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From: Dave Mattingly <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) T-Shirts
Date: 01 Jul 1997 13:13:04 -0400


>Anyway, just a quick nose count - who might want a T-shirt?  White,
with
>the red & balck MWH logo on front, and on back, in black "You can dance
>if you want to" and "[e-mail]."  Does that sound OK?

The logo and motto sound great, but I think I'd prefer a yellow T-shirt,
like the one the dwarf wore in the Safety Dance video.

Especially if we're going to put a Safety Dance lyric on the back, I
think it should be yellow. A white shirt with the hats logo would make
me think of Folk part 3 instead of Rhythm of Youth.

Dave Mattingly
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From: John Kriens <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) T-shirt design
Date: 01 Jul 1997 14:18:53 -0400


The Men w/o Hats T-shirt I'd most like to have would be an
orangish-yellow shirt with the RoY front cover on the front, or, at the
very least, the logo and the Men w/o Hats name in the style of that
cover.

Although "You can dance if you want to" would be the most immediately
recognizable lyric to put on there, I'd prefer something that was a
little more obscure--something only another fan is likely to recognize,
but which would sound cool to anyone.  Unfortunately nothing real good
springs immediately to mind.  "The Great Ones remember."  "Imagine
yourself on the verge of committing an act that you've always found
silly or strange."

-John
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From: Dave Mattingly <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (hats) T-shirt design
Date: 01 Jul 1997 15:21:37 -0400


    >Although "You can dance if you want to" would be the most
immediately
    >recognizable lyric to put on there, I'd prefer something that
was a
    >little more obscure--something only another fan is likely to
recognize,
    >but which would sound cool to anyone.

    How about "We can dress real neat from our hats to our feet"

    Dave Mattingly



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From: KGB <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) T-shirt design
Date: 01 Jul 1997 13:02:45 -0700


** We walk around in circles singing "Uh-oh" **

                   -or-

** What happened to Tony? **

         (now that's pretty obscure)

I agree that the colour would be more faithful as Yellow/Orange, but I
think the White would be much sharper looking.  Sounds like something
that could be optional without affecting the cost of the order.

Kahlil Breithaupt


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From: KGB <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Safety Dance - lounge version
Date: 01 Jul 1997 13:47:56 -0700


Just picked up an album sampler from a new cd called "cocktail: shakin'
and stirred" by Jaymz Bee and the Royal Jelly Orchestra.  And I gotta
tell ya the version of Safety Dance is just wonderful.  If you like
lounge music at all I think you'll appreciate this as a very strong
production in it's own right, but if you detest lounge I think you'd
still get a kick out of this version anyway.

One of the other tracks that is hilarious is a rendition of the
overrated Allanis Morrisette song "You Oughta Know".  The sampler
version is bleeped at the right spot which I think makes it even funnier
than if it weren't censored (it's labeled "Safe Mix").

I may check out the album should a used copy appear somewhere, but I got
what I wanted from it on this single.

Anyway, hope this info is useful.


Kahlil Breithaupt.


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From: Dave Mattingly <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (hats) Safety Dance - lounge version
Date: 01 Jul 1997 16:49:57 -0400


If you can make a .wav file from it, I can put it on the web for
everyone to hear...

Dave Mattingly



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From: "Thomas Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Hats shirt
Date: 01 Jul 1997 16:54:42 -0400


Laura,
Count me in on the shirt.   In my opinion, You should give the T-shirt
maker your ORIGINAL ROY concert shirt and tell them to make it exactly like
the original.   Why make a shirt that is anything different?  I am talking
about the ROY tour shirt that the dwarf wore in Safety Dance, that just
says "Rhythm of Youth Tour" on the back.
      I just don't want to wear something with a reference to "safety
dance" on the shirt.   We want the non-fans to think that there IS more to
Men Without Hats than that silly song.  That song has created a bad image
for the band, a "one hit wonder" band.   We want our shirt to say , Men
Without Hats is more than just Safety Dance.  This is just my opinion.
      Tom
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) T-Shirts
Date: 01 Jul 1997 17:30:41 -0400 (EDT)


In a message dated 97-07-01 13:57:39 EDT, you write:

<< >the red & balck MWH logo on front, and on back, in black "You can dance
 >if you want to" and "[e-mail]."  Does that sound OK?  >>

count me in for a t-shirt, the colors are fine, but I would like something
other than the safety dance lyrics, because everybody and their mother knows
that song, so I suggest one of the following:
 "Jenny had a vision....."

"take it away erm-ways...", maybe to obscure for the outside world

"and everything was groovy...."

"Here's to you...sideways"

just some suggestions, I feel that what is on the back of the shirt should be
recognizable just devoted MWH fans, thats just my opinion....

Peace, [e-mail]
"I had a dream where everybody looked like someone else....:"


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Sustacek)
Subject: (hats) seconding a shirt idea
Date: 02 Jul 1997 01:10:20 -0500 (CDT)


   Count me in on the t-shirt!  Emphatically, if at all possible!
   I agree with Tom Norman's idea - the original ROY shirt with "Rhythm of
Youth Tour" printed on it.  That way we don't have to argue over what lyric
to put on. Personally, I couldn't decide on just one lyric anyway.

Jim Sustacek
"Well, you're not a plate of croissants."



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From: "Eric W. Soderblom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) T-shirts (surprise)
Date: 02 Jul 1997 00:08:42 -0700


Hey,
Am I the only one who is excited about the shirt the way it is???  I =
think it sounds awesome.  And as far as the idea of the shirt being =
yellow & orange?!?!?  I would like to wear mine in public.

Eric (not shirtless for long) Soderblom
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) T-Shirts
Date: 02 Jul 1997 09:12:30 -0400 (EDT)


I'll take a t-shirt. XL, thanks!
-Andrew Pepoy



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From: James Kramer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) t-shirts - might be a duplicate post
Date: 02 Jul 1997 17:27:01 -0700


Hi all!

I'm having trouble with my email, so this might be a duplicate post.
Sorry if it is.

When I originally suggested getting T-shirts (April 21), I made a few
suggestions for what could go on the back, and solicitied opinions
and
other ideas.  I think a grand total of 3 people made any comment at
all,
and the consensus of this stunning minority was what I presented
yesterday.

I can't have them copy my ROY shirt *exactly* because of legalities,
so
the back can't say "Rhythm of Youth Tour."  Why would we want it to
say
that anyway?  That was 1983, and would propogate the myth that MWH
fell
off the face of the earth shortly thereafter.

Based on the discussion, the possibilities for the back are:

1.  Nothing

2.  email only:  [e-mail]

3.  Lyric only (compromising between the "let's be really obscure so
only people who are already interested in MWH will ever understand"
crowd and the "let's see if we can catch someone's attention and
perhaps
start a meaningful dialogue about the artistry of MWH" crowd)
  a.  The great ones remember
  b.  We walked around in circles singing
  c.  Here's to you ... sideways
  d.  See things you've never seen (or remember)

4.  email and lyric from above list

Right now I'm leaning towards email address and lyric D.

AND IT WILL NOT BE YELLOW OR ORANGE.  I would like to wear one
without
looking like a very large citrus fruit, thank you very much.

If this goes on for too long, the shirts will never get done.  I
guess
it boils down to this: you can trust my judgement to come up with a
nice
T-shirt and get one of them, or not (to both clauses).  Sorry if this
sounds snotty.

I'll be working at home all day today, and might go to the office
tomorrow (depending how Jim is feeling), so if you respond privately
tomorrow, send to both addresses.  Remember, my appointment with the
T-Shirt people is at 5:15 tomorrow.

Hatlessly, but not shirtlessly for long...
:-) Laura



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From: Joern Haase <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Safety Dance - lounge version
Date: 02 Jul 1997 14:00:17 -0700


Hy Dave!

> If you can make a .wav file from it, I can put it on the web for
> everyone to hear...

I would prefer an .mp3 file, 'cause it is much smaller.. But most of the
people here do not like this way of spreading music. (BTW:
ducttape.deeznuts.com has a long and slow version of PGTW. Never heard
THAT before...)

Let me know, if you find any rare stuff...

joern



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From: "Anthonetta Nel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) HATS T-SHIRT
Date: 02 Jul 1997 16:28:21 GMT+2


Count me in for a T-Shirt.
I'll prefer a black or white T-Shirt.

Any words would do!
As long as it will show that I am indeed a Men Without Hats Fan!!!

Anthonetta Nel
Equipment Engineer
[e-mail]
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]


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From: John Kriens <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) T-Shirt quote
Date: 02 Jul 1997 11:21:40 -0400


Quote:
"You want a room with a view
You need ideas for walls."

Color:  I've got a concert shirt from the band Ed's Redeeming Qualities
that's about the color of the RoY cover, and the color works really
well.  I don't think that it's a color that would be readily identified
with fruit, but what do I know?  I think that the color would be
distinctive than the normal plain white or black concert shirts you
always see.

I just want to make it clear that I'm going to be okay with just about
any T-shirt design--I just wanted to throw out some ideas (even though
it is way after the fact of the initial discussion).

-John
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From: Dave Mattingly <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (hats) T-Shirt quote
Date: 02 Jul 1997 11:35:43 -0400


    >Color:  I've got a concert shirt from the band Ed's Redeeming
Qualities
> >that's about the color of the RoY cover, and the color works really
>
> Which shirt is that? The only ERQ shirts I have (Safe World, Big
> Grapefruit) are white.
>
> I didn't realize we had other ERQ fans on the list. For anyone
> interested in finding out about another truly distinctive band, check
> out my Ed's Redeeming Qualities home page at
> http://www.geocities.com/soho/5953/erq.html
>
> Dave Mattingly


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From: Marty McKolskey <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Safety Dance - lounge version
Date: 02 Jul 1997 08:46:13 -0700 (PDT)



FYI:

Jaymz Bee is formerly of the Look People, a crazy comedy band also from
Canada; the band used to have five members, and as a reference point,
the most normal (by far) of the five was Kevin Hearn, now with the
Barenaked Ladies (keyboardist part II)....

</marty>



---KGB <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>
> Just picked up an album sampler from a new cd called "cocktail:
shakin'
> and stirred" by Jaymz Bee and the Royal Jelly Orchestra.  And I gotta
> tell ya the version of Safety Dance is just wonderful.
> Anyway, hope this info is useful.
>
>
> Kahlil Breithaupt.
>
>
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From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) T-shirt
Date: 02 Jul 1997 18:56:54 +0100


Right - my 10 cents worth!  A white t-shirt could be viewed as being a
bit boring though wasn't one of the albums white with the hats logo on
it?  Yellow would clash with my studio walls so thats a definite
option!!!  Sizes - I thought they only came in extra large (as long as
they are extra large and not medium or summink...)...

As for the actual design - I'm in favour of the simple hats logo on the
front - as big as it'll go!  Its surprising how many people remember the
logo without having to mention the bands name...  The back - simply
"[e-mail]" in big print? People are more inclined to wonder what
it means if they see it and actually ask - I've noticed it with a couple
I made for a friends web page.

I'm up for at least 2, though probably more if it'll mean they get
cheaper for everyone...

Err... whats left?  Had a choice of The Spell or Depeche's new CD in the
car on the way home from work tonight - sad to say I chose Depeche   :-(
 probably cos I had ivan on all afternoon!!!  :-)


l8r

moose (aka mike?)

PS  whats going on bonehead???


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From: Thomas Ullrich <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Mitsou - what sound?
Date: 02 Jul 1997 21:46:02 +0200


Hi everybody!

Can anybody tell me something about the sound of MITSOU (written
correctly?)? Nothing available anymore in Germany!

Can it be compaired to any titles of the new IVAN album 'THE SPELL'?

I remember to have read on this list that this project was produced by
IVAN...

Thomas


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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ideas...
Date: 02 Jul 1997 21:08:55 -0400 (EDT)


A great big T on a shirt.



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From: "Denny Garbuio" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Mitsou - what sound?
Date: 01 Jul 1997 04:02:41 -0700


> Can anybody tell me something about the sound of MITSOU (written
> correctly?)? Nothing available anymore in Germany!

Mitsou is a French Canadian singer who started off singing great french pop
songs. I really liked her style and she was very cute. I met her once at a
record signing and she is a doll. A few fab releases from the album El
Mundo include BYE BYE MON COWBOY and LES CHINOIS. Check out the fab Shep
Pettibone remix of the former!!

For her second album, she worked with Ivan and produced a few songs I
really liked, but the overall flavour of the album was more mature, and
frankly not as fun. It spawned a few good singles, notable DIS-MOI DIS-MOI
and LETRE A UN COWBOY. The album is called Terre Des Hommes.

The third and fourth albums were re-releases with a few new tracks and
remixes. The US version is a best-of of sorts. I have this as well. The Cdn
version is somewhat similar. It contains DEEP KISS and HEADING WEST (my
friend thought she was singing "My hair's a mess!". A few french songs and
MItsou's attempt to sing English--she isn't very good at it either!

The fifth album I sold cause I thought it was just terrible!! Mitsou does
not sound very good singing in English and I think she should stick to
singing french! It contains the track EVERYBODY SAY LOVE written by RuPual!

The sixth all french album is called YA YA and captures some of the fun
that made Mitsou likeable. However, this album falls short of anything all
that captivating. It contains the great tracks C'EST CHAUD and COMME J'AI
TOUJOURS ENVIE D'AIMER.

I hope all this info is correct as it is all from memory.

Mitsou did have some great videos however, of which there is a vid
collection available. She is often described as the Cdn Madonna. You can
spot her in the new Ivan video as well!

Cheers!

Denny


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From: "Denny Garbuio" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Ideas...
Date: 01 Jul 1997 04:05:14 -0700


>
> A great big T on a shirt.

WHAT THE HECK DOES THE GREAT BIG T MEAN????


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From: "William Black" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) T-Shirt idea
Date: 03 Jul 1997 04:01:10 UT


How about the MWH logo on the front and a listing of the album/CD names on the
back:

        Folk of the 80's Part I
        Rhythm of Youth
        Folk of the 80's Part III
        Pop Goes the World
        In the 21st Century
        Sideways
        The Spell

    we can dance if we want to...

Bill


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From: "Eric W. Soderblom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) T-Shirts (surprised???)
Date: 02 Jul 1997 22:32:12 -0700


As long as we're not worried about excessive text on the back on the =
t-shirts, I suggest we list ALL hats lyrics, bios on all members of the =
band, and the names of all the cities that Ivan has visited.
Eric

>How about the MWH logo on the front and a listing of the album/CD names =
on >the=20
>back:

    >    Folk of the 80's Part I
    >    Rhythm of Youth
    >    Folk of the 80's Part III
    >    Pop Goes the World
    >    In the 21st Century
    >    Sideways
    >    The Spell

    >we can dance if we want to...

>Bill




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From: "Denny Garbuio" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) T-Shirts (surprised???)
Date: 01 Jul 1997 08:39:37 -0700


This is ridiculous!

I cannot believe how much bloody email I have received regarding this
t-shirt! I thought this mailing list would be a little more informative,
and sadly, I have posted several messages in the past requesting answers
and trying to spur discussion on MWH topics. Unfortunately, no one but one
person was nice enough to give me any help or details.

It is for these reasons I am removing myself from the list. Thanks to the
one special person who gave me the info about the 3CD offer and 2ferCD.

Still a fan...

Denny

PS As a design student, I truly think the best idea was for the yellow
t-shirt with the logo on the front (yellow is hip and modern and there are
enough balck and white t-shirts out there), with either the email address
on the back, or the lyric "The Great Ones Remember". My final 2 cents worth
if anyone ever bothered to listen.

Cheers and good luck.



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From: Josefsson Per-Johan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) t-shirts - might be a duplicate post
Date: 03 Jul 1997 09:15:51 +0200


Hi!

I'd like to order 2 T shirts.
I vote for alt 4 with lyric A.
Dont even know from which song lyric D is...

/PJ.

PS Credits to Laura for doing so much for us other fans.

PS2 We all probably dont agree with Denny that the T shirt making is not
worth discussing, so please dont make another discussion about that.


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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) I saw Ivan's video!!!
Date: 03 Jul 1997 10:24:20 -0400


A few hours ago I saw (and taped) Ivan's video.  I was waiting for this
moment--what would the video for "Open Your eyes" be like?  Well, I was a
little
surprised.  Ivan just sitting there singign to a fast song.  Doesn't really
fit, but the rest of the video-the fast clips do.  Love the Men Without Hats
logo on the turntable!! And I like how Mitsou was in it!  Still beautiful as
ever--what is she doing now?  Is she still singing?  Last I heard she owns a
Pizzadelic in Montreal?  Can anyone tell me what she is up to? Francis (new
father yet?)?  Claude?

Anyone know (if) what Ivan's next single will be?






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Subject: (hats) T-shirt thread
Date: 03 Jul 1997 09:29:32 -0500 (CDT)


>PS2 We all probably dont agree with Denny that the T shirt making is not
>worth discussing, so please dont make another discussion about that.

I like how he complained about it, then discussed it himself. Now
that he's gone lets get back to discussing important stuff. :)

Doug

p.s. Does anyone have any good ideas for walls?


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From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) I saw Ivan's video!!!
Date: 03 Jul 1997 12:25:18 -0500


Daniele Rossi wrote:
>=20
> What is Mitsou doing now?  Is she still singing?  Last I heard she owns=
 a
> Pizzadelic in Montreal?  Can anyone tell me what she is up to? Francis =
(new
> father yet?)?  Claude?
>=20
Okay, I'll say this once (so listen). Please, stop talking or asking
about Mitsou!!!!!!!! Here, in her home town, she is considered as some
kind of Pamela Anderson. What she does musically is NOT INTERESTING. She
doesn't know how to sing, the sound of her voice is not great. Mitsou
was always thinked in terms of being a marketable product. There's
nothing more to it, period. She has some "interesting" physical features
(if you're into the silicone variety) and she knew how to make good use
of them. She loves being featured in cheap tablo=EFds (I think that part
of the job was more important to her than the singing part). So you see,
for me Mitsou is very far from Ivan. She represents everything I dislike
in this business. Ivan refused to perform on Solid Gold. Mitsou would
have pay the big price to make it on that program (do you get the
picture?). Now, don't get me wrong. I have nothing personal against
Mitsou. She is a very intelligent person and very nice to talk to (she's
not pretentious or some stupid air-head). She started a production
company with her actual boy-friend (a musician) and she's very good at
handling negotiations and stuff like that.

Finally. about this list. I know that fans are usually that kind of
people who wants to know the color of the new t-shirt of their idol and
all those trivial details. That's not my cup of tea. I love to get
informations (concert dates, obscure recordings, details on interviews),
but I'm mainly interested in sharing ideas, opinions with peoples who
happens to have some interests in common with me (like a mutual love for
a musical band). When some peoples (I think it was one guy actually) are
frustrated because I am sharing some opinions on the validity of Trans-X
versus Men Without Hats, arguing they feel obliged to read all the
messages by fear of missing important information, it makes me wander...
Perhaps we should precede all those annoying messages proving that we do
use our brain for something more than a storage facility for
"informations" by the mention INCLUDE NO TRIVIAL INFO. This way I wont
feel guilty because I'm wasting your precious time! For the T-shirt,
what about pink for the color, the hat on the logo is lime green and a
photo of Mitsou in the back...

It was nice talking to you...

Claude


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From: James Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) fwd: for sale
Date: 03 Jul 1997 08:24:35 -0700


>From rec.music.marketplace.vinyl:

> Subject:      For Sale: MEN W/O HATS singles
> From:         Steve Wiskowski <[e-mail]>
> Date:         1997/06/16
> Message-Id:   <[e-mail]>
> Newsgroups:   rec.music.marketplace.vinyl

> I have two Men Without Hats collectible singles for sale:
>
> The Safety Dance/Security - "dancers" shaped picture disc 45RPM single
> O Sole Mio - Promo 12" single
>
> Prices on these are $10 a piece or $18 for the pair.
> Prices include shipping and handling.


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Ivan's performance
Date: 03 Jul 1997 17:41:20 -0400 (EDT)


Hey hattttttters!

My daughter is born!!! This morning, I went to the hospital with my wife and
the baby was born at 2:07 pm.  Nice little girl.

The miracle of life is indescriptible...... I'm very proud!


I received a lot of video cassette.  I'll go first in, first out.  I'll try
to dub some this weekend.

Thank you in advance, be patient, I'm kind of busy!


Ciao!

Francis


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From: "Eric W. Soderblom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Shirts (can you believe it?)
Date: 03 Jul 1997 15:40:42 -0700


Hello all,
A couple of thoughts.  First of all, I think that discussion on the =
T-shirt is totally acceptable for this list.  There are many people on =
this list who will undoubtedly buy one or more, and input on how the =
shirt should look is important.  It is sure a hell of a lot more =
relevant than Mitsu, Trans-X, or any of this other NON MWH junk I get =
daily!  Thanks again Laura for your time and effort to get the T-Shirt =
off the ground.  Even though we bicker and complain about the T-shirt =
design, I assure you that we are all very appreciative for your efforts! =
 I for one like the original idea, NOT yellow or orange....SICK :-o

Later,
Eric

P.S. The mystery is solved, Francis is a guy.  Who knew???


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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ideas...
Date: 03 Jul 1997 19:48:09 -0400 (EDT)


>WHAT THE HECK DOES THE GREAT BIG T MEAN????

T-SHIRT(!), silly.

Myke


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From: James Kramer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Francis's newest production
Date: 03 Jul 1997 18:12:25 -0700


Francis wrote...
> My daughter is born!!! This morning, I went to the hospital with my wife and
> the baby was born at 2:07 pm.  Nice little girl.

I'm sure I won't be the only hatter to congratulate you and Mme. on your
daughter.  When you have a chance (and you won't have a spare moment for
about the next three or four years), you should put a picture of her on
the web.

What is your daughter's name?  My guesses are Jenny, Eloise, Eugenie (I
know, French for Jenny, but who's keeping track?)...

Felicitations!!!!!

;-) Laura




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From: James Kramer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) T-shirt update
Date: 03 Jul 1997 18:26:28 -0700


At the risk of PO'ing others...

