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From: [e-mail] (Jupiter Eight)
Subject: Re: (hats) Prized Possessions
Date: 01 May 1997 07:24:53 EDT

On Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:43:33 -0400 (EDT) [e-mail] writes:
>Not to stray too far off topic, but, I was wondering what CD each one
>of us
>may own that we would never let out of our site.

A few come to mind just because they were hard to find:

1) Railway Children - Recurrence
2) House of Love - self-titled first album
3) Men Without Hats - 2-fer  :)

Rod


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From: Adam J Weitzman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) It bothers me 2
Date: 01 May 1997 09:13:57 -0400

Steven Enz wrote:
> As for the reduction of words into numbers and letters.  Ivan is doing
> this for a reason which may not be immediately obvious to us.

Whatever that reason may be, he is certainly evoking Prince, who did
this consistently, starting with the _Purple_Rain_ album and continuing
until today, and was also well known for it.  I just don't like the idea
that Ivan's pretty obviously copping someone else; it seems cheap.
Unless it's a tribute or something.  *shrug*

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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) The End
Date: 01 May 1997 14:08:26 -0400 (EDT)

>(Which reminds me:  I once recorded Freeways from 45 to cassette, and
>accidentally left the speed on 33.  What I got was one of the neatest
>songs I've ever heard.  Try it, and tell me what you think.)

I have got to try that sometime!  Which 45 is that on?

>art in Pop just blows me away.  The first time I heard Lose My Way I
>almost cried.  Ditto for The End.  Am I alone in this?  Am I alone?

I felt a little sad when I heard "The End (of the World)".  I imagined the
people of the Earth celebrating (for some reason) the fact that Earth lasted
so long and all the things we accomplished.  I pictured matadors, monkeys,
and a million balloons and everyone enjoying themselves.  And even world
peace!  What a picture Ivan painted.  So of course I started to think about
how the world would actually end.  How depressing.




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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) PGTW and other things
Date: 01 May 1997 14:10:16 -0400 (EDT)


Oops, I accidentally sent this privately to someone, so I will resend it tot
he list again.  Sorry!

>>"Moonbeam" and "Pop Goes the World" are typical pop fare, but the rest
>>of the album is fabulous.  Those who doubt it's power, program your CD
>
>I may have misunderstood the intent of the topic, but I'll give my opinion
anyway :)  I don't think "Moonbeam" and "PGTW" are typical pop songs.  They
sound almost like lyrics to children's songs and the videos!  (I am not
saying they are bad, I love them!).  I doubt a record company would let them
release those songs instead of or before "O Sole Mio" and "Walk On Water".
For the life of me I don't know why "Walk On Water" wasn't released.  Now
that sounds like a typical pop song. Maybe PGTW and Moonbeam were released
because they were so different to their previously released songs?
>
>As for Ivan using profanity in his current album, I haven't read the lyrics
yet but I will try to give my thoughts on the topic.  I realized that the
meaning of "Oh My G-d" is lost today.  I've noticed people automatically use
it without a second thought.  I doubt they actually mean to use God's name
in vain. Look at the "bloody" term.  The origin is "by our Lady", meaning
Mary, the Madonna.  Today who actually acknowledges that?  Personally, I
lothe "Oh my G-d" and wish people would stop but being a linguist as hobby,
I've noticed rerally it's "just an overused term" that lost it's meaning
today.
>
>One more thing, about Ivan writing "2" instead of "to", I just remembered
on the cassette of "PGTW" the lyrics to the song were written with symbols
like 2, 4, a heart for love, the symbol of Earth for world.  So I think
maybe Ivan is just having some fun writing the lyrics that way.
>




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From: Steven Enz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) It bothers me 2
Date: 01 May 1997 09:22:25 -0700

> > As for the reduction of words into numbers and letters.  Ivan is doing
> > this for a reason which may not be immediately obvious to us.
>
> Whatever that reason may be, he is certainly evoking Prince, who did
> this consistently, starting with the _Purple_Rain_ album and continuing
> until today, and was also well known for it.  I just don't like the idea
> that Ivan's pretty obviously copping someone else; it seems cheap.
> Unless it's a tribute or something.  *shrug*

A tribute!!  Not likely.  I have a theory that Ivan is rather
disappointed with the state of pop music (and who can blame him) and is
MOCKING it!  For example Ivan's early work shows he believes in
substance and meaning and not image.  But PGTW is very heavily image
driven.  This was purposely done to draw our attention to this problem
with pop music.  The same goes for the lyrics of Spell.  He is really
over doing it, to the point where it makes you think (emphasize: "makes
you think") how anybody could see this as being clever or intelligent.
It's really commenting on the current sorry state of pop lyrics (and yet
he manages to keep meaningful song throughout this mockery). And since
your attention has been drawn to this problem of numbers and letters,
guess what? It's working, isn't it?

Senz


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From: Woody Zenfell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Stuff
Date: 01 May 1997 13:47:29 -0500 (CDT)

1)  I ordered 2 CD's and got one of them so far.  You're not alone.

2)  A couple clarifications:

By 'contempt' for the later albums I just meant a sort of 'unsatisfaction'
:) with them for seeming somewhat less honest and more 'produced' than the
FOTE trilogy.  Contempt is doubtless too strong a word, so I tried to
weaken it by putting it in quotes, but the sense of it is still kind of
wrong.

I do like almost all of PGTW, and think it's a really well-put-together
album with every track a strong one.  I also like a couple of the tracks
on 21st c., and I maybe even kind of like 2 or so from Sideways.  My
problem is that the stuff starting at PGTW and continuing from there seems
to be 'stifled' somehow by Ivan's changing of himself to form some image
in an attempt to appeal to more people or seem 'deeper'.  In fact I think
this served to have the opposite effect on me - the early works have some
sort of simple honesty that the rest don't; they're very believable and
'true'.  As a result they seem very meaningful.  The later works seem to
be more flimsy surface in an attempt to be something that's not.  They
seem increasingly 'false' to me.  I feel disappointed in the directions
taken and ashamed when my friends see the video stuff and come away
thinking MwH were just another 80's band, pretending to make some stand
on some issue that was popular that year.  For me the essence of MwH is
the FOTE trilogy, and far too few people are willing or able to see that
(I don't mean people on the list here; I mean non-MwH people) because
there were so many more resources pumped into promoting the later images.

I also dislike the '2' and '4' and '+' substitutes, mostly because I
think of them as being very 'junior-high-school' phenomena.  Maybe that's
the direction someone is trying to take with Ivan's image now: bright
colors, stars, and that bit.  It's along the same lines as my previous
paragraph.  It's just too contrived.

It seems like a transition happened around PGTW from being an 'innovator'
to being an 'imitator'.  Early MwH style or 'image' is difficult to nail
down because it's so unique.  It's much easier to 'classify' the later stuff.

Anyway, enough griping for now :)  Thanks for your patience.  (or should
I say thanx 4 ur patience.. no, I didn't think so.)

Woody


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From: Turtle <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) PGTW
Date: 01 May 1997 14:49:08 -0400 (EDT)

On Wed, 30 Apr 1997, Eric Soderblom wrote:

> What????
> How could someone suggest that there is something missing from PGTW?
> And THEN to say that they became record company puppets?  I think that
> PGTW is one of the best produced albums I have ever come across, and
> that it is Men Without Hats best (along with ROY).  I will admit that
> "Moonbeam" and "Pop Goes the World" are typical pop fare, but the rest
> of the album is fabulous.  Those who doubt it's power, program your CD
> player to skip tracks 2 & 8, then judge for yourself.
>
> Eric
>
>
>
Finally, someone with balls enough to say that they truely love PGTW.
Eric, I commend you.  What, and this is a question to everyone, do you
feel about "On Tuesday"?  That song is held almost #1 in my heart.  The
flute, the message, the sadness, the joy, all combined into one beautiful
song.

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From: "Hugo Bugg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Batting Eyes
Date: 01 May 1997 14:35:01 -0400

Hi i'm batting my eyes to IVANz lyrics.
I don't get the hype.  It's not like he said FUCK or SHIT or anything to
that degree.
I kinda wish he did. That F.P.O.S!!

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From: Turtle <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) The End
Date: 01 May 1997 14:55:06 -0400 (EDT)

On Thu, 1 May 1997, Daniele Rossi wrote:

> >(Which reminds me:  I once recorded Freeways from 45 to cassette, and
> >accidentally left the speed on 33.  What I got was one of the neatest
> >songs I've ever heard.  Try it, and tell me what you think.)
>
> I have got to try that sometime!  Which 45 is that on?
>
> >art in Pop just blows me away.  The first time I heard Lose My Way I
> >almost cried.  Ditto for The End.  Am I alone in this?  Am I alone?
>
> I felt a little sad when I heard "The End (of the World)".  I imagined the
> people of the Earth celebrating (for some reason) the fact that Earth lasted
> so long and all the things we accomplished.  I pictured matadors, monkeys,
> and a million balloons and everyone enjoying themselves.  And even world
> peace!  What a picture Ivan painted.  So of course I started to think about
> how the world would actually end.  How depressing.
>
>
>
>
The End makes me cry as well.  I will never forget my friend asking
me,"what song is it that goes 'The end of the world."  I looked at him
and said "the end of the world."  and he looke dat me and said "Where is
it(on the cd)"  and I simply said "the end" .  But now he is dead and
every time I hear that song, I cry and remember him and think, "Will we
all meet again at the end of the world?"
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From: Adam J Weitzman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) It bothers me 2
Date: 01 May 1997 15:29:30 -0400

Steven Enz wrote:
>
> > Whatever that reason may be, he is certainly evoking Prince, who did
> > this consistently, starting with the _Purple_Rain_ album and continuing
> > until today, and was also well known for it.  I just don't like the idea
> > that Ivan's pretty obviously copping someone else; it seems cheap.
> > Unless it's a tribute or something.  *shrug*
>
> A tribute!!  Not likely.  I have a theory that Ivan is rather
> disappointed with the state of pop music (and who can blame him) and is
> MOCKING it!

I have a theory that you're giving him entirely too much credit.  If it
was the case in one song, then I might buy it, but doing it across the
whole album is another matter entirely.  Besides, Prince wrote some of
the most inspiring, playful, unusual and meaningful lyrics and music out
there (for "pop" songs anyways), so to use his style to make a statement
about the banality of pop music would be entirely inconsistent.

> For example Ivan's early work shows he believes in
> substance and meaning and not image.  But PGTW is very heavily image
> driven.  This was purposely done to draw our attention to this problem
> with pop music.

Don't assume that everyone on this list accepts these assertions as
fact.  While _PGTW_ undeniably consists of a number of statements about
pop culture, I think the only distinction between it and the first two
albums is the obviousness and pervasiveness of those statements.

> The same goes for the lyrics of Spell.  He is really
> over doing it, to the point where it makes you think (emphasize: "makes
> you think") how anybody could see this as being clever or intelligent.
> It's really commenting on the current sorry state of pop lyrics (and yet
> he manages to keep meaningful song throughout this mockery). And since
> your attention has been drawn to this problem of numbers and letters,
> guess what? It's working, isn't it?

Is it really too much to suggest that sometimes he writes serious songs
and sometimes he writes silly songs?  Not everything is part of a grand
concept.  The use of U's and 4's is, essentially, a cute idea that
conceptually invokes Prince, and if it was used in only one song, I
might see your point, but seeing as it's used in every song but one, I
can't see how it could be making the statement you're suggesting.

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From: GARBOWSKI JR CHARLES R <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) substance vs. image
Date: 01 May 1997 16:05:39 -0400 (EDT)

Some of the more recent entries I've seen on this list have been talking
about MWH early stuff vs. new stuff and substance vs. image.  Let me first
say that these are not mutually exclusive.  While I, myself, like a song
that has substance to it and carries a meaning that goes farther than
lyrics like "I like big butts and I cannot lie...", image has its place.
Images are very important in artistry and, in fact, is what much art is
based on.  All visual art (painting, sculpture, etc.) is based in image.
Arts like the theatre often strive to portray images.  Literature
especially, which of course is where lyrics are based, and particularly
poety, again where lyrics are often based, TRY to portray images.  It
might very well be that in shooting for images in some of the MWH work
mentioned, some substance was lost.  People aren't experts the first time
they play with something.  MWH might very well have been striving to
achieve a balance between the two.  I find music is best when it has
substance and yet combines that with images that paint a picture or
meaning in my mind.

Charlie



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From: * <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re: [Fwd: (Bill's) Profanity/trashy language]
Date: 01 May 1997 16:14:49 -0500

Bill writes:

"in reality, trashy language merely shows a lack of vocabulary skills"

maybe you could explain to us what "clean" lyrics are.... i guess Ivans "trashy lyrics"   are...  ummm...
"dirty" ?

Too Bad Ivans choice of lyrical content/expression "saddens" and "disgusts" you...

...can we say freedom of speech Bill ?!!

R E L A X !!!!

Wolfgang


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From: Turtle <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Prized Possessions
Date: 01 May 1997 16:15:19 -0400 (EDT)


> On Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:43:33 -0400 (EDT) [e-mail] writes:
> >Not to stray too far off topic, but, I was wondering what CD each one
> >of us
> >may own that we would never let out of our site.
>
What would I keep?  Shit, I suppose, and in no certain order:

1.  Madness   -Mad Box 1-

2.  Matthew Sweet  -Supervixen- (Very rare)

3.  Cure  -Staring at the Sea-

Kinda eclectic, huh?


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From: Turtle <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Stuff
Date: 01 May 1997 16:08:11 -0400 (EDT)

>
> I do like almost all of PGTW, and think it's a really well-put-together
> album with every track a strong one.  I also like a couple of the tracks
> on 21st c., and I maybe even kind of like 2 or so from Sideways.  My
> problem is that the stuff starting at PGTW and continuing from there seems
> to be 'stifled' somehow by Ivan's changing of himself to form some image
> in an attempt to appeal to more people or seem 'deeper'.  In fact I think
> this served to have the opposite effect on me - the early works have some
> sort of simple honesty that the rest don't; they're very believable and
> 'true'.  As a result they seem very meaningful.  The later works seem to
> be more flimsy surface in an attempt to be something that's not.  They
> seem increasingly 'false' to me.  I feel disappointed in the directions
> taken and ashamed when my friends see the video stuff and come away
> thinking MwH were just another 80's band, pretending to make some stand
> on some issue that was popular that year.  For me the essence of MwH is
> the FOTE trilogy, and far too few people are willing or able to see that
> (I don't mean people on the list here; I mean non-MwH people) because
> there were so many more resources pumped into promoting the later images.

Who is to say what is Ivan's true honesty in his writing?  Maybe his true
self is much deeper than what he lets on to others.  I mean, hey, I am an
English major going into the field of teaching creative writing
(especially poetry), and if you look at my earlier stuff, sure it is
decent, but as compared to what I have written lately, it holds no
feather.  What i am writing now IS deep, IS honest to myself, and IS like
what Ivan wrote in PGTW.  Did you ever think that something may have
happened in his life that caused him to reflect back on his own inner
self and realize where his mind must take him?


>
> I also dislike the '2' and '4' and '+' substitutes, mostly because I
> think of them as being very 'junior-high-school' phenomena.  Maybe that's
> the direction someone is trying to take with Ivan's image now: bright
> colors, stars, and that bit.  It's along the same lines as my previous
> paragraph.  It's just too contrived.
>
I agree there, however.


> It seems like a transition happened around PGTW from being an 'innovator'
> to being an 'imitator'.  Early MwH style or 'image' is difficult to nail
> down because it's so unique.  It's much easier to 'classify' the later stuff.
>
Imitating, hardly.  Albeit "Pop Goes the World" and "Moonbeam" did sort
of become a sell-out to the conformity of Pop Culture in sound and style,
but not in emotion or depth.  Imitating, yeah right.


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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Profanity
Date: 01 May 1997 16:58:13 +0000

[Laura dons her flame-retardant suit]

Hmm, I'm no religion major, but ...

Judge not lest ye be judged

and/or

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone

???

First, let me say I respect Bill's convictions and would not deny
him the strength that he finds in his belief system.  But I will add
that Ivan is an *artist* after all, and I feel his works should be
viewed/heard in context and as a whole rather than judged on the
basis of the inclusion of one or two words or images or symbols.

:-)
Forever and ever,
Laura...

supporter of the First Amendment (which, as the architect of both
North Carolina's US History and Civics tests, I would like to point
out includes both freedom of speech and free exercise of religion)
and the Arts even though I live in the Land O Jesse [Helms]







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From: Steve Jackson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Looks Like I Got My Wish
Date: 01 May 1997 16:42:16 -0400

Hello, again everyone!

I think I got my wish of having the digestified version of this list
sent out on a daily basis (almost).  Yup, lots of discussion going on
here!  That's good to see.

As for the one or so CD I would grab if my house were going up in
flames?  I'd have to think about that one.  I like so many...  I would
definitely grab the 2-4-1 CD (how's THAT for emulating Prince? ;-)

That reminds me:  I only recently got Folk of the Eighties (Part III) on
vinyl.  I wanted to record it on tape, but I couldn't find a record
player that worked, and for the longest time, I thought that it was just
the record player making the voices sound funny in "Mother's
Opinion"...  ("Sounds familiar, but it doesn't sound the same..." - how
silly of me!)

Either that, or Carl's tape deck or CD player had the same problem as my
record player...

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From: [e-mail] (Jupiter Eight)
Subject: (hats) Re: [Fwd: (Bill's) Profanity/trashy language]
Date: 01 May 1997 17:55:18 EDT

On Thu, 01 May 1997 16:14:49 -0500 * <[e-mail]> writes:

>Too Bad Ivans choice of lyrical content/expression "saddens" and
>"disgusts" you...
>
>...can we say freedom of speech Bill ?!!
>
>R E L A X !!!!


Ummm...isn't that sort of contradictory? Bill has the freedom to speak
out against it too.

Rod


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From: [e-mail] (Jupiter Eight)
Subject: Re: (hats) Prized Possessions
Date: 01 May 1997 17:55:18 EDT

On Thu, 1 May 1997 16:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Turtle <[e-mail]>
writes:
>
>> On Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:43:33 -0400 (EDT) [e-mail] writes:
>> >Not to stray too far off topic, but, I was wondering what CD each
>one
>> >of us
>> >may own that we would never let out of our site.
>>
>What would I keep?  Shit, I suppose, and in no certain order:
>
>1.  Madness   -Mad Box 1-
>
>2.  Matthew Sweet  -Supervixen- (Very rare)
>
>3.  Cure  -Staring at the Sea-

Staring at the Sea? Wasn't that the video compilation?

