  Even had I just given then to someone
to make boots, I certainly would not want anyone to know who I was.  Don't
buy the CD.

Cordially,
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:11:17 -0800 (PST)
From: D Krupla <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) CD bootleg Numbers

- ---Richard Holdman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>
> Can someone list what CD# is what CD? I have not been paying close
> attention to what CD is what number so I am confused when somebody is
> talking about CD #4, #5, #6, etc.

CD1--1983(?) RoY concert
CD2--Freeways
CD3--1985(?) Freeways concert
CD4--another RoY concert (the one on lp)
CD5--Roy / Folk3 demos
CD6 and up--Top-Secret Projects That May Be Under Development At A
High-Security Government Lab Near You.

Dave K
(Did I get the first three in the right order?
==
"With the rhythm of youth you have nothing to lose.

Cause the rhythm of youth is the rhythm of life
The rhythm of life is the rhythm of youth."

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:16:41 -0500
From: Candace Roberts <"[e-mail]"@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>
Subject: (hats) Japanese CDs for artists like Living In A Box

I was hoping to reach out on a limb and find someone on the list who
might be able to help.

I'm looking to obtain some music from Japan and the CDs are now out of
print, but I thought someone who might catch this message out there
might be able to help.

I'm looking for the Japanese CD release of:

Gatecrashing by Living In A Box (catalogue #CP32-5830)

and the 3"CD single for:

This I Swear by Richard Darbyshire (catalogue #TODP-2437)

These are just two items I'm looking for because (as always) the
Japanese release contains extra material.  If anyone out there can help
or help put me in touch with someone or store e-mail addresses, please
give me a hand.

Thanks so much
Gordon


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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:20:13 +0000
From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Tapes...

Steve Reid wrote:
>
> Criminy, WHO CARES who supplied the tapes?

Me (Claude Gregoire). Is it okay with you?

> If you don't want to be party to
> whatever imagined wrong, don't buy the CD.

I was not looking for advice, just seeking information before doing
something that could be wrong. Do you have a problem with that?

> I worked at a couple of
> recording studios, and if I had wanted, I could have stolen and sold stuff
> from Queensryche, Rush, and Genesis.  Even had I just given then to someone
> to make boots, I certainly would not want anyone to know who I was.

Hey! Exactly my point Steve. Crooks wants to stay anonymous...

> Don't buy the CD.

Why? It's not worth it?

Take care

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:30:53 +0000
From: Nicolas Roux <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) What? Quoi?

Hello guys! Just a quick one...

I remember that some of you couldn't understand emails that were written
in French.

Good news, try this:

http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/cgi-bin/translate?

Bye for now!    \       Nicolas Roux


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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:22:36 -0800
From: "Kajjia Goria" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) this is really tickin me off...

can someone raise the amnt of text that the domo will accept, this is gettin
annoying.  here is an old message that never got to ya'll
Amen!  I would just like to say that both of the new CDs I've gotten this
> past month (ROY/FOE3 & Demos) rule!  I listen to them constantly.  I just
> have a quick question...does anyone know if Ivan is going to release a new
> album in the next few weeks?  I have been hearing rumors and am starting
to
> get curious.  Also, I have a choice to buy either "The Spell" or "Pop Goes
> the World" - neither of which I have.  Which should I get?  Thanx all,
> special thanx to you know who, and I'll catch ya all latez.


Aaron Gitlin
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:52:02 +0000
From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) this is really tickin me off...

Hey Kajjia!

Kajjia Goria wrote:
>
> can someone raise the amnt of text that the domo will accept, this is gettin
> annoying.

What is the meaning of amnt? Maybe it is my bad english, but it seems
you always use plenty of words I don't understand (and are not in my
english dictionary!). How come?

Take care

Claude


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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:59:53 -0600
From: "Steve Reid" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) this is really tickin me off...

In my opinion, the Spell is weak compared to PGTW.  I'm sure there are other
opinions, though, Aaron.

Cordially,
Rush
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:30:20 -0600
From: "Steve Reid" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Tapes...

Claude, I not saying you're wrong about how you feel about the tapes.  I'm
saying it doesn't matter.  The CD's are out.  You can probably make a really
safe assumption that there are those who would prosecute the person who
released them to us.  At this point, you can either own a really kool part
of Mw/oH history, or you can continue with the Sherlock Holmes bit.  If you
do find out who it is, that will not change the validity of the source.
Cordially,
Rush
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:29:48 -0700 (MST)
From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) this is really tickin me off...

> can someone raise the amnt of text that the domo will accept, this is gettin
> annoying.

It's a lot less hassle for you to properly trim down quoted text from the
message you're repsonding to than it is for xmission to archive it and ship
around copies of it to hundreds of subscribers or for those hundreds of
subscribers to wade through it in your message.

- --
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:30:58 -0800
From: "Kajjia Goria" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MWH Quiz

Well, folks, its that time again.  I redid the quiz on my web page.  THis
time, It's a name that tune game.  D\L the wavs, guess the songs, submit to
me, and win.   catch ya all latez, and enjoy!

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:45:58 -0600 (CST)
From: "Woodrow W. Zenfell, III" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) RoY Demos

<< monster post warning >>

> From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
>
> "Gravity Is My Enemy", "1999", "Rhythm Of Youth", and "Treblinka"
> to me don't sound like "working versions" but rather complete and
> finished versions.

