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From: hats-owner@xmission.com
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Subject: hats Digest V2 #5
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hats Digest Sunday, 1 September 1996 Volume 02 : Number 005
In this issue:
"Original"
"Original"
Oglio Web Page
Videotape progress
Re: Videotape progress
MwH in Germany
List Move - Final Notice
Videotape Progress
Re: Videotape Progress
Re: hats Digest V2 #4
Re: hats Digest V2 #4
Re: hats Digest V2 #4
Re: hats Digest V2 #4
Video suggestions and some unrelated news
Re: Video suggestions and some unrelated news
Re: Videotape Progress
Re: Videotape progress
Re: Videotape Progress
Re: Videotape Progress
Re: Videotape progress
introduction and curiousity...
Hats poster for sale
Oglio MWH 2 for 1 News
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From: Grebssorg@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:31:49 -0400
Subject: "Original"
Listfolk,
I'm not sure the contention made here about there being only one "original"
form of an album is fair, and further I'm not even sure it can always be
applied.
As for the first item, fairness, who cares? We could argue that one all day.
I'm an American, and my first taste of _ROY_ was the US cassette version,
quite different from the Canadian album. Anyway....
More importantly: In this day and age, I don't know that one can always use
'first release' as a catch-all. What about a world-wide release on the same
day, with different tracks and sequencing in different countries? Japan, for
instance, often gets more tracks for their albums. And US CD's from UK bands
occasionally have one more track, or one less.
One might argue that the format of the release in the country of the band's
origin is the "original" format. But what if the band is far more successful
in another country? (Bush, for example, has sold 16,000 albums in its native
UK, 2 million in the US.) And what if the cassette and CD forms in the same
country have different tracklistings? (See Pink Floyd's _Pulse_, for
example.) Then which is the "original"?
And what about the country where the release is being made? Oglio is an
American company, not Canadian. One might argue that they have no reason to
follow a Canadian precedent. MHW's own country can't even get these albums
re-released, so why should their old format decisions dictate what the new
re-release should look like?
Just some food for thought....
I tried not to be rude or anything. If I offended Lazlo or Canadians or
anyone else, I apologize.
Swahili Steve
< http://members.aol.com/grebbsorg >
Now playing: _Alpha_ by Asia (...no, really!)
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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <lazlo@swcp.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 11:38:58 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: "Original"
> I'm not sure the contention made here about there being only one "original"
> form of an album is fair, and further I'm not even sure it can always be
> applied.
If you don't think my assertion applies generally, okay -- I don't think it
does either. I do think it applies quite well to this particular album,
though.
I don't like it when record companies alter the tracking on a reissue to
meet time contraints or serve some perceived marketing need in different
countries (as in: "Americans won't like this version, let's drop some
album tracks and stick on a couple of old singles"). It makes a lot more
sense to me that the twofer release duplicate the original Canadian
version of RoY than it does for Oglio to try to squeeze in what amounts to
a "bonus" track ("Antarctica") by using edits instead of LP versions or by
dropping other album tracks at random. The original (non-US) tracking of
RoY may not be how *you* first heard the album, but at least it's how
*some* people heard it. A tweaked tracking would have no claim to archival
legitimacy whatsoever.
Fortunately the question seems to be moot.
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From: Steve Jackson <jackson_s@synchrologic.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:20:58 -0400
Subject: Oglio Web Page
I don't recall anyone else mentioning this yet:
Oglio records has a web page now:
http://www.oglio.com/
complete with a front page link to the Men Without Hats homepage at MIT:
http://web.mit.edu/user/t/o/tobye/www/mwh/
I just wanted to pass this along...
Steve
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From: Thomas Norman <tnorman@netwalk.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 15:30:58 -0500
Subject: Videotape progress
Hi All,
I have just received Senz's "In the 21st Century" and "Hey Men" videos.
They play perfectly on my (player) VCR! Looks like 1st or 2nd generation
for sure!
Here's what we've got now: Safety Dance
I Like
Pop Goes The World
In The 21st Century
Hey Men
Here's what we need: Moonbeam
WDTBG
Sideways
extras? (MM Spotlight, live etc.)
I realize some of the videos are en route, but I wanted everyone to know
what we've got today, Friday.
Keep the footage coming.....