I dropped off my precious ROY T-shirt at Body Billboards today.  They
promised to take good care of it.  I have ordered 125 shirts, 75 XL and
50 XXL (but 2 of them are mine, mine, mine!!!).  For the XL, before I
figure in postage, the cost is about $7.25, and for the XXL, $1 more.
This includes the T-shirt, 100% cotton, with sleeves (my original is a
muscle shirt); the screens and ink (2 colors - red and black for the
logo on front, and black for the back); and whatever the artists need to
do for making the screens and doing the lettering.  Considering my shirt
cost me $12 in 1983, I think this is pretty darn good, even when you add
in the postage to wherever you may be.

After carefully considering everyone's comments (and in spite of my
PMS-induced bitchiness yesterday, I *really did* pay attention to
people's comments), I went with including the email address (if it
changes in a year, well, they'll have the artwork on file and we can
just make another T-shirt! <vbg>), and the song title/lyric "The Great
Ones Remember."  A nod to the nostalgic list members - it's from ROY, of
course; but at the same time, it's obscure enough that people will ask,
"Catchy phrase, but what does it mean?"  Also, it's rather smugly
self-congratulatory - we were in to MWH before Beavis and Butthead
mocked them, before Pauly Shore featured it in Bio-Dumb, before it was
anywhere near cool to admit that one liked 80s music.  We knew a good
thing when we saw it the first time, and we remember the glory days.
Enough BS?  Yeah, I thought so.  Speaking of which, time to walk the
dogs...  ;-)

L8R, everyone!!!

:-) Laura (not-Jim, who is fine, by the way, back up on the roof
already, but hopefully sans crowbar)



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) BOOTS anyone?
Date: 03 Jul 1997 21:38:49 -0400 (EDT)


Hi everyone,

Has anyone received their CD bootlegs yet?

Ray


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Sustacek)
Subject: (hats) trivial message?
Date: 04 Jul 1997 01:07:13 -0500 (CDT)


   My, how this list has taken a turn for the worst!  Remember, people: we,
the fans of Men Without Hats, are a select breed.  Without this list, I
would have no one to even remotely discuss MWH or synthpop in general.  I
will gladly sift through a few messages that disinterest me just to preserve
the privilege it is that this forum exists!

   ANYWAY, I did listen to Mr. Garbuio's 2 cents, and I agree that the
shirts should be the color of the RoY album cover.  And that's not yellow!
You won't look like Charlie Brown or a banana!  I like that color, and I'd
really like to have a shirt of that color because so many of my other shirts
are plain, drab white.  So I implore you to print the design on RoY
gold-colored shirts.  Then again, it may be too late since the order's been
made, and it would have been more expensive to do so, but we should've found
that out prior to ordering.

   I'm beginning to sour on the whole shirt idea.  It's tearing us/me apart!
These are not fall colors, so to speak.


Jim Sustacek
"Well, you're not a plate of croissants."



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) t-shirts
Date: 04 Jul 1997 07:54:42 -0400 (EDT)


Great idea! I'm definitely in. I just received my XTC shirt a couple of weeks
ago from their mailing list, and they came out great! He ordered 113 shirts
in 4 different colors, and cost $15 each.

As for the design, I like the white shirt with the email address on the back
along with maybe "ideas for walls". Anything would be great though.

Ray


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From: Thomas Ullrich <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) "frustrating stuff"
Date: 04 Jul 1997 16:03:51 +0200


Hi Hatters, especially Claude and Norbert (komm' endlich auf die Liste!)!

> So you see,
> for me Mitsou is very far from Ivan. She represents everything I dislike
> in this business.

But IVAN produced an album for her, right? All I wanted to know is: Can
You HEAR that IVAN produced it? If yes: Is this album still available in
Canada? I don't care about her attitudes to the business or the size of
her titts at all.

> When some peoples (I think it was one guy actually) are
> frustrated because I am sharing some opinions on the validity of Trans-X
> versus Men Without Hats, arguing they feel obliged to read all the
> messages by fear of missing important information, it makes me wander...

Yes, Claude! The folk should pay attention when 2 freaks are discussing
important questions! By the way: Yes, I do like KRAFTWERK. 'Die Roboter'
was one of my first singles when I was a child. But their music sounds a
bit 'mechanical' and 'stiff' in comparison to the emotional songs of bands
like ULTRAVOX or MEN WITHOUT HATS.

Frustrated? Don't worry, I won't e-mail next week! But You can send all
Your complaints to Norbert...(Norbert, Du kriegst Post!!!)

Thomas (the other freak)


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From: Joern Haase <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Birth?
Date: 05 Jul 1997 01:12:12 -0700


Hi Francis!

> My daughter is born!!!

Congratulations!!!

> I received a lot of video cassette.  I'll go first in, first out.  I'll try
> to dub some this weekend.

You can do one each time you'll get up in the night.. ;-) And THAT will
be OFTEN! Believe me.. ;-))))

joern



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From: James Kramer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) sorry for the clutter...
Date: 04 Jul 1997 18:24:10 -0700


Hi hatters!

I just sent a private email to *I think* everyone who has asked for a
T-Shirt so far.  If you thought you asked me, and you don't get an
email, better ask me again.

If you *really* want orange, let me know.  I will see about having some
of them done in yellow/orange since they won't actually start doing
shirts until Monday at 10 when I give them a deposit.  Based on the data
I have so far (remember, I do statistics for fun), I will probably have
12% done in orange/yellow (probably 10 XLs and 5 XXLs).  Most people
have either been ambivalent or specifically said white.  I'm willing to
bet that the color will cost extra, but I don't know for sure.  If it's
more than a dollar difference, I'll go with all white, and you can get
some RIT and color it yellow yourself.  ;-)

If you want a T-Shirt, and you haven't asked yet, ASK!  Reply to me, not
the list, and tell me quantity, size (XL or XXL), and color (W or O).

OK, some non-T-shirt stuff - my new car is very peachy keen, so everyone
who is going to the Montreal concert will probably get to go for a ride,
at least around the block.  Who else is going?  Trena and I are driving
up Friday, and picking up Tom N at the airport on Saturday.  Claude or
Francis, do either of you know what time Ivan is going to be
performing?  I'd hate to drive all that way and miss him!!!  I'd like to
give him a T-shirt, too, so if you can pull any strings . . .

CUSoon!!!

;-) Laura



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From: James Kramer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) sorry for the clutter...
Date: 04 Jul 1997 18:24:10 -0700


Hi hatters!

I just sent a private email to *I think* everyone who has asked for a
T-Shirt so far.  If you thought you asked me, and you don't get an
email, better ask me again.

If you *really* want orange, let me know.  I will see about having some
of them done in yellow/orange since they won't actually start doing
shirts until Monday at 10 when I give them a deposit.  Based on the data
I have so far (remember, I do statistics for fun), I will probably have
12% done in orange/yellow (probably 10 XLs and 5 XXLs).  Most people
have either been ambivalent or specifically said white.  I'm willing to
bet that the color will cost extra, but I don't know for sure.  If it's
more than a dollar difference, I'll go with all white, and you can get
some RIT and color it yellow yourself.  ;-)

If you want a T-Shirt, and you haven't asked yet, ASK!  Reply to me, not
the list, and tell me quantity, size (XL or XXL), and color (W or O).

OK, some non-T-shirt stuff - my new car is very peachy keen, so everyone
who is going to the Montreal concert will probably get to go for a ride,
at least around the block.  Who else is going?  Trena and I are driving
up Friday, and picking up Tom N at the airport on Saturday.  Claude or
Francis, do either of you know what time Ivan is going to be
performing?  I'd hate to drive all that way and miss him!!!  I'd like to
give him a T-shirt, too, so if you can pull any strings . . .

CUSoon!!!

;-) Laura



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From: James Kramer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) doubly sorry!!
Date: 04 Jul 1997 18:29:20 -0700


Sorry for the double-post.  My email hiccupped...

Contritely,
;-) Laura



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) hats shirt
Date: 04 Jul 1997 20:51:42 -0400 (EDT)


i would like to know how you get one of these shirts....please tell me...i am
a huge fan and finally this has come out... i love it..

afx


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Francis's newest production
Date: 04 Jul 1997 21:47:11 -0400 (EDT)


Hi Laura!

The first one is call  ALEXANDRA

This one, we will call her  TANIA


Ciao!

Francesca.... oups....


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) "frustrating stuff"
Date: 04 Jul 1997 21:48:43 -0400 (EDT)


Hey!

The two songs that Ivan wrote for Mitsou are great BECAUSE Ivan is signing in
the background.

But I agree with Claude, she signs like a spanish cow... (can I say that in
public???)

Francis


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) The Box
Date: 04 Jul 1997 21:52:38 -0400 (EDT)


I know this is a Men without hats listing but for the people who sent me or
will send me your video cassette, I have some bootleg video on The Box.

If you are interested, let me know, I will include it.

Ciao

P.s. Thomas, dont worry, I received your message.!!!

Francis


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) MEN WITHOUT BOOTS
Date: 05 Jul 1997 06:16:44 -0400 (EDT)


WHAT THE HELL!  It's been 1-1/2 months and NOTHING!  An email once a week
would be nice to let us know what is going on. Is that too much to ask?!
 Didn't even get an email to let me know my check was received. Is this the
same guy who has done the boots in the past?

Sorry for the hostility, but I just needed to vent.

Lance


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From: * <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) hats
Date: 05 Jul 1997 11:07:02 +0000


Lance
Relax
My CD's took 2 1/2 months
This guys doing you a HUGE Favour !!!!
(6 hours of burning a CD per person - NON PROFIT MAY I REMIND YOU -
takes a while)
You should be happy someones taking the time


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From: "Thomas Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) MEN WITHOUT BOOTS
Date: 05 Jul 1997 10:17:14 -0400


> WHAT THE HELL!  It's been 1-1/2 months and NOTHING!  An email once a week
> would be nice to let us know what is going on. Is that too much to ask?!
>  Didn't even get an email to let me know my check was received. Is this
the
> same guy who has done the boots in the past?
>
> Sorry for the hostility, but I just needed to vent.
>
> Lance

 You have every right to vent, Lance.  It seems that this Travis (or
whatever his name is) has taken the money and run, so to speak.
        On the other hand, me (TOM) and JR have sent boots to everyone who
has sent us their checks.   Lets not point the finger at the good guys, ok?

TOM
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Subject: Re: (hats) MEN WITHOUT BOOTS
Date: 05 Jul 1997 13:43:13 -0400 (EDT)




<< You have every right to vent, Lance.  It seems that this Travis (or
 whatever his name is) has taken the money and run, so to speak.
         On the other hand, me (TOM) and JR have sent boots to everyone who
 has sent us their checks.   Lets not point the finger at the good guys, ok?
  >>

Tom,

I wasn't pointing the finger at you! I just wanted to know who made them in
the past, since everyone is happy and very appreciative for theirs.

Lance


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From: "Thomas Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) roommate for Montreal
Date: 05 Jul 1997 17:38:26 -0400


Greetings,
Are there any other guys considering going to Montreal besides me.  If you
would like to share a room with me just drop me an e-mail.  This way we can
save on expenses for the room.   Laura has already got 2 rooms in  our
motel of choice.  In other words, there is ONE opening.
Dave, Brad....anyone     any takers?
Tom
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From: "William Black" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Happy Post
Date: 07 Jul 1997 01:48:51 UT


In 1995, I was interviewing for a job in Yuba City, California. As I arrived
45 minutes early, I decided to visit a local mall. In the record store, I
decided to check out the Men Without Hats section and lo and behold, there was
the Safety Dance UK-Remix CD as an import from Germany. Also included were the
songs Dance No More (by a band of the same name) and Safety Dance Original
Aussie Version. Anticipating the job, I decided to splurge and spent the $9.99
(I think) that it cost. I didn't get the job but I did get a great little CD.

Bill


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From: "Thomas Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) The new video
Date: 06 Jul 1997 17:45:36 -0400


Just got the new IVAN video off of Much Music, its on videotape now.
Has anyone tried to figure this video out????  Wacko.  :-)
 Here is what I think I have figured out:
     1.   Ivan is having a party in his apartment
     2.   The jungle DJ is spinning the ROY picture disc (???)
     3.    John Kasner from "The Doughboys" has taken Ivan girfriend,
                             Mitsou (fictional of course).
     4.   John and Mitsou rob the Bank of Montreal and drive away.

I must be missing something.   This video is WAY over my head.

Tom
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From: [e-mail] (Henning Schmiedehausen)
Subject: (hats) T-Shirts
Date: 07 Jul 1997 08:16:57 +0200


How about...

"I ... know their name... "

Or of course the "Where did the synths go?" line... :-)

        Ciao
                Henning

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From: James Kramer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Hurry!!!  T-shirts going fast!!
Date: 07 Jul 1997 19:01:43 -0700


If you didn't just receive an email from me about the same time as this
hits, you might not be on my list!!

I have 15 T's left from the order I placed...

3 XL White T's (about $7.75)
3 XL Orange T's (about $8.75)
8 XXL White T's (ditto)
1 XXL Orange T  (about $9.75)

Name 'em and claim 'em, folks!!  Respond privately, not to the list.

Apologies to the people on the list who don't give a hoot about the T's,
but this is the quickest way to reach all the people who *are*
interested.

Hope everyone is having a great day!!  Hope to see lots of you in
Montreal!!!!!!!  Claude, I can't wait!!!  I started to hyperventilate
after your last email... ;-)

Cheers,
:-) Laura


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From: "Hiram Lester, Jr." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Ideas...
Date: 08 Jul 1997 21:40:11 -0500 (CDT)


On Tue, 1 Jul 1997, Denny Garbuio wrote:

> >
> > A great big T on a shirt.
>
> WHAT THE HECK DOES THE GREAT BIG T MEAN????

It's probably a reference to "Ideas for Walls":

"A little 'm' for the mirror,
A 'w' for the wall,
To make things perfectly clear,
A great big 'H' in the hall."

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From: "Hiram Lester, Jr." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) T-Shirt idea
Date: 08 Jul 1997 21:41:08 -0500 (CDT)


On Thu, 3 Jul 1997, William Black wrote:

> How about the MWH logo on the front and a listing of the album/CD names on the
> back:
>
>         Folk of the 80's Part I
>         Rhythm of Youth
>         Folk of the 80's Part III
>         Pop Goes the World
>         In the 21st Century
>         Sideways
>         The Spell
>
>     we can dance if we want to...

Of course you forgot Freeways. :)

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From: "Hiram Lester, Jr." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Mitsou - what sound?
Date: 08 Jul 1997 21:45:42 -0500 (CDT)


On Wed, 2 Jul 1997, Thomas Ullrich wrote:

> Hi everybody!
>
> Can anybody tell me something about the sound of MITSOU (written
> correctly?)? Nothing available anymore in Germany!
>
> Can it be compaired to any titles of the new IVAN album 'THE SPELL'?
>
> I remember to have read on this list that this project was produced by
> IVAN...

I don't have any sound clips, but I have a Mitsou Home Page at
http://pobox.com/~hwlester/mitsou/

It's mostly correct except that I still haven't gotten around to adding
her recently released (6-7 months ago) Christmas album.

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From: James Kramer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) skip this if you're sick of the T-Shirt thing...
Date: 08 Jul 1997 21:11:56 -0700


I'm getting tired of it myself!!

As of whatever time it is now (past my bedtime is all I know), there are
only 4 XXL W's left.  I have started a waiting list (by date and time
stamp from my email, which takes into account differences from GMT) for
other requests, and will call the T-Shirt place tomorrow to see if I can
bump up the order a bit.  I gave them a little extra on the deposit (in
for a penny, in for a pound), so I hope this will be possible.  I don't
want any disappointed hatters!!!

The person I am working with at the T-shirt place said that I will need
to come in at some point and approve the artwork and printing, so I
*hope* I can up the order as necessary until then.

One more "get new mail," then off to bed!!!

ZZZZZ,

;-) Laura


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From: "Russ Kemsley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Antarctica Discrepency
Date: 09 Jul 1997 04:59:00 UT


Hi all,

I just received the Folk 10" in a trade. I have had the "Fan" CD's (refraining
from using the word bootleg) since the first go around and this was my first
time listening to it in beautiful analog (I am strange that way...I like
vinyl).

I noticed something weird about Antarctica. On the Fan CD, it fades out very
cleanly, but on the vinyl, it has an abrupt ending after the seventh "It's my
turn". I'm posting the question to the list because I used to have a piece of
mail from J.R. that listed the sources for the cuts on the Fan CD. Hopefully
someone still has that mail because I seem to have lost it. If someone does,
would you please forward it to me. In fact with the second generation
happening, perhaps the list would be interested as well.

Thanks,

-Russ


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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Antarctica Discrepency
Date: 09 Jul 1997 01:19:25 -0400 (EDT)


I believe that the source for the fan CDs was actually a "Freeways" EP
which included four versions of "Freeways" on one side and the four tracks
from the original "Folk Of The 80s" EP on the other.  I have a 12" version
of "Folk Of The 80s" EP (thank you, Carl) but I've not listened to it as
I too have the "fanmade" 3CD set to which *I* prefer to listen.

You may have discovered a "rarity"!

Also, Russ, I've finished the demo tape of my early Ymphony!s and will
be sending you a copy to review in the very near future.  Please review
them honestly.  From your comments, I intend to obtain some "pull-quotes"
for the actual artwork/liner notes which I'm still trying to create.

Hats Mode Back On...

Yes, my "great big T on a shirt" idea was an obscure reference to
"Ideas For Walls".  Logo on the front / Great big T on the back.
I'd like to have one like that personally.  Who cares if nobody else
gets it!  I'd be wearing it for me.

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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) T-shirts good news!
Date: 09 Jul 1997 10:10:42 +0000


Hi everybody!

I just added on to the order, so Don, Mike S, and Hiram, you're OK
with your first choices...  never fear, SuperLaura is here!!! ;-)

Everyone else, there's still less than 20 shirts left, so don't miss
out!  I'm recording orders with date and TIME -- hurry!!!!!

I can adjust the order up to tomorrow, so anyone who orders after
that will go on the waiting list FOR SURE!!!

Talk to you soon!!  Remember, send orders to *[e-mail]*
Any order sent to my work address has a vanishingly small chance of
being filled...

;-) Laura


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From: James Kramer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) my nightly T-Shirt post...
Date: 09 Jul 1997 20:50:48 -0700


I will be sooooo glad when this is done!! Remind me not to try to be
helpful anymore - it's a pain in the tuckus.  ;-)

I just sent an email to everyone who has requested a T-shirt so far,
asking you to verify your order.  Last time I did this, I had a couple
of email addresses entered incorrectly, so if you didn't get an email,
don't panic.  Re-send your order, and I will figure out what happened.
Let me know if you think you should have gotten the email I just sent,
but you didn't - there's still hope!

I've got left: 3 XL O and 4 each XXL W and XXL O.  All the XL Ws are
spoken for...

Oy, vey! I'm 'bout done for.  I may reconsider my fan-dom - it's a lot
of work!!  <vbg>  Gee whiz, the dog just yawned in my face and went to
bed. I think he's trying to tell me something...

G'night!!

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) No Subject
Date: 10 Jul 1997 02:13:19 -0400 (EDT)


Hi--
I just rejoined the list after about a 5-month hiatus during which I
relocated from Chicago to the Canadian border and then to the Colorado
mountains (I was formerly [e-mail], then [e-mail]--now I'm
"[e-mail]") Anyway, despite being a great Mw/oH fan, I usually "read"
rather than "talk." However, I REALLY enjoyed reading everyone's T-shirt
suggestions (kind of like "If you were stranded on a desert island and you
could only have ONE book what would it be....") If I'd gotten hooked up in
time, I would've suggested "SOUNDS FAMILIAR BUT IT DOESN'T SOUND THE SAME"
(from one of my personal favorites!)

Anyway, I'm about Ivan's age and have been a major fan since I got my first
earful. I used to have a handful of self-taped vids (Safety Dance, Pop Goes,
and a couple televised interviews) but lost them to over-eager friends.
Therefore, I'm especially anxious to find out what any of you have on video
and how to go about purchasing or trading for it. Also VERY interested in
photos and/or concert stills. Any out there? I have some early vinyl
including the MCA 12" Folk/Pt.3 and most of the original issue CDs--I wonder
if anyone would be interested in trading vids or pics for cassettes made from
these? I'd also consider trading vinyl for a really handsome program I caught
a brief glimpse of in 1988--I think it was from the Montreal WinterFest (lots
of shots of the Snowman!) and had some awesome pics of Ivan, Stefan, et
al--owned by a friend from McGill U who has since passed into history. Has
anyone ever seen this or know how to get a copy (I'd even pay for color
photocopies if available.)

Hope this wasn't too long--wanted to introduce myself. Feel like I know the
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From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) walls thread!
Date: 10 Jul 1997 19:32:10 +0100


>
>Doug
>
>p.s. Does anyone have any good ideas for walls?
well, I do need to paint the front room so an idea for those walls
wouldn't go amiss!!

mike


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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) walls thread!
Date: 10 Jul 1997 21:30:21 -0400


>>p.s. Does anyone have any good ideas for walls?
>well, I do need to paint the front room so an idea for those walls
>wouldn't go amiss!!

Actually my parnets are redecorating the walls (putting up the moldings and
repainting)...any ideas? :D
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From: Claude <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Hi people
Date: 11 Jul 1997 01:19:45 -0400


Hi, my name is Simon, I'll be 17 on August 25th and I live at 5 min from
Montreal to introduce myself I decided to tell you how I got hooked on MWH.
It's the same story that I posted on my web page
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/1290


The first time I heard a song from Men Without Hats I was 8, 8 years ago. I
was watching Musique Plus when I heard for the first time Safety Dance. I
liked it but I forgot the title of the song and the band who made it and,
two years ago I rented the movie Bio-Dome with Pauly Shore (very good movie,
rent it ! ). So I was watching the movie when I heard the song again (for
those who saw it, Safety Dance is the song they use to try to get them out
of the Bio-Dome) and this time I looked at the generic and noted the song's
name and the band's name. Then I went to buy the albums they made, but the
only one that was still produced was "Men Without Hats Greatest Hats" so I
bought it. For some reason I like the way the keyboards sound. And from now
on I'm proud to say that I'm a big fant of them.


Thank you for listening to my little story and hi to all of you!!!



P.S. Sorry for the mistakes I may have made but my 1st language is french
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From: Todd Draper <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) MEN WITHOUT BOOTS
Date: 11 Jul 1997 08:25:55 -0600


According to secret government files [e-mail] said:

>WHAT THE HELL!  It's been 1-1/2 months and NOTHING!  An email once a week
>would be nice to let us know what is going on. Is that too much to ask?!
> Didn't even get an email to let me know my check was received. Is this the
>same guy who has done the boots in the past?
>
>Sorry for the hostility, but I just needed to vent.