I'm no expert whatsoever on the music business, but it seems to me that it
would make sense for a demo to be a complete, finished version of a song
which is then submitted to someone for consideration.  Then, if they like
it, it gets touched up, changed, and rerecorded, under the producer's
supervision.  Thus I think it makes sense for these songs to be in the
state they're in: finished, but a little rough around the edges.

> Furthermore, to me they don't sound like demos from the "Rhythm
> of Youth" era.  They have a destinctive "Folk Of The 80's" EP
> style and quality about them.

It would seem to me that these tracks would have been recorded not long
after the Folk of the 80's EP, so again it would make sense that they
would sound similar.  Also I would speculate so far as to suggest that the
Folk of the 80's, being a small, low-budget release, didn't have much
"production" associated with it - so it would be pretty "pure" MwoH.  Same
goes with the demos.

I would think that the "RoY era" sound is this early MwoH pure sound, with
some production and a somewhat larger budget to throw around.  So I think
that's where the differences in "sound" between RoY and the "RoY demos"
comes from.

It's interesting, though, that only two of the "demo'd" tracks made it
onto the album, and one of them in such a radically different form.


Anyway, more generally, I have to say I've really enjoyed this newest
(old) CD.  The 4 new songs are all great (though I could do without the
violinist with the horrible intonation).  There is something about them
though that is very much like the FotE's tracks - Gravity is my Enemy with
Security seems to be the strongest correspondence in my mind.  So far 1999
and RoY have infected me a little more than Treblinka and Gravity...

This is something I wrote about when we got the Freeways EP CD#1 (or 3, or
2, or whatever number you want to call it), but again I find myself most
interested in how "pure", "simple", or "honest" the early stuff is... and
the earlier it is, the more "pure" it is.  And Ivan sounds so YOUNG!  :)

It's certainly interesting to hear the earlier versions of Living in
China and the FotE3 tracks, and what got changed/added/deleted.  I also
was amused by the dedication at the beginning of Unsatisfaction, and the
ironic implications therefrom about Ivan's current (ongoing) career.

I wouldn't trade the versions on this CD for the "real" released versions,
but it's fascinating and enjoyable to be able to hear both.  What's up
with the strange "offset beat" in the rehearsal No Dancing?  It sounds
really "wrong" to me but I haven't yet decided whether that's because it's
really strange or because I'm just so used to the released version.  I
also really enjoyed the rehearsal Where Do the Boys Go?.. it seemed to
have this raw energy and silliness that the released version has less of.
In particular it just sounds like they were having a good, goofy time
recording it.  Lots of fun to listen to.

As for other recent postings -

I would recommend Pop Goes the World muchso over The Spell.  Not that The
Spell is bad, but PGTW is really a must-have, and I'm surprised you've
survived this long without it :)

I recall also Ivan saying something about releasing some more stuff under
the Men Without Hats name.  This may be exciting, but remember that the
"old style" early MwoH we've been hearing lately in rereleases, demos,
etc. is a thing of the past - a phase of Ivan's musical evolution that
he's left behind.  Recall that the most recent thing we heard on the MwoH
name was Sideways, which was quite a disappointment to many (myself
included).  Shrug, like many of you, I'd love to hear new material in the
"old style", but I wouldn't count on it.. regardless of the name printed
on the upcoming label.

Well, there's my monster post for this quarter.. thanks for reading,
everyone :)

Woody (that guy whose college a capella group, The Amateurs, has performed
and recorded Ban the Game and Where Do the Boys Go?..) ( :) )



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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:55:45 EST
From: Nikolai81 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) The Rhythm of Youth is...

In a message dated 98-01-13 22:37:09 EST, you write:

> Too bad music like that isn't made anymore.  I wonder if it's possible for
>  Men Without Hats to "get back together" (did they ever break up?) and
record
>  this style again.  I know that isn't likely but hey, I wonder if it can be
>  done? :)

Yeah. Too many people say "time moves on. gotta keep up". Why drop a perfectly
good thing when you have it? What did Nirvana, Wu-tang or 311 ever do that
sounded remotely unique? Hats has variety and even a message in most songs
that people can actually relate to (Especially "The Great Ones" and
"Freeways"!)!

Also, what DID happen to the group? Is Collin still in that opera company in
NY?
I know Ivan is solo but didn't he have Stefan in "Sideways"? Hmm... It'd be
great if Hats could release their old albums. Even if they did it with live
performances ;)

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 18:27:25 EST
From: Nikolai81 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Tapes...

In a message dated 98-01-14 12:22:32 EST, [e-mail] writes:

> Steve Reid wrote:
>  >
>  > Criminy, WHO CARES who supplied the tapes?
>
>  Me (Claude Gregoire). Is it okay with you?

Guys! Please! It may be important to some people that they know who the person
is who supplied us ever so graciously with those tapes. Anybody who is curious
should just ask the guy who distributed them. If he still says he can't
release the name, badgering him won't make things better.

>  > If you don't want to be party to whatever imagined wrong, don't buy the
CD.

Right. That's just all you can do sometimes.

>
>  Hey! Exactly my point Steve. Crooks wants to stay anonymous...
>

He helped our cause, though. Is he that bad that we would dismiss his act of
kindness over something trivial like his (her?) name?

Besides, we're Hats fans! Who would want to mess with our little list, anyway?

"Communication is hard to maintain when the clothes that you're wearing are
hurting my eyes..."
- --Nick


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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:16:05 -0500 (EST)
From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Stefan in "Sideways"

Nick,

Not only did Ivan have Stefan in "Sideways", Stefan *produced* "Sideways"!

This Roman Meal Bakery thought you'd like to know.

:-)

Myke


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