Rod


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From: "William Black" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (hats) quick straw poll...
Date: 01 May 1997 16:31:43 UT

I'm still waiting for mine and I mailed my cash directly to Thomas back in
February I think.


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From: [e-mail] (Jupiter Eight)
Subject: Re: (hats) quick straw poll...
Date: 01 May 1997 17:55:18 EDT

I got only one of the two I ordered.

Rod

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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Stuff
Date: 01 May 1997 18:53:34 -0400 (EDT)

Hey Hats List,

     I've been following the topics, and I've noticed that people are
commenting on early versus late MWH, influences, and so forth.  Here's a
few things to think about.  I'd like to hear what people say.
     1)  In "Pop Goes the World," right after Ivan sings, "In some disco
dancing all night," there is an electronic octave beep that is taken from
the extended version of "The Safety Dance."
     2)  In "Life After Diamond Head," isn't that the same sliding,
up-and-down, electronic line from "The End of the World"?
     3)  On "KENBARBIELOVE," doesn't it sound a lot like The Beatles
singing "Can't Buy Me Love"?
     4)  Is the Mike Scott who co-produced "Sideways" the Mike Scott from
The Waterboys?
     5)  And, finally, Dave Turtle.  You're going to be a creative writing
professor?  So am I.  I'm at SUNY Binghamton in Binghamton, NY, and I'm
halfway through the MA Creative Writing Program.  What's it like at
Morehead St.? Is that where you are?  Where's Morehead St., anyway?  Do
you like it there?  SUNY Binghamton's kind of weird.  Most of the creative
writing seminars I've been involved in are less like reading your work to
a class and a professor and more like jumping into a pirahna pool with a
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From: "William Black" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Cd's in the Mail
Date: 01 May 1997 23:13:23 UT

Mere hours after I said I hadn't received my CD, it showed up in the mail!!!

THANKS A MILLION THOMAS AND LAURA!!!!!!!

Bill


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) the CD.. and integrity
Date: 01 May 1997 19:39:01 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-05-01 00:13:53 EDT, you write:

<< One thing about the new Ivan album that bothers me is the way the number
 "2" is used for "to" in the lyrics. Reminds me of Prince or something... >>

That's what I thought!  I usually don't have too much of a problem with
things like that, but I copied the lyrics over to a text file and switched
the 2s and u's back to standard English.

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From: "Michael R. Ward" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) religion and albums
Date: 01 May 1997 19:46:54 -0400 (EDT)

i have to agree with the person that was dissappointed with the negative
religious comments in ivan's newer works. i think he makes his point
better without it. that doesnt mean i dont think there is an occasional
use for a occasional off-color word to set a tone (re: title track from
o.m.d.'s "crush" lp.) but it doesnt work very well in the context of these
new songs. (2) i am surprised how different my tastes are then some others
in the group about favorites. i love sideways, p.g.t.w., freeways, and the
first one. i cannot even listen to adventures, and folk. i have warmed to
everything but these. (3) if i had three cds on an island it would be gary
numan "dream corrosion", nitzer ebb "showtime", and bryan ferry "in
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From: "Hiram Lester, Jr." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Stuff
Date: 01 May 1997 20:25:25 -0500 (CDT)

On Thu, 1 May 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

>      I've been following the topics, and I've noticed that people are
> commenting on early versus late MWH, influences, and so forth.  Here's a
> few things to think about.  I'd like to hear what people say.
>      1)  In "Pop Goes the World," right after Ivan sings, "In some disco
> dancing all night," there is an electronic octave beep that is taken from
> the extended version of "The Safety Dance."

Yep, a well known fact.

>      2)  In "Life After Diamond Head," isn't that the same sliding,
> up-and-down, electronic line from "The End of the World"?

Dunno about this one.  I'll have to re-listen.

>      3)  On "KENBARBIELOVE," doesn't it sound a lot like The Beatles
> singing "Can't Buy Me Love"?

Yep, the title of the song was a play on the Beatles song.  It seems that
Ivan or someone thought they were singing KenBarbieLove when he first
heard it.

> Where's Morehead St., anyway?

Morehead, KY

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From: [e-mail] (Jupiter Eight)
Subject: Re: (hats) Stuff
Date: 01 May 1997 21:59:59 EDT

On Thu, 1 May 1997 18:53:34 -0400 (EDT) <[e-mail]> writes:

>     3)  On "KENBARBIELOVE," doesn't it sound a lot like The Beatles
>singing "Can't Buy Me Love"?
>     4)  Is the Mike Scott who co-produced "Sideways" the Mike Scott
>from
>The Waterboys?


Weird...I wondered the same thing(s) only two days ago...

Rod


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From: Steven Enz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) It bothers me 2
Date: 01 May 1997 21:35:12 -0700

> > A tribute!!  Not likely.  I have a theory that Ivan is rather
> > disappointed with the state of pop music (and who can blame him) and is
> > MOCKING it!
>
> I have a theory that you're giving him entirely too much credit.

"Theory" is a poor choice of words.  Fact is, Ivan IS disappointed with
the state of pop AND I can't give him enough credit for trying to bring
about a change in what WE demand and expect from a pop artist.
I agree with the person who said that using 2, U and 4 is the equivalent
of an adolecent mindset (high school). No artist with any real sense of
art would stoop to using this in the hopes that they would finally make
it big!! Not today!!

> If it was the case in one song, then I might buy it, but doing it across the
> whole album is another matter entirely.

Why not? I think it's called a theme or a motiff, yes?  Some artists
actually have an attention span that lasts longer than one song, trust
me!

> While _PGTW_ undeniably consists of a number of statements about
> pop culture, I think the only distinction between it and the first two
> albums is the obviousness and pervasiveness of those statements.

I don't disagree.  Never the less, Ivan is disappointed with the current
level of intelligence in pop culture.

> Is it really too much to suggest that sometimes he (Ivan) writes serious
> songs and sometimes he writes silly songs?

This IS too much too ask!  Fun songs with some substance, yes.  Silly,
no!

> The use of U's and 4's is, essentially, a cute idea

Cute no.  Silly yes!

Is it too hard to accept that Ivan might be exceptionally gifted and
intelligent and is not suffering from anmesia of his integrity!! But is
presenting new ways to express his ideas without hitting us on the head
with them? A song called "I hate the use of the letter U for 'you'." is
not especially appealing!  And one song would not get anyone thinking
the way an entire album does.

last point - Doesn't Ivan's cover scream parody (read: mockery)?!  I
initially thought it was a cover for "The best of the 70's" or "Disco
Dancin' Groovin' Tunes"!!!  It's obvious to me that Ivan is mocking the
infatuation that pop culture has had for the "image".  It's a
continuation from using the snowman, elvis impersonator, and magician
costumes to pretend to be something bigger than they are.  Kinda'
reminds me of KISS!  Such cooool costumes, they're my heros! (No offence
to KISS fans who actually like the band for any real art they may have
done.)

BTW this kind of mockery is one of the reasons that makes PGTW the
masterpiece that it is!  Even the lipsynching was a blatant joke about
bands that do it seriously.

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From: [e-mail] (Eric Soderblom)
Subject: (hats) ???
Date: 01 May 1997 20:41:18 -0700

Hey all,
Wow, I am so happy to see that our little MWH mailing list has turned
out to be a forum for religious and ethical debates!  The poor guy
(Ivan) says a couple of bad words, and all of a sudden he's Satan.  I
think those of you who don't like his use of profanity should NOT LISTEN
TO THE MUSIC, and go check out www.christian-coalition.org.  Ok, off my
soapbox.  The 3 CD's I would bring on a desert island are;
1) Michael Jackson "Bad"
2) John Tesh "Live at Red Rocks"
3) Tiffany "Tiffany"
HA!!!!!!!!  :-)
Peace,
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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Prized Possessions
Date: 02 May 1997 00:01:46 -0400 (EDT)

Well, obviously the 2fer is pertinear the top of my list of CDs I own that
I wouldn't let go of for any price.  Then there's my Syd Barrett box set,
"Crazy Diamond" which is, sadly, no longer in print.  And my blinking LED
copy of Pink Floyd's "Pulse".  But really, the most highly prized recording
I own is not on compact disc that I know of - John Lennon's & Yoko Ono's
"Wedding Album" LP/box with all the trimmings!  I looked for it for well
over a decade before I finally got to even *see* one - and that's the one
I own!  When I get to the point where I can burn my own CDs, you can bet
that's one of the first albums I'm gwanna backup!

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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Stuff
Date: 02 May 1997 00:16:32 -0400 (EDT)

I checked out the www.toxrecords.com site today and listened to the
soundclip of the new Ivan track!  It really was exciting to finally
hear him sounding as if he's put his old original uniform back on!
It's a must have for me!

Although I think Ivan looks a little bit like a cross between Bono "The Fly"
and Deee-Lite.  Don't you think?

And...

You'll have to search far and wide to find a bigger John Lennon fan than
me but I will have to say that the whitewash job that's been given to his
1966 statement about Christianity and the Beatles really offends me.  He
didn't just say "We're more popular than Jesus."  Read up on it and find
out all of what he said.  It was completely uncalled for, I think.
Although I would never have gone to a Beatle bonfire because of it.
I think everybody's actions on that particular issue were all quite stupid,
John's included.

Myke


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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Prized Possessions
Date: 02 May 1997 00:19:05 -0400 (EDT)

Oh yes, I forgot.  I also have the only copy of The Beatles (White Album)
in *mono* on compact disc.  The US never got it in mono and it has never
been officially released on CD in mono either.  The quality of the mono
pirate I have is phenomenal and sounds equally as good as the real stero
oops/ stereo copy I also have.

Myke


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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Pop Art
Date: 02 May 1997 00:31:48 -0400 (EDT)

The assessment of the MWH albums I just read is correct.
Sorry I can't directly quote it with this editor I'm using.

The first 3 discs are excellent in their own right but Pop Goes The World
is the Hats' finest work of *art*.  There's no question about it.
Also, in one of the interviews towards the end of the fansmade video from
late last year, Ivan describes PGTW as being his own sort of "Sgt. Pepper"
and that it was the first time MWH had actually been able to spend a
serious amount of time/money making a really serious album.

After PGTW however, I dunno.

I've not heard "Sideways" yet except for the title track from its being included
on the video compilation.  I kinda like it and if the rest of the record isn't
too different from what I've heard, I think it will be one I can be proud of
owning.

But I thank the Lord my God that he's finally gotten back into the higher-tech
modus operandi.

Myke


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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) On Tuesday
Date: 02 May 1997 00:50:47 -0400 (EDT)

I have long considered "On Tuesday" to be the absolute best song on PGTW.
That and "The Real World" really grab my attention.

And how did Ivan manage to persuade Ian Anderson to play flute for him
on his album?!  I mean, I'm no Jethro Tull fanatic, but I do find it
to be a rather interesting choice of persons to invite to perform.
And why isn't he heard anywhere else on the album too?

Another prized possession of mine is the 12x5 coverart photo card thingy
that came in the original packaging surrounding my copy of PGTW when I
bought it the day immediately following the Hats concert here in Tulsa
in May '88.  I've always kept it so that the next time I meet Ivan I
can hopefully get him to sign the back of it.  Then I can put it with
the RoY and Fot80s LPs he signed for me the first time around!

Mke
oops/

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From: Steven Enz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Prized Possessions
Date: 01 May 1997 22:53:22 -0700

> Not to stray too far off topic, but, I was wondering what CD each one of us
> may own that we would never let out of our site.

I've mentioned this before but I don't mind elaborating a bit.  My
autographed PGTW means alot to me because it will always hold the memory
of meeting Ivan and chatting with one of the most sincere of persons I
have ever met.  I talked to him just before he performed one of his
Sideways concerts and after discussing guitars verses sythesizers, he
promised that his next album would be electronic. (See one of my
postings about a year ago.)  We shook hands and as I walked away he gave
me the peace sign with his hand and said "Peace Brother".  It might
sound a little corny but it meant alot to me because, in my eyes, I had
finally met the friend I had known for almost a decade before that.
This CD goes with me to my grave.

Senz


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From: MICHAEL MILLER <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) quick straw poll...
Date: 02 May 1997 01:25:31 -0400

At 18:29 4/30/97 -0400, Jeff Schacter wrote:
>How many people who ordered CD's from Thomas have not yet received theirs?
>

I'm still waiting (patiently) for my CD as well.

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From: "Russ Kemsley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (hats) Prized Possessions
Date: 02 May 1997 05:47:34 UT

I thought about taking my Beatles Christmas Album CD bootleg, but then thought
I would only really want to listen to it once a year so that would be a waste
(but I would probably grab it in a fire).

So my 'desert isle' CDs would be:
1. ROY/Folk3
2. Alice In Chains - Tripod
3. Alice Cooper - From The Inside

Myke: I had the original British mono White Album at one point in my
life...love the little differences, don't you? In fact, I'm sure I still have
a cassette of it around somewhere. I'll have to dig out those old boxes.
Also...speaking of the Wedding Album, I had a Japanese pressing of that, too.
Isn't that the one with 20 minutes of silence (or am I thinking of Two
Virgins)? Amazing what one sells when addicted to drugs :(

Everyone else: Sorry for the off-topic post. Not like me.

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From: Steven Enz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Image bothers me 2
Date: 02 May 1997 00:30:15 -0700

> I'm a big, big KISS fan!  Although I'm having a bit of trouble
> understanding your comments about their intentions by wearing costumes.
> I think KISS is the ultimate combination of style and substance.
> Without the style, their substance suffered.  But look at what has
> happened when it returned!  Yet their art has not changed at all.
>
> Myke

And if your a fan because you find their art enlightning and meaningful
then I respect that!

If, however, their costumes have dazzeled you into wanting to be just
like them when you grow up. Perhaps to be a rich and famous rock star
that'll blow audiences away with one stroke of your guitar. Then
something is missing.  In this case, you've missed the enlightenment,
wisdom, and communication from one human to another. You've missed the
constructive ideas and thoughts that might make the world a better
place.  You've missed the opportunity to understand someone a little
different from you.  All because you're so focused on that flashy image
that'll make you popular with the guys!  Who is at fault? The rock star
who is constantly rewarded by screaming fans or the fans who don't care
about enlightenment, wisdom or communicating?  Where does it end and who
will end it???

My 3 cents CAN.

Senz


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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (hats) Prized Possessions
Date: 02 May 1997 08:39:17 -0400 (EDT)

Everyone,


     If I were on a desert isle, I'd take my wife and leave all our music
behind, get into a few good books, go heavy on the sunblock, and learn how
to live on sailfish and coconut milk.
     But if everyone pressed me to take along some CDs, I wouldn't be able
to limit myself to three.  So here's my list:
     1)  MWH Oglio 2-for-1.  It would have to come along.  I'm still
amazed at the charitable, selfless, altruistic work of Carl, Laura, and
Thomas.  I mean think about it.  $25 for world class pop right to your
door?  I'm loving it, baby.  Having this on a desert isle would make me
think of all the good things in life, good music, good people helping you
out.
     2)  Wire Train--Ten Women
     3)  Cock Robin--After Here Through Midland, First Love/Last Rites (If
they  were in print anywhere and I could buy them)
     4)  The Reivers--Saturday, End of the Day, Translate Slowly (If they
were in print anywhere and I could buy them)
     5)  The Waterboys--This Is the Sea
     6)  MWH--Pop Goes the World.  I'd take this one because I agree with
everyone on the list who says that it's a great pop album.  It's a
landmark pop album.  PGTW is like zero on the pop timeline, and every
other form of pop is going off into infinity in either direction.  It also
reminds me of my senior prom because I almost didn't get a date that
year but thankfully wound up going with this great Australian girl named
Kez who moved to town three days before the prom.  At the prom, which was
held in the old junior high gymnasium (matadors, monkeys, and a million
balloons), they played "Pop Goes the World," and immediately I shouted for
joy, grabbed Kez's hand, and ran out onto the completely empty basketball
floor, dancing for all I was worth in my ivory tux and pink ruffled shirt.
Unfortunately, I was met with a chorus of boos and hisses.  Later, to the
tune of Billy Squier's "Everybody Wants You," the deejay told me they
weren't hissing at me, just the song.  Well, Kez went back to surfing in
Sydney, and I ended up in Binghamton, New York, as a graduate student in
the English program.  And here, I'm glad to say that no such heinous
displays of musical prejudice exist.  It's a place where you can dance if
you want to, a place where White Lion's "When the Children Cry" can still
be heard coming from every passing Ford Pinto, and where I still have to
drive for eight hours to get the music I like.  Either that or e-mail my
buddy Thomas in Germany.  Deutschland, ueber alles in der Welt!
     Speaking of desert isles . . .



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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) tachyon days?
Date: 02 May 1997 11:09:18 +0000

Hi everyone!

If you've noticed weird times on my posts, as Thomas did, don't
worry, the Temporal Police won't be banging down my door soon.  We
had a server glitch, which I think they have finally fixed.

Now it's only 4 days until "The Spell is broken"...

;-) Laura

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> Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 12:38:43 +0000
> [snip]


THAT's cool!

Leeeet's do the tiiiiiiime warp again . . .

;-)


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From: gigarpus <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) On Tuesday
Date: 02 May 1997 11:18:12 -0500

LORD HASENPFEFFER wrote:
>
> And how did Ivan manage to persuade Ian Anderson to play flute for him

Here is the story. While Yvan is in Britain recording PGTW, he send a
tape of ON TUESDAY to Anderson asking him if he could play flute on it
(in the chorus part). Anderson accepted and arrived in studio, having
written the flute part we now all know. The interresting part is: Yvan
was wandering how much Ian Anderson would charge for this performance.
He tough Anderson might either do it for free (being so rich) or for a
lot a cash (being so popular and famous). Well, he charged flat rate!
Yvan was positively impressed...

Claude


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From: "Lars Wendt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (hats) the CD.. and integrity
Date: 02 May 1997 09:29:02 +0200


Marty wrote:
>There is extreme genius in ROY & FOTE I & III, but the level of sheer
>art in Pop just blows me away.  The first time I heard Lose My Way I
>almost cried.  Ditto for The End.  Am I alone in this?  Am I alone?