Hey, chill out dude. I've been burning the discs as fast as I can. I've
been really busy with work and some personal stuff lately. I've got 200
email messages in my inbox (not to mention hundreds that get filed
automatically) to deal with, if I don't send out updates it's because I'm
EXTREMELY busy. The discs will be done as fast as I can get them done.

I didn't even cash the first round of checks until a week or so ago cause
I felt bad about taking so long to get the discs finished.

todd


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Antarctica Discrepency
Date: 11 Jul 1997 15:58:32 -0400 (EDT)


Hey!

Did you know that Alert Music released only 3000 of Folk of the 80's EP ????

Ciao

Francis


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Ivan's performance
Date: 11 Jul 1997 16:09:24 -0400 (EDT)


Hey hatters.

Ok I started yesterday to dub Ivan's performance .

I should be able to ship 2 cassettes today or monday.


To anyone who did not send you video cassette, or are not aware about this, 3
weeks ago, Ivan performed live at Musique plus here in Quebec and I taped it.
So if you are interested to get a free copy, just leave me a message

Ciao!

Francis


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From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
Subject: (hats) 2for1 CD
Date: 12 Jul 1997 09:16:02 -0500


To  Thomas Bieler,

I've been informed that you may possibly have a few copies of Oglio's Rhyt=
hm of Youth/Folk of the 80s Part III  2-for1 CD up for sale.  I wasn't on =
the MWHlist earlier in the year, so I missed out on getting the disc.
Let me know,  C. Campbell=20=20=20=20
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From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
Subject: (hats) 2-for-1 CD
Date: 12 Jul 1997 09:52:00 -0500


To  Thomas Bieler,

I've been informed that you may possibly have a few copies of Oglio's Rhyt=
hm of Youth/Folk of the 80s Part III  2-for-1 CD available for sale.  I wa=
sn't on the MWHlist earlier in the year, so I missed out on getting the di=
sc back then.
Let me know,
C. Campbell
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Original Folk of the 80's Part III Compact Disc
Date: 12 Jul 1997 17:13:07 -0400 (EDT)


I am selling an original Folk of the 80's part 3 compact disc.
Let me know your bid, but this part is required: Your offer must include a
2for1 CD!!!

Address all offers to [e-mail]


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From: "Bradley N. Hull" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Boots
Date: 12 Jul 1997 18:51:52 -0400


Just received a message from Todd that the boots are progressing nicely.

He anticipates a fairly large mailing in the next few weeks.

I will continue to wait patiently.  That doesn't mean that the anticipati=
on
isn't just about KILLING me, it just means that I trust Todd and know tha=
t
the job will be completed when the other (more important) components of h=
is
life allow him to help out a few pathetic Hats freaks like me.

Thanks again, Todd.  I think I speak for all of us on your list when I sa=
y
thank you for persisting with this while juggling everything else!

Brad


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From: "Russ Kemsley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (hats) Boots
Date: 12 Jul 1997 23:18:34 UT


Bradley wrote:
>I trust Todd

"In Todd We Trust"

Sorry...couldn't resist :)

-R
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Hi people
Date: 12 Jul 1997 21:43:26 -0400 (EDT)


Salut!

Tu n'es pas le seul qui parle francais ici, mais pour les besoins de la
cause, nou parlons la langue de Shakespeare.

Ciao

Francis


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From: Saul Hazan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Hi people
Date: 13 Jul 1997 03:35:34 +0100 (BST)


> Tu n'es pas le seul qui parle francais ici, mais pour les besoins de la
> cause, nou parlons la langue de Shakespeare.

This may come as a shock to you guys, but no-one has used the language of
Shakespeare (on a daily basis) for several centuries!

Yours, with tongue planted firmly in cheek,

Saul

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From: David Richards <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Lexicon #4
Date: 13 Jul 1997 09:35:14 -0400


OFF TOPIC ALERT
Hi, sory, been down for a while, more server trouble.
Lexicon #4 is out, interviews with Curt Smith (ex Tears for Fears), The
Ocean Blue, Information Society amd Real Life. Discography from Heaven
17 / Human Legaue

Subs are $6 for four issues, $2.50 for a single issue. ($9 Canada, $3
single) Please send chekc or money order to David Richards
Lexicon
PO Box 1734 Wheaton,MD 20915

Thanks for yout ime, now back to the newsgroup that never sleeps....
-Dave


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From: James Kramer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) drats!!
Date: 13 Jul 1997 15:35:27 -0700


Hi all!

Who has Thomas Bieler's address?  He just called, and our connection was
terrible and we got disconnected.  If you heard vociferous cursing from
the SE US, that was me...

Please send his address to me if you have it...

Thanks a zillion!!

;-) Laura


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From: "Lamp4" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan's CD and MWOH's greatest hits
Date: 13 Jul 1997 22:46:10 -0700


I just bought Ivan's CD and the Canadian MWOH's greatest Hits CD.  The HMV
store in West Vancouver had alot of Ivan's CDs in stock.  After first
listen, alot of the tunes are good, you can keep the "rap" number.  I like
the Freeways on the Greatest Hits CD (only cost Canadian $10).  So that
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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) More versions of "Open Your Eyes"!
Date: 14 Jul 1997 11:21:30 -0400


Hello everyone,

I have a friend who joined a record pool.  Saturday night I was playing some
Ivan songs in my car and I told my friend to guess the singer.  He said
"That's easy. Who doesn't know that voice?  It's Ivan".  Well, that's a real
stupendous feat for my friend to know who Ivan is!  So I asked how he knew
and he told me he receoved a promo of "Open Your Eyes".  He went on saying
how it came with some other versions.  I flipped!  Yes in the car :)  I went
on begging him to give it to me.  I think I will get it this weekend.  I
haven't listened to the record but he told me the remixes aren't anything
great.  They only "Radio Version", "Album Version", etc.
Well, we all know how we like to collect absolutely everything from MWH!  I
asked him to describe the cover of the promo record and he said it is just a
white label with the "Ivan" logo written across the label on one side.

Also, a cousin of mine loves "Open Your Eyes" but told me Ivan looks really
scarey in the video.  Scarey?!  She said it was because of the hat he was
wearing on his head.  I have no idea why she thinks that way. :)

Just for interest sake, I'd like to mention that I boughtan italian CD from
a group called 883.  There is one song on it which sounds like Ivan's dance
tracks on "The Spell".  Nothing big, jsut thought it would be interesting.
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From: [e-mail] (will finn)
Subject: (hats) Introduction, Hello!
Date: 15 Jul 1997 03:59:51 -0500 (CDT)


Hello Dear Mad Hatters!
   It's so wonderful to know there are others who are obcessed with this
very "special" band. I've never subscribed to a "list" before and to be
honest I'm a relatively new net user. I'm afraid I'm hooked though, for this
kind of interaction is "shagadelic!". However I am in a bit of a quest, much
like the fabled grail, I have seeking a cd copy of Rhythm of Youth for seems
like an eternity! Does anyone know where or how I can order the new 2 for 1
cd by Oglio? Or I'd settle for the 3 cd package made by the "fan club".
I'm an older student here at UT of Austin, in the Fine Arts dept, love synth
music from the 80's and much more. But MWH's are my absolute favorites!
Nothing picks me up more than putting them on the stereo!!! Heaven!!!!
Thanks for letting me rattle, hope to hear from some one soon! .....Thank
You!, Will



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From: Thomas Ullrich <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) More versions of "Open Your Eyes"!
Date: 15 Jul 1997 17:55:35 +0200


Daniele Rossi wrote:
>
> and he told me he receoved a promo of "Open Your Eyes".  He went on saying
> how it came with some other versions.  I flipped!  Yes in the car :)  I went
> on begging him to give it to me.  I think I will get it this weekend.  I
> haven't listened to the record but he told me the remixes aren't anything
> great.  They only "Radio Version", "Album Version", etc.
> Well, we all know how we like to collect absolutely everything from MWH!  I
> asked him to describe the cover of the promo record and he said it is just a
> white label with the "Ivan" logo written across the label on one side.

Hi!

The Single CD wasn't released yet? Why all the promotion gigs and even an
internet page with the cover of the single CD when they don't release it?

Check out:

http://www.toxrecords.com/ivan/single.htm

Has this really not been released yet?

Thomas


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From: "Russ Kemsley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (hats) MWH on CD...read me!
Date: 16 Jul 1997 03:11:42 UT


Remember when I asked for the sources to the tracks on the "Fan" CDs...I found
the mail...here for your reading and drooling pleasure, I am forwarding it
back to the group.

<SNIP>

1. FREEWAYS
This is basically a CD version of the Canadian FREEWAYS cassette with =
some bonus material to pad out the 74 mins. Tom Norman compiled each =
cut from the best sources available to him. For instance, "Modern(e) =
Dancing," "Utter Space" and "Security (Everybody Feels Better With)" =
are taken from his rare Statik RHYTHM OF YOUTH CD. The 1980 version =
of "Antarctica" and "Freeways (Euromix)" are from virgin vinyl =
(believe me, you can't tell). Three other mixes of "Freeways" are =
from his original cassette. The other tracks are dance/extended mixes =
of "Pop Goes The World" and "Moonbeam" (3 of each).

2. RHYTHM OF YOUTH LIVE 1983
11 tracks taken from MWH's 1983 tour...
The Safety Dance
I Like
Where Do The Boys Go?
Ideas For Walls
The Great Ones Remember
Messiahs Die Young
Freeways
Security (Everybody Feels Better With)
I Got The Message
Modern(e) Dancing
Things In My Life

3. FREEWAYS LIVE 1985
14 tracks recorded live in 1985 at "Le Spectrum" Concert Montreal...
Heaven
I Know Their Name
Antarctica
Modern(e) Dancing
I Sing Last/Not For Tears
Jenny Wore Black
Freeways
Security (Everybody Feels Better With)
Ban The Game
I Like
Editions Of You
The Safety Dance
I Got The Message
Where Do The Boys Go?

This material was all taken from DAT into my Power Mac, where the =
heads and tails were trimmed and/or faded and the levels normalized =
for maximum volume without peaking. I have gone to the liberty of =
creating inserts/tray liners for the CDs, all color-coded and =
containing complete track lists and times. (The FREEWAYS CD also =
includes all of the liner notes from Tom's cassette.)

<SNIP>


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Subject: Re: (hats) Introduction, Hello!
Date: 16 Jul 1997 00:24:47 -0400 (EDT)


In a message dated 97-07-15 05:19:42 EDT, you write:

<< However I am in a bit of a quest, much
 like the fabled grail, I have seeking a cd copy of Rhythm of Youth for seems
 like an eternity! >>


Odd.  We've referred to the search for rare MWH stuff as The Quest for years,
with the ROY cd referred to as The Holy Grail!  It must be a Hats thing...

Dave Krupla

Anybody tell me where to be in Montreal on Saturday?  And when?  I'll be
driving in from Ohio on Friday afternoon....


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From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan in Montreal!
Date: 16 Jul 1997 02:13:25 +0000


To all off you who are coming to Montreal this weekend, I absolutely
need to ear from you as soon as possible if you want to be part of the
gang. Already signed in are Laura and her friend Trena, Tom, Dave, maybe
Francis (donne moi des nouvelles vieux, dis moi si j'ai manqu=E9 quelque
chose, as-tu organis=E9 quelque chose de ton c=F4t=E9 avec d'autres gens?=
).

Laura, I'm still waiting for your reply, time is running fast!

Goodnight everybody!

(by the way, I received my 2for1 today, thanks to Russ!)


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From: * <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) who? - 3 cd
Date: 16 Jul 1997 08:58:34 +0000


who was responsible for organizing / transferring  our live cd's???
(thomas?)
.. please contact me
wolf


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From: "Russ Kemsley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Messiahs MIDI
Date: 16 Jul 1997 17:54:59 UT


This may have come across the list before, but in farting around on AOL last
night I found a great MIDI of 'Messiahs Die Young'. I grabbed it and posted it
to ftp://members.aol.com/its7am. Filename is messiahs.mid.

Help yourselves.

-Russ


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Videocassette
Date: 16 Jul 1997 21:32:10 -0400 (EDT)


Hey guys (David Krupla, Thomas Ullrich and Rick Fuller)

Your cassettes are almost finish.

Here is the contents:
Ivan's performance with interview and "open youe eyes" video
Mwh's video
Mwh's English interview  (I guess you dont want the French one)
The Box, live

If you need more stuff, tell me before I pack the cassettes

Ciao!

Francis


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From: David Richards <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Off Topic - Lexicon #4 - no Ivan Interview :-(
Date: 16 Jul 1997 21:48:04 -0400


Hi,
this is off topic, but I know that just a FEW people on this list like
music from the '80s.

Lexicon #4 is back from the printers - It features interviews with Curt
Smith (Ex Tears For Fears Singer), Real Life (Remember "Send Me An
Angel"?), Information Society and The Ocean Blue.
The Discography is for Human League and Heaven 17
Reviews for stuff from Kate Bush, ABC ('natch), Heaven 17, XTC, Lighting
Seeds, Ultravox, Voice of the Beehive, Pet Shop Boys, Erasure, and more

Didn't get the interview with Ivan, perhaps next time - God willing and
the rec co willing!

If you want a copy of the mag just email me and I will give you details!
Thanks for your time and server space!
-David Richards
Lexicon
PO Box 1734
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Midi file
Date: 17 Jul 1997 22:23:19 -0400 (EDT)


Hey hatters!

I tried with my keyboard the midi file for Messiahs die young.

WOW,  good stuff.

I have a question, is there other mwh midi file somewhere?  I did a part of
Safety dance,  WDTBG and I sing last but I want to find more songs.

Ciao

Francis


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From: [e-mail] (will finn)
Subject: (hats) Men Without CD's!
Date: 18 Jul 1997 17:43:05 -0500 (CDT)


Hello Fellow Hat Fans,
      Hey I joined this news group a few days ago and only one person said
"welcome aboard or even hello" What's up? I have been into MWH's since the
beginning back in '82, and I, like many apparantly found them
intrigueing,and I too, have been searching high and low for ROY and have
been ever so patiently waiting for the release that Oglio spoke of only to
have it not available here!
However, there is hope, because every time I read the back issues of these
news letters someone always says "I got my 2 for 1". I have ask several
people in the group and they pointed to someone else, whom haven't answered
back. IS THERE ANY ONE OUT THERE WHO CAN HELP ME FIND "ANY" OF THE  2 for 1,
or bootlegs, 3cd fan package?????? And yes MYKE I too remember you, may your
god bless you likewise!
Meanwhile, will you all pray I find this CD!, save my soul later! ha ha!
Laura sounds like she's very busy with this t-shirt thing, I would order one
but I'm as big as a football player and need XXXL, besides, I wanted a
yellow one as in the video. Who came up with "orange"? OOPS! This is TOO
LONG! sorry! ....Will



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From: [e-mail] (will finn)
Subject: (hats) ROY cd
Date: 18 Jul 1997 19:35:51 -0500 (CDT)


Hey a friend of mine says he saw the ROY cd in the bargain bins for 3.99  at
Best Buy about six months ago, I called them and indeed the showed it on the
computer that they did have it. The ones here in Austin Tx are out but if
you have a Best Buy or Circuit City you might want to check it out! If you
find more than one copy let me know!!!! L8r, the new guy, Will



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) safety dance (lounge vers)
Date: 18 Jul 1997 19:26:21 -0700


Dear friends,

I am horrified by what I just heard...

A "friend" just mailed me a tape simply labled "Coctail:  shakin' and stirred".
All seemed innocent enough, but when I actually played the tape the first
song was a surfy lounge version of Safety Dance.  It's like Sinatra meets
Dion Warwick meets the Beach Boys meets Men sans Hats.  I really didn't
think it was funny--bands like this bother me.  Guess I've always taken
music (esp. music I like) to be something sacred and not a novelty.  If
these guys are so cool, let them write their own damn songs...
Needless to say, I coulda' danced, but I didn't want to...

Adam




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From: "Hiram Lester, Jr." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) safety dance (lounge vers)
Date: 18 Jul 1997 22:30:36 -0500 (CDT)


On Fri, 18 Jul 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> A "friend" just mailed me a tape simply labled "Coctail:  shakin' and
> stirred".  All seemed innocent enough, but when I actually played the
> tape the first song was a surfy lounge version of Safety Dance.  It's
> like Sinatra meets Dion Warwick meets the Beach Boys meets Men sans
> Hats.  I really didn't think it was funny--bands like this bother me.
> Guess I've always taken music (esp. music I like) to be something sacred
> and not a novelty.  If these guys are so cool, let them write their own
> damn songs...  Needless to say, I coulda' danced, but I didn't want
> to...

What's funny is that just in the past couple of weeks, the Christian radio
station here has started playing a lounge version of "Flood" by Jars of
Clay.  This is from a CD called "Lounge Lizards" containing lounge
re-makes of Christian music.  What's the deal with lounge music?!?  This
came only a week or two after hearing about the lounge version of Safety
Dance.  This is REALLY scary...  Sinatra does Jars of Clay... shudder...

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From: Claude <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MWH stuff
Date: 19 Jul 1997 11:52:06 -0400


Hi, sorry to bother but I'm looking for anything about MWH legal or not and
I'm mostly interested in CDs can someone tell me where I can find stuff
please!!!



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Montreal show
Date: 19 Jul 1997 23:12:00 -0400 (EDT)


Hey hatters.

It's tonight the big show.  While I'm writing this message, our friends
Laura, Dave Vince, Claude and Tom are at Ivan's show

Unfortunately, I'm not able to go due to my new born baby.


I just want to let you know that we had a nice supper together.

Ciao


francis


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From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Yvan in Montreal
Date: 20 Jul 1997 02:53:07 +0000


Salut les chapeaux!

I just came back from the show (Laura gave me a lift home, it's almost 2
in morning).

I think you will ear a lot about that concert. Wait and see what Laura,
Tom and Dave (the party animal) have to say about their trip in
Montreal, you're in for a treat!

Friday night, after an average meal we went to see Voivod in concert (I
drag them there, arguing that we may see Ivan there). He was not there,
but there was a band called the Smithies who were opening for Voivod.
Let's just say that Dave was disappointed that the singer didn't swallow
his guitar (you asked for it Dave).

So the next day we went to the airport to pick Tom and then....
Something happened! I wont tell you. I'll leave the pleasure to Laura,
Dave and Tom! (let's just say that at this point I was convince that the
only sane person in the group was Treena, Laura's girlfriend from work).
After that we went to 6 record stores. And yes, it's sad but true, there
are no more MWH or Ivan's record in Montreal! Laura bought them all!!!!!

After that we went for a nice lunch with Francis, his wife and baby
girl.Vince joined us with two friends, and Christian (my best buddy)
also joined the gang. From there we went to the concert. The concert
started a bit passed 10PM. The line-up was the same as in Toronto (2
dancers, Linda Benoy on backup vocals and Hugo Bugg - a very nice person
- on electronics). Now for the songs:

1 WWW
2 Superbadgirls
3 Open your Eyes
4 1972 (Slippin' away)
5 The Spell
6 My Wonder Wall (from Oasis)

Those 6 song were played without interuption. That was the first part of
the show. Ivan dedicated the next song to... Oh, I let the others fill
you on that one to ;o)
7 Fly
8 I Feel Love (from Donna Summers)
9 If I Could Fall in Love (from Selina)

After that, everybody leaves the stage except for Hugo who really gave
everything he got on the next piece,
10 Outro

Everybody comes back to deliver:
11 Pop Goes the World

That's the strangest version I ever eared of that song! I asked Ivan
what he called that version. With a big smile he answered: bass-drum. I
would have called it the techno-funk-acid-jazz version, very intense and
busy (but now, I'm not a specialist). Then enters Colin (on keyboard)
and his little daughter Sahara (to give a helping hand to the dancers)
as they get into:
12 Safety Dance

Out goes Colin, in comes Bill Pash (I really don't know how to spell his
name, he's Ivan's cousin from North Carolina), keyboard player. He was
the last one in, he will be the last one out, as they perform:
13 I've Got The Message
14 Chain Reaction

And that was it. As far as I'm concern, it was a flawless performance by
very nice peoples. The crowd was very happy, the atmosphere was somehow
refreshing and elevating. The "band" was having fun and so did we! The
only complain I have is that at moments, Ivan's voice was not loud
enough, but I guess that depends on where you were standing on the site.

After that we... I wont tell you. But don't worry, you'll know pretty
soon! For the guy who asked for a T-shirt, we got you one. Tom has it!
You can make arrangment directly with him at [e-mail]
The shirt is nice. It's black with Ivan's logo on the front, and a nice
cartoonish drawing on the back for Superbadgirls. That was done by Ivan
himself! He used to do those comic strips back then, a man of many
talents indeed!

Okay, can I go to bed now? I'm going anyway, bye everybody

And to Laura, Treena, Dave & Baby Tom, it was very nice meeting you,
I'll get back to some of you (concerning The Box and Indochine)

Claude...


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From: "Thomas Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MONTREAL SHOW REPORT : MUST READ
Date: 20 Jul 1997 21:15:06 -0400


 >I think you will ear a lot about that concert. Wait and see what Laura,
>Tom and Dave (the party animal) have to say about their trip in
>Montreal, you're in for a treat!

OK.  Tom here, the first one who is back from Montreal.
Now for the good news:
I have soooo much to report so i'll just give you the quick rundown and let
Laura, Dave and the rest of the gang fill you in.

     I brought a videocamera to Montreal.   We waited in front of the park
around 2 in the afternoon, hoping that Ivan would walk by for the sound
check before that evening's show.
     Because of Laura's shirts (we were all wearing them), Ivan came to our
side of the fence to check out who we were.
     Needless to say, we ALL talked to him for over 15 minutes.   Its all on
videotape.  I even asked him the majority of the questions that we were all
going over (the what if we met IVAN questions).    OK,  IT GETS
BETTER.........
      Ivan allowed us to videotape his whole sound check!  For those of you
who are unfamilliar with what a soundcheck is:  This is where they play
EVERY song , mixing it in different ways, checking levels etc.   I taped
over 20 minutes of this.  The sound quality and videoquality are
UNBELEIVEABLE!!!
                        OK, IT GETS BETTER STILL.......
   Claude,  who deserves most of the credit for setting this up, talked to
the show promoter, security, IVAN etc. to allow me to go up in front of the
crowd barricade right up to the stage to videotape the whole concert!
     Now the bad news:    my camera is like a car with over 200,000 miles on
it.    The power konked out right at the end of "open your eyes".   I only
got the first 3 songs of the show on videotape.   But they look and sound
perfect!!!!!!
The whole IVAN tape is 45min including my perfect copy of "open your eyes"
video.
       The videotape looks and sounds excellent!!!!!