Tom
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From: Tony Gale <donato@halcyon.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 20:30:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Videotape progress
On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, Thomas Norman wrote:
> Hi All,
> I have just received Senz's "In the 21st Century" and "Hey Men" videos.
> They play perfectly on my (player) VCR! Looks like 1st or 2nd generation
> for sure!
>
> Here's what we've got now: Safety Dance
> I Like
> Pop Goes The World
> In The 21st Century
> Hey Men
>
> Here's what we need: Moonbeam
> WDTBG
> Sideways
>
> extras? (MM Spotlight, live etc.)
>
> I realize some of the videos are en route, but I wanted everyone to know
> what we've got today, Friday.
> Keep the footage coming.....
> Tom
> tnorman@mail.netwalk.com
>
>
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I have a very brief segment of Ivan saying "Hi, this is Ivan from that
band Men Without Hats". From a Good Rockin' Tonite special. If you are
intersested let me know. I am very interested in the video as well.
thanx
TDG "It's because I chatter that I do nothing.
Or perhaps it is that I chatter because I do nothing."
F. Dostoevsky
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From: barnard@forge.franken.de (Henning Schmiedehausen)
Date: 26 Aug 1996 01:29:10 +0200
Subject: MwH in Germany
I was in a bigger record store (W.O.M. in Nueremberg) on saturday and
while browsing through the MwH section I found the Collection CD. So
it seems to have it made to Germany... They also had the other three
'available' MwH CDs (Adventures, Pop and Sideways). Quite expensive
($25) though.
I also found the Weird Al CD 'In 3D' with the 'Brady Bunch' on
it. Quite cool but too expensive ($30, ouch).
Ciao
Henning
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letting air out of car tires? -- Melissa Rogers
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From: hats@cs.uwp.edu (hats mailing list)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 12:54:39 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: List Move - Final Notice
Really-From: "Lazlo Nibble" <lazlo@swcp.com>
I've given David Datta the final go-ahead to shut down the versions of these
lists that live at cs.uwp.edu. If you have not yet moved over to the versions
of the lists at xmission.com, please do so immediately.
For detailed instructions on joining the new versions of the lists, visit
http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Lists
(If you came in late, these lists are moving from cs.uwp.edu to xmission.com
because cs.uwp.edu is going to be shut down soon.)
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From: Thomas Norman <tnorman@netwalk.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:16:40 -0500
Subject: Videotape Progress
Good News! The tape is almost complete!
We now have :
1. Safety Dance
2. I Like
3. Pop Goes The World
4. Moonbeam (not the greatest quality)
5. In The 21st Century
6. Hey Men
7. Record Guide episode hosted by IVAN on MWH from
around '88
We need:
1. Where Do The Boys Go?
2. Sideways
3. spotlight from Much Music or Musique Plus????
cheers,
Tom
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From: BDay0000@aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 21:44:58 -0400
Subject: Re: Videotape Progress
Tom,
Count me in for a Video, please guy!!!!!! Hey, how about a naming contest?
Brad Day
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From: Grebssorg@aol.com
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 17:56:15 -0400
Subject: Re: hats Digest V2 #4
I got hats-digest V2 #4 last Thursday, and haven't received anything since.
Is there a systemic problem, or am I the only lucky one?
- -Swahili Steve
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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <lazlo@swcp.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:24:57 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: Re: hats Digest V2 #4
> I got hats-digest V2 #4 last Thursday, and haven't received anything since.
> Is there a systemic problem, or am I the only lucky one?
The hats list is very low traffic at the moment, so it takes a long time
between digests.
I'll look into forcing it to send one out each day no matter how small.
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From: "Hiram Lester Jr." <hwlester@pobox.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 00:05:12 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: hats Digest V2 #4
On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, Lazlo Nibble wrote:
> The hats list is very low traffic at the moment, so it takes a long time
> between digests.
>
> I'll look into forcing it to send one out each day no matter how small.
What is happening to the list archives with the move to a new machine?
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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <lazlo@swcp.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:08:12 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: Re: hats Digest V2 #4
>> The hats list is very low traffic at the moment, so it takes a long time
>> between digests.
>>
>> I'll look into forcing it to send one out each day no matter how small.
>
> What is happening to the list archives with the move to a new machine?