No, Marty, you are not alone. I also tend to think of Pop as the peak of MWH
material. It is really genious. I think of it as a brilliant journey into
sound, melodies, production etc. I simply think of it as one of the best ever
produced, and I don't really believe it is intended as pure flirtation with the
public opinion. As a matter of fact I don't care if it is flirtation, when the
result is so perfect. I believe that FOTE III were more flirtatious than Pop
were. The song "Where do the boys go" is a natural follower of ROY, and was
sent to the market in a rather short time after the success of ROY. Not so

And, Marty, of course you're right once again when you say that there is
extreme genius in ROY and FOTE III (when it comes to FOTE I, I've never heard
it). Both these albums have good lyrics and fine melodies. There is no doubt
about that.

Quick poll:

What CD's are my most precious ? ( alas - difficult to get hold of)
1.....MWH - Pop goes the world
2.....MWH - ROY/FOTE III
3.....Neil Arthur - Suitcase
4.....Data - Accumulator
5.....F.R. David - Words
6.....Thompson Twins - Quick step and side kick
7.....Indochine - Le peril jaune
8.....The Twins - A wild romance
9.....Trans X - Living on video
10...Ryan Paris - Dolce Vita (EP)
11...Nasa - In the mist of time
12...Roxette - Pearls of passion
13...Gentlemen Without Weapons - Transmissions

__________________________________________________________________

Lars Wendt
Internet: [e-mail]
Oslo, Norway
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Old vs. New
Date: 02 May 1997 10:43:13 -0500 (CDT)

Hi all,

The recent talk about which is better, PGTW or the older stuff, got
me thinking again about why I like the earlier stuff the most. For
me I think part of the reason is that that was my introduction to
the band and that's all I heard for many years.

I bought the Safety Dance 45 way back in Junior High and played the
hell^H^Hck (oops - wouldn't want to offend anyone :) out of it. A few
years later a friend brought a MWH tape in the car on one of our
frequent summer forays to the movie theater. He'd taped FOT80s pt. III
and ROY onto one 90 minute tape and I was floored. I've never had so
many songs stuck in my head at once as I did after hearing that
tape for the first time. So I dubbed a copy from him and played
the heck out of it.

Off I went to college a couple years later, where I bought my own
copies of the albums, made another tape, and played the heck out of
it. Then I found the FOT80s I ep and Freeways which I thought were
way cool (Security is usually my favorite MWH song) which filled
out the ends of the tape nicely and provided a nice surprise for
my friend the next time I saw him.

PGTW came out and I saw the video on MTV. Wasn't too impressed and
didn't rush out to buy it. Gave 21st Century a listen in a used cd
store some time later and again didn't think it sounded like MWH
"should". Of course, I eventually came around and now have everything
I've been able to get my grubby little hands on, but the early stuff
is still my favorite, no doubt in part because of the many fond
memories I have of listening to (and singing along with) my old tapes.

So how 'bout it - did most of the people who think PGTW is the peak
of the band's output start with that album and then fill in their
collections later or did you think the early stuff was good but
were then amazed by the follow-up?

I know this "first exposure" thing doesn't always hold up, but
it does for many of the bands I've liked over the years including
R.E.M., XTC and The Reivers. But it doesn't for Concrete Blonde,
Metallica or Bad Religion so what can I say. Quite a lot,
apparently... :)

Doug


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From: Thomas Bieler <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) the CD.. and integrity
Date: 02 May 1997 17:52:47 +0200 (MET DST)

> Quick poll:
>
> What CD's are my most precious ? ( alas - difficult to get hold of)
> 1.....MWH - Pop goes the world
> 2.....MWH - ROY/FOTE III
Do you really think so? It is in print, so why should it be rare?
I still have a bunch of copies at home, so if you want one . . .

> [...]
> 12...Roxette - Pearls of passion
Ooops, there's a bootlegged version out which is available everywhere
here in Germany. I also own an original copy ;-)

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From: Steven Enz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Old vs. New
Date: 02 May 1997 11:08:20 -0700

> So how 'bout it - did most of the people who think PGTW is the peak
> of the band's output start with that album and then fill in their
> collections later or did you think the early stuff was good but
> were then amazed by the follow-up?

I've been a follower of MWH since before Safety Dance hit any chart! I
also believe that PGTW is THE best album ever, followed closely by ROY.

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From: [e-mail] (Donald Stroud)
Subject: Re: (hats) Old vs. New
Date: 02 May 1997 10:30:50 -0700

>
> > So how 'bout it - did most of the people who think PGTW is the peak
> > of the band's output start with that album and then fill in their
> > collections later or did you think the early stuff was good but
> > were then amazed by the follow-up?
>

Well, I've posted about this before, but I think "... In The 21st Century"
was their peak. "21st" just has so many levels to all the songs, and the
music is so lush and rich... it continues to blow me away.

But my favorite MWH song is "Bright Side Of The Sun", off of "Pop Goes The
World".

Counting down to May 6,
Don2
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From: Steven Enz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Image bothers me 2
Date: 02 May 1997 11:51:00 -0700

>
> What, more specifically, are you talking about?
>
> Myke

Well, if the emphasis on image gets to a point where it hides, masks or
even replaces the basic communication (and/or art) of one person (the
artist) to another (the fan), then the world is a poorer place.  Why?
Because, the last thing we need is more barriers preventing each of us
from understanding each other.  Have you ever tried to communicate with
someone who has an "image" to take care of? To quote Roger Waters, it's
like "banging your heart on some mad bugger's wall".

I don't kmow how else to put it, my friend.  :)

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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) PGTW
Date: 02 May 1997 14:23:04 -0400 (EDT)

>Finally, someone with balls enough to say that they truely love PGTW.
>Eric, I commend you.  What, and this is a question to everyone, do you
>feel about "On Tuesday"?  That song is held almost #1 in my heart.  The
>flute, the message, the sadness, the joy, all combined into one beautiful
>song.

I like (no pun intended!) PGTW album also.  The reason?  All the songs "fit"
so perfectly!  And I like the messages in them (the environment, etc).  But
most of all the instruments and style are so unconventional (like the flute,
the melody of "Jenny Wore Black", "La Valise D'Eugiene").  Actually I
haven't noticed it before, that album is SO DIFFERENT from the other pop
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From: Steve Jackson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) the CD.. and integrity
Date: 02 May 1997 14:52:18 -0400

[e-mail] wrote:

> ... I copied the lyrics over to a text file and
> switched the 2s and u's back to standard English.
>
> Dave K

Yeah, and I'll bet you like Ted Turner's colorized movies, too, eh?  ;-)

Steve
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From: Myke Carter <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Direct from www.kabalarians.com
Date: 02 May 1997 15:26:26 -0500

Ivan

Your first name of Ivan brings out individuality and independence as
predominant characteristics.  You are not inclined to merge your opinions
and viewpoints with others, to accept compromise, or to work in a
subservient position against your will. Your expression is invariably quite
direct and candid, and lacks the moderating tone of tact, diplomacy, and
friendliness. Others find it difficult to accept your domineering and, at
times, argumentative manner. Your circle of friends is restricted to those
of like nature. Once friendship is established, you are very loyal and
steadfast and do not tolerate gossip or criticism. In your close
associations and family life, there is little demonstration of sentiment,
appreciation, sympathy, or encouragement. It is difficult for you to find
the right words for such circumstances. Your name also gives you
self-confidence, initiative, and an inclination to physical activity.
Weaknesses in the health caused by this name centre in the head.


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (Fwd) RE: (hats) Prized Possessions
Date: 02 May 1997 20:51:22 +0000

Forwarded message:

These are a few CD's that I just could not live without:

Altered Images-Pinky Blue: This is the ultimate New Wave album full
of fun and quirky songs with a surprisingly negative lyrical slant to
contrast the bouncy music. A must for any music lover (although sadly
now deleted, again.)

The Three O'Clock-Sixteen Tambourines: This is another early eighties
gem only recently discoved, full of catchy 60's influenced eighties
alternapop.

Toyah-The Very Best of Toyah: This recently released collection
contains many of her great singles and a number of essential album
tracks that cover her more poppy sound and her ultra bizarre sound
with evident influences by Nina Hagen, Lene Lovich, Siouxsie, and
Hazel O'Connor. If any of you out there like any of these four you'll
love Toyah!

I can't list the 2 on 1 since I don't have one yet, CARL!!!

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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Pop My First?  No!
Date: 02 May 1997 21:55:09 -0400 (EDT)

Hey Doug,

I remember hearing "The Safety Dance" in the summer of The Great Year 1983
for the first time while mopping the floor after closing time at the
restaurant for which I worked.  There was a Who / Frank Zappa fan named
Dan who also worked there.  He really hated the new music of that time.
The radio in the dining room was on rather loudly and when it was over
I heard Dan say something derogatory (?) about it.  When I asked him
who it was, he said it was "Men Without..." (and grabbing the paper
hat off of his head and throwing it up in the air) "...HATS!!!"  It was
funny because you could tell he was just annoyed by the song to no end!
When he threw his hat in the air, he kinda looked like that Swiss Miss
in the video when she says "Dansez!".

That was really a magic time for Top 40 music in America even though
I wasn't really destined to realize that for two more years.
(For more on that, access: http://people.delphi.com/mykec/coolstory.html)
I remember that "The Safety Dance" and "Puttin' On The Ritz" were out at
the exact same time.  I only wish now that I had realized at the time just
how much fun I was actually having but wasn't allowing myself to really
enjoy.

Anyway, about a year later I discovered that the girl across the street
had the "The Safety Dance" 45 and I borrowed it - only to find that my
favourite SSSS AAAA FFFF EEEE TTTT YYYY part wasn't on it!  I was so
disappointed.

In 1986, I was browsing thru the cutout rack at a mall record shop near
my home and found an Italian import copy of RoY on Statik and vinyl for
only around $2 or $3.  I bought it immediately.
When I finally got to hear the whole album, I was so surprised by the
sheer crudeness of the drum machines and keyboards that it took me quite
a few listenings to really learn to like it.  It also didn't help much
to know that nobody else I knew knew anything about MWH - so I was making
all of this discovery purely on my own and that can slow the process sometimes.

I later found a cutout (US, this time) of Fot80s, III ibon vinyl but wasn't
very quick to catch on to what it was all about either.  My impressions of this
album today are considerably higher, especially now that I can hear it when
I walk around downtown where I work with it blasting from my DiscMan.

When PGTW was released as a single, I was excited to see them finally chart
again in the US.  I used to tape the new hits each week on American Top 40
with Casey Kasem back then and still have the tape I made of the first time
I ever heard it.  Casey, with one of his typically corny pre-commercial break
teasers called them "Dudes With No Chapeaus".  (If anybody wants a copy of
this tape, email me and we'll work something out.  It is a kind of rare
tidbit of MWH history - the first time AT40 played PGTW.)  I liked the song
quite a bit was not in any hurry to rush out and buy it.  (This was years
before I discovered this list you must realize!)  :-)

Three months later Ivan and Co. came to Tulsa to play his new stuff for us.
(http://people.delphi.com/mykec/hats88.html)  I managed to get Ivan's autograph
on both my Statik RoY and US Fot80s,III LP covers that night.  The next night
I did rush right out and buy my "Pop Goes The World" CD.  The show was amazing!
I couldn't believe how much better the quality of the production was over
anything else I'd heard from them before.  And the melodies!  And the punchy
drums and bass on "The Real World" and "O Sole Mio"!!  Fantastic!  I couldn't
get enough of it.

I used to do some small time DJ work back then too.  The biggest shows I ever
got to do were a couple of high school dances in one of the small peripheral
towns around Tulsa.  But I was sure from then on to always open every show
I did with the Pop Goes The World CD intro!!!  It was great!  Of course, I'd
have to switch over to a really good start song when the kid starts pitter
pattering across the floor so as not to lose all that built up momemtum though.
It was a great, powerful intro and I could tell a lot of them didn't know
what it was I was playing but they loved it nonetheless.  It was a different
way to begin an evening I'll tell ya.

I also was certain to also buy brand new copies of "PGTW" and "Moonbeam" on
12" when they were released.  I was really surprised to see that "Moonbeam"
was never to chart in the US Top 40.  I've always considered it the better
of the two songs.  America is weird when it comes to good pop music.

I never even knew "It21C" was released until early in 1991 when I went to a
guys house and saw it in amongst his sizeable CD collection.  I jokingly
offered to buy it from him, but he seriously replied I could have it for
$5.  No matter how many times I've tried to get myself to like it though,
I have never succeeded.

I didn't know anything about "Sideways" until late last year when I joined
this list.  I feel very lucky that I joined when I did, 'cuz now I have my
own copies of the video compilation and the 3CD set which to this day
completely blow me away!  And I also now have the 2fer and will have Ivan's
new CD as soon as I can figure out how to get it next week!

The thing that fascinates me most about all of this and being a member of
this list in 1997 is how sincere the fans in here are and how much, now that
I look back at all the 80s music I ever came to know and love, the music
of Men Without Hats is for me that which has endured the most.  It's almost
like I've been living in Hatsfandom by myself for so long that it caused me
to downplay the importance of Ivan's music in my life, but now that I've
found the rest of you and have realized that I'm not alone in it anymore
I feel as if no time has passed and Roy, Fot80s, and PGTW are all some
absolutely excellent brand new music to listen to and fall in love with
all over again!  And this is 1997, not 1987!!

Anyway, I didn't mean to turn this into a streams-of-consciousnes rambling
about my life's experience with Hats music but it seems to have turned into
it!

No Doug, Pop was clearly not my first Hats music to discover.
But there is no question in my mind that it is the finest they ever did.
It's just like The Beatles "Sgt. Pepper's" to me.  It's the pinnacle
of their career as album artists, but it's not the only great work they
ever recorded either.  I think it's the cohesive nature of the whole
thing that makes it so appealing - and the maturity of the production.

Ramble Off.

Myke


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Subject: (hats) [e-mail] no longer valid
Date: 03 May 1997 00:54:47 -0700

Hi everyone,

   I'm back on the list after my work E-Mail system has completely
shut-down. Those of you that I have written to might remember
[e-mail]. Please send E-Mail now to [e-mail]

Good News! I finally received my 2-for-1 MWH cd's from Germany!!! :)  I
was getting worried. Thanks again.

Thanks,

Francois
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From: Todd Draper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) 3CD Bootleg Set
Date: 03 May 1997 04:41:02 -0600

So far 12 people have responded to my offer to burn copies of the 3 CD
bootleg set that went around awhile ago. If anybody else is interested
please email me at [e-mail].

The more people we get the cheaper the blank CDs will be.

I still, however, need to borrow copies of the discs burn from. Please,
if anyone is willing to loan their discs to me send me an email. I'll
copy and send them back out to you within a day. If you want an extra set
made I'll do that for you at no charge.

Thanks,
todd


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From: [e-mail] (Jupiter Eight)
Subject: Re: (hats) Old vs. New
Date: 03 May 1997 10:18:27 EDT

On Fri, 02 May 1997 11:08:20 -0700 Steven Enz <[e-mail]> writes:
>> So how 'bout it - did most of the people who think PGTW is the peak
>> of the band's output start with that album and then fill in their
>> collections later or did you think the early stuff was good but
>> were then amazed by the follow-up?
>
>I've been a follower of MWH since before Safety Dance hit any chart! I
>also believe that PGTW is THE best album ever, followed closely by
>ROY.
>
>Senz

I've followed them from the beginning...but my favorites are in the order
of release.

Rod


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From: Steven Enz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Trans-X
Date: 03 May 1997 10:13:11 -0700

> >9.....Trans X - Living on video
>
> Speaking of Trans-X. After having the CD for quite some time now...I have
> to say that the 1983 album versions of most of the songs are a lot better
> than the 1986 redone versions on the CD. The former sound more raw and
> less produced and just plain better. ANyone else have these two and feel
> the same way? I would love to see Oglio records release the very first
> version of Living on Video.
>
> Rod

Rod!!  We agree on something!!!  ;)

I was definately disappointed with the new "3D Dance" and the
elimination of the bass voice especially. I had hoped to put my L.P.
version to rest once I got the CD.  Wrong!  The CD, as you say, feels
more contrived.
The original Living on Video would be a great choice for Oglio to
rerelease!  Wudda ya say Carl?

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From: Steven Enz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Image bothers me 2
Date: 03 May 1997 10:41:30 -0700

> Hmmm... I'm still confused by exactly how you're applying what you're
> saying to KISS and their costumes.  Are you dogging them for doing it?
>
> Or those fans of theirs who choose to look no further than the image?
>

I'm afraid I can't lay blame on anyone for what society perpetuates.

> What exactly is it that you derive from KISS' career and music, just
> out of curiosity?

I derive nothing, which may or may not be a shame.  I simply find it
easier to understand artists like Ivan, Peter Gabriel, Kate Bush and
Gary Numan than to dig through 16 layers of image to possibly find the
real thing.
And if you think I'm missing out on KISS, then blame "image" not KISS!

> Also, that's the first time I've ever heard anybody attempt to make any
> sense from the lyrics of "Outside The Wall"!  They're so ambiguous, I've
> never been able to figure out exactly what they're saying - and especially
> in relation to the awesome story that precedes it.

Whats the mystery?  The singer has an ego problem.  His "image" prevents
anyone from getting to know or understand him.  He feels isolated and
misunderstood.  His "image", ie. "The Wall" prevents anyone from getting
inside.  Tear down the wall....

> "The Wall" is rock's finest hour.
>
> Myke

It's a good album isn't it?

Senz


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From: Oglio Entertainment <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Trans-X
Date: 03 May 1997 16:20:39 -0700

> The original Living on Video would be a great choice for Oglio to
> rerelease!  Wudda ya say Carl?

Where can the original be found now? How can I tell the difference?

Carl


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From: [e-mail] (rod)
Subject: (hats) track 9
Date: 03 May 1997 17:35:25 -0700

Hey.

This may be a stupid question (admittedly it wouldn't be my first) but:

Does anyone know the name of track 9 on "The Adventures of Women & Men ..."

(1:10 between I'm In Love and Eloise & I).

Thanks.