OK.   I will definately copy this for everyone.   Let me make this clear:
if it wasn't for Claude, Laura, and the rest of the gang in Montreal , this
would have never been possible.   What I am saying is WE really lucked out!
We all scored!!
     I even had IVAN say hi (wave into the camera) for all of you.

Now because We all talked to IVAN and COLIN for over an hour, we have lots
of great stories.... I will let Laura and the gang continue.

Start sending e-mail to queue up for copies of the video.  Don't worry ,
this is for everyone.  I think I will ask $15 a piece for the IVAN fan
video.   (people in Montreal get free copies, cause they helped.   The $15
is for priority shipping and really good high quality NEW videotapes, ok?
I think this is how much I asked for the 1st one.    I won't start with a
limit, cause I think we should ALL have a copy of this.

Tom
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Subject: Re: (hats) Men Without CD's!
Date: 21 Jul 1997 02:52:08 -0400 (EDT)


In a message dated 97-07-19 05:43:17 EDT, you write:

<<besides, I wanted a yellow one as in the video. Who came up with "orange"?
>>

It's a dark yellow, like the American ROY color.  It's perfect.  And the
white ones are great, too!

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Subject: Re: (hats) Yvan in Montreal
Date: 21 Jul 1997 03:19:03 -0400 (EDT)


<<   there was a band called the Smittys who were opening for Voivod.
 Let's just say that Dave was disappointed that the singer didn't swallow
 his guitar.>>

Well, I was!  They only had three songs and they played one of them 7-8
times!

<<So the next day we went to the airport to pick Tom and then....
 Something happened! I wont tell you. I'll leave the pleasure to Laura,
 Dave and Tom!>>

I'll let them tell most of it...I'd hate to spoil Laura's fun, and she had
longer to drive! Not to mention more frustration to deal with!  (Look, Yvan
is there!  No, that wasn't him.  Oh, there he comes!  No, the hair is too
long.)

<< After that we went to 6 record stores. And yes, it's sad but true, there
 are no more MWH or Ivan's record in Montreal! Laura bought them all!!!!!>>

Not true.  Tom and I went back to HMV and they'd put out two more copies of
Sideways and a copy of the cd-single Safety Dance/Dance no More.

<< After that we went for a nice lunch with Francis, his wife and baby
 girl.Vince joined us with two friends, and Christian (my best buddy)
 also joined the gang.>>

All great people!  Yet another reason to go back to Montreal!

<< From there we went to the concert. The line-up was the same as in Toronto
...>>

T=Also played at Toronto, for those who wish to compare...

 <<T1 WWW
T 2 Superbadgirls
T 3 Open your Eyes
T 4 1972 (Slippin' away)
T 5 The Spell
T 6 Wonder Wall (from Oasis)

Those 6 song were played without interuption. That was the first part of
the show. Ivan dedicated the next song to... >>

Some friends of his from the States.  Gee, I wonder who that could be?

<<  7 Fly
T 8 I Feel Love (from Donna Summers)
 9 If I Could Fall in Love (from Selina)
 10 Outro
T 11 Pop Goes the World

 That's the strangest version I ever eared of that song! ... I
 would have called it the techno-funk-acid-jazz version>>

Me, too!

<<T 12 Safety Dance
  13 I've Got The Message
 14 Chain Reaction>>

All told, a great experience!  I'll be getting my pictures developed in the
next few days.  1000-speed film!

Dave K


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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Frank Spinath!  Where are you?
Date: 21 Jul 1997 08:42:49 -0400 (EDT)


Hey Frank!

Myke here!

Your video with additional audio is ready but I cannot read your handwriting
well enough on the envelope you sent me to be 100% certain of your mailing
address.  Please reply to both of my e-addresses below and it'll be on its
way to you ASAP.

Sorry for the delay.

Myke Carter

[e-mail]
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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Chapter 2
Date: 21 Jul 1997 13:24:16 +0000


Hi!  Are you all holding your breath?

Well , turns out the guy was not Ivan, but one of the crew.  I
detached myself from the fence and we went inside to talk to him. He
told Claude that the sound check would be at two, and that everyone
would need to come through the gate at the far end of the field.  It
was 20 past one, and we decided that waiting to see Ivan was more
important than sightseeing or anything else!!!  It was for the good
of the list!!!!  So we returned to the gate to wait.  We saw many of
the band members go through the gate - Hugo among them (what a trip!!
Hugo - you're just a hoot!).

After some time (after 2 and the sound check still hadn't started in
earnest), we heard footsteps behind us, coming from the field to the
area outside the gate where we were waiting.  Claude didn't say a
word, but when I turned around there were two men and a precious
little blonde girl.  The men were both wearing hats and sunglasses,
but I *KNEW*.  My heart was doing cartwheels and my stomach was doing
somersalts - a real Olympic gymnastics routine was taking place in my
internal organs.  I stuck out my hand and said, "Hi I'm Laura Kramer"
or something really erudite like that.  One of the men, the one
without the little girl attached to him, shook my hand and said,
"Nice to meet you.  I'm Ivan."  He introduced himself to everyone
else, and then introduced us to Colin and his daughter Sahara
(everyone look on your copy of The Spell if you have it - the
"Introducing Sahara Sloan - that's Colin's darling little girl!  She
sings a little backup on Forever.  She's about 5 or 6 and just as
sweet as can be!!!).  I hardly recognized Colin in his baseball cap
and sunglasses - they were travelling incognito!

Then, I'm sorry to say, we pounced on Ivan like 4 starving cats on a
mouse.  Please sign this, please can I take your picture, please talk
into the camera and say hi to everyone that couldn't be here.  We
were all wearing our T's, and I had brought a laundry marking pen
with me so that Ivan could autograph my T.  He was very nice about
it, and Trena took some pictures of Ivan signing my back [yes, on the
back - I'm an old married lady, you know!  Plus, I'm very ticklish
;-) ].  Ivan was soooo gracious about signing autographs and posing
to have his picture taken, and he very goodnaturedly let himself be
interviewed by "Super-Camera-Man" Tom.

Some exciting tidbits - Ivan would like to work on another MWH album
in the next year with Colin and Stefan again!  Ivan is talking to
INXS about fronting for them on their tour (which would come to the
US!)!!  Ivan even suggested that some of his PERSONAL PRIVATE stuff
he might consider releasing JUST FOR US!!!

Ivan gave his permission for us to videotape the concert and take
pictures, and very generously asked us if we wanted to stick around
for the sound check.  We all nodded so vigorously we looked like
those silly little animals with springs for necks that people put on
the back ledge in their cars.  Some of the other members of the band
also stopped by - Linda Benoy the backup singer (WONDERFUL voice -
smooth and deep - love it!!  Also a very, very nice and gracious
lady!!!), Hugo Bugg (already mentioned that he's an absolute trip -
I think he's solar powered and turbo charged!!), and our fellow
Tarheel (and is he really Ivan's cousin?  Awesome) Bill Pasch (not
sure on spelling, and I couldn't remember his first name until Claude
said it - thanks!).

Ivan went back to the stage for the sound check and we followed
along like ants at a picnic.  On the way down another man came up to
us and introduced himself as Benoit - I can't remember his last
name, but he is the promoter for the Rock sans Frontieres concert,
if I caught all of that right (anyone correct me please).  He
couldn't believe that we came all the way from the US just to see
Ivan.  He said that we were really dedicated fans, and somewhere
along the line he promoted me to the exalted position of "president
of the fan club."  Benoit reassured us that we could take the video
camera and could pretty much do whatever the heck we wanted as long
as we didn't get in the way, and if anyone gave us any problems
(security guy-types), just to tell the security guys to call Benoit
on their walkie talkies and he (Benoit) would make sure that they
understood we had carte blanche. WOW!  Geez, that sure was a run-on
sentence!

Back to SAS for a minute - my disk stopped whirring and I need to
check stuff...)

;-) Laura


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) pgtw
Date: 21 Jul 1997 19:47:20 +0200 (METDST)


hi fellow hatters,

rummaging through the pages of a collector's guide i found
somebody offering the mwh - pop goes the world cd for about
30 US dollars. i have it already. does anybody if it's worth
that much. does anybody want to have it ? i don't want to make
money out of this, but you have to answer quickly.

i put this on hold for 2 days.

all the best,

frank m. spinath


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Hello, I'm Drew
Date: 21 Jul 1997 14:26:24 -0400 (EDT)



Hello,

I'm brand new to this list. I'm very happy to have found it. My name is Drew
Halloran. I live in NYC.

Bye for now!
-Drew



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From: [e-mail] (will finn)
Subject: Re: (hats) pgtw
Date: 21 Jul 1997 16:41:21 -0500 (CDT)


I saw it here in the used bins for less than 10.00 U.S. dollars, if anybody
wants me too, I can check again to see if they are still there.  ..Will

>rummaging through the pages of a collector's guide i found
>somebody offering the mwh - pop goes the world cd for about
>30 US dollars. i have it already. does anybody if it's worth
>that much. does anybody want to have it ? i don't want to make
>money out of this, but you have to answer quickly.



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From: Vince Silvaggio <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan in Montreal
Date: 21 Jul 1997 18:30:13 -0400


Hey gang!  Just writing to thank:

...Laura for the T's (they're FANtastic)
...Laura, Trena, Dave, Tom, Claude, and Christian for being great people and
for making the concert a special event
...who am I forgetting...oh, yes, and Ivan, Hugo, and Linda for being very
down-to-earth people who were nice enough to take some time for their
fans...GREATLY APPRECIATED!

A la prochaine,
Vince
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Pop goes the World
Date: 21 Jul 1997 22:31:38 -0400 (EDT)


Speaking of the Pop CD, I have found 2 here in Atlanta.  One for $19 and one
for $23.
Let me know if you would like one.

Brad Day
Atlanta, GA


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Photos
Date: 21 Jul 1997 22:30:55 -0400 (EDT)


In a message dated 97-07-21 08:45:22 EDT, you write:

<<  http://people.delphi.com/mykec/hats88.html  <-----  MWH Concert Pix from
1988!  >>

Speaking of which, I got my concert photos back today.  They are great!  I
still don't have the other ones, yet.  The ones from after the concert.

Dave K


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From: [e-mail] (will finn)
Subject: (hats) pgtw cd
Date: 21 Jul 1997 23:29:05 -0500 (CDT)


Hey anyone who may  need PGTW on cd, I found it for 7.99 here in Austin Tx.
I saved for who ever needs it. The place is on line too, it's
www.Technophilia. com.. Hope somebody needs it. Lets keep it in the family.
Sorry about my Tyraid yesterday...I was in a funk!!!! Take care HAtters, Will



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From: [e-mail] (the art dept.)
Subject: Re: (hats) pgtw
Date: 21 Jul 1997 21:41:26 -0700


Hello

PGTW is still in print in Canada, and is available at Sams or HMV or A&B
Sound for well under $20 Canadian ($15 US).  I have seen it in import shops
in L.A. for $20 US.  Arons on Highland has it in stock right now...

Rod
Los Angeles


>I saw it here in the used bins for less than 10.00 U.S. dollars, if anybody
>wants me too, I can check again to see if they are still there.  ..Will
>
>>rummaging through the pages of a collector's guide i found
>>somebody offering the mwh - pop goes the world cd for about
>>30 US dollars. i have it already. does anybody if it's worth
>>that much. does anybody want to have it ? i don't want to make
>>money out of this, but you have to answer quickly.
>




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Subject: (hats) pgtw cd
Date: 22 Jul 1997 08:40:47 +0200 (METDST)


Hi everybody,

thank you for your many replies regarding the overprized mwh pgtw cd.
it was in fact the regular cd and the guy may keep it forever.

greetings,

frank


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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) chapter 3
Date: 22 Jul 1997 08:16:17 +0000


ACK!!  My email had a burp yesterday about 3:00 - they were messing
with the phone lines at work.  Resending this now... (Tues a.m.)

We're up to the Sound Check now, I think!

Tom was filming like crazy, I was snapping photos like mad, and in
between times we were milling around kind of meeting people.  I went
to talk to Colin a little bit, and got his autograph on my shirt as
well - that was very cool!  He even drew a little logo on the back,
and said that The Great Ones Remember was a good quote to have there!
Whew!!

They pretty much went through the whole concert, so we had a "sneak
preview" of what we could look forward to that night.  Trena asked
me (and I later asked Ivan) if Ivan had ever done a concert for 4
people before (not counting Claude who gets to see Ivan more
frequently than we do!).  Ivan thought that was funny (or at least
laughed politely). After the sound check, Ivan met us at the barrier
separating the backstage area from the rest of the field where we
were standing and chatted with us some more.  I reminded him to look
for us at the concert, because I wanted to give him a T-shirt.  He
said he certainly would keep an eye out for us, and would see if he
could get us backstage after the show, too.  COOL!   Ivan seemed
very excited about the stuff we fans were making, and said he'd like
copies of whatever we did.  I offered him a copy of my 3-cd boots
and a kidney if he needed one.  He laughed, then went to rest and
get some dinner before the concert (it was about 3:30, 3:45 by now),
and then Colin came over to talk to us some more.

Tom and Colin got to talking about maybe getting old concerts and
demos that Colin had taped (Tom - give us more techno-details
please!) and Colin looked at Tom very pointedly, smiled broadly, and
said, "Oh, so you want BOOTLEGS?!"  I quickly jumped in and said, "We
prefer to think of them as 'fan-produced'."  Colin laughed and said
he'd see!!!

Then we went left to hit some used CD and record stores, and go to
dinner.  I don't think a single copy of any MWH stuff is left in any
of the stores we visited.  Believe it or not, there was even a used
copy of Spell already in one of the stores (not for long, though, let
me tell you!!!).  Claude told Colin and Ivan about our morning visit
to HMV where I took EVERYTHING they had out, plus some stuff they had
in the drawer underneath.  I overheard someone say that Colin
referred to me as the American distributor for Tox Records (can anyone
confirm?)

We went to dinner at the fondue restaurant where Claude's girlfriend
works (very sweet and nice), and we met up with Francis and Jackie
and their new baby (their two-year-old stayed at home) for dinner.
Francis brought a lot of pictures and stuff with him, and we passed
them around reverently.  Jackie is just as lovely as can be, and the
baby is ADORABLE!  Francis is a hoot, and I'm sorry we didn't get to
spend more time all together.  Like Dave said, though, save
something for the next trip up!  Vince couldn't get off work to join
us for dinner, but he and his friends (Jerry and a very nice girl
whose name I didn't catch - sorry!!!) came by just as we were
getting to dessert.  Then we all separated for a bit so we could
freshen up at the hotel, get some warmer clothes for the nighttime,
and find a store to sell batteries and film.

Stay tuned for Chapter 4!!

;-) Laura


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From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Yvan in Montreal
Date: 22 Jul 1997 11:57:07 +0000


Is it just me. I received a chapter 3 from Laura's trip in Montreal but
no chapter one and two? Is it the way it is suppose to go? Somebody tell
me...

Claude


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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Chapter 4
Date: 22 Jul 1997 13:39:38 +0000


Hi all!  Was everyone waiting with bated breath?

I did send two chapters yesterday ("OK, my turn" and "Chapter 2"),
and tried to send "Chapter 3," which finally got re-sent today.
Anyone who is missing any of the emails, drop me a line... (I already
forwarded them to Claude).

Also, just wanted to let you know that as far as I am concerned, you
may forward the complete text of my email messages about the concert
to anyone you want.  It would be great if everyone could know what
SUPER people Ivan and Colin and Sahara and Linda and Hugo and just
EVERYBODY all are.  I don't know how Lazlo feels about it, since
he's the list owner . . .

OK, so we're about to go to the concert.  We all checked our supplies
and made sure that we had enough film and I got a new battery for my
camera.  We decided that we would park far away and walk the rest of
the way to Olympic Park rather than try to get up close and waste a
lot of time circling the block.  Ivan had told us that they would be
going on at around 10:30.  We parked at 9:45 and just about flat out
RAN to the park, not wanting to miss a second.

We arrived at the park at about 10.   The security guards were
checking backpacks and parcels, and stopped Tom who had the video
camera inside his backpack.  The guards started to tell us that we
couldn't bring the camera in when Claude came to the rescue, and
explained that Benoit said it was OK.  I guess that "Benoit" is
French for "open sesame" because pretty much once we mentioned
Benoit's name we were waved on through.

Our first stop was at the T-shirt stand where I think we all bought
multiple tour shirts.  The tour shirts are black with Ivan's
name/logo (like on the cover of The Spell) in red and white on the
front, and a great cartoon/illustration of a "SuperBadGirl" on the
back.  Apparently, our Renaissance Man Ivan used to also do
cartooning and drawing, and he made the illustration for the back of
the tour T.  As cool as the tour Ts are, even the guys running the
concession thought our MWH fan Ts were even cooler (sorry, Ivan!).

[Brief humorous aside before I return to the concert: while we were
shopping for used CDs and stuff, I was waiting outside for the others
to complete their purchases when an ambulance pulled up to the curb
near where I was.  The medics recognized the logo and wanted to know
where they could get Ts like ours!]

After buying the Ts, we began to walk towards the stage.  Sahara
(Colin's daughter) was walking through the backstage area with her
mom.  She spotted us and waved cheerfully, and her mom looked to see
who she was waving at.  Then she waved, too.  We were all so tickled!
Then as we took our spots right up front (with only a minimal amount
of pushing and shoving), Colin appeared on stage to supervise the
set-up of the synths (I guess that's what he was doing, anyway).  He
was scanning the crowd in front of the stage, and as we were a bit
off to one side, I yelled, "Hi Colin!"  He turned toward us, and when
he caught sight of us he smiled and waved.  That was soooo nice!  I
mean, they had all said that they would look for us at the concert,
and then they REALLY DID!!!

Vince at this point was still standing off to one side with Claude
and Christian, but soon returned to Tom, Dave, Trena, and me and
caught Tom's attention.  Tom went with Vince, and I leaned
precipitously far over the railing trying to see what was going on.
Claude and Tom were talking to Benoit and a security guard, and the
next thing we knew, Tom was on the other side of the barrier!!  He
was going to get to video from INSIDE the stage area!!  Dave yelled,
"He's in!" and the rest of the assembled Hatters cheered.

Finally, the announcer came on to the stage.  He was speaking French,
and mumbled terribly (not even the Montreal folks could understand
him some of the time).  We did catch "internet fan club" so we
cheered and clapped and made a lot of noise.  There were some lights
on us then, and I think a camera, too.  (Can anyone confirm?)  And
then . . .

More to come . . .

;-) Laura


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Ivan
Date: 22 Jul 1997 15:18:57 -0400


Hi, since I would like to make a webpage about Ivan, I would like to receive
info on him anything valuable is welcome. By the way for those who went to
Montreal there is still MWH and Ivan stuff You just have to look a bit
outside of MTL.


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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Chapter 5
Date: 22 Jul 1997 16:00:32 +0000


Are you ready?

THEN . . .

Ivan appeared on stage!!!!

He had been backstage while the announcer was talking, so he didn't
see where we were at first.  He scanned the crowd, looking for us we
hoped, and when he saw us, he smiled!  He didn't wave, because that
would have been uncool, but we felt sure that he saw us and knew
where we were.

He launched right into his set without further preamble, opening with
WWW, which I almost am starting to like [no comments from the peanut
gallery, please, Claude! ;-) ].  Hugo did the "rapper" part, and was
GREAT!  He looked so FUNKY wearing a VERY BRIGHT psychadelic shirt
and jamming behind his keyboards.  Trena and I were afraid that the
synth was going to collapse or crumble beneath Hugo's energetic
performance.   Then, leaving us no time to applaud wildly, Ivan moved
right along into SuperBadGirls (and it really *is* "sleep together,"
btw).  Pretty much Ivan paused for our frantic applause only after he
finished Open Your Eyes.  Then he did the next three songs without
pause (see Dave's and Claude's emails for list).

Then Ivan took a brief break, and when he returned to the stage, he
actually dedicated the *whole second half* of the concert to his
"special friends from the United States."  Again, we did our best to
go berserk, but in an appreciative way, of course!  ;-)   After
Safety Dance, which featured Colin on keyboards and Sahara joining
the interpretive dancers, the band left the stage and the doofy
announcer returned.  The crowd was chanting "Ivan! Ivan!" and the
announcer asked if we wanted Ivan to come back out.  WELL DUH!!!  So
Ivan et al. returned for an encore!  Another 6 or 7 encores would
have been nice, but two more songs was quite generous considering how
much energy Ivan really put into the concert.

PS to Hugo - that was me that screamed out "BUGG!!!" as you were
leaving the stage... ;-)

Afterwards, we were milling about in front of the stage waiting for
the rest of the crowd to disperse when a girl with the tour came over
to us and asked us if we were the people from the States.  I said
yes, and she said she would go make sure that it was still OK for us
to go backstage.  She returned very quickly and escorted us behind
the stage.  And there was IVAN!!  As we all crowded around him
thanking him profusely and telling him what a wonderful concert it
was, I was trying to get my camera off from around my neck.  I have
very long and curly hair, and the clip from the camera strap got
tangled up in my  hair.  So I'm standing there talking to Ivan while
three people are standing behind me trying to get my camera untangled
without snatching me bald!  How embarassing!  But we did get the
camera loose in time to take pictures of me giving Ivan his T-shirt.
Whew!

Then, opening his arms, Ivan said, "Everyone gather around - my
parents want to take a picture of us!"  I turned and saw the crowd
part as if Charlton Heston were standing by, and at the end of this
human Red Sea were Ivan's folks.  I yelled, "Yaaaaay, Betty and
Eugene!!!" and clapped for them, since they have been such an
important influence on Ivan's career and have supported his talents.
Trena said that Betty just beamed with pride, I imagine because her
son had so many dedicated fans that came from so far away to see him.

After Eugene snapped a photo, I asked him if he would also take one
with my camera.  He agreed, but by the time I got back to the rest of
the crowd, Ivan had gone to talk to someone else.  Eugene called out
to Ivan, who jumped back into place at his father's command.   So
Ivan's dad took a picture of us with my camera!!  I REALLY hope that
one comes out!