I'm moving the old uwp archives to xmission as time permits. I imagine
that they'll remain available on archive(s).uwp.edu as well.
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From: dstroud@arwen-143.Eng.Sun.COM (Donald Stroud)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 11:09:15 -0700
Subject: Video suggestions and some unrelated news
I don't have the clip I'm about to mention, but I remember it vividly.
Ivan and (I believe) Stefan were interviewed on MTV right as "Safety
Dance" was becoming popular. Ivan explained the "S" arm gesture from
the video to the veejay interviewer (I believe it was Mark Goodman).
Ivan was soft-spoken and bright. I remember being impressed by him,
which added to my enjoyment of "Safety Dance" even more.
Does anyone have any idea of how to find this interview? It would be
such a great addition to the already wonderful video we've got
brewing...
Don2
dstroud@captaina.Eng.Sun.com
P.S. 80s MUSIC FANS: For any fans of Ebn-Ozn, I heard from Ebn himself
that, after 12 years, "Feeling Cavalier" may *finally* be
released on CD. More as it develops...
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From: Thomas Norman <tnorman@netwalk.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 13:59:03 -0500
Subject: Re: Video suggestions and some unrelated news
>I don't have the clip I'm about to mention, but I remember it vividly.
>
>Ivan and (I believe) Stefan were interviewed on MTV right as "Safety
>Dance" was becoming popular. Ivan explained the "S" arm gesture from
>the video to the veejay interviewer (I believe it was Mark Goodman).
>Ivan was soft-spoken and bright. I remember being impressed by him,
>which added to my enjoyment of "Safety Dance" even more.
>
>Does anyone have any idea of how to find this interview? It would be
>such a great addition to the already wonderful video we've got
>brewing...
Don, this would be a real gem! But I don't think anyone has this.
>
>Don2
>dstroud@captaina.Eng.Sun.com
>P.S. 80s MUSIC FANS: For any fans of Ebn-Ozn, I heard from Ebn himself
> that, after 12 years, "Feeling Cavalier" may *finally* be
> released on CD. More as it develops...
I want this CD!!!!
tnorman@mail.netwalk.com
Tom
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From: Thomas Norman <tnorman@netwalk.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 14:03:20 -0500
Subject: Re: Videotape Progress
At 09:44 PM 8/26/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Tom,
>
>Count me in for a Video, please guy!!!!!! Hey, how about a naming contest?
>
>Brad Day
>
You bet, Brad! Its gonna be a couple more weeks before I get all the master
tapes , though. Don't send me a check for a bit longer. I'll make an
anouncement on the list when I'm ready to begin recording. Its gonna take a
while, too. I'm recording every tape individually from all the seperate
master vids, for the best possible picture quality. You won't be
dissatisfied, I promise. But everyone on this list will get a tape that
wants one. I won't send the masters back until we all have a copy.
Tom
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From: Thomas Norman <tnorman@netwalk.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 14:05:35 -0500
Subject: Re: Videotape progress
At 08:30 PM 8/23/96 -0700, you wrote:
>On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, Thomas Norman wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>> I have just received Senz's "In the 21st Century" and "Hey Men" videos.
>> They play perfectly on my (player) VCR! Looks like 1st or 2nd generation
>> for sure!
>>
>> Here's what we've got now: Safety Dance
>> I Like
>> Pop Goes The World
>> In The 21st Century
>> Hey Men
> >
>> Here's what we need: Moonbeam
>> WDTBG
>> Sideways
>>
>> extras? (MM Spotlight, live etc.)
>>
>> I realize some of the videos are en route, but I wanted everyone to know
>> what we've got today, Friday.
>> Keep the footage coming.....
>> Tom
>> tnorman@mail.netwalk.com
>>
>>
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>I have a very brief segment of Ivan saying "Hi, this is Ivan from that
>band Men Without Hats". From a Good Rockin' Tonite special. If you are
>intersested let me know. I am very interested in the video as well.
>thanx
> TDG "It's because I chatter that I do nothing.
>Or perhaps it is that I chatter because I do nothing."
> F. Dostoevsky
Is it under one minute?
Maybe its not worth the trouble.
Tom
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From: Michael Watters <mwatters@Botany.UBC.CA>
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 96 16:18:23 -0700
Subject: Re: Videotape Progress
Almost forgot...