Rod
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From: [e-mail] (rod)
Subject: Re: (hats) Trans-X
Date: 03 May 1997 19:47:43 -0700

>> The original Living on Video would be a great choice for Oglio to
>> rerelease!  Wudda ya say Carl?
>
>Where can the original be found now? How can I tell the difference?
>
>Carl
>
Hello.

I have the original version on a German import cd single.  It is 5:58
copyright 1983 Polydor International.  It says licenced from Mantra Records
(which is in Toronto but I'm sure you know that). It is also on a 1994 cd
called 80's Dance Party Volume 1 from SPG in Toronto (technically
Etobicoke).  This version is also 5:58.  There is a French version called
Vivre sur Video which is exactly the same but the vocals are in French.
These two versions came out at the same time (1983) as side a and b of a
12".  The remix version came out a couple years later and is much more
choppy (and terrible imho).  There is a completely different sound and feel
to it.  If you need info on these companies feel free to contract me.

While I have your attention, I wanted to point out how impressed I was when
I bought Richard Blade's Flashback Favorites Vol 6 with Shriekback's
"Nemesis" on it.  I don't know if you know this, but the version you have
included is extremely rare.  I heard that it was withdrawn due to copyright
infringement shortly upon its original release.  The version you have is
not available even on Shriekback's cds The Dancing Years (1990 US) or
Priests and Kanibals ... The Best of (1994 UK) despite the fact that they
both claim to...

Best wishes and please get M  w/o Hats 2fer domestic before I scream...

Thanks.

Rod
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From: [e-mail] (Jupiter Eight)
Subject: Re: (hats) Trans-X
Date: 03 May 1997 23:20:17 EDT

On Sat, 03 May 1997 16:20:39 -0700 Oglio Entertainment <[e-mail]>
writes:
>> The original Living on Video would be a great choice for Oglio to
>> rerelease!  Wudda ya say Carl?
>
>Where can the original be found now? How can I tell the difference?
>
>Carl

As far as I know the original is on vinyl only. I don't know where to
tell you to begin to even look except maybe the Dumpo records site on the
web. They have tons of Trans-x stuff. You could fill up a CD full of
their older b-sides/remixes too. The difference in sound between the CD
and the original lp is quite big. I was very dissappointed once I got the
CD...it was not the same at all. Sort of like taking Rhythm of Youth and
remixing it in 1986...you know what I mean...

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From: "Hiram Lester, Jr." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) track 9
Date: 04 May 1997 03:25:04 -0500 (CDT)

On Sat, 3 May 1997, rod wrote:

> This may be a stupid question (admittedly it wouldn't be my first) but:
>
> Does anyone know the name of track 9 on "The Adventures of Women & Men ..."
>
> (1:10 between I'm In Love and Eloise & I).

As listed on the CD, it's "Intro: Eloise"

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From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) stuff
Date: 04 May 1997 17:10:59 +0100

well, as a musician, songwriter and everything else I personally wouldn't
use religious references for shock tactics, but I wouldn't say that I
would not use them at all.  If the song warranted it then it'd stay in...
and as for saying that ppl wouldn't play the track because of it then its
a) their own choice and b) a waste.  Why dump a whole track for one line?
 Swearing is usually viewed as a lack of language skills, but
occasionally I feel that it might be warranted.

Anyways, this line of thought will go on forever and nothing anyone says
will change it.  I dont 'believe' in any one religion but I wouldn't hold
it against anyone who does...  personal choices again.........



Mike


PS Alaska Highway's album out in September.....


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From: Steven Enz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Image bothers me 2
Date: 04 May 1997 13:02:54 -0700

Here is an alternative interpretation:

> All alone or in twos           (spouse, parents, friends)
> The ones who really love you
> Walk up and down outside the wall  (try to pass your facade)
> Some holding hands                (there is strength in numbers)
> Some gathered together in bands   (teaming up against your facade)
> The bleeding hearts and the artists  (Roger Waters, Ivan, etc)
> Make their stand                   (write and sing about it)
>
> And when they've given you their all  (tried everything to reach you)
> Some stagger and fall       (some give up)
> After all it's not easy
> Banging your heart against some mad bugger's wall.
   (because it's not easy getting close to someone who has an image to
protect)

A bleeding heart is someone who sometimes blames society for an
indiviuals behavior/personality.

Although it might be a little early (by a couple days?) to start
evaluating Spell, I can judge by the very flashy cover (which has an air
of being extremely egocentric) that Ivan is taking on this "image" in
order to show us how bad it is.  A tactic used notably in Jonathan
Swifts "Proposal" and used by many artists since uh er... I don't know
when.  (Help me, all you English majors!!!)  Anyway, if the English
majors will let me get away with it, I believe it's called satirical
irony??  Certainly PGTW was based on this and possibly Sideways as well.
(Sideways fans can send their mail-bombs to [e-mail])

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From: paul b go <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) 2fer
Date: 04 May 1997 14:43:23 -0500 (CDT)


HA! Got it.... Thanks Carl, Laura and Thomas.  Sounds GREAT!  Now to get
the original cd's, the 3 disk boot and the video.


Paul Go
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From: gigarpus <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MWH video
Date: 04 May 1997 16:46:37 -0500

What is that video everybody is talking about? Is it the one of the show
Men Without Hats did for television at le Spectrum de Montreal?


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Subject: Re: (hats) Image bothers me 2 and Jonathan Swift
Date: 05 May 1997 07:37:39 -0400 (EDT)




> Although it might be a little early (by a couple days?) to start
> evaluating Spell, I can judge by the very flashy cover (which has an air
> of being extremely egocentric) that Ivan is taking on this "image" in
> order to show us how bad it is.  A tactic used notably in Jonathan
> Swifts "Proposal" and used by many artists since uh er... I don't know
> when.  (Help me, all you English majors!!!)  Anyway, if the English
> majors will let me get away with it, I believe it's called satirical
> irony??  Certainly PGTW was based on this and possibly Sideways as well.
> (Sideways fans can send their mail-bombs to [e-mail])
>
> Senz

Senz,

     That's an interesting parallel--between Jonathan Swift and Ivan.  But
I have to say that I have to take your word for everything you say about
"The Spell" because I have no idea what the cover looks like, what the
music sounds like, or what anything about the entire CD is like because,
like, I live in Binghamton, New York, and, like, it's like living in a
music black hole, man.
     When is it coming out?  I've heard everyone say May 6th.  Is that a
Canadian release date or does that stand for us Americans, too?
     Anyway, I normally wouldn't say anything, but since you asked for
help from the English majors, and since I just finished writing a 25-page
critical paper on Swift, and since I've just completed a graduate seminar
on Swift, and since I'll be taking the final exam for that seminar on May
12th, and since I wish I could get Ivan's new CD before that time to cheer
me up, I'll put in my three cents.
     Edward Said, in his book, "The World, the Text, and the Critic," says
the following about Swift, which relates to what you were saying about
Ivan and his use of satirical irony in the pop world:  "Swift is
invariably attacking what he impersonates.  In other words, his technique
is to become the thing he attacks, which is normally not a message or a
political doctrine but a style or a manner of discourse" (87).
     Is that what you mean?  That Ivan is impersonating what he's
attacking and attacking what he's impersonating?  That's an interesting
way of looking at MWH and Ivan, kind of a sideways way of looking at the
whole pop world.  I must admit that I've always listened to MWH because of
the music, but what you're saying makes a lot of sense.
     I only wish I could see and hear what everyone else has seen and
heard so I could feel what it's like to fall under "The Spell."
     Maybe I was too hasty when I jumped on the list and started bragging
about the 2-fer I got so early . . . (Thanks again, Laura, Thomas, and
Carl)



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From: Steven Enz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Image bothers me 2 and Jonathan Swift
Date: 05 May 1997 09:39:58 -0700

>      Edward Said, in his book, "The World, the Text, and the Critic," says
> the following about Swift, which relates to what you were saying about
> Ivan and his use of satirical irony in the pop world:  "Swift is
> invariably attacking what he impersonates.  In other words, his technique
> is to become the thing he attacks, which is normally not a message or a
> political doctrine but a style or a manner of discourse" (87).
>      Is that what you mean?  That Ivan is impersonating what he's
> attacking and attacking what he's impersonating?  That's an interesting
> way of looking at MWH and Ivan, kind of a sideways way of looking at the
> whole pop world.  I must admit that I've always listened to MWH because of
> the music, but what you're saying makes a lot of sense.
>
> Matt B

There ain't no way I coulda speaked it gooder myself!!!

Not only that, if Sideways is also an example of satirical irony, my
respect for that album has increased astronomically!  (Although, it
appears to be a bit more subtle in Sideways than PGTW.)

Thank you, English major Matt, for finishing what I could not.  :)
BTW, Matt, if you have access to the internet, check out
<http://www.toxrecords.com/ivan/index.htm>. This site will show you
everything known about Spell (pictures, a sound clip, lyrics, etc.)

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From: gigarpus <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) The Spell
Date: 05 May 1997 12:01:33 -0500

Hi everybody!

I will be attending the "launching party" for The Spell in Montreal, the
7th of may (that's next wednesday evening, in two days). I'll keep you
inform about release dates for the world!

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From: Harding Jeff <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) IVAN!
Date: 06 May 1997 10:07:30 -0400

All,

I'm on the phone with HMV in Montreal (1-800-567-2442) and they've got
150 copies of Ivan's CD in stock....I got mine!!!

Good luck!

-Jeff


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From: Harding Jeff <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Anybody else...
Date: 06 May 1997 13:15:48 -0400

order their copy of 'The Spell' today?
Can't wait to hear the whole thing!

Jeff H.
Northern Virginia, U.S.A.


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From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan's the spell
Date: 06 May 1997 19:13:30 +0100

anyone got the serial number so I can order it on import???????

moose (aka mike in a moose outfit)


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Anybody else...
Date: 06 May 1997 15:56:25 -0400 (EDT)

Four copies are on their way to three owners in south central Ohio!

I am _so_ happy!

Dave K


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From: [e-mail] (Donald Stroud)
Subject: Re: (hats) Anybody else...
Date: 06 May 1997 13:49:25 -0700

>
> Four copies are on their way to three owners in south central Ohio!
>
> I am _so_ happy!
>
> Dave K
>

At 7:30 AM Pacific time I called and ordered. The order guy told me that
the CD would be going out around 4:00 PM his time, which means that,
with luck, I'll be spending this weekend under Ivan's "spell"!

Now if my friend in Germany would only go CD shopping for me...

Don2
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From: "Gregory T. Samson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) 2-fer arrived!
Date: 06 May 1997 12:41:20 -0700

yay!  my 2-fer is here!

to all those still waiting: keep the faith.  it's an enormously vindicating
feeling when you actually get the package in hand. :)

thanks so much thomas and laura!

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From:    Vince Silvaggio <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Heard Ivan's new one
Date: 06 May 1997 19:05:49 -0400

Hi all you Hats fans out there!  This morning, I went to a record store here
in Montreal and bought Ivan's new CD, The Spell.  Looks like Ivan was in a
dance/rap mood when he conceived this one, folks.  I have to give it a
couple more listens before I can get used to it.  But I will.  It's _Ivan_ ,
you know.

Also, for you people out there who are able to catch MusiquePlus, Claude
Rajotte will be reviewing the album on his Cimetiere des CD Friday night.
Let's hope he has some good things to say.  When he announced the upcoming
review, he referred to Ivan as "a legend of alternative music".  For you who
have no idea who Claude Rajotte is, he was one of the first people here in
Quebec to have a show dedicated to music videos way before any of these
music channels we know so well ever hit the air.  He is very revered in the
Quebec music industry.  He knows what he's talking about.  Keep your fingers
crossed for Ivan.

Happy listening, folks!
Vince
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From: [e-mail] (Henning Schmiedehausen)
Subject: (hats) The Spell
Date: 06 May 1997 21:10:12 +0200

Hi!

With the upcoming spell release and my imminent departure into
holidays: Is anyone willing to buy this one for me and swap it for
cash / gift / german album? Laura? Daniele?

    Ciao
        Henning

P.S.: I'll be leaving for the canaries on sunday and not be back
before Jun 1st. So, don't worry if I don't answer to E-Mail. I'll get
back to you.


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From: "Bradley N. Hull" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) THE SPELL IS HERE
Date: 06 May 1997 21:33:44 -0400

At 6:46 pm I purchased the only copy of The Spell in Guelph.

I have been in heaven since!  This CD is VERY different - and VERY good
(imho).

There is definitely a dance influence to the overall CD, but it's done in a
very "Ivanesque" way, with lots of poppy catchy synth melodies, lots of
variation in vocals from whispers to rapping to Ivan's great singing voice.
 I have always been a real fan of the upbeat, fast moving, danceable MWH so
I REALLY like the new Ivan sound.

I'm on my second full listen through and I keep coming up with different
bands that the sound reminds me of - everything from ABC to Madonna (not in
a bad way!!).  I also hear a strong resemblance to some of the more recent
stuff from OMD and Human League.  It's such an eclectic (sp?) mix of
different and diverse sounds that really work together well.  Of course,
there is an unmistakable underlying Ivan/MWH feel, but I hear more of a
relationship to 21st Century and PGTW than ROY and FOTEIII.

This CD is on its way to a permanent slot in my CD shuttle in my car.  I
think I'll have to buy another one to keep in the house so that I don't
forget to move it back and forth!

I also received my 2-4-1 this week and have a set of the "bootlegs" on
order.  What a fantastic time to be a MWH junkie!  Thanks sooooooo much to
Carl, Thomas, Laura, Todd, and most importantly IVAN.  If you're out there
lurking Ivan, thank you soooo much for keeping all of us loyal fans happy.
And WELCOME BACK.  I wish you the greatest success with The Spell - I'll be
doing the hard sell to all of my friends!

Now all I need is a live fix.  I'm off to check the Toxrecords site to see
if any dates are posted.

Fully under The Spell.....
Brad


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From: [e-mail] (Henning Schmiedehausen)
Subject: Re: (hats) the CD.. and integrity
Date: 06 May 1997 20:58:35 +0200

[e-mail] (Lars Wendt) writes:

>13...Gentlemen Without Weapons - Transmissions

Oh Lord and I thought I'm the only being on this planet searching for
this album... :-)

If anyone has this on CD and is willing to make a gold disc... :-)

    Ciao
        Henning

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From: MICHAEL MILLER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Yesss, the postperson has delivered
Date: 07 May 1997 02:38:31 -0400

Yesssssssss!!!!

I just got my 2CD set of ROY/Folk. I've been playin' it in circles singing---
Thanks Thomas, Laura, and Carl. It's much appreciated.

Sans un chapeau dans Gatorland,

Mike Miller
Department of History
University of Florida
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From: Humphrey Loe <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) I got the Cds and the Cds are here!
Date: 07 May 1997 09:37:26 -0700

Many thanks to Carl, Thomas and Laura for making it possible to hear
those wonderful albums in full digital glory. I'll still keep my vinyl
for nostalgic and sentimental reasons though.

Also, many thanks to Ivan and MWH for sharing their creative genius with
the world!

Humphrey


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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) I'm sooooo glad!
Date: 07 May 1997 13:20:11 +0000

Hi Hatters!

I am *very* relieved to hear/see all the pings from people who are
getting their 2-fer CDs.  WHEW!!!  Those who are still waiting, hang
on!  I got one more yesterday, so they're still dribbling in.

I ordered The Spell yesterday from the HMV in Toronto.  I made the
call at *just* the right time of day, apparently, as the girl said
that the mail would be picked up in an hour and she would make sure
that my order went out then!!!  She said that their store had gotten
a lot of calls, too.  Maybe with all this $$ that Ivan is making from
CD sales, he can extend his tour to include the southern US <vbg>.

This will be the first weekend we have had in a while without a dog
show, so I have put "talk to the T-shirt shop about MWH shirts" at
the top of my "D'oh, I really needed to do that last week" list.
Hopefully, info will be forthcoming next week.  (BTW, last weekend,
we got our first qualifying score towards our AKC Novice Agility
title - yaaaay Cocoa!)

On a humorous note, a co-worker was trying to catch my attention this
morning, but I was so engrossed in what I was doing, I didn't hear
him.  He went to the ToxRecords site and played the clip from Open
Your Eyes.  I heard the opening synth line and *leapt* over boxes of
test items to *sprint* to his cube in under 3 seconds.   He smirked,
"I thought that might get your attention."  Better than a pager, eh?

Must dash, as yet another crisis rolls down the pike...

;-) Laura


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From: GARBOWSKI JR CHARLES R <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) how much
Date: 07 May 1997 14:05:26 -0400 (EDT)

To all those in the US who ordered Spell from HMV in Canada:  How much did
it cost?

Thanks
Charlie



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) The Spell is broken, do you want a copy????
Date: 07 May 1997 18:09:06 -0400 (EDT)

Hey hats fan!!!

I just got my copy of The Spell...  Wow,   Dance, electronic.... Back to the
good old time!!!!

The sound is very near ABC,  Pet shop boys, very  very good.


I went to HMV Montreal and they have a bunch of disk.  I gave my name to the
lady.

If you want a copy, leave me a message.
Price for THE SPELL (taxes and delivery included) : 22$

I did reserve 5 copies.  If you are interested, leave me your name
personally.

Ciao!!!!!!!


P.s.  Claude, dont forget to tell us about the BIG LAUNCH!

Francis


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Interview
Date: 07 May 1997 18:11:58 -0400 (EDT)

Hello again.
I just taped an interview with Ivan at Place Ville Marie.  He talked about
the new album.

Ciao

Francis


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From: Myke Carter <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) My HMV Encounter O' The Day
Date: 07 May 1997 17:15:26 -0500

I just got off of the phone with HMV to purchase a copy of Ivan's new
CD.  I finally, finally, finally convinced them that a VISA debit card
functions just the same as a VISA credit card!  And I did this in only 7
hours!  Can you believe it?!  They actually didn't want to accept it at first
and kept telling me they couldn't - but then finally did.  Geez!  We'll see
what happens now.

I would suppose that my call was a good English-learning experience for
the dear woman on the phone.  Bless her heart.  There are some
parentheses in my work mailing address and she didn't understand me
when I said 'parentheses'.  It was fun trying to describe a set of
parentheses without using that word.  Gosh, I love French!  I wish I
understood how to speak it at all.  Silly me studied stupid Spanish in high
school.

Oh well.