And as if this wasn't enough . . .

More to come!

;-) Laura



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Subject: (hats) Chapter 6
Date: 22 Jul 1997 16:02:22 +0000


Last one for today!!

After the "photo-op," I asked Ivan, "I know you're probably
exhausted, but would you mind signing at least some of my CDs?"  He
replied, "Sure, no problem."  I said, "I've got an awful lot of them,"
but he smiled and said, "Bring them on!"  Trena unshouldered her
backpack and pulled out my *9* CDs (the 3 boots, PGTW, Sideways,
21stC, F80s3, 2-fer, Spell) and her copy of The Spell, and we handed
Ivan a pen.  He started to laugh, and couldn't believe how many of his
CDs we had.  Then he saw the boots, and started looking at them with
interest.  He called other people over to show them the boots, and
said to them, "Look at these.  THEY made these, my FANS made these!"
He seemed to be very pleased and proud.

During this, one of the crew came over to see the boots, and saw the
huge stack of CDs.  He said to me, "You must be  Ivan's Number One
Fan!"  I said, "No, number 3."  He looked at me in surprise, and I
explained, "Betty and Eugene, and then me!"  Ivan and I knelt on the
grass for probably about 10 minutes while he signed all my CDs.  I
apologised for taking up so much of his time, and said, "It's a good
thing I didn't bring my vinyls or we'd be here all week!"  His reply
was basically (I wish I could remember his exact words, he was so
generous and gracious!!!) that we had come all that way, so he was
happy to sign our CDs.  WHAT A SUPER GUY!!!!

Also during the marathon CD-autographing session, I asked if Colin
were around.  While we were talking that afternoon, he had mentioned
that he didn't even have PGTW on CD.  Well, just so happened that I
had picked up about 4 copies at HMV that morning, so after the
concert, when Colin appeared and asked, "Somebody call me?" I gave him
one of the PGTWs, still in its cellophane.  He laughed and asked me,
"Oooh, would you autograph it?"  I said, "Be happy to, but this guy [I
jerked my thumb in Ivan's direction] is using my pen!"  We all had a
good laugh at that.

Tune in tomorrow for the Grand Finale!!

;-) Laura


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) pictures and stickers
Date: 22 Jul 1997 17:05:42 -0400 (EDT)


Hey hatters

First, I have 2 pictures from our diner in Montreal.  If you are interested
to get a JPG copy, leave me a message.

Second.  At the diner, we discussed about sticker of MWH that I have.  I
think it would be a great idea to reproduce them.  I'm working in a printshop
in barcoding!  I will ask an estimate to my operation director.

If you are interested to get mwh sticker, leave me a message with the
quantity (please minimum is 100). the price should be someting like 5 or 10$
for 100.
I have also the JPEG of the sticker, if you want to see it, just E-mail me!

Ciao

Francis


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) the cd
Date: 21 Jul 1997 19:09:36 -0400 (EDT)


hey, great job by thomas bieler in getting me the 2-for -1 rhythm/folk cd,
sounds great, love the way they reversed the album covers on the sleeve

now if they'd just release peter schilling's first two albums on cd

dan


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From: Gregor Watson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) MONTREAL SHOW REPORT : MUST READ
Date: 21 Jul 1997 17:27:32 +0100


You are so lucky. How much to have it sent to the UK?

Thanks again, you've all done so much for us MWH fans.

Gregor



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From: James Kramer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Weird things happening...
Date: 22 Jul 1997 21:11:02 -0700


Hi to everyone!

I finally made it on to my email at home, and found only some of the
Montreal saga had made it.  Chapter 1, which has the subject line "OK,
my turn," didn't make it to my mailbox until this evening, even though I
sent it from work on Monday. Chapters 5 and 6 came before 4, and 2
hasn't hit yet at all.  But all the stuff made it back to my work email
via the hats list.  Everyone hang in there - I'm sure that everything is
in the ether somewhere.  If 2 hasn't hit my home account by tomorrow, I
will repost that, since I have gotten some email indicating that others
are missing chapters as well.

How bizarre!

Lazlo - any ideas?

;-) Laura


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Successful UK Imports???
Date: 23 Jul 1997 11:29:31 +0100


  Hi all,

  I was just wondering if any UK MWH fans have managed to successfully get
  any of the major chains to import ANY MWH/IVAN stuff on CD?!!!
  ---

  If you have, please let me know so I can try and convince them the same
  way!

  BTW: Oglio mailed me a couple of days ago to say a European deal Re: the 2
  for 1 ROY/F80's CD would be completed shortly.

  Any help much appreciated,

  Dave.
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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Chapter 7
Date: 23 Jul 1997 11:36:34 +0000


Hi everybody!!

Almost to the end...

After the photos and autographs, we all pretty much split off and
talked with various members of the band 1 on 1.  I will let other
tell about who they spoke with, since I more than likely wasn't
there. ;-)

Trena and I spent quite some time talking with Linda Benoy, the
fabulous back-up singer.  She was very pleasant and friendly, and
seemed delighted that we asked for her autograph.  She said she
needed to run home and call her mom and tell her mom that she signed
some autographs!  ;-)  She said that her mom liked Open Your Eyes and
WWW, but that she wouldn't let her mom listen to the whole album
because her mom is a Fundamentalist and probably wouldn't be as
thrilled with, say, Superbadgirls.  ;-)  She said that she had just
updated her CV and was surprised to count up that she had sung backup
with over 75 artists.  I asked, with a twinkle in my eye, of course,
"And Ivan is the nicest of them all, right?"  She said that he
certainly was one of the nicest, if not *the* nicest to work with!
And, as star-struck as us Hatters were, Linda also said that Ivan was
in kind of a daze all afternoon, he was so pleased that he had such
die-hard fans that we came all the way from the States.  That was
really nice to hear - that he was as thrilled to meet us as we were
to meet him.

Then I talked to Colin for a long time, mostly about the list and
what the fans were up to and what we most dreamed about (hint: we
might be able to hear Treblinka and the Winnebago song in the
not-too-distant future.  No promises, but I did put the bug in his
ear!).  Sahara was desperately fighting to stay awake in the family's
minivan, but she had just danced her little heart out on the stage,
and by now it was maybe half past midnight, much past her bedtime.
Colin kept assuring her that he would carry her upstairs himself if
she could fall asleep now - that was really touching!!  Before she
nodded off, however, I asked Colin quietly, "Can Sahara write her
name by herself?"  He said yes, so I asked, "Would it be OK if I
asked Sahara for her autograph on my Spell CD?"  Well, Colin just
broke into a face-splitting grin and said, sure!  He leaned into the
car and said, "Sahara, somebody wants to see you," or something like
that.

Sahara perked up when she saw it was one of those insane American
girls, and I asked her if she would autograph my CD.  She grinned
almost as big as her dad as she took the folder and the pen, and
Colin helped her find a place where the artwork was a light color so
the black ink would show up.  Colin said to me, "You know, Sahara
even sings on the CD."  I said to him, "Yes, I know, that's why I
wanted to get her autograph."  Then I said to Sahara, "And having you
sing on the CD really makes it special."  She had by this time nearly
finished writing her name, started to give me back the CD folder,
then said, "Wait!"  She took the folder back and added a heart above
her name!   Wow!!  I felt really special!!

After that, her dad Colin gave me a VERY SPECIAL souvenir - his
backstage pass!!!!  Sahara's mom seemed kind of surprised that I
rated such an important and special souvenir, since she said that
they all usually save their backstage passes and have a big
collection.  Triple-y special!!!  I have been keeping it in my purse,
and every so often I pull it out to look at it.  I feel like
Cinderella the morning after the ball - her fairy godmother let her
keep the remaining glass slipper so she would know that it wasn't all
just a fabulous dream.

Colin said he really wanted to keep in touch with us fans, so I gave
him my name, address, phone number, and email address.  Hopefully he
will let me know any good news and I can pass it along to everyone.

After that, it was nearing 1 a.m. and we were all just beat.  We
thanked everyone profusely another 5 zillion times and made our
retreat.  HORDES of people associated with the tour stopped us and
asked us if we had gotten everything we wanted - did we want anything
else autographed, could they introduce us to anyone else, did we have
any more questions or want any more pictures of anyone or anything.
Everyone was just SUPER NICE and friendly.  We fairly floated out of
the park and back to my car.  Dave and I even did a nicely
coordinated little rendition of the Safety Dance.

Looking back on the weekend, words fail me - I can barely manage a
feeble WOW!!!!  It was so much more than I could ever have hoped for
or dreamed of - I would have been very content with a "Hi glad you
can make it I'll autograph one thing and pose for one picture thanks
for coming bye."  But Ivan and Colin and everybody were so
down-to-earth and friendly and welcoming, it was a REALLY AWESOME
experience.  The whole drive up from NC, I probably drove Trena nuts
'cos about every hour I'd grip the steering wheel in a panic and say,
"Oh, god, I hope he's not an asshole!"  It would have been
devastating!  I've admired Ivan and MWH for literally HALF MY LIFE,
and it was just such an honor and a privilege to get to meet them and
spend time with them.  Ivan was SOOOO NICE!  He was just as pleasant,
funny, articulate, warm, and open as I had always hoped he would be.

Once again, WOW!

And a REALLY BIG THANKS to
   CLAUDE, Jean-Robert, and Christian for putting up with us
   BENOIT for being our magic genie
and
   IVAN, COLIN, SAHARA, JAQUELINE, LINDA, HUGO, and BILL
      for being everything we had hoped for

Love to everybody, and let's all go to the next one!!!

;-) Laura


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From: "Thomas Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MontrealTom:  Chapter 1
Date: 22 Jul 1997 19:34:44 -0400






 Sorry Guys,

I have to get this out.  We all need to report our Hats info that we learned
in Montreal before we forget. The list must know.

I will stick to the info that I asked about:

The demos:   I asked IVan and Colin a total of 4 times about the ROY demos
(since this is everyone's #1 question on the list).  Colin was the most
talkative about this.   First of all, he said not for any of us to worry,
there will be furture Men Without Hats releases as well as Ivan releases,
simultaneously maybe.   Colin then said that he may be able to get the ROY
demos and ALL other outtakes from all albums to the fans through their own
label.   Both Colin and Ivan hinted that they wanted to release everything,
but couldn't before.   Let me add that me and Colin discusssed the ROY demos
for over 10 minutes.  He was even humming the Rhythm of Youth song at one
point (he loves this one).  He told me a bit about the songs, and he was
sorry that they could not get them out YET.  ROY is very upbeat, he says it
may very well have been the fastest song on ROY if included.  Think "ideas
for walls" and this is what he means by fast, i think.  He says "Treblinka"
is a very beautiful slow and soft kind of a song, softer than even the
beginning of Security, i think.  He likes this one too by the way.  He said
that the version of "Ban the Game" in the Spectrum video is very TRUE to the
original demo version, so we have actually heard that one.  He didn't really
mention "1999" or "Living in China" cause I don't think he personally liked
them as much as the ROY and Treblinka songs.

       It gets better!   He wondered why the people on the list were so
concerned about the ROY demos only?????  He has MANY unreleased albums all
throughout the hats career as well as the ROY demos.  They just couldn't get
the stuff ALL out becasue it wasn't their own label.  He hinted that in one
way or another, him and Ivan may try and get Everything Everything out even
if they have to do it "limited edition" form, just for the die hard fans
(the list).   He really said these words, I am not stretching the truth by
any means.....

There is plenty more!!!  I can't sit here and type 20 pages of text though.

Oh very important!!!!!!    I asked Ivan how all of you can get in contact
with him (as many many of us weren't there).  He said he DOES read ALL of
his Toxrecords linked e-mail address.

We verified this because he DID get Laura's message that she sent him.  They
were laughing about it.  Problem is: he only reads his e-mail about once
every 6 months, then he reads it all at once, so be patient (Ivan says
this).

Did we do good or what???!!!!     :-)

There is much much more that we can tell you about the trip (like typing 20
pages of text, so LAura and Dave and the Montreal gang can continue where I
left off.

Tom


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From: "Thomas Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) video progress #1
Date: 22 Jul 1997 23:01:08 -0400


 you guys need to all send me your snail mail with your requests.    i am
sending out IVAN videos for Dale Platz, Bill Black, Rod, and Brad Hull.  You
guys are getting the first ones because you were the ONLY ones to post a
snail mail address.

I will hold everyone else's place in the line, but send your snail mail now.

Send the $15 US to :

Tom Norman
2593 Osceola Ave.
Columbus, OH 43211
USA

If you are in Europe send $20 US.

There are only 20 people that have responded so far.  I can do this, no
cutoff yet.

Tom
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From: "Thomas Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Weird things happening...
Date: 23 Jul 1997 06:31:56 -0400





>
>Hi to everyone!
>
>I finally made it on to my email at home, and found only some of the
>Montreal saga had made it.  Chapter 1, which has the subject line "OK,
>my turn," didn't make it to my mailbox until this evening, even though I
>sent it from work on Monday. Chapters 5 and 6 came before 4, and 2
>hasn't hit yet at all.  But all the stuff made it back to my work email
>via the hats list.  Everyone hang in there - I'm sure that everything is
>in the ether somewhere.  If 2 hasn't hit my home account by tomorrow, I
>will repost that, since I have gotten some email indicating that others
>are missing chapters as well.
Yes.
My chapters STILL haven't made it through.  I may have to RESEND the message
about Colin's conversation about the ROY demos.
Tom
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Bootleged CDs
Date: 23 Jul 1997 11:58:44 -0400


Hi, I would like to know if it is to late for me to get bootleged CDs, if
not, tell me what I have to do to get them and the cost!!!


                                                                Simon



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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) T-shirts - sorry for clutter
Date: 23 Jul 1997 13:00:13 +0000


hi everyone!

now that I have finished the amazing saga of The Adventures of Women
and Men without Hats in Montreal, I can get back to the T-shirt
thing...

Looks like it's going to be $3 postage for everyone in the US, so go
ahead and start sending checks to

Laura Kramer
3514 West Ten Road
Efland NC 27243-9705
USA

The Spell CD came out to about $17.25 US, so for the folks that got
that, please add that in, too.  I enclosed a "receipt" for all the US
people.

I am *NOT* putting a receipt in the Airmail packages since I marked
the customs declaration "gift/cadeau."  Airmail costs were as
follows:

Brad H - $2.55
Marco H and Henning S - $4.68
Gregor W - $6.36
and Lars W - $8.40

These 5 were sent today, along with Shriekman, Brad D, David H, Bill
B,Chris S, and Brian W.  I will try to get another dozen out
tomorrow, but the packing is taking a lot more time than I thought it
would...

Note to Chris F - don't send me anything yet - I will see what is
left from this first batch, and if there's not what you want, I will
put you in the "reorder" file...

Note to people who didn't order a shirt yet - I *DO* intend to
reorder some more Ts, so if you missed out on the first batch, let
me know soon what T you want (XLW XLO XXLW XXLO).  This printing will
be smaller, so the Ts might be more expensive (no bulk rate discount
like the first time through).

Can't wait until my kitchen is T-free!  Although we do get to go out
to eat since I can't see the stove...

;-) Laura


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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Weird things happening...
Date: 23 Jul 1997 10:21:37 -0600 (MDT)


> My chapters STILL haven't made it through.  I may have to RESEND the message
> about Colin's conversation about the ROY demos.

Just a reminder.  From the list intro message:

> (Please note that Majordomo will check to make sure that you are a list
> subscriber before passing your message to the list -- you should send
> messages from the account you used to subscribe to the list, otherwise your
> mail will be delayed until the list admin can forward it.)

Your messages were delayed for this reason, Tom.

As for the others, one of the machines at xmission suffered through a bad
install of a thread library yesterday, which could have resulted in delays or
lost messages.  Things should be back to normal now.

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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) T-shirts - DUH!
Date: 23 Jul 1997 14:49:28 +0000


I shouldn't ever type when my brain is this tired!

People who are having their T's sent this week - the "receipt" isn't
quite right.  Those costs reflect the T *without* mailing (like for
the ones I took to Montreal with me for Tom, Dave, Vince, and
Francis), so it doesn't include the mailing envelope.   I think
those came out to 35 cents or something like that - please check the
email I sent before I went to Montreal (and wasn't quite so sleep
deprived).

Is everybody confused?  I'm making no sense at all...

Apologies to all!

;-) Laura


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From: [e-mail] (the art dept.)
Subject: (hats) roy at Best Buy
Date: 23 Jul 1997 12:21:49 -0700


Hello.

Unfortunately I deleted the original post regarding the alleged ROY cds at
Best Buy, so I can't reference exactly what was said.  But with a grain of
salt firmly in hand I went to my nearest Best Buy (in West LA) and rummaged
through the TONS of cutout cds they are trying to sell, and found no MWH
items.  I believe the original post said the store clerk looked up MWH on
the computer and said they had the cd.  Well they had to be referring to
the Collection cd, as all the cutouts had a generic bar code sticker, so
would not show up under a search by artist.

Also, as someone who has worked in the music business for 15 years, I have
NEVER seen cutouts that are that old and/or rare.  Cutouts are usually less
than three or four years old, and almost always from major labels.  They
are made when a label over-estimates the number of cds that will be sold on
a new release.  When the cd just sits in the stores it is then returned and
resold to the stores at a substantial discount (usually $1-4).  I can't
imagine they had ANY over runs from MWH...  seriously.

Oh well...  it sounded too good to be true...

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Los Angeles




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From: [e-mail] (Angela Tooley)
Subject: (hats) New to MWH mailing list
Date: 23 Jul 1997 14:24:35 -0400 (EDT)




Hi, everyone! I was surprised to find a forum for lifelong Men Without Hats fans
like myself. But with today's technology I guess anything is possible, eh?
I have been a fan of the group since '83 and have since collected anything
I could get my hands on regarding MWH.  Maybe somebody out there could
help me find a few things, namely, a copy of "Nationale 7", a videotape of
all the MWH's videos, an EP of "antarctica" on the Stiff label, MWH tee-
shirts, a copy of "Sideways", and any and all bootleg videotapes of concerts
by the band. Would somebody please help me?
I have heard with great sorrow that an original member of MWHs has since
passed away. Could anybody tell me why, and where I may pay my respects
to him?
Recently I attended a concert by The Fixx, an '80's band who hit the charts
around the same time as MWHs, and I was surprised at how, 15 years later,
they had all retained their youthful looks.  I have not seen Ivan since
1987 and was wondering, if anybody knows, if he is looking as well as he
did back then.
I would love to hear from any of you who would like to discuss the band and
their contribution to modern music. I am also interested in the band's his-
tory from the musical roots of the brothers D to the present. Please contact
me at this address:  [e-mail]
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From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan's concert
Date: 23 Jul 1997 20:36:39 +0100


OK, I admit it... I'M GREEN WITH ENVY!!!  When he does the UK I'll
report... (fingers crossed!)

Mike (your London connection!)


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From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
Subject: (hats) HI EVERYONE!
Date: 23 Jul 1997 04:42:44 -0500


I sure was glad to find the MWH mailing list!  It's such an excellent chan=
nel through which we fans can communicate!  I've actually been on the list=
 for the past couple of weeks, sorry for the delayed intro.  I tend to do =
more reading than talking.  A million thanks to Laura Kramer, Tom Norman, =
and others who went to the Montreal show for detailing their adventure to =
the list.  Getting to meet the legendary IVAN  must have been a memorable =
experience indeed!  My interest in MWH all got started with, you guessed i=
t, "The Safety Dance" back in '83.  When I first heard it, I immediately s=
ensed something very unusual and special about the band.  Since then, I've=
 collected everything by MWH I can find.  I was really surprised by just h=
ow many people there are on this list, as we hats fans seem to be somewhat=
 rare.  Most people don't seem to have ever even heard of MWH!  Rather str=
ange, considering that this band has produced some of the most creative, r=
hythmically superior songs in history!  I guess we fans must truly be a se=
lect breed able to hear things that go way over most heads!=20=20
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Subject: Re: (hats) HI EVERYONE!
Date: 23 Jul 1997 21:49:10 -0400


>I sure was glad to find the MWH mailing list!  It's such an excellent
channel through which we fans can communicate!  I've actually been on the
list for the past couple of weeks, sorry for the delayed intro.  I tend to
do more reading than talking.  A million thanks to Laura Kramer, Tom Norman,
and others who went to
Welcome to the list!

>rhythmically superior songs in history!  I guess we fans must truly be a
select breed able to hear things >that go way over most heads!

True!  Even his songs on his solo CD are difficult to understand.  :)  Is
"Open Your Eyes" a song about desperation?

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Subject: (hats) O.Y.E.
Date: 23 Jul 1997 08:53:08 -0500


> True!  Even his songs on his solo CD are difficult to understand.  :)  I=
s
> "Open Your Eyes" a song about desperation?

I can see how some elements of the song can be interpreted that way, but o=
n the whole, I'd say "Open Your Eyes" is more of a reference to "taking th=
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en together.  It's a good song.=20=20=20

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From: Carl <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan Live Report
Date: 23 Jul 1997 19:30:49 +0000


Did anyone get Ivan to sign one of Oglio's new 2 for 1's? I'd be curious
to hear his reaction to it.

Carl at Oglio


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From: [e-mail] (will finn)
Subject: (hats) MWH CD'S!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 24 Jul 1997 00:01:51 -0500 (CDT)


Hello To All Mad Hatters,
    I feel like I'm going insane, but I know it's just a bad case of
"hatter's blues", for NO ONE has giving me an answer to where I can get the
2 for 1 cd or bootlegs or ANYTHING!  I've sent countless msg's to Laura, and
others on the list who had rec'd one of these and Russ did tell he "had" one
but sold it.
Oh God, why have thou forsaken me!!!! (and it's not because of me being GAY)
or is it? Whatever!.... you are what you are, I believe in "hereafter" and
hope to be there in the "end of the world" w/ all my dearest friends!
Miracle of miracles, please send me an address to the one who holds the
sacred "hats" cd's or let me die...(geezus! are we dramatic or what?). I've
been celibate(man, my sp. sure sucks though) for three long agonizing years,
only my vast music collection helps to ease the pain, but oh, to be able to
put that one cd...you know the one....(actually there's several but one will
do). Oh alright already, I pay that man his hefty fee for those
bootlegs!!!!Somebody must be doing Something!(a quote from AbFab). Ok, it's
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Subject: (hats) The Spell
Date: 24 Jul 1997 08:37:35 -0400


Hi everyone, I nevber imagine I would send so much messages when I joined
this list, sorry for the ones I bug, but since I'm not completely bilangual,
could someone send me the lyrics of some or all the songs on The Spell???