Sometime very soon I should be getting the following you might also like:
WALL OF VOODOO-American Bandstand 1983 (10 min)
WALL OF VOODOO-MV3 (local L.A. show) 1983 (10 min)
WALL OF VOODOO-Mex Radio We're Dancing TV show (10 min)
WALL OF VOODOO-Cutting edge mtv 1982 callbox & crack the bell (10m)
WALL OF VOODOO-Andy Prieboy and Chas interviews (5 min)
WALL OF VOODOO-Far Side of Crazy video & mtv interview (5 min)
WALL OF VOODOO-Do It Again (extended video version) 5+min
WALL OF VOODOO-Mex Radio livein Atlanta (5 min)
WALL OF VOODOO-live in San Juan Capistrano 1986 (15 min)
PRIEBOY,ANDY-videos interviews (30 min)
If you wanna delay things a little I can add that to our trade easily.
mike
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From: Michael Watters <mwatters@Botany.UBC.CA>
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 96 16:28:33 -0700
Subject: Re: Videotape Progress
Sorry about that folks...
As you've undoubtedly figured out, that note was intended for someone else... nevermind.
mike
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From: Tony Gale <donato@halcyon.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:51:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Videotape progress
On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, Thomas Norman wrote:
> At 08:30 PM 8/23/96 -0700, you wrote: >On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, Thomas
> Norman wrote: > >> Hi All, >> I have just received Senz's "In the 21st
> Century" and "Hey Men" videos. >> They play perfectly on my (player)
> VCR! Looks like 1st or 2nd generation >> for sure! >> >> Here's what
> we've got now: Safety Dance >> I Like >> Pop Goes The World >> In The
> 21st Century >> Hey Men > > >> Here's what we need: Moonbeam >> WDTBG
> >> Sideways >> >> extras? (MM Spotlight, live etc.) >> >> I realize
> some of the videos are en route, but I wanted everyone to know >> what
> we've got today, Friday. >> Keep the footage coming..... >> Tom >>
> tnorman@mail.netwalk.com >> >> >> # Need help using (or leaving) this
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> message. >> >I have a very brief segment of Ivan saying "Hi, this is
> Ivan from that >band Men Without Hats". From a Good Rockin' Tonite
> special. If you are >intersested let me know. I am very interested in
> the video as well. >thanx > TDG "It's because I chatter that I do
> nothing. >Or perhaps it is that I chatter because I do nothing." > F.
> Dostoevsky Is it under one minute? Maybe its not worth the trouble.
> Tom tnorman@mail.netwalk.com
>
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Way under a minute but its cool
TDG
"It's because I chatter that I do nothing.
Or perhaps it is that I chatter because I do nothing."
F. Dostoevsky
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From: Laurel <laurelp@unix2.sihope.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 10:49:30 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: introduction and curiousity...
Hi. My name is Laurel Palmer and I am a big MWH fan. I suppose that
goes without saying being as I am subscribed to this list.
Just curious to see if there is anyone out there...
Laurel
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From: heidi@bronze.lcs.mit.edu (Heidi)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 14:13:34 -0400
Subject: Hats poster for sale
I have a poster of Hats on stage from a ROY concert that I'd like to
sell. I don't remember what I paid for it, so if you're interested in
it, just make me an offer. I don't how much postage will be or the cost
of a poster tube yet, so figure that's extra and I'll find out during
the week. If you're interested reply to me at heidi@world.std.com, not
the whole list. (no that's not a typo, it's just a different address
then the one I read the list on.)
=}{=
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From: Carl <info@oglio.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 20:28:12 +0000
Subject: Oglio MWH 2 for 1 News
I just love to play good news-bad news with you guys. ;-)
GOOD NEWS: The MWH Roy/Folk 2 for 1 will be released during the next six
months.
BAD NEWS: We were unable to reach a compromise with the US licensor for
the US territory. The CD will likely first appear in Europe or another
overseas country.
Details have yet to be determined but the tracks will most likely
include those already discussed. Packaging will be similar to our
previous 2for1 series releases.
For those of us in the US and Canada we will have to rely on friends
outside North America for our copies for now.
I know it sucks. I tried to work for a worldwide release but it is just
not meant to happen. This is the first public announcement. Tell your
friends! :-)
Carl @ Oglio Records
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