Thanks for posting the phone number here in the Hats mailing list so I
could order it.  I'll let you know if I get it or not - and when, if I do.

Myke





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From: "Howard Abraham" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (Fwd) (hats) My HMV Encounter O' The Day
Date: 07 May 1997 19:43:06 +0000

I ordered a copy from HMV today, too.  I think they are getting
accustomed to phone calls from the lower 48!


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From: [e-mail] (Jupiter Eight)
Subject: Re: (hats) My HMV Encounter O' The Day
Date: 07 May 1997 21:33:31 EDT

On Wed, 07 May 1997 17:15:26 -0500 Myke Carter <[e-mail]>
writes:

>Thanks for posting the phone number here in the Hats mailing list so I
>could order it.  I'll let you know if I get it or not - and when, if I
>do.


I have to second that....believe it or not I was in such a rush this
morning I would hae forgotten again...

Rod


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From: Tempe Video <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Order The Spell?
Date: 07 May 1997 19:17:31 -0800

Hey folks,

I accidentally deleted the listing with the number of the place in Canada
to order THE SPELL. Would someone mind re-posting it for me? Thanks in
advance...


Regards,
J.R. BOOKWALTER

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From: Turtle <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) ???
Date: 07 May 1997 19:49:21 -0400 (EDT)

On Thu, 1 May 1997, Eric Soderblom wrote:

> Hey all,
> Wow, I am so happy to see that our little MWH mailing list has turned
> out to be a forum for religious and ethical debates!  The poor guy
> (Ivan) says a couple of bad words, and all of a sudden he's Satan.  I
> think those of you who don't like his use of profanity should NOT LISTEN
> TO THE MUSIC, and go check out www.christian-coalition.org.  Ok, off my
> soapbox.  The 3 CD's I would bring on a desert island are;
> 1) Michael Jackson "Bad"
> 2) John Tesh "Live at Red Rocks"
> 3) Tiffany "Tiffany"
> HA!!!!!!!!  :-)
> Peace,
> Eric
>
Hey, don't knock Tiffany.  She's my sister.

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From: [e-mail] (Jupiter Eight)
Subject: Re: (hats) how much
Date: 07 May 1997 21:33:30 EDT

$16.99 Canadian plus $5.00 shipping.

Rod

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) new to the mailing list
Date: 07 May 1997 23:40:04 -0400 (EDT)

Hi,

My name is Ray and I just subscribed to the mailing list yesterday. I have
been a major hats fan since '83!  Looking forward to reading and writing
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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) I am Spellbound
Date: 08 May 1997 00:38:30 -0400 (EDT)

Guess what I got today!!!!


Yuppers, Ivan's first solo CD, "The Spell"!  My thoughts on it are as
follows.  I must warn you that I will give some reviews of songs so if you
don't want to read them and discover the songs for yourself then delte this
message now!! :)


Here goes......

THE COVER:  Love it!  I really don't know why I like it, but...well, I do!
I like how his "logo" is a close-up on the back.  The photo of Ivan is
clasic Ivan.  With that frank, blunt, "as-a-matter-of-fact" smile (has
anyone else noticed this?).  I have to admit that I love the shoes!  For
some reason I think I saw that picture somewhere before.  Why aren't there
any lyrics??  Oh well.  There's always  http://www.toxrecords.com.  By the
way, on that site, there's an e-mail address to "Ivan".  Does anyone know if
that is his address or an address about the CD?  Anyone know what the
"UFORIA" logo on the back of the CD is?

THE SONGS:  I admit that this album will have to grow on me BUT there are a
lot of songs that I LOVE!!!  "Superbadgirls", "Open Your Eyes", "1972
(Slippin' Away)", "Fly", and a few more which don't come to mind right now.
I agree that the album is reminicent of "PGTW" and "21st Century" in a
really dancey style.  Other songs are too hiphoppish for me. There is a song
where Ivan sings with the voice he used in the extended versions of "Pop
Goes The World".  "www" surpised me in the classic Ivan way.  I was waiting
for a song about the Internet (and maybe a mention of this list) but it
really means "what a wonderful world" (not the song).  "1972 (Slippin'
Away)" seems to be Men Without Hats/Ivan meets Abba, Village People, Boney M
meets mid-eighties pop meets "Born To Be Alive"!  It is such a GREAT song!
The woman talking in the song sounds like the woman in Mitou's "A Funny
Place (The World Is)", where Ivan sings backup.  I haven't checked my Mitsou
tape but I am sure it is her because in both songs you hear a woman laugh
and they are the same laugh (big deal, eh?).  "Outro" is a nice touch.  Just
like the MWH days ;)  I assume there are no hidden tracks.  Anyone find any?

THE CREDITS:  Hm, I see a Betty Doroschuk is listed.  Could she be the
"Betty" in the "Eugene & Betty" he always sings about and dedicates "I Know
Their Name"? And some of the MWH staff are listed (not band members).  I see
Colin Doroschuk wrote a song.  Interesting to see what the other MWH members
do.

THE SINGLES:  What I mean is, the songs I would choose to be released as a
single.  Besides "Open Your Eyes" of course (has anyone heard this on the
radio?).  "Forever", "Superbadgirls", and "You".  I think "1972 (Slippin'
Away)" would do very good in clubs.  "Open Your Eyes" should do very good on
the dance stations.  I hope it does!  I should request it.


OVERALL:  It feels so SURREAL that this album exists!  I thought for sure
MWH would never record again.  Especially since I heard Ivan went back to
school for film when I first subscribed to this wonderful mailing list.
Even though I said it would take a few listens to grow on me, this album has
many outstanding tracks (I am just not a fan of hip hop) and it is a must
for your MWH collection!  I only wish he also added French lyrics :)


Anyone know if Ivan is trying to "forget" or seperate his present career
from the Men Without Hats days?   The only reason why I am asking that is
because a lot of 80s bands now seem to be trying to leave that decade
behind.  I hope Ivan doesn't feel that way because he really has NOTHING to
feel ashamed of!




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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) My HMV Encounter O' The Day
Date: 08 May 1997 09:17:24 +0000

Hi Hatters!

Before I say anything else, Claude, please PLEASE tell us EVERYTHING
about the premiere party last night.  PLEASE?!?!?  (don't make me
whine - it's ugly)

Myke said...
> I just got off of the phone with HMV [horror story deleted] I wish I
> understood how to speak it [French] at all.

Try (Francois, correct my grammar s'il te plait)  Si vous ne voulez pas
accepter mon argent, j'acheterai le disque quelque'ou d'autre.
{If you don't want to take my money, I will buy the disc from
someplace else.}  And if anyone really gives you a hard time, I have
several choice phrases that a French teacher wouldn't have taught
you.  ;-)

Or, try the HMV in Toronto, where they mostly speak English, except
for adding "eh?" at the end of sentences.  ;-)  That # is
1-800-567-8468.

My chat with them went like this...
Me: My address is [blah blah blah] and the town is Efland.
HMV salesgirl: Efland? Is that in Ontario, eh?
Me: It's in North Carolina, USA, eh.
HMV girl: Oh, OK, eh.

Hope I haven't offended *too* many of our friends to the north!

:-) Laura


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From: gigarpus <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) My HMV Encounter O' The Day
Date: 08 May 1997 12:41:36 -0500

Hi everybody!

First about the HMV incident in French:

> Myke said...
> > I just got off of the phone with HMV [horror story deleted] I wish I
> > understood how to speak it [French] at all.
>
> Try (Francois, correct my grammar s'il te plait)  Si vous ne voulez pas
> accepter mon argent, j'acheterai le disque quelque'ou d'autre.
> {If you don't want to take my money, I will buy the disc from
> someplace else.}  And if anyone really gives you a hard time, I have
> several choice phrases that a French teacher wouldn't have taught
> you.  ;-)
>
When some french people are rude with you, you don't use such
sophisticated sentence! Go for the basic "Vas chier" (pronounce "vaw
shee-ey") and then hang up. I won't translate.

> Before I say anything else, Claude, please PLEASE tell us EVERYTHING
> about the premiere party last night.  PLEASE?!?!?  (don't make me
> whine - it's ugly)
>
About the premier party; I hated it (it's so boring). BUT, it was nice
seing Yvan again (last time was 7 years ago at a Lenny Gravitz concert).
He was thinner than ever. He wore a Kiss wollen cap and pink sunglasses!
(It reminded me of school days, Yvan always wore a woolen cap, EVEN
DURING CLASSES!). He was full of adrenaline with all those reporters
buzzing around him with microphones and cameras. He told me that he will
be putting on some shows in late june in Canada (starting in Toronto). I
asked him if he had a personnal e-mail address. He gave me the Tox
record one. So if you want to reach him, that would be the most
efficient way (he assured me he personnally read all e-mail addressed to
him).
The party was at a big fashionable restaurant on top of one of the
highest sky-scraper in Montreal (Place Ville-Marie), a place where they
don't usually allow people like me in (hey hey!). The record was
loop-playing for the duration of the event, but the sound was not very
good (to much noise from the crowd).
I was also very please to meet Michel Langevin (drummer for Voivod). I
directed 4 musical clips for Voivod, and I was the one who introduced
them to Yvan (Michel played on SIDEWAYS, and Yvan played some keyboard
for Voivod, on the ANGEL RAT album). All in all, nice peoples in the
wrong place. If some of you are interested, I could scan the press-kit
they were distributing at the party and make it available on the net?

Anyway I have to go to work now, bye!

Claude


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From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) HMV boys 'n' girls
Date: 08 May 1997 19:09:23 +0100

Aren't HMV a friendly bunch!  Just ordered 3 copies of the spell, but
have to wait up to 10 days for them... oh well, i suppose thats what
happens when you live in London!

If anyone else tells me how good it is in the next 10 days I'm gonna kill
'em  :-)


Moose (aka mike in a moose outfit!)


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From: Jeff Schachter <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) IT CAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 08 May 1997 16:11:46 -0400 (EDT)

Hi!

Just wanted to share my joy with everyone....

MY CD CAME!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you Larua, Thomas, Carl, and Ivan et al.!!!!!!!!!!

Now I can concentrate on finishing my thesis...  all to the tune of the very
simple melodies!

Jeff




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From: GARBOWSKI JR CHARLES R <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) price
Date: 08 May 1997 16:24:11 -0400 (EDT)


Can anyone tell me if there is a price difference between the HMV in
Toronto vs. Montreal.  I would assume not since it's the same chain but
you never know.  Also does one have more in stock and thus would be able
to get it to me faster?

Thanks again,
Charlie



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From: gigarpus <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) I am Spellbound
Date: 08 May 1997 17:50:42 -0500

Daniele Rossi wrote:
>
By the
> way, on that site, there's an e-mail address to "Ivan".  Does anyone know if
> that is his address or an address about the CD?

That's his address...
>
> The woman talking in the song sounds like the woman in Mitou's "A Funny
> Place (The World Is)", where Ivan sings backup.  I haven't checked my Mitsou
> tape but I am sure it is her because in both songs you hear a woman laugh
> and they are the same laugh (big deal, eh?).

Same woman: Linda Benoy

> Anyone know if Ivan is trying to "forget" or seperate his present career
> from the Men Without Hats days?   The only reason why I am asking that is
> because a lot of 80s bands now seem to be trying to leave that decade
> behind.  I hope Ivan doesn't feel that way because he really has NOTHING to
> feel ashamed of!

He is not trying to forget anything!

Bye!


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) 2-fer HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 08 May 1997 19:58:45 -0400 (EDT)

Hi Everybody,

Could someone please help me locate a copy of the "Rhythm Of Youth/ Folk Of
The 80's" 2-fer CD please!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks very much.

Ray


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) !!!!!
Date: 08 May 1997 23:26:54 -0400 (EDT)

Hi gang!

The "Betty" into the CD credits, she's Ivan's mother....

Ciao!

P.S. the price in montreal for THE SPELL taxes included is 19.05....

ciao again

Francis


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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) price
Date: 09 May 1997 11:35:05 -0400 (EDT)

>Can anyone tell me if there is a price difference between the HMV in
>Toronto vs. Montreal.  I would assume not since it's the same chain but
>you never know.  Also does one have more in stock and thus would be able
>to get it to me faster?


I bought mine in Toronto where it costs $15.99 (plus 15% tax). That is, the
one on Yonge Street at 333.  Price differs from store to store in Toronto.




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From: Harding Jeff <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) The Spell....
Date: 09 May 1997 12:19:08 -0400

Well, I found a CD player in an office down the hall, and was able to
give a 1st listen to Ivan..Here is my INITIAL feedback on the CD:

1. The Spell            Not my taste
2. Superbadgirls        Good
3. Chain Reaction        Not my taste
4. Open your eyes        Totally AWESOME!!
5. 1972 (Slippin' away)    Good
6. You                Not my taste
7. Forever            Very good!
8. www                Not my taste
9. Somethin            Very good!
10. Fly                Very good!
11. Outro            Not my taste

Any feedback from others?? Remember, these are MY INITIAL
feelings...they could change!

Seeya...


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From:    Vince Silvaggio <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan's other recordings...
Date: 09 May 1997 17:54:53 -0400

Hi y'all.  Just finished watching a French interview with Ivan on
MusiquePlus and was startled to hear that between the time Sideways came out
and The Spell appeared, get this...he recorded a whole bunch of other songs
including French jazz(!?!) and a follow-up to Sideways(!!).  When asked
where these songs are, Ivan replied that they were in his drawers at home.
Wouldn't you just love to look through his drawers to see what kind of stuff
you can find!!  Maybe some unreleased RoY stuff?  Man.

Later,
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From: Harding Jeff <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) I GOT MINE!!!
Date: 09 May 1997 11:37:41 -0400

All,

I ordered my 'Spell' CD from HMV Montreal on Tuesday morning, 5/6....I
work in Reston, Virginia and just went to my mailbox...THERE IT WAS! I
can't wait to pop it in and give it a listen!

TGIF!

-Jeff


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From: James Kramer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan's other recordings...
Date: 09 May 1997 18:52:02 -0700

Hi Hatters!

Vince Silvaggio wrote:
[snip]
> Wouldn't you just love to look through his [Ivan's] drawers to see what > kind of stuff you can find!! [snip]

Yeah, and finding some music would be cool, too!  Tee hee hee.  ;-)

Sorry, it's Friday and I'm a bit punchy.

Anyone who tried to get ahold of me at work this week and had zero
success, I don't hate you -- I think our server has PMS or something.

Claude, what is chier?  I got the vas part ;-) but is chier French
French or Canandian French?

L8R!!

;-) Laura


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From: david richards <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan Interview
Date: 09 May 1997 20:55:27 -0400

Hi,

Well, it looks like I am finally going to be able to interview Ivan for
the next issue of Lexicon (due July 1).  But, I would like some help.
If you guys have questions you would like me to ask, please email them
to me (not the newsgroup, please).

-I'll probably ask him about the background to the current Cd and whats
he has been doing recently, so don't worry about that part.  What I
would like are insightful, intelligent questions.

If I use one of your questions (and you send me your snail mail address)
I will send you a copy of the magazine with the interview in it.
Otherwise, as publication time get closer I'll post how to get a copy.

Also, I would like to put Ivan on the cover, but don't have a picture.
If anyone has a recent, good picture on the guy, let me know (don't send
me any right now please, thanks).

Thanks for your help.  Just to let you know that I love reading all of
the messages here, a year ago I had no idea anyone even remembered MWOH!

-Dave Richards
Editor, Lexicon
PO Box 1734
Wheaton, MD 20915

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) ROY poster
Date: 10 May 1997 10:26:16 -0400 (EDT)

Hi Everyone,

Just came across a 24 X 36 MINT condition promo poster of ROY. It's kind of
pricy, but if you are interested, send me an E-mail and I'll let you know how
much and where you can get it. See ya!

Ray


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) greatest hats track list?
Date: 10 May 1997 10:30:18 -0400 (EDT)

Hi again,

Could someone please give me the track listing for "Greatest Hats"? Thanks!

Ray


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From: [e-mail] (rod)
Subject: Re: (hats) greatest hats track list
Date: 10 May 1997 11:00:52 -0700

>Hi again,
>
>Could someone please give me the track listing for "Greatest Hats"? Thanks!
>
>Ray
>
Safety Dance 2.43
Living In China 3.01
Antarctica 3.25
I Got the Message 4.39
I Like 4.12
Where Do the Boys Go 3.53
Freeways (Euromix) 5.45
Pop Goes the World 3.44
On Tuesday 4.08
Sideways 4.53
Editions of You 3.53
Safety Dance (extended) 4.32
Where Do the Boys Go (extended) 6.17


Rod
Los Angeles
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) My taste
Date: 10 May 1997 18:12:36 -0400 (EDT)

To answer to Jeff Harding, here is my appreciation for the spell.

1. The Spell            Good
2. Superbadgirls        Very Good
3. Chain Reaction        Fair
4. Open your eyes        Totally AWESOME!!
5. 1972 (Slippin' away)    Very good!
6. You                Fair
7. Forever            Very very good
8. www                Good
9. Somethin            Very good!
10. Fly                Very good!
11. Outro            welll...... we could forget this one!!!

Ciao!

Francis



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From: Saul Hazan <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Just saying 'Hi'
Date: 10 May 1997 23:02:32 +0100 (BST)

The welcome message says I should introduce myself - seems a kinda
friendly thing to do.  Also gives me a really good excuse to ask the
lamest question of them all.

My name is Saul, 33, British, living in West London and if you really care
you can see a picture of me on the Home Page I run for an Australian
singer (see signature).  I purchased the first two MWH albums when they
were first released on vinyl here in England and sadly lost them when
moving house.  I guess I just touch of what the group was up to and as I
couldn't find anywhere to get hold of replacement albums, I stopped
looking.

Came across the WWW site quite by chance and, through it have managed to
order the Greatest Hits cd.  Yes, you can feel the lame question coming,
can't you?!  OK, here it is.  Where on Earth can I buy the rest of the
albums?  Not fussed about the format, cd/tape/good ol' vinyl...anything.

Glad to know I'm not the only person left in the world who appreciates
great music.  Anyone want to drop me a line, feel free.

All the best,

Saul

Saul Hazan.
London, UK. ([e-mail])
Web site: You can find my tribute to JUDITH DURHAM at -
http://www.hammel.demon.co.uk/judypg1.html
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) WHO ARE YOU!!!???
Date: 11 May 1997 00:15:35 -0400 (EDT)

Hey hats fan...