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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) The Spell
Date: 24 Jul 1997 09:24:03 +0000


Hi Simon and everybody!

> Hi everyone, I nevber imagine I would send so much messages when I joined
> this list, sorry for the ones I bug, but since I'm not completely bilangual,
> could someone send me the lyrics of some or all the songs on The Spell???

just a reminder, that most of the lyrics to The Spell can be found at
Ivan's page at the Tox Records site -

http://www.toxrecords.com/ivan/index.htm

Have fun!

See everyone in Toronto 8/2?  Anyone with details, please post!!!

;-) Laura


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Subject: (hats) 8/2
Date: 24 Jul 1997 10:20:53 -0400


>See everyone in Toronto 8/2?  Anyone with details, please post!!!

He's coming back in August?? :)
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Subject: (hats) 2 FOR 1
Date: 24 Jul 1997 12:04:22 -0400 (EDT)


NO.....I dont have one either.......BUt, I too cannot understand why no one
will post where people can find them......

Isnt this list supposed to help other hats collectors and fans?

Please......help.  Does anyone know where someone can find the 2 for 1 CD???

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From: Jeff Schachter <[e-mail]>
Date: 24 Jul 1997 12:18:53 -0400 (EDT)


Hi!

Oglio Records released the 2-for-1 in Europe only.  It can be obtained mail
order from companies in Europe, or through a friend who lives there.  A while
back one of the list members from Germany (Thomas Bielerts) worked with Laura
Kramer to send a bunch of copies back to North America.

A FAQ file with answers to these types of questions would be great... but I'd
bet everyone is too busy to compile one.

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From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Again and again
Date: 24 Jul 1997 12:26:31 +0000


Salut les crochet=E9s...

After reading for x time the same question about the 2 for 1, I got an
idea. Why don't we put toghether a F.A.Q. about Ivan and Men Without
Hats? I think that if we all work toghether we could make something
pretty neat. I would be willing to program and host the thing. Any other
suggestions? reactions?

Every major artists have a F.A.Q. section, why not MWH?

J'attend des r=E9actions

Claude

(I would do it by myself, but I at least need help from someone to go
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From: "Anthonetta Nel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MWH in South Africa
Date: 24 Jul 1997 09:21:00 GMT+2



Hi there,

My name is Anthonetta.
I am staying in Boksburg, its very close to Johannesburg one of the
capitals of South Africa.  I am on the list for about a year now.
I am very quite manly because my English is not of the best. I am
Afrikaans speaking.  It is a language allot like Dutch.

I am 29 years old and doing PCB designing for about 10 years now.
My husband Eugene is turning 30 in September and is a Electronic
Technician, he  is even a bigger fan of MWH than me  that's why I
joint the list in the first place because he was looking for just 1 CD
of MWH a year ago. We couldn't find 1 CD in South Africa after years
and years of searching.  We only had a tape of Rhythm of Youth.
Thanks to this list he had collected a few CD now.
I also have a daughter of 6 years old and waiting for the next one
to be born any moment know and 2 dalmatian dogs.

 I  just want to say I envy all off you that could go to MWH concert.
Please MWH come to South Africa!!!!  That would make our year.

Just to ease the pain we are going to Erasure' s concert on the 29th
of July.

Thanks to all for the list and all the people like Laura, Tom and
Carl from Oglio who helped us to obtain some of the MWH CD's.

Thanks again.

Anthonetta Nel
Equipment Engineer
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From: Jeff Schachter <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MWH around the world
Date: 24 Jul 1997 13:00:35 -0400 (EDT)



>My name is Anthonetta.
>I am staying in Boksburg, its very close to Johannesburg one of the
>capitals of South Africa.  I am on the list for about a year now.

Hi Anthonetta!

Nice to hear from you!

I wonder... has anyone been keeping track of the different countries/continents
that MWH fans writing in to the list are from?  This would be a neat addition
to the FAQ file.

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From: "Trena Brantley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Again and again
Date: 24 Jul 1997 14:13:14 +0000


Hello all!

Just thought I'd make a quick little intro for myself . . .  Well,
I'm this Trena person who works with Laura in hell, er, oh no, I mean
TOPS.  Up till now I've been following the hats info through Laura,
but after seeing Ivan and the guys this past week and after meeting
Tom, Dave, Vince, Claude, Francis, and others (big wave and grin to
all!) involved in the list and after travelling 2,000 miles by way of
Laura's nice new partyvan, I felt driven to "officially" join.

I've been a hats follower for a long time.  Finally saw them in '88
opening for Icehouse in a small theater on the NC State University
campus.  Although the place was less than half full, MWH were so
awesome live that I nearly single-handedly bludgeoned the security
guys who would not let us dance--let alone stand by our seats.  I had
gone to the concert to see Icehouse and because the show was not
publicized (at all!), I had no idea about any opening act.  Imagine
my suprise . . . two of my faves at once!

I must also add that Ivan's concert (and getting to meet EVERYONE)
far exceeded my expectations. As Laura's already shared with you, they
were all so cool and so gracious and down to earth.   These guys made me
proud to be a fan.

Claude mentioned earlier that he's interested in working on a FAQ.
And he mentioned...
> (I would do it by myself, but I at least need help from someone to go
> over my poor english!!!!)

Well, I must say that Claude's English is not very poor, but my
French certainly is!  Although you can't probably tell by my hasty
e-mail, I'm an editor and writer and I'd be glad to help in any way I can.

Now I'm back to work . . .
Trena

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From: Dave Mattingly <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) FAQ
Date: 24 Jul 1997 14:21:31 -0400


I'll also help. I can give history about the list itself.

Dave Mattingly
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From: [e-mail] (the art dept.)
Subject: Re: (hats) 2 FOR 1
Date: 24 Jul 1997 11:37:06 -0700


Hello.

As far as the 2fer I got mine from this guy in Germany:

Thomas Bieler <[e-mail]>

It ended up costing about $27 which is very annoying since they are made in
Redondo Beach (about a half hour from where I live) and retail for $15.98
but they are not allowed to sell them to anyone in North America.  Anyway,
Thomas bought a whole case or something for everyone on the list.  He might
have extras.

I am sorry that no one responded to your request for info.  It sems like
every week or so someone new joins up and always has the exact same
question:  Where can I get ROY/FO80s?  and I guess we've all gotten tired
of answering it.  I know Thomas usually answers people but he is on
vacation so is probably either unsubscribed or just missed your post.

Good luck.

Rod
Los Angeles

>NO.....I dont have one either.......But, I too cannot understand why no one
>will post where people can find them......
>
>Isnt this list supposed to help other hats collectors and fans?
>
>Please......help.  Does anyone know where someone can find the 2 for 1 CD???
>
>Thanx
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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) anyone seen the Montreal concert?
Date: 24 Jul 1997 16:03:11 -0400


That is, the Freeways tour!  Has anyone from this list gone to that concert
back then?  How was the atmosphere?

Also, I like the idea about the FAQ list.  If it hasn't been suggested
already, a french version should also be written (well obviously!).

On the topic of where did the 2-4-1 go.....

>NO.....I dont have one either.......BUt, I too cannot understand why no one
>will post where people can find them......
>
>Isnt this list supposed to help other hats collectors and fans?

Don't worry, we aren't being mean or cruel.  I guess when it comes to
mailing lists, the subscribers tend to think someone else will reply to a
question :)

Well, one place you can try is http://www.cdnow.com or
http://www.cdconnection.com or better yet, the record label!
http://www.oglio.com.

The above might work but keep in mind the CD is not available for sale in
North America.


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From: "Thomas Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) chapter 3
Date: 24 Jul 1997 18:01:14 -0400





>Hi Dave!
>
>Man, you *REALLY* need to go to Toronto!  Tom and I are both planning
>on flying, and I sure could use a ride to/from the airport!  ;-)
[e-mail]) >;-) Laura
NO NO!
I am not flying, but driving!!!!    Where did you get that Laura?  I am only
8 hours away.  You read your own post I think.  Me and Dave are driving
together, I think.
Maybe I can return the favor and pick you up this time :-)

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From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) MWH around the world
Date: 24 Jul 1997 21:24:49 +0000


Jeff Schachter wrote:
> I wonder... has anyone been keeping track of the different countries/continents
> that MWH fans writing in to the list are from?  This would be a neat addition
> to the FAQ file.

I started a few months ago to collect names, country and age of everyone
on the list. As I see, it's far from complete! (I have 48 names). If you
want, I could put the list online with links to everybodies e-mail (and
personal sites). If some of you are interested, just forward me your
name, country (city would be nice), age, why you like MWH and (optional)
what kind of service you're able to provide for other fans...

Is that a deal?

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From: James Kramer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ts plus a note to everyone
Date: 24 Jul 1997 19:50:44 -0700


Attention all T-shirt orderers:

All packed and ready to go!  Folks can start sending money.  Each
person's order fit into one envelope, so costs are (please do the math
yourself, or I will charge you my consulting rate on top of everything
else, and I don't think you can afford me):

XLW - $8.49 each
XLO and XXLW - $9.55 each
XXLO - $10.61 each
Spell CD - $17.25 each

PLUS $3.34 for the envelope and postage

Chris F, Chris H, and Bill P - you're on the re-order list - don't do
anything now.

Mike B and Anthonetta N - I'll let you know the total damages including
postage after I go to the post office tomorrow. Anthonetta, your other
CD is $6.14.

Myke C - got your disc; it was $18.75 U.S.

Jeff H - changed your order as you requested


The following is for everybody:

A concerned fellow hatter warned me to see the color of your money
before I mailed anything. This hatter has seen other people get burned
on other lists, so let's show our fellow hatter that this list is
different and special! I appreciate this hatter's concern, but I wrote
back that with the other two distributions I have done (with much bigger
$$$ involved as well) I have not been screwed over by *anyone* on this
list.

I am not the only one putting my faith in my fellow hatters - Tom N,
Thomas B, Francis, and many others are all involved in fan-produced
materials, and I think all of us have had positive experiences (even if
some reinforcements took a long time).

The reason that we have so many cool things being produced by so many
different people is that we are one big special family.  Let's keep this
going and not become "disfunctional" like the other lists that the
concerned hatter mentioned.

Off my soapbox now...

Remember to send T-shirt orders to this address, not to the list or my
work address!  [e-mail]

;-) Laura (not-Jim)


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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Toronto
Date: 25 Jul 1997 08:43:55 +0000


Hi Hatters!

I said
> << See everyone in Toronto 8/2?  Anyone with details, please post!!! >>

Then TXhoedown said
> Is there going to be another Ivan concert on 08/02 that people are planning
> to attend?

Yep!  I'm about to pick up the phone and make my plane reservation
now - there's no way I can drive that far again so soon.

I'm going to do a "Tom" and fly in Saturday and leave Sunday.

Tom N - I will send you my flight info soon; and I will let you and
Dave K book the hotel this time.  I don't think Trena will be able
to make it, though.  :-(

Any Toronto folks on the list - PLEASE start looking in the
newspapers and stuff for when/where/how much the concert is and post
back to us SOON!!!

See everyone in Toronto!!

;-) Laura

PS in my post last night, about us being one big happy family, I
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From: "Trena Brantley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) My mom's a fan now!!!
Date: 25 Jul 1997 10:08:37 +0000


(I just had to share this little story with you guys.)

My mom dropped by my house on Monday to pick up some of the
souveniers I bought for her in Montreal.  She asked what kind of
music MWH plays and I tried to explain, using "Safety Dance" as a
prime example because I figured that one was played enough in the
early 80s for her to remember.  I also played some of The Spell
for her (she liked the ones I played, BTW, which were
"Superbadgirls," "Open Your Eyes," and "You").   I didn't have time
to play anything else b/c she had to leave.

Mom called me from work this morning to say she heard a song called
"Safety Dance" on the radio and she really liked it a lot.  She'd
waited to see if they told the name of the band, but they never said,
but she said that she recognized that it was Ivan (from listening to
some of The Spell on Monday) thanks to his wonderful voice!

So now my mom's a fan, too!

later guys,
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From: Vince Silvaggio <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) RE:  Freeways concert in Montreal
Date: 24 Jul 1997 19:51:15 -0400


In response to Daniele Rossi's question, I went to the Montreal Freeways
concert held at the Old Port in 1985.  BTW, this was NOT the free concert
given at the Spectrum to which some of us have the bootleg.  As for the
atmosphere, it was NOT like the atmosphere I remembered from the FOTE's
concert two years prior.  The latter was energetic from the start to the
finish, with people literally dancing in their seats.  (Aside:  I talked a
friend into coming with me, only to find my friend sleeping there beside me
in the middle of concert.  I can assure you, he was the ONLY one!  I still
don't understand how anyone can sleep with loud music blaring in the
background...)

The Freeways concert gave out weird vibes.  The crowd was generally not
receptive to MWH's harder edge (i.e. more guitars, hell's angel-like garb,
etc.) In the middle of the first few songs, I remember hearing grumblings in
the crowd, and I developed a sincere fear that our boys would have a very
tough night ahead of them.  Then...

Then, MWH started to play the songs the crowd was impatiently waiting to
hear:  Ban the Game, I Like, I Got the Message, Where do the Boys Go, and,
of course, the Safety Dance.  All was forgiven.  The mood was joyous again,
and I remember sighing in relief.  It felt like an experiment.  It was like
a movie with its conflict and ensuing denouement...

Anyways, hope that answers your question.  To Tom:  you still can't have my
Freeways shirt!

Till next time,
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Subject: (hats) TORONTO
Date: 25 Jul 1997 13:18:24 -0500


I live in Toronto (downtown) and can help anyone coming down for the
show .
('specially Tom, Laura and  <'cross the ocean' Mike) I will post as soon
as I have details on the venue and time.
A note to Tom... Ill call you tonight  (when will you be home?)
A note to Mike - just got back into town- recieved your note -- I ll
email tonight
Oh... Francis.. Im in Montreal On Sat Aug 2nd and Sun 3rd... lets meet
up!!!

Looking forward to meeting you's!

Wolfgang
Toronto, Canada


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) MWH STICKERSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 25 Jul 1997 13:25:07 -0400 (EDT)


Hey Hatters,

My minimum order for the MWH sticker is 5 000.  It will cost around 300$ to
produce them, I'm waiting the estimate.

PLease respect a minimum order of 100, unless I will have stickers until I
DIE!!!!.

SOOOOO, the only confirmation I have is from TOM NORMAN!!!!

What about the rest of you, are you interested or not.

SIZE:  2 inches circonference

you want to see them, I will send you a PCX file, E-mail me

ciao

Francis


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From: Dave Mattingly <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Pictures online
Date: 25 Jul 1997 14:13:16 -0400


Two of the pictures from the Montreal trip are on my website, at
http://www.geocities.com/soho/5953/dmnet.html

Dave Mattingly



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From: Carl <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) MWH STICKERSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 25 Jul 1997 11:16:10 +0000


I still have some stickers left over from promotion of the Collection.
If anyone is interested just send a SASE and I'll send you a half dozen
or so.

They are probably not as cool as the new ones Francis is planning but
they are free!

Carl at Oglio


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From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Who's on the list
Date: 25 Jul 1997 18:12:36 +0000


Hi everybody!

I did it. To have access to the member list go to
http://ww.total.net/~gigarpus/whoswho_mwh.html

Please keep this address for internal use only (at least for now). So no
link from your home page. All the people listed without an e-mail
address didn't asked to be put there. So let's give everybody a chance
to tell me if they want to be part of that thing or not. In one month, I
will automaticaly remove all those who did not reply to this message.
Keep the entry coming in. Suggestions, more complete informations and
corrections are warmly welcomed...

Claude (who need sleep)


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Sticker strikes again
Date: 25 Jul 1997 18:28:31 -0400 (EDT)


Sorry for my BAD ENGLISH!!!!

I wrote:  Minimum order 5000
and I wrote MINIMUM order 100

Explanation:

Minimum order to go on production: 5000 (all of them)

Minimum order to you hatters : 100

I don't have the price yet but it will be something like 5 to 8$ per 100...

Ciao

Francis


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From: [e-mail] (will finn)
Subject: (hats) Hello and thanks!
Date: 25 Jul 1997 18:01:05 -0500 (CDT)


Hey all you wonderful folk of the 90's. Thanks to Laura, Tom and a slew of
other kind folk for helping me out and for being so kind to welcome me.
Sorry Myke for our sour re-encounter, I'm sure you're perfectly nice person
even if you do like Rush Limbaugh! Some of my best friends are Christians!I
wish I could be so sure!
Thanks to everyone for being so understanding to my dramatic flare up and
out -ing myself and all! And yes Laura I adore Monty Python, nudge nudge
wink wink!
Here's some other crazy stuff "I Like", campy Sci-fi, Lost in Space, Adams
Family (tv), Jurassic anything, Annie Lennox, Sparks, erasure! See I am NUTZ!
Say hello and wave goodbye (all in good time my pretties!) Love Ya!- Will
P.s. Has Ivan ever done "A ring of Fire" by Johnny Cash, I know Wall of
Voodoo did, HE should just for the fun of it!.....as the beat goes
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From: "Hugo Bugg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Toronto show Canceled
Date: 25 Jul 1997 19:21:08 -0400


It appears that Kingswood has bailed on the "Energy Fest" and therefore the
show on August 2nd (which Ivan is billed for) is canceled.

Call Kingswood (Canadas Wonderland) and give them hell!

Bugg


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From: Carl <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) MWH STICKERSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 25 Jul 1997 16:56:35 +0000


Oops I forgot to give you the address for the free stickers!

Oglio MWH Stickers
PO Box 404
Redondo Beach CA 90277

Carl at Oglio


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From: [e-mail] (Jupiter Eight)
Subject: (hats) Re: The new video
Date: 25 Jul 1997 22:26:58 -0400


Well...I got the new video of the Ivan concert. Looks like everyone had
quite a bit of fun. Now would everyone identify themselves (and the wild
ape man on keyboards) for me?

Rod


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From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) mp3 MWH Site
Date: 25 Jul 1997 23:34:17 -0700


Instead of having all these people trying to make all these bootlegs of
rare stuff I was thinking we could make and MWH Archive in mp3 format.

I have my own T-1 and Server that we could use. The web site would be
open to everyone on this email list.

All those that want to participate please email me. I dont want to have
stuff on the archive that you can still buy (Collection, Ivan, ETC.) but
the purpose of the mp3 site would be to preserve and share the rare and
no longer in print songs from MWH.

For those dont know about mp3s they are almost CD quality file formats
that are 12 times smaller than it would be if it was just a wave. One
song is usually 4 megs or so. If you dont know how to make mp3s and
would like to know email me (MAC or PC).

I love Men Without Hats and lets Share the rare and out of print stuff!

-Richard Holdman
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) I got my shirt!
Date: 26 Jul 1997 01:48:57 -0400 (EDT)


Laura and all:

Got my shirt today, and it was all I could do not to wear it to work!
 Beautiful, great, and left me kicking myself that I missed Ivan live!

To anyone who didn't pick one up the first time around, i heartily recommend
picking one up the second order!

Thanks again to Laura for taking this on!  The check is in the mail ;)

GREG


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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Knock It Off
Date: 26 Jul 1997 08:39:45 -0400 (EDT)


First off Will, this list does not need your misinformed, stereotypical
crap being sent to it.

> Sorry Myke for our sour re-encounter

If anybody's sour about anything, you are.
I have no idea what you're even talking about.

> I'm sure you're a perfectly nice person even if you do like Rush Limbaugh

This kind of commentary is completely unnecessary in the hats list.
You make yourself out to be a rude fool when you say trash like that.
You base your views on propagandistic misinformation and the good people
of this list don't need to be subjected to your ill-informed ranting.
Keep this kind of email private.  I do not define myself as a Rush Limbaugh
follower and your attempt to make me appear here as if I do is low grade.

> Some of my best friends are Christians!

Give me a break.

Your hatred for Christianity (note that I didn't say Christians) is
again not something that needs to be discussed in this forum.
I don't like adding my own comments about this in this forum yet you
attacked me here and I am writing in my defense.  Do not add more to
this thread unless it's ...Hats related.

Neither Rush Limbaugh, Christ nor I have anywhere near the contempt
for you and your lifestyle as you have for me and mine.  I do not appreciate
your efforts to publicly criticize my character.

Myke


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Knock It Off
Date: 26 Jul 1997 20:05:45 -0400 (EDT)


Thanks Myke for saying what I was thinking!

Ray


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From: "Eric W. Soderblom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Stickers
Date: 27 Jul 1997 01:19:52 -0700


Francis-
Sorry to mail this to the entire list, but I lost Francis' E-Mail =
address :-(
I am interested in the stickers.  If it will be less than USD$10, I will =
find something to do with 100 of them!
Eric

To All-
I agree with Myke.  I won't ramble on about it, but..... Bill, you have =
been a lame fundamentalist since day one!  Join the DCTalk list or =
something!


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From: [e-mail] (will finn)
Subject: (hats) my comments....
Date: 27 Jul 1997 04:14:06 -0500 (CDT)


I would like to take a moment here to one, Apologize Myke for making what
some have said to be slanderous remarks on the list. I am guilty of over
reacting to this mans viewpoints and they should not be miscontrued or bare
any ill will. Two, I wish to apologize to the others who found this
distasteful and uncalled for. I can not and will not dislike or harbor
ill-feelings to anyone who is a MWH's fan no matter how "different" they
are. The gay thing was meant to be nothing more than a pathetic joke to
those who may have a dramatic nature...
I wish No ONE Harm or insult. If you wish to ask me why or what brought me
to these conclusions please do so privately and not on the Hats line. I
agree with everyone that this shouldn't be discussed on the Hats site, and I
will ask Myke to bury the hachet if at all possible! I love the message of
Christ< only wish I could truely believe it with all my heart, please
letthis be more than pumped up amebaes in some cosmic soup!! Sincerely, Will
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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) geoIvan!
Date: 26 Jul 1997 22:11:01 -0400 (EDT)


This might be getting a bit specialized, but I'm a big Commodore 128/64
enthusiast so bear with me - and hopefully if anyone else in here is too
you can enjoy this with me.