I'm here since a couple of months now but I dont knoe everybody and where are
you in the world.

You see, I live in Montreal, home of Men without Hats, and what I see if MWH
is more popular out of Montreal....


Just for the information of everybody, may be we could introduce ourselve.

So my name if Francis Joannette
I am from Montreal quebec Canada and I speak French and English
I love MWH since 1981

and YOU!

Ciao!

Francis


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From: gigarpus <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) WHO ARE YOU!!!???
Date: 11 May 1997 03:36:19 -0500

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Hey hats fan...
>
> I'm here since a couple of months now but I dont knoe everybody and where are
> you in the world.

My name is Claude Gregoire
I'm from Montreal, Quebec, Canada and I speak french (salut Francis),
english, greek, cambodian, spanish, german, japanese & latin (but I only
write french and a bit of english).
I've been a fan of MWH since before the beginning (1978).

Bebye!


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From: "Thomas Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) WHO AM I
Date: 11 May 1997 09:35:53 -0400



----------
> From: [e-mail]
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: (hats) WHO ARE YOU!!!???
> Date: Sunday, May 11, 1997 12:15 AM
>
> Hey hats fan...
>
> I'm here since a couple of months now but I dont knoe everybody and where
are
> you in the world.
>
> You see, I live in Montreal, home of Men without Hats, and what I see if
MWH
> is more popular out of Montreal....
>
>
> Just for the information of everybody, may be we could introduce
ourselve.
>
> So my name if Francis Joannette
> I am from Montreal quebec Canada and I speak French and English
> I love MWH since 1981
Hello,
I'm Tom Norman.
I am in Columbus, Ohio, USA and speak English, a little French but its tres
terrible!

Hey Francis,
When do you think IVAN will be performing in Montreal this summer?
I think this would be a perfect time for me, and other Hats fans, to come
up and see you -- and IVAN in a show!
Tom
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) New Musik
Date: 11 May 1997 17:00:59 -0400 (EDT)

Sorry to have something off topic going to everyone, but someone on the list
wrote to me recently about my New Musik CDs. I accidentally deleted their
note. If you're reading this, please write back. Thanks!
-Andrew



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) HATS BEACH PARTY!
Date: 11 May 1997 19:22:00 -0400 (EDT)



Tom>>> I want to organize a weekend HATS BEACH PARTY.
I guess that should be a great idea!

Ciao!

Francis


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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) WHO ARE YOU!!!???
Date: 11 May 1997 19:25:56 -0400 (EDT)


>You see, I live in Montreal, home of Men without Hats, and what I see if MWH
>is more popular out of Montreal....
>Just for the information of everybody, may be we could introduce ourselve.

Bonne idee, Francis!

I am Daniele Rossi.  Don't let the name fool you, I am male.  It is Italian
for "Daniel".  Anyway, I'm 23 and supposed to be a computer aniamtor but I
am going back to school to take computer programming (a lot more jobs).  And
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From: [e-mail] (Donald Stroud)
Subject: (hats) The Spell
Date: 11 May 1997 16:41:45 -0700

WOW! I came home this morning and found a package from HMV in my mailbox. I
ran up the stairs and tore it open. I spent approximately three seconds
admiring the artwork before I ate through the plastic wrap, opened the jewel
box, and thrust the CD into my player. I've now listened to it four times,
and here are my critiques (whether you want them or not):

    The Spell        Enigma-like, with echoes of "You & Me". Very
                haunting way to start the CD.
    Superbadgirls        Fun and poppy. I love the chirpy analog synth
                sounds bubbling away in the background. Ivan
                has added a lot of house beats to this album.
    Chain Reaction        Kind of standard. Not a bad song, but it
                didn't really grab me.
    Open Your Eyes        MAN! This song is such a breath of fresh air
                for this early 80s fan. I could listend to
                this over and over and over... and the lyrics
                are kind of appropriate to a situation I find
                myself in now...
    1972 (Slippin' Away)    I was bobbing my head to the beat, and then it
                hit me: I WAS ENJOYING DISCO RHYTHMS! At least
                it's not completely disco. Very energetic.
    You            Poignant. Another "21st Century"-sounding
                song. And Colin wrote it. I'm glad to see that
                he and Ivan are still "together" in the music
                biz.
    Forever            This is a great song. The female voice harmonies
                are just lovely. Another song that's going on
                a tape for my car ASAP.
    www            Someone else commented on how they were afraid
                that this would be another lame Internet-based
                song, and so was I. But it's actually a good
                song about just enjoying what you have. (At
                least that's my take on the song...) He tried
                a different style with this, and I think it's
                pretty cool.
    Somethin'        Frantic. Sort of Pet Shop Boys-ish. Not a
                standout, but still fun to listen to.
    Fly            The third truly awesome song on this disc.
    Outro            A lot of people on the list have complained
                about this snippet. Why? It's GREAT! You
                just gotta love those 2000-bpm drum samples...
                I would love to hear an entire song based
                around this...

So there you go! It's definitely one of the best CDs I've gotten this year.
I'll be listening to this for a long, long time.

Now, I have to keep my fingers crossed that Ivan will come to California...

Don2
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From: [e-mail] (Jupiter Eight)
Subject: Re: (hats) WHO ARE YOU!!!???
Date: 11 May 1997 23:45:55 EDT

Ok...here goes:

My name is Rod MacQuarrie. I'm 31 years old and a husband and father of
two boys. I work at an office job writing technical manuals and designing
their web page. I'm originally from Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario, Canada
where I got my first dose of MWH. Folk of the 80's 3 was the album that
converted me. I now live in Kalamazoo, Michigan which is about halfway
between Chicago and Detroit on I-94.

I spend a good deal of my spare time in my 32-track digital studio in my
basement where I am working on my own music. I have many vintage
synthesizers from the 80's and am very influenced by groups like Japan,
Men Without Hats, Flock of Seagulls, Tears for Fears, Gary Numan, early
Duran Duran, and Alphaville (to name a few). Some day within this century
I hope to come out with an album on CD...that is if I can find enough
free time to accomplish it. I've found that if you are single you can't
afford equipment and if you're married you can't afford the time...such
is life!

Later...

Rod



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From: "William Black" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Autobiography
Date: 12 May 1997 04:27:56 UT

I am Bill Black, full time religious fanatic, part time dentist, Men Without
Hats fan since 1985. I had a missionary companion in Brazil who had the ROY
and Folk III tapes. After a couple of listens, I decided I would by their
tapes when I got home in 1986. Pop Goes the World came out and I was not
initially impressed because I expected more synth. But it turned into my
favorite.
    I only speak English and Portuguese despite taking 2 years of French and home
studying Russian. It's hard to concentrate on language skills while listening
to MWH singing O Sole Mio loudly...


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From: [e-mail] (Eric Soderblom)
Subject: (hats) Who the heck am I?
Date: 12 May 1997 02:42:18 -0700

OK,
My name is Eric Soderblom.  I am 24 and live in the Bay Area (S.F. CA,
USA).  My favorite band is Men Without Hats.  It used to be Depeche Mode
for about 6 years, but their last 2 albums have been crap.  I like
everything from the Pet Shop Boys to Barbra Streisand.  Despite the fact
that I live near San Francisco, and like Barbara Streisand, I am not gay
(not that there is anything wrong with that).  I am presently getting my
pilots license and hope to be either a commercial or jet charter pilot
someday.




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From: "Lars Wendt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) WHO ARE YOU!!!???
Date: 12 May 1997 08:03:10 +0200


OK.. These are the hard facts:

My name is Lars Wendt. (That's a male name, yes) . I'm 28 years old and I=
 work =

as an account manager at the largest ISP in Norway (Telenor Nextel). Orig=
inally =

I'm from a town called Tonsberg near the coast, but now I live in Oslo. I=
've =

been a hats fan since 1983, but at various levels of intensity. =


"I got the message"
I remember back in the spring of '83 or '84 when I got completely hooked =
to =

"The Safetydance". I really enjoyed it a lot and discussed this with my f=
riend =

at that time. Groups like Heaven 17 and Depeche Mode were also cool group=
s at =

this time and they were definitely synth-bands, which was the coolest thi=
ng on =

earth. But my friend disappointed me as he didn't think that MWH was a re=
al =

synth-band.  Maybe I still try to prove him wrong? "If they don't dance, =
well =

they're no friends of mine".

"The great ones remember"
During the years I bought FOT80's and liked it almost as well as ROY. Whe=
n PGTW =

came, I didn't buy it, but listened to it and made a tape copy. And when =
"In =

the 21st century" came I just stumbled across it in a little record shop =
some =

time after it was released. But I wasn't very impressed of this record. S=
ome =

time in 1991 I started searching the net and came across the FTP archives=
 where =

I found that MWH had released or were about to release "Sideways". Of cou=
rse I =

started looking for it, but it took nearly three years until I received m=
y CD =

copy of it. In the meantime I also bought PGTW on CD, and I started looki=
ng for =

ROY and FOT80 on CD. Most of you readers know what kind of task that is. =
During =

the last years especially PGTW and ROY has grown upon me again. I also fi=
nd =

that I begin to like Sideways! =


"Things in my life"
My spare time is spent being with friends, listening to music, attending =

concerts, and skiing in the winter. The last concert I attended was Jean =
Michel =

Jarre here in Oslo, and the next will be Kula Shaker. This means that my =
love =

for the synth-music has changed. I still like it a lot, but I also find a=
 lot =

of other musical directions exciting. At present I've got over 1700 CD's,=
 so I =

guess someone would call me addicted, stupid, or something!? I know there=
's a =

chinese saying which says that when you've got a lot of things, you' don'=
t =

really got them, they've got you! =


L8R...

Lars
__________________________________________________________________

Lars Wendt
Internet: [e-mail]
P.O.Box 393, Sk=F8yen, 0212 Oslo, Norway
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From: Thomas Bieler <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) WHO ARE YOU!!!???
Date: 12 May 1997 18:16:29 +0200 (MET DST)

Claude,

> My name is Claude Gregoire
> I'm from Montreal, Quebec, Canada and I speak french (salut Francis),
> english, greek, cambodian, spanish, german, japanese & latin (but I only
> write french and a bit of english).

Do you want to say that you *SPEAK* Latin but don't write it???
C'est tres cool!!
I'm absolutely blown away!

Thomas


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From: Oglio Entertainment <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) WHO ARE YOU!!!???
Date: 12 May 1997 12:32:52 -0700

I'm Carl Caprioglio. I own a Hermosa Beach California based record
company called Oglio Records. Oglio puts out all sorts of fun stuff
ranging from Men Without Hats to Jackie "The Joke Man" comedy CD from
the Howard Stern Show.

My assistant came up with the idea to put out a best of Men Without Hats
and I have been hooked ever since.

Carl


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From: Marty McKolskey <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) And you would be....?
Date: 12 May 1997 12:26:33 -0700


What's up?  My name is Marty McKolskey, and I currently live down in Los
Angeles, California.  Originally from Toronto, I came down here to go to
UCLA (graduated '96).  Now I'm a web designer, and hope to have the
spare time to actually put together a Men Without Hats site.  (Complete
with chat, so we can all talk a little more fluidly!)  I've been a fan
for about 10 years, and am proud to declare them my favorite band.  I'm
a mass media entertainment junkie, with a couple of thousand CDs and
nearly a hundred videos.

Favorite bands: MWH, Tragically Hip, Spirit of the West, Barenaked
Ladies, Live, Pet Shop Boys, Grays, Ben Folds Five, Matthew Sweet,
Robbie Robertson (bigger list suppressed, be thankful)

Employer: http://www.citysearch.com

Toy: http://www.webeye.com

Homepage: http://www.1001.com

Spare time spent doing...: Songwriting, designing, looking for a better
paying job.

(I don't know about you, but for me this is part discussion group, part
support group; I've spent the last six years or so being heckled for
being a hats fan.  Now I'm among friends!)

Email addresses: [e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail]

<marty email="mailto:[e-mail]" home="http://www.webeye.com">
Do you need a silencer if you're going to shoot a mime?
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From: Adam J Weitzman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Who be me?
Date: 12 May 1997 16:28:13 -0400

My name is Adam J Weitzman.  I'm a 27-year-old software engineer, and
I've lived in the Boston area for most of my life.  I'm a huge music fan
and collector, and have acquired over 2700 CDs, starting from 1985 when
I bought Big Audio Dynamite's debut CD.  I'm a huge fan of all sorts of
music, except for opera and country&western.

I started loving MWH when I taped "The Safety Dance" off the radio, and
have liked all of their albums quite a bit, except for _21st_Century_
which has its moments.  My favorite MWH songs are "The Safety Dance," "I
Sing Last/Not For Tears," "Hey Men," "Things In My Life" and "Freeways,"
and the first two albums are, for me, their definitive documents.  I
tried to see them when they were touring for Pop Goes The World, but the
club changed the show from 18+ to 21+ at the last minute and I couldn't
get in.  The only real MWH "rarities" I own are the "I Got The Message"
12" and the "Pop Goes The World" CDV.

That's my story, and I'm sticking to it!!

--
Adam J Weitzman                   "What is is,
Individual, Inc.                   What is not is possible."
[e-mail]            - Einstuerzende
http://www.individual.com            Neubauten


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From: GARBOWSKI JR CHARLES R <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) I am what I am
Date: 12 May 1997 17:03:13 -0400 (EDT)


I'm Charlie Garbowski.  I'm a 20-year old who is a full time MWH fan.  I'm
at Fredonia State University (in New York) as a BFA Performance Major
(theatre) and a Communications Major with an Audio/Radio specialty.  I've
been a hats fan since '83 (yes I know I was only 6 but I've always been
able to appreciate good music.)
Take care all,
Charlie



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From: david richards <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Who Am I (Once Again Back Its the Incredible!)?
Date: 12 May 1997 18:28:37 -0400

Hi-
My name is David Richards, 30 (!) years old and I live in Washington DC.
I am going to American University, hope to get a masters and eventually
a doctorate in Political Science. In my "spare" time I edit a magazine
called "Lexicon".

Lexicon started off as an ABC fanzine but now is basically about any
sort of pop music from the 1980's. It's been a lot of fun so far, I've
gotten to interview some of my heros like Thomas Dolby and Martin Ware
of Heaven 17.  I also hope to soon interview Ivan (keep your fingers
crossed). If you want a free copy just send me an envelope with two 32
cent stamps (or an IRC or two if your up north, three elsewhere) -
Lexicon, PO Box 1734 Wheaton, MD 20915

I love ABC (duh), Heaven 17, Thompson Twins, Talk Talk, Pet Shop Boys,
Prefab Sprout, Dolby, etc etc etc.

Always liked MWOH, didn't believe Carl when he told me that there were
all these people who felt the same way!

-Dave Richards

"I don't believe I caught your name?"
"I don't believe I dropped it"


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From: "Senz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) WHO ARE YOU!!!???
Date: 12 May 1997 17:12:42 -0700

Well, my name is Steven Enz (otherwise known here as Senz) and I'm
32 years old and happily married.  I live on the 33rd floor of an
apartment building here in Calgary.  I have a degree in visual arts
from the University of Regina.  I've always been interested in
science and technology and am currently working on a degree in
Electronics Engineering at the Calgary campus of Devry.

I've written and recorded some 100 synth art/pop songs (a' la MWH,
Pet Shop Boys, OMD, Jane Sibbery etc) which I have finally moved to
CD.  I had my own personal studio which I gave up a few years ago in
favour of dark room equipment and a telescope.  (I've been interested
in astronomy since age 4).  I also have a cat named Sheba and regret
teaching her how to turn off a light switch!

Senz




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From: Saul Hazan <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) This is great!
Date: 13 May 1997 00:01:25 +0100 (BST)

I seem to have started a trend here by describing a little about myself!

Has anyone noticed what a wonderfully varied bunch we are?

Saul.



Saul Hazan.
London, UK. ([e-mail])
Web site: You can find my tribute to JUDITH DURHAM at -
http://www.hammel.demon.co.uk/judypg1.html
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From: [e-mail] (Donald Stroud)
Subject: (hats) WHO AM I?
Date: 12 May 1997 16:35:38 -0700

Hello, everyone receiving this list.

My name is Donald Stroud 2. I am a 31 year old Caucasian male with one blue
eye and a slight limp from when I was 4 and tried to stop an industrial fan
with my foot.

I was born in a rotting wooden shack in the wilds of the former Czech Republic.
When I was but 7 months old my father sold me to a Moroccan spice trader who
was on his way to the Congo. For six long years I lived in a moist sack, my
only friend an albino howler monkey who I affectionately named "Skippy".

Eventually the Moroccan traded me to an Australian tourist for a pack of
Marlboro Lights. I spent three years as his personal "assistant", rubbing
him down with scented oils and letting him put out his Cuban cigars on my
forehead. One night, during a police raid, I escaped through the sewer
system and made my way to the harbor. I hid aboard a ship bound for the
United States.

The ship docked in New Jersey, and I was able to secure a job as a stamp-licker
for a local envelope-stuffing pyramid scheme. Once I had saved up enough
money, I bought some clothes and went out into the world. Not three minutes
into my journey, I was beaten by Quakers and left to die in a shopping mall
fountain. I was rescued, but in the beating I was afflicted with severe
amnesia. The police tried to help, but they misidentified me as a Southwestern
pig farmer named Billy Joe Tuggle who had been missing for several months.
I was delivered to Texas, and spent many ignorantly-blissful years raising
crops and castrating hogs. But one fateful day, while playing in the barn,
a tractor engine snapped the chain from which it was hanging, and fell onto
my head. The blow caused me to remember everything - EVERYTHING! - and I
made my way back to the Czech Republic.

My parents' house was gone, burned to the ground. But in the smoking wreckage
was the remains of an audio cassette. That cassette was... yes, you guessed
it, the "Saturday Night Fever" soundtrack.

Then I came back to the United States, and I've loved Men Without Hats ever
since.

Don2
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From: Daniele Rossi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Soem stuff to ask about
Date: 12 May 1997 20:48:57 -0400 (EDT)

Ivan's first band Heaven 17.....has anyone tried to get copies of their
album(s).  That is, if they released any.  And I see a pattern forming here;
first "Sideways" was released only in Canada and now "The Spell".  Anyone
know why?  Ivan doesn't want to release internationally?
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
Daniele Rossi
[e-mail]
Read some comics at  http://www.interlog.com/~daniele



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From: Jeff Schachter <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (hats) WHO AM I?
Date: 12 May 1997 20:54:10 -0400 (EDT)

>My name is Donald Stroud 2.