Gloria Estefan is on record saying she first realized she'd become famous
when she heard a muzak version of one of her songs playing while she was
visiting her gynecologist.  Well, my story isn't quite as impressive as
that but...

I just scanned the cover of "The Spell" and the inside photo of those
most gorgeous of all boogie shooz and converted them to Commodore GEOS
(geoPaint) format.  If you have a Commodore 128 or a 64 and run the
GEOS operating system through it's chips from time to time, you might
just want to download these files from my site at:

http://people.delphi.com/mykec/zgeosart.htm

You know you've made it big when you can be seen even on a Commodore!

Yo my man, I-van!

Myke


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From: Saul Hazan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) my comments....
Date: 27 Jul 1997 11:55:43 +0100 (BST)


> The gay thing was meant to be nothing more than a pathetic joke to
> those who may have a dramatic nature...

Well take it from this gay (Jewish!) man, it wasn't funny.

Can we now stop pandering to Will's self obsession and get back to the
fun?

By the way - Laura - you sent me an email a while back ... which I
received today but only 20% or so of it came thru!  God knows what
happened.  If you still have it on your pc, can you resend it?  Cheers.

Saul

Saul Hazan.
London, UK. ([e-mail])
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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Dear Will,
Date: 27 Jul 1997 10:36:36 -0400 (EDT)


Your apology is accepted.

Don't feel that you have to leave the list now or that your posts aren't
welcome - if you're thinking either of these right about now.

You don't have to hide your homosexuality.  My whole point about it is
simply that it's not something worth building a huge ad campaign upon
either.
There is no hatchet to bury.

Myke

Tolerance < > Indifference


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Fine Outerwear
Date: 27 Jul 1997 14:22:12 -0400 (EDT)


Laura and List Members,

Received my incredible shirt Saturday.  I can't decide if I want to wear it
or save it as a keepsake.  It is so white and the colors are so stark!!!!!!
 I would love to have a high quality glossy poster of just that image...Any
ideas...?  Anyone...?

Brad Day
Atlanta, GA

PS Check is happily in the mail, Madam Kramer....


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Stickers, labels, call them that you want!
Date: 27 Jul 1997 18:24:49 -0400 (EDT)


Hey Hatters.

Wow thank you for reponding all of you.  I have now 13 persons who want 1900
mwh sticker.

Some of you saw  the stickers in Montreal, so you know they are nice

I should have the exact price, I have also the list of everybody who want it.

Laura >   You don't want any??? I didn`t receive your name!!!!

ciao

Francis


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From: "Eric W. Soderblom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Oops!  :-)
Date: 27 Jul 1997 15:32:19 -0700


To all-
When I got involved in this whole Myke v. Will thing, I thought that =
Myke was talking about William Black.  I have already apologized to Will =
Finn and am sorry for defaming him here.=20

-Eric

P.S.  I REALLY hope that this doesn't turn into a whole big thing on the =
list like a couple of months ago when everyone was wound up on the whole =
religious thing.  That was annoying.  Maybe we should send private =
E-Mails to those we wish to discuss religion, politics, seafood, =
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From: Saul Hazan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Dear Will,
Date: 28 Jul 1997 01:07:39 +0100 (BST)


Dear All,

As I have already said to Will, sadly irony doesn't travel too well over
the Internet.

My intention had been to 'flame' Myke, *not* to upset Will.  I thought
using humour would make the point.  British humour has always be at
it's best when using heavy sarcasm --sadly, I'm no John Cleese!  I
just can't write the stuff.  Instead it fell flat and I'm left with
egg all over my face.

Will; please accept my most sincere apologies for causing you distress and
for making a total asshole out of myself at the same time.

Myke; I've already made my feelings clear to you in a private email.  I
can say nothing more than this;  refering to your recent email to the list
- on behalf of the whole gay community, I express sincere gratitude that
you allow us to exercise our right to free speech.  Your Majesty is too
kind.

Saul

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Folk of the 80's (Part III)
Date: 27 Jul 1997 22:13:00 -0400 (EDT)


Just for general information_

I found a copy of Folk III on vinyl for 6 bones at a local record store, if
anyone is interested, i can pick it up, seeing as how so many other people
have been so helpful in the quest to acquire MWH stuff.....let me know.



I would have bought it, but i already have 2 copies...and that was the only
MWH thing i could find....Laura, did you buy all the MWH stuff in Columbia as
well.

[e-mail]
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Dear Will,
Date: 28 Jul 1997 07:56:29 -0400 (EDT)


When I joined the MWH list, I thought it meant "Men Without Hats" NOT "Men
With Hostility".  STOP!!!!!!!!! and get back to what this list is supposed to
be about!

Ray


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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Toronto show Canceled
Date: 28 Jul 1997 08:15:13 +0000


Hi Hatters!

Hugo Bugg said...
> It appears that Kingswood has bailed on the "Energy Fest" and therefore the
> show on August 2nd (which Ivan is billed for) is canceled.
>
> Call Kingswood (Canadas Wonderland) and give them hell!

First, apologies to any who might be offended by the following
outburst:
d*mn d*mn d*mn d*mn d*mn d*mn d*mn

Second, if anyone *has* the phone number for Kingswood, I would be
*delighted* to let them have an earful (sans asterisks, even!).

Oh well, Delta said that I can use my ticket some other time and
they'll give me credit for all but $50 of it.  So Hugo, keep us
posted and let us know "where do the boys go"  . . .

Fiddlesticks!!!

;-) Laura



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From: Dave Mattingly <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Concert Video
Date: 28 Jul 1997 10:51:32 -0400


Thank you very much, Tom!

The video is great. It's like really hanging out with Ivan. Chatting
with him beforehand and getting autographs. The sound check/private
concert. And the concert itself is great! The lights, the smoke/fog, the
dancing girls, etc. and IVAN!

It was weird, though, that the keyboard player was more energetic and
expressive than the dancers!

The rest of you are going to be thrilled when you get the video.

Dave Mattingly


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From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MWH mp3 music Archive
Date: 28 Jul 1997 10:08:33 +0000


I am passing all this information to those people that want to help
build the Men Without Hats Archive.

We are going to do audio only files for right now (If you have Video
MPEG2 that you would like to be on the page send me a message)

First of all you will want to download a mp3 player. The best one
(and its free) is located at http://winamp.lh.net/ (mac mp3s players
can be found at macamp.lh.net) This player will allow you to play mp3
files on your computer.

Making mp3 files are pretty simple once you know how to do it. It can
though be a time consuming process (usually I convert all mine at
night while I am sleeping) it can up to 40mins a song.

For a very detailed explanation of how to make a mp3 and what
programs to use visit
http://www.msaka.com/port6667/mpeg3.htm

Programs for making mp3s can be downloaded at
http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~iman/mp3/
(Scroll down to the bottom of the page)

After you file is converted to mp3 the file size will be around 4meg
(Depending on how long the song is)

If you want to help contribute to the Archive please start encoding
songs to mp3s (To encode records you will first need to sample it
into your computer will some kind of audio program)

We want everysingle RARE and out of print song that is out there.

After you have some mp3s made email me and I will tell you how to get
them ontot he archive.

the MWH archive will be located at
www.holdman.com/mwh
(You can go there now and see my RAD menwithout hats picture disc :)

-Richard Holdman


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Video Collection
Date: 28 Jul 1997 12:10:51 -0400 (EDT)



I'm sure that this has been brought up many times, but i am new so I don't
know. Is there a collection of all the videos done by MWH and Ivan? If so,
how could I get one?

I appreciate your help.

Thanks!
-Drew



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From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Forget to Mention
Date: 28 Jul 1997 10:34:57 +0000


I Forgot to mention something about the mp3s

A really good encoder that converts WAV files into MP3 can be
had at http://www.holdman.com/mp3hc

This program is freeware


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From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MP3 MWH Page
Date: 28 Jul 1997 11:04:26 +0000


A few people have been wondering what settings to use when encoding
their stuff.

All songs should be encoded at
128 kbit/s stereo @ 32,     44.1,  48 kHz

Be careful because the default (if you are using l3enc) is 112 kbit/s
not 128.

So if you are using l3enc your command line could be
l3enc Safedanc.wav Safedanc.mp3 -br 128000

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From: Dave Mattingly <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Montreal Pictures and Story Online
Date: 28 Jul 1997 16:09:33 -0400


The pictures now have captions, and the entire 10-e-mail story has been
collated at http://www.geocities.com/soho/5953/dmivan/html


Dave Mattingly


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) IT HAS ARRIVED!!!!!!
Date: 28 Jul 1997 18:12:51 -0400 (EDT)


Well, I just my Superbitchinshirt from Laura today (check in the
mail)....Very cool, i just stared at it for a while......and I got the Spell,
which is also great, so good to hear Ivan's voice with something new...I do
wish that he would have released it under the MWH name, so it would fit in
with all my other MWH cd's (I guess I'm anal like that)...Anyway, I really
appreciate Laura finding the time to do all of this, Free drinks if she ever
makes it to columbia for her efforts...and for Todd too as soon as the 3cd
set arrives...anyway, I'm just rambling but I am so pleased (que Intro to
Eloise Music), now to get the money for the videos, and I will be set for a
while!!!!!!  Peace.

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From: James Kramer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) re: Dave's page
Date: 28 Jul 1997 17:21:41 -0700


Had trouble sending this before...

 Actually, Dave's page is at...

 http://www.geocities.com/soho/5953/dmivan.html

 That's <dot>html not <forward-slash>html

 Looks cool!

 ;-) Laura


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Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan's concert
Date: 28 Jul 1997 07:52:41 +0200



OK, here's another one who is green with envy for thos of you who could=

visit Montreal.

Mike wrote:
>when he does the UK I'll report... (fingers crossed!)

I guess I should be rather mis-developed to have enough fingers to cros=
s
for Ivan doing a concert in Norway....

Regards

Lars W.
__________________________________________________________________

Lars Wendt
Internet: [e-mail]
P.O.Box 393, Sk=F8yen, 0212 Oslo, Norway
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From: Dave Mattingly <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Montreal Pix and Story
Date: 28 Jul 1997 20:45:10 -0400


Oops, I inadvertently left off part of Chapter 7. The whole thing is
there now. And thanks for catching the error in the URL, Laura.

It's at http://www.geocities.com/soho/5953/dmivan.html


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From: [e-mail] (will finn)
Subject: (hats) people aren't wearing enough Hats....
Date: 28 Jul 1997 23:41:46 -0500 (CDT)


Hey all you wonderful Hatters,
   I actually have a Hat story to tell. First off, I was in Tower and heard
that Cocktail cd that folks were talking about a few weeks back. I know I
should be offended but I actually thought (the safety dance) cover was a tad
bit funny and amusing, actually the whole cd was pretty dang silly, but
would be fun at a party, a cocktail version of Born to be Wild!! now thats
sick (but funny) reminds of Tiny Tims last effort which had a hilarious
lounge version of stairway to heaven.
  someone wrote in about seeing MWH's w/ icehouse back in '88, I saw that
show too! They weren't even on the ticket stub and only played about a
thirty minute set. I was sooooo bummed, I stayed to listen to 2 icehouse
songs and then left. As I went to my car ....I noticed a bus out in the
parking lot with lights on, so feeling bummed I decided to be bold and see
if they were in it. I walked up to the bus door and there in the drivers sit
was Ivan wearing a head band, well i nervously asked , "you are Ivan are't
you?" and he said yes, so I told him I only came to see them and was bummed
at the short set, he empathized, I then asked him if he would sign my 45
sleeve of safety dance, which he did! That Made my year! They had done an
early show here before, but I didn't know about them until after the fact,
but I think I saved the concert review, which they didn't know what to make
of them but found them to be "interesting" but the jerk was annoyed by the
way Ivans hair hung down in his face (one of the things I really dug at the
time). Anyhow, thats my hat tales for now. Can't wait to see the concert
video. Who has them? Tom?
Peace Love to All!- Will (things that i will remember!)



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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Great Day!
Date: 29 Jul 1997 09:08:11 -0400 (EDT)


Wow!

I think yesterday was one of the greatest days of my life!

I got to work and found Thomas Norman's new videotape waiting for me
to arrive.  Then I was informed by my employer that I was now worth
US$1.50/hr. to him than I had been previously.  Then I came home and
found my two Hats T-Shirts and a "Sideways" CD waiting for me to get
*there*!  And all of this on a Monday!

Ask me why I now like Mondays!  Ask me why!  I now like Mondays!

I now have every Men Without Hats / Ivan album ever released on compact
disc - including a set of the original J.R. Bookwalter CDs - and several
vinyl albums (autographed by Ivan!) and 12" singles to go with them.

Based upon all I'd read in this list about how bad "Sideways" is because
it's all guitar, etc., I have to say that I was taken completely by surprise
by how good that album actually is!  To all of you in here who don't like
that album, what's gotten into you!!!  It's not the best album I've ever
heard but my gosh!  The music on it is much more listenable and interesting
to hear than most of what makes up "In The 21st Century!"  You guys had
me expecting the worst but I was thoroughly entertained by it!

One thing about Thomas Norman's videotape, even though it's short, it's
excellent!  How many other artists in the world could be so cool and allow
their fans to make such a videotape?!

Ivan is the greatest, but in my opinion, he seriously needs a shave!

My wife said he looks like that head Dream Master guy from Sliders. :-)
I haven't seen that particular episode but I think I can imagine.

Now, for all of you who still don't have the videotape and want it,
referring to the 2-hour fansmade collection done last year by T. Norman,
I have traditionally made a habit to put the 6 bonus tracks from J.R.
Bookwalter's CDs in the 40 minutes of space remaining when I dub the
T-120 video to a T-160 tape.  Now that I have the newest video too,
I can instead combine the two together to make a complete 2hour, 40minute
VHS compilation that spans Ivan's entire career - how 'bout that?

So if anything good can be said about the camcorder failing in the middle
of the concert, it's that what resulted from that effort is of the exact
perfect length to make one helluva Hats/Ivan video compilation!

BTW, I wore my new white Hats T to the grocery store last night tucked into
some black dress slacks with my favourite black belt and black suede shoes.
It looks so cool!  I felt like a defiant new-wave god in the 90s just shopping
for the usual vegetables and dairy products!  You can't help but feel
conspicuous in one of these shirts and I could see everybody's eyes looking
at it and then looking away 'cuz they didn't wanna be uncool and stare -
but at least it's not crappy clothing so if anybody had any complaints
they could not possibly be justifiable.  The 90s nonfashion is so shitty.

Thanks Laura for such a great improvement in my wardrobe and Tom for
such awesome enhancements to my personal video collection!  These things
really mean a lot to me!

And if you'd told me a year ago that one year from then I'd have all the
MWH CDs to completely free me from my vinyls, I'd have laughed in your
face.  To all those who say the Internet is just a bunch of hooey
(as Bill "B.C." Clinton would say), I say you know not what you say!

Myke

P.S. My checks are going in the mail today!


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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Knock It Off
Date: 29 Jul 1997 11:01:27 -0600 (MDT)


Just so everyone knows what's happening: I removed Myke from the list for
violating two of the list rules:

>  * If someone else is misbehaving on the list, please EMAIL THE LIST
>    OWNER ([e-mail]).  Do NOT try to deal with the
>    situation yourself; this almost always results in more problems
>    than it solves.
>
> The following kinds of messages are *never* welcome on the list, and
> posting them might result in your being removed, so be careful!
>
>  * Flames and/or attacks on other list members

He can rejoin at any time but he has to post an apology first.

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From: [e-mail] (Angela Tooley)
Subject: (hats) LYRICS PLEASE
Date: 29 Jul 1997 14:18:37 -0400 (EDT)




Hi, fellow hatters, Angie here. Could anybody please help me find info I
have sought since I first acquired a copy of ROY? What is the second verse
of "Ideas for Walls?"  And what is that lady saying when she does the
speaking part on "Cocoricci?" I have listened so hard to those tracks
and can't understand a word. I know some French, too, but maybe the
Quebecoise accent is too much for me.
Thanks!


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From: [e-mail] (will finn)
Subject: (hats) Hat tale #2
Date: 29 Jul 1997 15:25:22 -0500 (CDT)


Hey buckaroo's!
   Will here with another Hat related (barely) story. Anyone out there in
Hatsville ever go to the Reniasance (I can never sp. that word) Festival?
Well, We have a really great one here in Texas every year down by Houston.
It's extremely cool and you feel as if you've stepped into the middle ages.
Thats not the same middle ages as "The Meaning of Life-Python" ha ha!
Anyway, years ago there use to be a character that roamed the grounds there
at the festival called the Orge, he walked around on stilts made to look
like legs and looked all grungie and kinda scary. to get people's attention
he'd whip out his ....
kazoo (and you were thinking ?) and start humming the Safety Dance and then
he sing the chorus "you can dance if ya wanna", then he's stops and stares
at all the people around him, and proceeded to gross people out with crazy
gags like his infamous "fart collecting bag", which was so funny cause he
had this gizmo in a pouch that would make fart sounds and when a volunteer
came over to "donate" one, it would make fart sounds and everybody would die
laughing. Childish true, but fun! after the show was over he'd roam the park
chopping on a big turkey leg and singing "you can dance if ya wanna". I
loved him! I asked him if he liked he Hats and he said they were one of his
all time faves. Sadly the last time I went to this fair the Orge wasn't
there. Just like the the elusive Hats in the music stores down here...gone,
nada,zip! But one DAY!?-Will



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From: Vince Silvaggio <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MWH articles?
Date: 29 Jul 1997 18:55:22 -0400


Hey there, Hatters.  Something in Will Finn's e-mail got me to thinking:  we
(the group members) share CD's, videos, t-shirts, etc., but why hasn't
anyone ever tried to amass all the articles we have collected individually
over the years on MWH, and maybe copy or scan them and make a scrapbook out
of them?  Wouldn't it be interesting to see what other newspapers,
magazines, etc. have had to say about MWH?  Not to mention the different
photos we've never seen before.

What do you people think?

BTW, Laura, how are the pictures coming out?

Vince
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From: Gregor Watson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) MWH articles?
Date: 30 Jul 1997 00:34:19 +0100




>Hey there, Hatters.  Something in Will Finn's e-mail got me to thinking:  we
>(the group members) share CD's, videos, t-shirts, etc., but why hasn't
>anyone ever tried to amass all the articles we have collected individually
>over the years on MWH, and maybe copy or scan them and make a scrapbook out
>of them?  Wouldn't it be interesting to see what other newspapers,
>magazines, etc. have had to say about MWH?  Not to mention the different
>photos we've never seen before.
>
>What do you people think?
>
>BTW, Laura, how are the pictures coming out?
>
>Vince

I'm in the middle of scanning in my record covers, CD inserts, picture discs
and a few other pieces for my homepage right now. Along with the MP3 archive
and any articles scanned in then that would give MWH some of the best sites
for fans to get info about the band.

Gregor



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From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
Subject: Re: (hats) LYRICS PLEASE
Date: 29 Jul 1997 05:33:38 -0500


Angela Tooley wrote:
>
> Hi, fellow hatters, Angie here. Could anybody please help me find info I
> have sought since I first acquired a copy of ROY?


A complete listing of all the ROY lyrics can be found at:

http://crydee.sai.msu.su/public/lyrics/cs-uwp/m/men.without.hats/rhythm.of.youth

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Re: Hats No More? (fwd)
Date: 30 Jul 1997 08:49:05 +0200 (METDST)


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From fspin Wed Jul 30 08:45:28 1997
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]> from LORD HASENPFEFFER at "Jul 29, 97 08:58:07 pm"
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL29 (25)]
Content-Length:   492

Hey MYKE,

I read your mail this morning and thought f***, why is everything
so darn difficult, even within such a nice subculture as ours.
I don't think that staying off the list is the right decision
although I can understand your first reaction.
But hey, let's all stop being silly, come on in again and (Dear Lazlo!)
let's not aggravate the misunderstanding by harsh actions like
excluding such a nice fellow from the list (I'm the German guy who
Myke sent the video to).

PEACE,

Frank

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From: "Russ Kemsley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (hats) Re: Hats No More? (fwd)
Date: 30 Jul 1997 08:17:58 UT


Here here!!!

Being a relatively long-term member of this list, I also feel that Myke has
not been treated fairly. I did not see any "flame" in any of Myke's posts
dealing with the Will thing. In fact, I recall thinking to myself how well
Myke handled Will's bombardment.

As a member of this list, I feel that kicking people like Myke off lessens the
quality. Myke has contributed much to us.

Lazlo, I plead...reconsider your actions. Let's just put Myke back on, have no
more misunderstandings or flames and get back to what we are all here for...a
unification of those who love and appreciate the art of Men Without Hats.



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From: Saul Hazan <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (hats) Re: Hats No More? (fwd)
Date: 30 Jul 1997 10:05:37 +0100 (BST)


Dear All,

> I did not see any "flame" in any of Myke's posts
> dealing with the Will thing.

> I feel that kicking people like Myke off lessens the
> quality.

...Will was not the only one to receive Emails on Myke's ideas of what
constitutes immorality!  His most noxious views were sent via private,
unrequested, off-list emails which were exceedingly offensive.

Nevertheless, despite being revolted by his views, I 100% agree that Myke
should NOT be removed from this list.

On to far happier subjects;  just to say that the list has really taken
off wonderfully, what with all these pages opening up with
sounds/images/info/articles/Claude's listing etc.  A really HUGE "Well
Done!" to everyone.  Does Ivan get to see any of this activity?  He'd be
so impressed if he did.

Peace.

Saul

Saul Hazan.
London, UK. ([e-mail])
or for the homepage...
http://www.hammel.demon.co.uk
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From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MWH FAQ
Date: 30 Jul 1997 09:50:45 +0000


Salut les t=EAtes nues!

This is the first message of five (1 of 5) I will sent to the group
concerning the very soon coming of the MWH's FAQ site. My first request
is quite simple. I would like everybody to send me ANY links related to
MWH. If you can join a short description with each link you sent, that's
fine. Any reply to this request will be hugely welcomed. As a small
reminder, very few of you have sent your entry for the "who's who on the
mailing list". Is it for lack of interest or because you're all out on
vacation? Go check it out to get the general idea
http://www.total.net/~gigarpus/whoswho_mwh.html I think you'll want to
be part of it. Please send your birth date instead of your age (for
obvious reason...) and send this in the format "april 1st 1967" instead
of the confusing "4/1/67" (some people put the month first, others put
the day before, how am I gonna know wich?) I also remind you that you
can send me corrections or additions for the list, I will promptly add
them.