*sob*  What an incredible life.  Moved me beyond words.

I must know... what ever happened to Skippy?

Jeff
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From:    [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) WHO AM I?
Date: 12 May 1997 22:16:00 -0400


 Dude.. You have a cool life! I am truly amazed.. did you come up with ALL
 of that on the spot, or just the pig farmer bit.. Anyway, that was funny.
 Thank you. I will go pee now.. (why, why you ask? When you gotta go,
 you gotta go.. oh no.. never mind.. I don't have to go anymore.. eeeeww..)

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) I AM I
Date: 12 May 1997 22:19:01 -0400 (EDT)

Hi,

    My name is Ray Peterson and I am from Rhode Island. I am 32 years old,
married, and have a 7 month old son and a cat. I am a logistics manager for a
small company and a part time pet groomer. I have been a major "hats" fan
since '83. I luckily got to see them live in November '83. I came home one
weekend from school in Chicago just to catch them, and it sure was great!

    Now to music!!

Music is my passion! I love all kinds of music, especially early - mid 80's
stuff. I have just about 1500 CD's and 900 albums. Some of my favorites are:

MEN WITHOUT HATS (of course). FISCHER-Z, TOY DOLLS, KRAFTWERK, RHEINGOLD,
OZRIC TENTACLES, FLOCK  OF SEAGULLS  to name a few.

My life is almost complete. The only thing missing is a ROY/FOLK
2-fer!!!!!!!!!!!

Ray


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Sustacek)
Subject: Re: (hats) WHO ARE YOU!!!???
Date: 12 May 1997 22:09:25 -0500 (CDT)

   Hi.  My name is Jim Sustacek.  I'm 17 years old.  I'm not sure if I'm the
youngest person on the list, but I'm probably pretty close.
   Until 1995, the only thing I heard relating to MWH was Weird Al's "The
Brady Bunch" (parody of "The Safety Dance").  One of my brothers dug deep
into my other brother's closet to find some 80s tapes, and he brought out
ROY.  I listened to it and I don't know exactly why, but I loved it.  Now
I've worn that tape out.  I found a gazillion copies of ROY and FOLKIII on
record for nine cents each, but they do me no good anymore because my
brother has taken back his record player.  I'm really desperate for a job
now so I can buy the 2-fer.  In the meantime, the last 3 albums, Collection,
and the bootlegs will have to tide me over.
   Do you ever wonder what this list will be like in 10 years or so?


Jim



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From: "Bradley N. Hull" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Whom Am I?
Date: 12 May 1997 23:36:20 -0400

Brad Hull
32
Software sales
Living in sin
Never lived in a sack
Golden Retriever
Hats fan depuis 1982
Ridiculed by many since 1982 (or sooner!)
Still a hats fan
Still ridiculed by many
Envious of those of you with CD collections of 2500+ (makes my ~500 look
piddly) (btw, do you build your own racks to hold that many?)
Happily Hatting and Spelling away every day
Still hoping Carl will discover the Spoons, Pukka Orchestra and Boys
Brigade to perform magic re-releases on...Carl?.....Can you help me?

Later tater! (anyone recognize what band that is from?)
Brad


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Might as well jump on board...
Date: 13 May 1997 02:34:38 -0400 (EDT)

I guess I should open up a little...

My name's Greg Baerg and I turned 26 last month.  I've been a fan of MWH
since The Safety Dance and have been in love ever since.  I started a MWH fan
board on Genie many years back, where I kept in touch with Jim Davis and I
think Thomas Norman was on there as well...

In my spare time, I try and make it as a writer here in Southern California,
and also do some web work.  I have a web site on the Mining Company dedicated
to Cop TV Shows.  Check it out if you're a fan (http://coptv.miningco.com).

My favorite bands are MWH, Shriekback, The Bolshoi, The OTher Ones,
Propaganda, and many many more.  I have a Bolshoi homepage @
<http://members.aol.com/shriekman/MUSIC/BOLSHOI/Bol1.html >

Anyways, enough self-promoting.  :)


Talk to you later!

Greg


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From: "Russ Kemsley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) I am you
Date: 13 May 1997 07:23:09 UT

'It's My Turn'

I'm Russ Kemsley of Bellevue, WA.
32.
Working at a local software company.

My intruduction to MWH was in 1984 while in Japan. My Roommate had the
ROY/Folk3 combination on a single cassette which I quickly copied and wore
out. I had not heard The Safety Dance or any other MWH material so it was all
fresh and I really dug it. When I got home from Japan, I bought the ROY
cassette and Folk3 vinyl (promo) which have lasted me to this day. The
cassette still sounds good with only a few dropouts and the vinyl still sounds
great, even after hundreds of playings.

I bought PGTW vinyl at some point, but have no idea what happened to it.

It wasn't until recently that I picked up the other recordings, Sideways,
21st, Folk1 (a-la Thomas Norman) in that order. I'm waiting for my next trip
to Vancouver for Spell (next trip will probably be the concert).

Other musical tastes:
Alice In Chains
Stone Temple Pilots
Alice Cooper
Metallica
Pink Floyd
The Who
Led Zeppelin
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From: Dave Mattingly <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Who Am I
Date: 13 May 1997 11:31:38 -0400

Who are we:

I'm Dave Mattingly. I founded the Men Without Hats mailing list back in
'87 when Pop Goes the World came out.

It all began as a conversation between myself, Lazlo, and Henning about
lyrics. As memory serves, I had bought PGTW on tape, Lazlo had bought it
on CD, and Henning had bought it as LP. Different amounts of lyrics were
included with each media, and between us, we were able to get the lyrics
to all their albums.

I was a member of several mailing lists at the time, and suggested
forming a MWH list. We all told our friends on the net, and within the
first month had 40 or so members. One of the first new members was Dave
Datta, who ran the UWP lyrics archive.

I ran the list manually until '90 or so. Members would send messages to
me, and I would forward them out to a distribution list of members. It
was crude, but it worked, and it was the best I could do at the time.

At thet time, Dave Datta, who was already running the Tangerine Dream
list and a few others, took over, since I was going to be losing me
e-mail account. Dave upgraded the list to a real listserv, and renamed
the list "hats". Dave ran the list until two or three years ago, when he
in turn passed the torch to Lazlo.

Jim Sustacek asked where we thought the list would be 10 years from now.
The list is 10 years old now, and has undergone periods of silence and
flurry.

At times, it looked as if the list were going to die, but it has always
come back to life. The last two years have been the list's most active.
We've heard from Bruce and Ivan. Carl Oglio learned of the list's
existence shortly after he had finalized the track listing for
Collection. Recently, there have been many new releases: the boots, the
video, the collection, the 2fer, Spell.

Seeing the list grow from a small group of fans to its current force,
I'm sure the list will be around in ten more years. The Spell could
releaunch Ivan's career, and he might have another six solo albums in
the next ten years. Perhaps Stephan and Colin will become more active
and the hats will officially regroup.

Even if nothing further happens in the hats career, there will always be
those of us who love their music and enjoy talking about them.

--

Who am I:

I'm Dave Mattingly, 29, male, married for 10 years with a 7 month old
son. Louisville, Kentucky, USA.

I'm currently a computer programmer/database administrator, but also
have experience in radio, theatre, teaching, oriental rugs, role-playing
game design, and writing.

I've been a fan of MWH since I first heard Safety Dance, and the first
tape I ever bought with my own money was FOTE3. I soon bought ROY on
tape, and loved them both. I made the switch to vinyl a few years
afterward, and upgraded my tapes. I made the switch to CD two years ago
(I'm slow to accept new tech).

My other favorite band is Ed's Redeeming Qualities. Check out their
homepage that I run at http://www.geocities.com/soho/5953/erq.html.
They're kind of alternative folk -- think They Might Be Giants meet The
Proclaimers. The sound clips and reviews will help to explain them.

I mainly listen to new wave and novelty. Bands include tmbg, Madness,
Duran, Soul Coughing, Cake, Weird Al, Devo, Pearl Harbour, Depence,
INXS, Nik, and many unknowns.

I'm probably the only person on the list who's heard Safety Dance
performed by a band was on helium, and who's heard a Chubby Checker
impersonator sing Safety Dance to the tune of "Do the Twist".

--

In the 21st Century,

Dave Mattingly       | Under the bludgeonings of chance,
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Here Am I
Date: 13 May 1997 11:52:16 -0500 (CDT)

My name is Skippy and I'm an albino howler monkey, but you can call
me Doug Finney. I'm nearly 351 months old, a systems analyst, and
currently reside in Houston, Texas with my wife of 2.5 years and dog
of 2. My first exposure to MWH was, of course, the Safety Dance, but I
didn't turn into a full-fledged hats junky until a couple years later.
There were kids way weirder than me at my high school so nobody made
much fun of my musical tastes, and I even had a couple of friends who
liked a lot of the same stuff I did.

My CD collection only numbers around 600. I really thought it would
balloon once I got out of school and had a little more disposable
income, but I've found many other things to dispose it on instead,
such as this old house we moved into (not to be confused with This
Old House), LEGO, computer junk, a car that actually runs most of
the time, etc.

I like a vast assortment of music, most of which can be lumped into
the Rock/Pop genre. Favorites include Bob Mould/Sugar/Husker Du,
Gary Numan, Jellyfish/Imperial Drag/Grays/Jason Falkner/etc., XTC,
Reivers, Glass Eye, Toadies (my most successful "I was into these
guys before anybody" band), Alice in Chains, Metallica (though they
seem to be getting worse) and many, many more.

Must eat lunch now. Have a nice day.

Doug


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From: [e-mail] (Ian Ingham)
Subject: (hats) Me
Date: 13 May 1997 08:57:35 -0500

My name is Ian Ingham.

I am Amish.








Heh heh, just kidding.

I'm am 30, been listening since I was aboot a wee lad o' 15 or so.

I'm currently living in Florida (though I am originally from New
Jersey *shudder*), am married with two cats. I work for a large
metropolitan university where I am the computer overloard of the
student union. Some folks have said I look like Tom Cruise; they
were soon committed to a mental institution.

I like mostly 80's music; unfortunately the Tampa,
Florida radio stations are top 40 and country, so exposure to new
cool music is limited at best.

If someone mentions the Wallflowers again I'll scream.

Stuff I like: Big Country, Front 242, FOS, Midnight Oil, T. Dolby,
Ministry, New Order, etc. etc...

I was first exposed to MWH via a really cool new wave/punk radio
station in Long Island, NY, WLIR. To get the signal I had to stretch
an antenna (a wire) from my bedroom window to the nearest tall
object, the telephone/power lines (OK, so I wasn't too bright as a
kid).

I think I am unique in that I like _EVERY_ Men Without Hats album/CD.

I almost saw them once. They cancelled. We were very depressed.

*sigh*



Ian Ingham
Phone: [phone]
FAX: [phone]
E-Mail: [e-mail]


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From: Christopher Handshaw <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Me...
Date: 13 May 1997 17:52:23 +0100

Hi all,
    I'm Chris Handshaw, a 22 year old student, just coming to the end of
my degree in Cambridge, England. I'm one of the few people on the list in
England who's on the MWH mailing list ..... maybe 3 others?
    I've been into MWH since '91 when a Canadian school friend introduced
me to The Safety Dance and RoY. Naturally I've been addicted ever since. MWH
CDs are difficult to get hold of across here so I've been lucky to have my
Canadian friend find most of the ones I have from over in Vancouver. I also
like to collect any records I can find by them; promos, 7" etc
    I had absolutely no albums to my name before MWH entered my life. Most
of the other music I listen to is introducted to me through my Canadian friend
who sends stuff over : Moxy Fruvous, Barenaked Ladies, Ben Folds Five. I'm
also a fan of Yello and They Might Be Giants.
    I eventually get to visit Canada this summer and I seem to have picked
a good year. I just hope Ivan can make it out to Vancouver so I can at last
get to see the man at work.

Chris



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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Me too!
Date: 13 May 1997 14:23:31 +0000

Hi everybody!

Chris said
[snip]
> get to see the man at work.

Nononono - that was Colin Hay!  ;-)  Tee hee hee...

OK, I guess it's time for the second great MWH outing.  Here goes...

Hi!  I'm Laura (wooo, big surprise!).  I live in North Carolina with
a husband, 2 dogs, and 4 cats.  I am 28 years and 6 days old, and I
am a psychometrician (which is a profession, not a chronic illness).
I have lots of music CDs (even though I do quantitative stuff, I
don't know if I can count that high), a very eclectic mix from
classical to ragtime to big band to "oldies" to MWH and beyond.  I
think the only genres I *don't* have any CDs of are pure opera, rap,
reggae, and country-western.  My husband hates MWH, but I keep him
around anyway.

I first saw MWH on Martha Quinn's new video hour on a Sunday night
when I was 14.  I was PO'd because the TV show I wanted to watch had
been pre-empted, so I thought I would mock a few vids.  I was
completely and totally prepared to hate everything I saw, but wound
up having my mood completely changed.  I love medieval stuff, so the
opening to the SD vid caught my eye.  Then Ivan used big words in
complete sentences, which *really* caught my attention.  The next
day I went roller skating (yes, I *was* in high school!), and asked
the DJ to play SD.  Everyone else was like, "What is that?  That's
pretty cool!"  But after SD got grossly overplayed on the radio (in
Central Florida at least), and everyone was sick of it, I was the
only one left.  I had the MWH logo on all my book covers and
notebooks, and I went to see them in concert at Electric Avenue in
Orlando (now burned to the ground).  My friend and I were right up
front, near the speakers, where Ivan couldn't help but see me waving
a piece of paper with their logo on it right about at his kneecap
level.  He took the paper right before the encore, and he and his
brothers and Allan autographed it for me.  I was in heaven!! Then I
tried to take a listening comprehension test in French class the next
day.  QUOI??? REPETEZ, S'IL VOUS PLAIT!!  JE NE L'AI PAS ENTENDU.
Like others, I have suffered persecution on behalf of my beloved
Hats, but I feel less alone now after finding this list.  :-)

Hats-wise, I have the F80s EP, ROY on vinyl and tape, F80s3 on vinyl
and CD, PGTW on vinyl and CD, 21stC on CD, Sideways on CD, the
boots, the vid, the 2fer, and the Spell is on its way.  F80s3 was
actually a peace offering from an ex-boyfriend after he'd boinked my
best friend's girlfriend.  I kept the CD at any rate.  ;-)

Cocoa and I will be showing in the Baltimore area this weekend
(Timonium). Then next weekend he and I will be in Gainesville GA.
The weekend after that, Jim and I will be in Boston on vacation (sans
chien).  If there are any Hatters in those areas that would like to
go out for an ice cream or something (can't be too radical since
I'll have either a dog or husband with me), go private to
[e-mail] and maybe we can put names with faces, eh?

Mikey, Simon, and Chris - still working on getting back to the UK,
then we'll go out for beef-and-guiness pie and feast bars, right?!?!?

CUL8R!!

:-) Laura


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From: "David P. King" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Me too!
Date: 13 May 1997 13:10:10 -0600

I thought that I would introduce myself despite the fact that I'm pretty
quiet on the list.  My name is David King and I'm 28 years old as of
yesterday.  I have lived in and around Salt Lake City, UT for most of my 28
years.

I have been a fan of all types of synthpop/80's music since about 1983.
All I listened to between 1983 and around 1992 were groups like MWH,
Depeche Mode, New Order, Erasure, Pet Shop Boys, etc.  In recent years, my
musical tastes have changed somewhat.  While I still love all of the synth
music, my two favorite bands are The Beautiful South and The Trash Can
Sinatras.  My other favorite groups are Aztec Camera, Frazier Chorus, MWH
(of course), Pet Shop Boys, Erasure, and Depeche Mode.  I have a collection
of about 500 CDs and about 85% of that is synthpop music.

I've been married for four years and my wife and I are expecting a daughter
in June.  I currently work for Novell as a technical support engineer.
Sounds really important, but really I just answer customer questions about
Novell's e-mail program, GroupWise, all day long.

I am tortured by the fact that my wife loves country-western music.  But,
since she's not really into music like I am, I usually win the argument
over what plays on the car stereo.  I always tell her that country music is
the reason they invented headphones.  (Sorry to any country fans out
there).

I, like most on the list, was introduced to MWH by "The Safety Dance".  At
the time that it came out, I was not into buying music so it was a while
before I actually owned any of there music.  When I turned 16, I got a car
with a tape player so I managed to find copies of "Rhythm Of Youth" and
"Folk Of The 80's Part III" on cassette.  At 19, I moved out of state for a
couple of years and unwisely left my tape collection behind.  Thus began my
long dry spell with MWH.  I didn't have a lot of money so I only bought a
few CDs (mainly Depeche Mode).  It wasn't until a few years ago that I was
able to track down "Pop Goes The World" which I consider to be their best
"album".  They have better "tracks" in my opinion, but they haven't come
close as far as the total picture that this album conveys.  Since then I
have purchased all of the other albums, plus I'm trying to get the 2-for-1
right now.

MWH are a truly brilliant band and it's nice to know that there are many
like-minded people out there.

--David
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From: Dave Mattingly <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Albums
Date: 13 May 1997 16:02:38 -0400

Ian writes:
>I think I am unique in that I like _EVERY_ Men Without Hats album/CD.

You're not alone in that respect. Over the course of the last few years,
depending on my mood, every one of the albums would get solid play for
weeks, even long after the album's release.

Each of the albums has its strengths and weaknesses. They all have songs
that I love and songs that I get little or nothing out of.

And all the albums are different. Ivan wasn't content with making a good
album and repeating it several times. He wanted to explore, to push his
creativity. People like A, but instead of making more A, let's make B
tell the same story.

Here's a review I wrote about them for FireFly (a cool service that lets
you rate music then recommends based on your tastes):

<<
Men Without Hats is still one of my favorite bands after all these
years. Their style changes with every album, but they still get the same
message of happiness, love, and freedom across with a variety of
interesting images.