P.S. Francis et Vince, je n'ai pas re=E7u vos entr=E9es pour la liste! S'=
il
vous pla=EEt, donn=E9 le bon exemple!

La tol=E9rance est la m=E8re de toutes les vertus

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From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Thanks (mp3 archive)
Date: 30 Jul 1997 08:41:46 +0000


-=MP3 Men Without Hats Archive=-

Well it looks as though there are some people willing to help out
with the mp3 archive. Just wanted to say thanks to all those that are
willing to help.

To avoid alot of confusion we need to know who is going to rip what
songs to mp3s. For those that are making some mp3s for the mp3
archive site let me know what songs (Song name, version, mix, from
CD, From Vinyl) you are converting to mp3. A current status of who is
doing what will be located on the web site (which wll be at located
at http://www.holdman.com/mwh).

Doing this will avoid people converting stuff that someone might
already be working on.

No mp3s will be available on the archive that you can go buy (such as
the IVAN CD) The Archive will be for the purpose of sharing rare,
out-of-print, live, bootlegs, etc.

As of right now nobody has dibs on any songs or CDs

So if you want to help out with the archive email me and let me know
what songs/CDs you are planing on to convert to mp3.

Space on the Archive will not be a issue, there is plenty of disk
space.

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From: Dave Mattingly <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MWH Covers
Date: 30 Jul 1997 10:52:30 -0400


I don't have the equipment to computerize music, but if MWH covers are
fair game, I've got a tape of Big Daddy singing Safety Dance lyrics to
Do the Twise music. I can send this to someone with the proper equipment
if people want to hear it on the archive.

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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (hats) Re: Hats No More?
Date: 30 Jul 1997 08:59:04 -0600 (MDT)


> Being a relatively long-term member of this list, I also feel that Myke has
> not been treated fairly. I did not see any "flame" in any of Myke's posts
> dealing with the Will thing.

This certainly looks like a personal attack to me:

> First off Will, this list does not need your misinformed, stereotypical
> crap being sent to it.
>
> This kind of commentary is completely unnecessary in the hats list.
> You make yourself out to be a rude fool when you say trash like that.
>
> Keep this kind of email private.

If Myke thinks abusive email should be kept private, then he shouldn't be
posting it to the list himself.  In addition, the list rules clearly state
that if you think someone else (i.e., Will) is misbehaving on the list, you
should email *me*, not the list, so I can deal with it.

> Lazlo, I plead...reconsider your actions.

As I said, Myke will be welcome back on the list once he posts an apology for
the unwarranted and abusive email he sent to it.

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From: [e-mail] (will finn)
Subject: (hats) on Myke's behalf
Date: 30 Jul 1997 15:06:14 -0500 (CDT)


   In the words of that famous cartoon character Charlie Brown, "good grief!"
I must say that I never wanted this silly nonsense to get so out of hand.
Myke is someone who is very passionate about his beliefs and sometimes our
silly emotions run amuck when these kinds of feelings are taunted, and
though sometimes he was like a little chu wa wa nipping at my heel, all in
all I know he meant well. We definitely have our differences but thats what
makes this world so interesting. Lazlo, please reconsider giving Myke the
boot. If he does I'll have to request the same. Thanks for being such an
inspiration to me as a fellow Hatter folks! You're all very SPECIAL!
Sincerely, Will



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) MWH STICKERS  AGAIN And AGAIN!!!!
Date: 30 Jul 1997 18:10:52 -0400 (EDT)


Hey Hatters.

I have now over 20 peoples who wants stickers.

I'm am terribly sorry, I dont have the exact price yet, but the MAXIMUM
MAXIMUM MAXIMUM will be 10$ per 100.

All the peoples took 2600 stickers.  Is there someone else who want it????

ciao

Francis



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From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
Subject: Re: (hats) Re: Hats No More? (fwd)
Date: 30 Jul 1997 04:47:37 -0500


> Hey MYKE,
>
> I read your mail this morning and thought f***, why is everything
> so darn difficult, even within such a nice subculture as ours.
> I don't think that staying off the list is the right decision
> although I can understand your first reaction.
> But hey, let's all stop being silly, come on in again and (Dear Lazlo!)
> let's not aggravate the misunderstanding by harsh actions like
> excluding such a nice fellow from the list (I'm the German guy who
> Myke sent the video to).
>
> PEACE,
>
> Frank

I aggree with Frank and the others.  Please, Lazlo, reconsider your
descision.  Myke's obviously done a lot toward helping other list
members, and why can't we just consider this mess over and forget it?
Let's just push aside any differences.  I think kicking him off is only
going to diminish the list.

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From: [e-mail] (Angela Tooley)
Subject: (hats) THANX A BUNCH
Date: 30 Jul 1997 19:59:19 -0400 (EDT)




Hi, hatters, this is Angie.  I thank you all very much for your help in
finding the lyrics to the ROY songs.  For 15 years I have searched for
them and EUREKA!!! Computers are awesome, aren't they? And so are all
of you helpful and dedicated Hats fans.

   I have a few comments/questions/suggestions to send out to you all.

   First, can anyone tell me where to get the lyrics for the songs on
FOTE3 and PGTW?  Is there a web site somewhere that publishes them?

   Second question: Could anybody tell me Ivan's reason for calling the
band Men Without Hats?  I have a few ideas of my own but I would like to
find out the real reason, if anyone can help me with that one.

   Third, I use a computer at the public library to send/receive e-mail.
I have a time limit, so I was wondering if any of you would like to
have a pen-pal with which to share lengthy discussions and critique
of MWH, plus photocopied articles and other things shared, I love to
write letters and would be able to "speak" with some of you at length
who, like me, consider MWH one of the greatest musical groups in the
world.  Just e-mail me providing your address and I will send you mine
as I have a lot to say about MWH that I have kept bottled up for 15
years because I could never find anyone who wanted to hear it!!!

   Now a suggestion: is there any way we can organize this list into
an official fan club?  I would like to be able to say I belong to a
MWH fan club that provides most of the benefits of other fan clubs,
such as backstage invitations, a chance to meet the band, private
concerts by Ivan for his loving fans (Hey..! It could happen!).  Would
anyone like to give some input?  It seems to me that if I go to see
Ivan somewhere in New England and I say, "I'm on the mailing list!
Can't I speak to him backstage?' his people aren't going to be as
receptive to my request as they might be if I said, "I'm a member
of his fan club!" I never actually belonged to a fan club but I have
an idea about how they work and I know that certain artists (if not
most) guarantee admittance backstage for fan club members at each and
every show they do.

   What does everyone think?

   I'm impressed with this list.  Do any other 80's bands have impressive
mailing lists like this one?  Everyone on this list seems so enthusiastic
and dedicated.  I think it would be a good idea to organize ourselves
somehow, as a compliment to our status as members of this list.

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From: Alain Robillard-Bastien <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) THANX A BUNCH
Date: 30 Jul 1997 20:13:16 -0400


Angela Tooley wrote:

>    First, can anyone tell me where to get the lyrics for the songs on
> FOTE3 and PGTW?  Is there a web site somewhere that publishes them?
>
>

You can modify the URL that was sent earlier this week by C. Campbell
(Thanks a lot! :-) ), like that:

http://crydee.sai.msu.su/public/lyrics/cs-uwp/m/men.without.hats/

You'll find the lyrics there.

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Subject: Re: (hats) THANX A BUNCH
Date: 30 Jul 1997 06:59:58 -0500


Alain Robillard-Bastien wrote:
>
> Angela Tooley wrote:
>
> >    First, can anyone tell me where to get the lyrics for the songs on
> > FOTE3 and PGTW?  Is there a web site somewhere that publishes them?
> >
> >
>
> You can modify the URL that was sent earlier this week by C. Campbell
> (Thanks a lot! :-) ), like that:
>
> http://crydee.sai.msu.su/public/lyrics/cs-uwp/m/men.without.hats/
>
> You'll find the lyrics there.
>
> Al.

And let me add to that....
     a complete index of all MWH lyrics on this site (including
mca demos)can be accessed at---
http://crydee.sai.msu.su/public/lyrics/cs-uwp/m/men.without.hats/

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From: [e-mail] (will finn)
Subject: (hats) can we talk!!!
Date: 29 Jul 1997 15:03:53 -0500 (CDT)


Hey Hat people,
   Or is that without! Hey Myke, sounds like you had one "fabulous" monday!
I must say I envy your collection!!!! Being one who still doesn't have the
first two albums on cd. Did you drink too much coffee or what! ha ha!
   I'm going to send another hat tale soon, very soon, why right after brief
annoucement from one of our sponsors! ha ha!-Will



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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) THANX A BUNCH
Date: 31 Jul 1997 08:25:36 +0000


Hi Angie and everyone!

Angie said,
>    Now a suggestion: is there any way we can organize this list into
> an official fan club? . . .

Having recently been promoted to the exalted position of "President
of Ivan's Fan Club" by the tour-promotion gods in Canada (none of us
was going to argue that, since they were letting us get away with
moi-dah!), I would venture to say that by being on the list we
already *are* members of a MWH/Ivan fan club.  Ivan is aware of the
list and who we are (he even reads the list from time to time), and
they do view us as their hard-core, die-hard fans (just like a
non-electronic fan club).  Finally, Ivan and Colin know that the only
way to get one of our fabulous Fan-Ts is to be on the list or be very
VERY good friends with someone who is on the list, so the Ts are both
an "ID badge" and a "letter of introduction," so to speak.

As far as being "Official," like getting to be the "official
breakfast cereal" or something, endorsed by the artist, I suppose
the person to ask would be Colin, since he's more in to the
producing/business end of things recently.  I'll see what I can do
(since I'm the *president* <vbg>) about finding out more info...

Any input/reaction, especially from the Montreal (hey - I figured out
how to do accents - let me know if this worked) crowd who *did* get
to go backstage because of the T-shirts, would be read with interest!
 Also, if anyone else is in an "Official" fan club, pls provide
details of the benefits and costs associated with that.

WB, everyone!

:-) Laura

PS - Angie, I can't wait to get your letter!!!


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From: [e-mail] (will finn)
Subject: Re: (hats) THANX A BUNCH
Date: 31 Jul 1997 07:47:53 -0500 (CDT)


>Second question: Could anybody tell me Ivan's reason for calling the
>band Men Without Hats?  I have a few ideas of my own but I would like to
>find out the real reason, if anyone can help me with that one.
  As far as I know , according to hats folklore, they got the name from a
statement Darwin made about primates. he called them (primates) men without
hats!! Does anyone know other reasons???? - Will



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From: Dave Mattingly <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Name & Logo
Date: 31 Jul 1997 09:04:26 -0400


One rumor is that the logo existed before the name did. The no-hats
symbol used to be used to show that there was no dress code at the
establishment in question.

Then there was the rumor that the band name was a typo. It was supposed
to be Men Without Hate, and this was why the 21st Century album is
titled so. An announcer at an early gig read the name wrong, and the
band decided to keep the Hats name.

Several years ago, we discussed possibilities of the name and logo. A
Japanese list member said that the hat in the logo looked distinctly
western, and might mean the band was throwing off their preconceptions
and were open to worldwide ideas, ref: Living in China.

My take on it was that it meant no false pretences, as in wearing a
different hat, as in take off your programmer hat and put on your
Christian hat. The band was the same always, they didn't change who they
were based on where they were or who they were with. Anyone remember the
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From: "Thomas Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) he will come
Date: 31 Jul 1997 10:50:39 -0400




  Finally, Ivan and Colin know that the only
>way to get one of our fabulous Fan-Ts is to be on the list or be very
>VERY good friends with someone who is on the list, so the Ts are both
>an "ID badge" and a "letter of introduction," so to speak.
Laura,
This is a very important point and should be considered NEXT time we see an
Ivan show.   If we wear the T-shirts , Ivan will come.   We have established
a pattern here.
      I think back to one of the list member's story about standing outside
of Ivan's tourbus during the POP tour with a "Where did the synth go?"
T-shirt.  Rod was that you?  Guess what.... Ivan came out of the bus to talk
to him.    Now look at Montreal... Ivan came to talk to us BECAUSE of
Laura's T-shirts.
     See the pattern?

Tom
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From: Dave Mattingly <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Chinese Detectives
Date: 31 Jul 1997 12:43:42 -0400


Has anyone heard their copy of Where Do the Boys Go? I found somewhere
that has it in stock, and I'm considering buying it over the net without
having heard it first.

Dave Mattingly


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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Re: Hats No More?
Date: 31 Jul 1997 11:49:00 -0600 (MDT)


> I aggree with Frank and the others.  Please, Lazlo, reconsider your
> descision.

Like I said, Myke is welcome back on the list anytime he likes, he just has to
apologize to the list for posting his attack on Will first.  I'm not doing
anything to prevent him from returning...

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From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Name & Logo
Date: 31 Jul 1997 11:48:18 +0000


Sounds like we are in a fine arts place trying to figure out what the
artist meant when he painted what he did. :)

-Richard


> One rumor is that the logo existed before the name did. The no-hats
> symbol used to be used to show that there was no dress code at the
> establishment in question.
>
> Then there was the rumor that the band name was a typo. It was supposed
> to be Men Without Hate, and this was why the 21st Century album is
> titled so. An announcer at an early gig read the name wrong, and the
> band decided to keep the Hats name.


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From: Senz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Where did the synth go?
Date: 31 Jul 1997 12:07:57 -0600


>       I think back to one of the list member's story about standing
> outside
> of Ivan's tourbus during the POP tour with a "Where did the synth go?"
>
> T-shirt.

Actually, I made this T-shirt in response to the Sideways album to let
Ivan know I missed his synth stuff.  I'm not sure who the gentleman was
that was concerned about copywrite infringement but when he learned that
I painted it by hand he went and got Ivan off the tour bus to see what
was obviously a big fan of his.

Well, I have been absent for a bit and reading the last month or so of
postings reveals that I've missed quite a bit!!  I'm quite impressed all
the activity!  Laura, is it too late to snag a big T?   The yellowish
colour will look great with the slight tinge of green I've become after
hearing about your concert!! The stickers will be a great tool for
spreading the word and if time permits I may contribute a thing or two
for the mp3 page.

Well done "hats people".  I'm proud to be a part of this listing and
it's no accident that MWH fans are intelligent!!

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From: "Richard Holdman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MWH Phone Cards
Date: 31 Jul 1997 12:34:17 +0000


I would tell everyone all about myself,but I will later because I
dont have the time to right now.

Anyway just to let you all now that I work for a Digital Printing
Company. One thig we can make here is phone cards. I was thinking of
making some MWH Phone Cards (I am a graphic Designer). These
would be real phone cards (yes they really do work :) ). I think I
would make them either 20 or 30 min. PhoneCards.

If enuff people really want to do it I will make them. The price for
these phone cards will be about the same price as other ones you see
in stores an such (I will just be buying numbers off another company
 that makes phone  cards)

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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MykeC and the Hats list
Date: 31 Jul 1997 13:13:31 -0600 (MDT)


Myke --

You're right, I was out of line to kick you off the list without giving you
some kind of warning.  I overreacted, and I apologize.

I have resubscribed you to the hats list.  I hope you'll consider staying,
though I would certainly understand if you didn't want to after all this.

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From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) chinese dectives
Date: 31 Jul 1997 19:16:02 +0100


well Dave - buy it! Its a hoot...  Lars sent me a copy ages ago and it
goes down well at parties if nothing else - up-to-date version of the
original with a 'good disco beat' (tee hee hee).

Anyways, anyone fancy doing some music that we can send to Ivan to do the
vocals on???  I'm playing with my new kit so could probably co-ordinate
the efforts.  Cubase/GM will be fine - any takers???  For you tech heads:
I just bought an Emulator IVxt, a Nord Lead 2 and a Mackie 32-8 mixer...
no sleep for me then!


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From: Gregor Watson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) It's arrived
Date: 31 Jul 1997 21:55:27 +0100


My package of a T-shirt and "The spell" arrived from Laura today.

Laura - put me down for another two next time you place an order, seriously.
It looks so cool. Haven't been flash enough to wear it with "black dress
slacks, black belt and black suede shoes" yet but who knows!! FYI - out
walking the dogs with blue suede Adidas trainers, blue jeans and of course a
brilliant yellow T-shirt, cool eh;)

I was so careful when I was taking the CD out of the plastic wrapper. I
didn't want to tear the little sticker on the front that says "The first
solo album from IVAN the voice of Men Without Hats". Managed to save it and
now have it sitting between the case and the insert .

Angie - This list is 1000 times better than any fan club. How many fan clubs
procduce videos, CDs, T-shirts and stickers for *0%* profit and are so rare
that they're even sought after by the artist.

Hats off,

Gregor

p.s. Tom and Laura, posted your stuff yesterday.

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Subject: (hats) -
Date: 31 Jul 1997 15:35:31 +0000


No Dancing


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From: [e-mail] (will finn)
Subject: Re: (hats) Name & Logo
Date: 31 Jul 1997 17:57:06 -0500 (CDT)


...it sounds familiar but it just doesn't sound the same......
these are all good theories, does anyone know for sure?

I do know Darwin did call monkeys "men without hats" and in the safety dance
vid he sort of mimic's one with the strange arch movement when dancing...
maybe I'm just reading a little to much here..ha ha!
-will

>Sounds like we are in a fine arts place trying to figure out what the
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From: [e-mail] (will finn)
Subject: (hats) eerie!!!(subtext to Laura)
Date: 31 Jul 1997 18:09:05 -0500 (CDT)


stop that!....I just sang that song just a few moments ago!!!!
wow...we are connected somehow!!!

...they say may heads not screwed on right and I try to remind them that i
known that all along.....no dancing!

....I need to get a message through....(Laura, did you find that cd yet? you
should getthe check any day now. I should have ordered Ivans solo one too!?
what was I thinking???? Thomas from Germany says he has some if you don't
have any, however he needs it airmailed quick before he goes away again!

THANKS TO EVERYONE OF YOU!!! Your closer than you think!-Will




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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) More versions of "Open Your Eyes"!
Date: 31 Jul 1997 19:58:46 -0400


>..was this promo in the US or Canada?  It'd be interesting to hear if
>Ivan's songs have made it to the States in some "official" manner..

Sorry that it took me a while to reply to your question, but I finally have
a hold of the promo 12" of "Open Your Eyes".  To refresh everyone's memory,
I have a friend who is in a record pool-- a record pool is ideally for DJs
who get a number of new promotional records (12"s and albums) each month.
My friend gave me (I am not sure if I have to give it back!) Ivan's "Open
Your Eyes"--although, it doesn't say anywhere that it is a promotional copy.
So my guess is it is in DJ shops (but I wouldn't know).

Here are the specs of the 12" (Lazlo you listening???? <grin>):

It is a white label with the IVAN logo in black and white.  The sleeve is
not a picture sleeve, it is only black with a hole in the centre so you can
see the label.  There are two mixes of the song on side A and the album
version on side B.  The serial number is TOXSV316 and it is a Canadian disc.
It has the TOX records logo, aswell as UFORIA and Distribution Select.
Anyone know what they are?  Music/Lyrics: Ivan. Remixed by Brad Daymond for
Icebreaker Productions.

The mixes are called "Riprock's Radio" which is 3:42 and "Riprock's
Extension" 6:14.  Both are the same type of mix, except one is longer. They
are different to the album version.  I don't know how to describe them....no
songs on "The Spell" is like these mixes.  I really don't know how I can
describe them--um...the song is "stripped down"...the only way really is if
I make an MP3 or screechy wav file!  I don't think I should because I assume
this record will be in stores.  But to give a sample...that would be ok,
right?  Hm....there are no copyright notices on the label nor on the sleeve :)

Now, the mixes are good. I love them.  They make you dance but not as much
as the album version.  It's like the remixes to "Pop Goes The World", except
the song isn't changed THAT much.  For instance, Ivan's singing isn't changed.

That's all, folks!

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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Qs
Date: 31 Jul 1997 22:03:32 -0400 (EDT)


Repeating myself from last night because not everybody got to see this...

I recently noticed that "The Safety Dance" first appeared in the US Top 40
Singles chart of Billboard magazine during the week ending July 30, 1983.
That's 14 years ago right now folx!

Ever since it happened I've always been miffed that my tape recorder failed
to capture the Tulsa MWH performance I saw on May 5, 1988.  (See photos at
http://people.delphi.com/mykec/hats88.htm).  Ever since I've been on this
list though, my disappointment from the same fact has only gotten worse.

It was great to be able to write briefly to Bruce Murphy who played some
of the keyboards in the band on that tour, but still I have no audio
document to contribute to your collections as I feel I should have.

And now that the 3CD set and compilation video have been created, and
my personal Hats CD collection has finally been completed, I still have
nothing live from any MWH tour to listen to and am really starting to
search for some.  Any tour since 1985, that is.

Is there no more rare live material for me to collect from the members
of the list?  Since I've joined this list, I've yet to read anything
about any live bootlegs from the "Pop...", "...21st Century", and/or
"Sideways" tours being available or even existing.

Also, what's this about MCA demos?

Myke


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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) chinese dectives
Date: 31 Jul 1997 22:16:23 -0400


>Anyways, anyone fancy doing some music that we can send to Ivan to do the
>vocals on???  I'm playing with my new kit so could probably co-ordinate
>the efforts.  Cubase/GM will be fine - any takers???  For you tech heads:
>I just bought an Emulator IVxt, a Nord Lead 2 and a Mackie 32-8 mixer...
>no sleep for me then!
>

I don'tplay any instruments but I can do a tape cover :)

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From: Claude GrΘgoire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) he will come
Date: 31 Jul 1997 22:13:25 +0000


Thomas Norman wrote:
>
> This is a very important point and should be considered NEXT time we see an
> Ivan show.   If we wear the T-shirts , Ivan will come.   We have established
> a pattern here.
>       I think back to one of the list member's story about standing outside
> of Ivan's tourbus during the POP tour with a "Where did the synth go?"
> T-shirt.  Guess what.... Ivan came out of the bus to talk
> to him.    Now look at Montreal... Ivan came to talk to us BECAUSE of
> Laura's T-shirts.
>      See the pattern?

Please, stop talking like that you scare me. You sound like someone
discussing about ways to catch a rabbit!!!!! (and I'm starting to think
that Ivan would not have come and talk with me if it were not for the
T-shirts?????)

Claude


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