Their first full-length album, Rhythm of Youth, contained the public's
favorite MWH song, The Safety Dance. This bouncy song was parodied by
Weird Al, it was on the Dr. Demento video collection, its lyrics were
set to the tune of "The Twist" by Big Daddy, it was all over early MTV,
and even on Beavis and Butthead watched it. The song peaked at #3 in
late '83.

The album contains many great songs, and is considered by many fans to
be the best album. "I Like," "I Got the Message," "Things in My Life,"
and others make this album stand apart from the music of its time. Its
bouncy dance music and (mostly) happy lyrics followed the discovery of
music/truth and its implications on our lives. Some of the lyrics use
odd verbal imagery.

Their second album, "Folk of the '80s (Part III)" is my favorite MWH
album, which puts me in quite a MWH minority. This album was widely
overlooked by the media, and even many fans. The group departs from
happy synth-pop and enters hey-the-world-should-be-different folk
ballads. Still present are the synth, the wordage, and the other
elements that define the group, but the mood of the album is different.
Even though the story is the same, or more accurately, a continuation of
the previous story of love and truth and life, more serious themes are
explored.

"I Sing Last, Not for Tears" explores the end of the revolution; "I Know
Their Name," easily the silliest song on the album, explains the
reactions of those who discover that the protagonist is indeed the
messiah/truthteller/musician.

Pop Goes the World is considered by most MWH fans to be their best. This
synth rock opera tells the story from birth to death of Johnny and Jenny
-- how they find the answer to life and tell others. With excellent
songs like the title track, "Jenny Wore Black," "O Sole Mio," "In the
Name of Angels," "Lose My Way," and "Moonbeam," this album is amust-have
for every synth-fan.

"...In the 21st Century" matures the group the heroes of the stories
expand their world beyond themselves. Cultural issues such as sexism,
individuality, and the environment are explored as the musical sound
moves away from rock opera and into Sting-like pop. The usual fun and
signature thoughts are present, as tunes like "Eloise and I" tell us
about the flowers and trees dancing, and "Here Come the 90s" gives us a
Beatles-esque "yeah yeah yeh" chorus. Abba's "S.O.S." further explores
human relations.

"Sideways" was at once a huge departure from MWH
ordinary-but-ever-changing style and also a return to their musical
roots. This electric-guitar-only album sounds liek something that could
go to #1 if it were released today, but radio execs who want to play
grunge and consider MWH as yesterday's news didn't even give the album a
listen.

"I Am the Walrus" continues the group's story of man/woman relations [
"I am you and she is he..." ] as well as pay tribute to one of their
greatest influences. The title track has a really exciting rhythm that
looks at things from another angle.

Oglio's release of "Collection" gave many fans their first CD copy of
many of the group's greatest songs, and also introduced us to another
MWH cover, this time of Roxy Music, one of Ivan's major influences. In
fact, in "Freeways," three groups are mentioned -- ABBA, Roxy and T.
Rex. We've heard covers of the first two already, and with the upcoming
release of "Spell," who knows what we'll find?
>>

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From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) who cares who i am!
Date: 13 May 1997 19:32:34 +0100

today I'm Mike Best (aka moose) - tomorrow I might not be!  31 years old,
live in south London, freelance musician and computer programmer.  I own
2 recording studios in London, one near wembley and one in my spare room
(fully digital effort)...  I speak english, MIDI-sysex and can usualy
read hex computer dumps (sad!).

as with most brits, first heard Ivan and co doing SD, but remember seeing
the snowman somewhere else - pgtw i think it was.  bored everyone stupid
by playing their stuff at parties, though my compilation tapes were minor
classics.  ended up with just about everything they did, plus plans to
produce a 4th bootleg CD of other stuff (which if you have been round
since last year you'd know I have great plans but never get any time to
complete them!!!).

currently undertaking 'the millenium bug' jobs for vast sums, which is
paying for the new album from my band which should reach the shops in the
UK this september.  listen out for us - "Alaska Highway" - as i have
several DJ chums in the US and Canada who want to give us airtime.  If
you ever see the album "attitudes of a difficult mind" by the
aforementioned duo then i'd recommend it - pop music with acoustic
instruments and loads of synths...  well, i'd buy it anyway.  (that
enough of a plug?)

right, we're did my food go?


moose (aka mike in a moose outfit)

ps favourite music - vince clarke (erasure, yazoo, assembley, depeche),
the newer depeche, alaska highway (???), b movie, alphaville, propaganda,
omd, seagulls, black, most 80s synth stuff... and a little known band
from canada!


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From: * <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) hello
Date: 13 May 1997 17:48:23 -0500

my name is wolfgang and i live in downtown Toronto
first saw mwh in 83 at Ontario Place followed by a show at Kingswood in 84 (first date
on the WDTBG tour)- guess i was 14 back then... my first influece (musically) was the the sex
pistols, clash, blondie and some velvet underground (thanks to my older sister)
MWHS represented a different kind of "calling" for me- ...wow.. a kick drum from a machine!!! (COOL!!)
Also think i connected with other Canadian bands ' cause so little pop music was coming from here in
81-82
Im not married and I dont have a dog... um,,, I play in a band and write music for radio and TV (yawn)
as a means of paying rent...
CDs currently on my player include
anything by Jane Siberry
anything  by Johnette Napoltiano
anything by David Sylvian, Lou Reed, Cocteau Twins, Portishead, Billie Holiday, Coil and Nitzer Ebb


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From: Christopher Edward Frey <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) hic ego sum
Date: 13 May 1997 18:15:28 -0400 (EDT)

Hi I'm Chris Frey, aka C.Frey and I am a 20 year old History/Medieval and
Renaissance Studies major at the University of Michigan.  I'm from Detroit
(the suburbs, really) and glad to know Rod is also a Michiagn resident!
I heard "SD" as a kid and because like Laura, I like medieval stuff, and
loved the video and song.  Several years went by and I found ROY and
bought it and have been hunting more MWH ever since.  I have all the
albums, including the Folk1/Freeways tape.  I still occasionally do
under-cover reconaissance missions to Windsor, Ontario looking for more
MWH on CD.
I speak English, some French, and take Latin.  Thomas B. and Claude, I
also try to SPEAK Latin but it's hard to find people who want to speak it.
Besides, they don't teach "conversiational" Latin.  Darn!!!   "Quid agis
hodie?"   My music tends to be Classic Rock (like Russs K.'s list, which
adds to my appreciation of SIDEWAYS.  Ahh! Flame away! :), some
80s, and a lot of folk and Celtic/Irish music.  Failte romhaibh!  I have
recently become a full-time believer in the religion of Beatlemania,
(check out VH-1 all this week!!)  so I'm glad to see they're one of Ivan's
influences.
I have been  working off and on (more off than on) on a MWH guitar
tablature  page for over a year now.  Hopefully I'll have more time now
to finish it.  I would appreciate any help from anyone who has played MWH
or tried to figure out the music.

Hatlessly yours,
C.Frey
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From: paul b go <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) i is
Date: 13 May 1997 17:25:28 -0500 (CDT)


Greetings all!

I am Paul Go, a 26 yr old Computer Consultant in Chicago.  I was born a
poor black child...no wait.  Strike that. I am from South Bend, Indiana
and attended the University of Notre Dame (go Irish) and got my BA in
philosophy.

I have liked the Hatless from the Saftey Dance on. I recall listening to
it while playing D&D and reading comic books (FF, X-Men, Alpha Flight)
with one of my best friends.

My other musical interests include New Order (and spinoffs), the Police,
Men at Work, U2, Metallica, and others in the rock genre. I also enjoy the
classical genre from the Baroque period to late Classical (around
mid-Bethovan). And thats me.

TTFN.


Paul Go
[e-mail]

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worth examining." - Anon.



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) BOOTS!!!!
Date: 13 May 1997 18:44:53 -0400 (EDT)

Could someone please give me some info on the boots? (track listings, sound
quality, where to obtain)

Thanks,
Ray


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From:    Vince Silvaggio <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Who am I??
Date: 13 May 1997 20:35:24 -0400

Hey, all.  I'm Vince Silvaggio and I live in Montreal, Quebec, which is in
Canada (for now, at least!).  I'm an unmarried 28 years old and have been a
serious, serious MWH fan ever since I heard "Safety Dance".  I ran to my
local record store, bought the RoY album, and was blown away.  Shortly
after, I found out that my sister used to work with Ivan at the Montreal
General Hospital.  My sister told me that he was quite introverted but made
it known, nevertheless, that he was in a band that was going to go places.
Everybody laughed.  I guess he has had the last laugh.

Despite five years of constant ribbing from my high school peers for being a
MWH fan, I survived to go on to university where I earned a degree in
finance (hey, not everybody on the list can be some type of computer
engineer!).  Armed with this degree, and a more comprehensive, legitimate,
and very reputable  correspondance degree in finance, I went on to become,
it goes without saying,...a plant nursery worker.  Sick of the way big
business treats people, I decided to work in my father's nursery, closer to
nature.  It pleases me to say that I don't have to wear a suit and tie, and
I get a thorough tan every summer.

Musically, I adore the music from the eighties:  Ultravox, Flock of
Seagulls, Human League, etc. etc.  Also, if you guys want to try something
new, try giving the Box, another local group, a listen.  Go for their first
two albums, if you can find them.

Til next time,
Vince
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From: gigarpus <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Who am I??
Date: 14 May 1997 01:59:12 -0500

Vince Silvaggio wrote:
> ...if you guys want to try something
> new, try giving the Box, another local group, a listen.  Go for their first
> two albums, if you can find them.

Funny of you to suggest this Vince. You know that the singer from The
Box (Jean-Marc Pisapia) was at one time the singer of MWH? (Yvan was on
synth) The Box started there carreer in 1984 with the release of there
first album (eponymus). They were one of many bands from Montreal trying
to follow the road paved by MWH. Many of those bands were french, that
seemed to be a problem. Yvan told me (speaking of The Box) that english
peoples had some problem digging that funny accent french singers have
when they're trying to make it "dans la langue de Shakespeare". I would
be very interested by feed-back from the group on this issue. Anyway,
the Box were a great synth band, with good melodies, catchy hooks and
plenty of energy (in concert & on albums). They had the same manager as
MWH (Marc Durand). They released 4 albums
-The Box (1984, Alert, BD-1000/BD4-1000)
-All the time, All the time, All the time... (1985, Alert,
BD-1003/BD4-1003)
-Closer Together (1987, Alert, BDCD-1005/BD4-1005)
-The Pleasure And The Pain (1990, Alert, Z2 81014)

They also released a 2 for 1 of there 2 first albums (I'm not kidding)
(Alert, BDCD-1000-3) and a compilation (A Decade Of Box Music, part
greatest hits, part rarities, 1992, Kardiak, KRKCD-2500)

For those interested, I'm quite sure HMV in Montreal have some in store
(he! he! he! let's improve our french part 2)

Other MWHish bands from Montreal include Rational Youth (with yet
another ex-member from MWH), Bundock (from the Alert family), Trans-X,
Favorite Nation (yep, with a guy who use to be in MWH) and Janitors
Animated (very hard to find, only on vinyls).

Okay, I have to go rehearse my latin SI VIS PACEM, PARA MUSICUM

Claude...


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From: Jonas Lantz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re: (HATS) who are you??? (and could someone please help me??)
Date: 14 May 1997 10:31:09 +0200

My name is Jonas Lantz, I am 28 years old and live in Gothenburg
(Sweden). I have been a MWH-fan since I heard "Safty dance" on a swedish
radio show called Metropol in the early 80's.

Nice to see that Ivan has released a soloalbum but I think I'm gonna
have a hard time getting hold of a copy.

Maybe one of the Canadian friends on the list could help me buy a copy
and send it to me. Please e-mail me privatly and we will work out the
details.

Cheers / Jonas
--

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From: [e-mail] (Steven Kubica)
Subject: Re: (hats) WHO ARE YOU!!!???
Date: 13 May 1997 17:31:10 MDT

    I'm Steve Kubica.  I work on some software called Khoros which
    is used for scientific data processing, visualization and
    software development.  And, while I'm working on this
    software, I listen to Men Without Hats.

    In fact, as I look back on my life, any time I can remember
    working on anything fun/creative/interesting, I have been
    listening to Men Without Hats.  I find their music inspiring,
    exciting, and just plain *fun*.

    And you can even dance to it (if you want to).
    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
    Steve Kubica            [e-mail]       Khoral Research, Inc.
                            http://www.khoral.com




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From: gigarpus <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Press release
Date: 14 May 1997 13:00:04 -0500

Okay guys (and Laura)...

I finally succeed in scanning the text that was given to everybody
attending the SPELL launch party. It's in TIFF format (so readable by
most anybody). What should I do; post it to the group or wait for
individual requests? BTW, for those of you who live in Montreal, there
is a private screening of a movie I worked on, this saturday at noon,
Imperial cinema (on Bleury, between Ste-Catherine and Maisonneuve). It's
free, it's fun. I did the storyboard and editing on this one. Take care
everybody. (oh, Yvan is invited...)

Claude


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) BOOTS!!!!
Date: 14 May 1997 18:44:58 -0400 (EDT)

Could somebody please let me know where I can get the bootleg CD's?

Thanks much,
Ray


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Original ROY cd
Date: 14 May 1997 18:46:41 -0400 (EDT)

Just wondering how many people have the original ROY CD. I was talking to
someone who said It went for 900 pounds(approx. $1300 U.S.) at an auction in
England.

Ray


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From: "Michael R. Ward" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) my 2 cents
Date: 14 May 1997 20:01:37 -0400 (EDT)

hi i am michael ward a 29 year old customer service person from syracuse,
ny. i have been into mw/oh since i bought the cassette of roy in the
bargain bin in college (a time long ago and far away) i love freeways and
sideways the best but love all but fot80 and 21st century. i am working on
a masters in information studies at syracuse university. i also listen to
japan/gary numan/roxy music/nitzer ebb/ and just about all the obscure
acts the 80's produced. i have a large collection of cassettes of one-hit
wonders with terrible albums. but also some great stuff. i collect toy
cars and am big into vw's. i am single (not necessarily by choice) and
also write a little column about hot wheels for an on-line site. thats
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) HMV PUT A SPELL ON ME!!!!!
Date: 14 May 1997 21:22:29 -0400 (EDT)

It's here!!!!!  New MWH (almost) music!!!!!  Most of it is great!!!!  Some of
it, like others have said, is rusty and light.  Give Ivan some time (and a
bigger budget).  According to HMV Montreal, I was victim #29.

I also heard the curse words that were discussed in that cry-baby,
Holier-Than-Thou,  thread.  IMHO, they didn't seem to a big deal, but,
probably won't do a lot for radio play.  (Thank God for single versions
{Don't you love irony?}) I wonder what Ivan is refering to as "The Spell."
Maybe it's troubling enough for him to feel very strongly.  Anyone else
figure it may be the music biz or music itself?  David (Lexicon), might you
investigate?

Anyway, enough of me....


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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Obscure 80s artist?
Date: 14 May 1997 21:40:55 -0400 (EDT)

I have read a lot of messages from the subscribers of this list which include
lists of other 80s acts that interest them besides MWH.

A few years ago, I was rummaging through a cutout bin at a local record shop
and found for $1 an LP with an interesting cover.  I thought I'd take a chance
on it and have never regretted the decision.  I have yet to see the name of
this artist appear in any message in this list that I've read so far.

Has anybody ever heard of John Watts, "The Iceberg Model"?

This is a 1983 album that I find very satisfying to listen to.

Who is/was John Watts?

Myke


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From: Gregor Watson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Original ROY cd
Date: 15 May 1997 04:39:13 +0100

At 18:46 14/05/97 -0400, [e-mail] wrote:
>Just wondering how many people have the original ROY CD. I was talking to
>someone who said It went for 900 pounds(approx. $1300 U.S.) at an auction=
 in
>England.
>
>Ray

Me for one. Picked it up for =A34.99 in Edinburgh about 12 years ago, 2=
 years
before buying a CD player.

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From: gigarpus <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) All right!
Date: 15 May 1997 02:22:37 -0500

Hi Gang!

You are now reading the words of a very very very happy man! I'll try to
be short, delete this message now if you are in a hurry.

As you may remember from previous messages, I sometime work in the field
of music (I'm a musician myself). Since the late seventies I've been
involved in numerous projects directly or indirectly related to music.
In 1986 I produced with a bunch of friends 32 video-clips for young
bands from Montreal. That's were I met, among others, Voivod and DAFP. I
became very close with those two particular bands. I sort of introduce
Vovoid and MWH to each other. The other band, DAFP was formed of two
french guys and 3 english. The 2 french were nicknamed the french
bastards by there english counterparts. When the band split, the 2
french guys started a new band called FrenchB (am I boring you?). This
band was the first techno-outfit in Quebec singing in french. This new
sound was backed by a strong political message. It was inevitable that
at one point, they would do something with Yvan, and they did! Around
1988 they joined forces to produce one song called MAINTENANT OU JAMAIS
(NOW OR NEVER). That song was created to promote Quebec independance at
the eve of a referendum. The lyrics were from Richard Gauthier (singer
for FrenchB) and the music by Jean-Robert Bisaillon (keyboards for
FrenchB) and Yvan Doroschuk (you know this one). The song was produced
by Yvan. He also played the all keyboards and did some back vocals. 500
CDs were pressed, only for promotional use. Being friend and fan of both
bands, I wanted this CD. For 8 years I tried very hard to get a copy (I
even directed 3 video-clips for the FrenchB!!!!). But it didn't worked,
this CD is so rare that even some members of the FrenchB don't have it.
But tonight I went to a benefit concert to see the FrenchB performed and
the singer gave me a copy!!!!!!! I'm holding it now! If someone in the
group can tell me how I can make that available on the net, tell me. The
song is 3:21. I love you all. Have a nice day...

Claude


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Another intro
Date: 15 May 1997 11:44:38 +0100

Hi,

I`m Si Wooldridge and I`m a Telecomms Engineer working for a major
Telecomms Corporation that recently split from an even bigger Telecomms
Corporation.  I live in Chippenham, Wiltshire, England with my wife
Anita and 3 kids + another due within the next week.

I heard the Safety Dance when it hit the UK way back then, and bought
ROY not long after.  I didn`t hear the 12" mix that the US fans seem to
take as the `normal` mix until Laura kindly supplied me with Oglio`s
The Collection.  By chance I caught a glimpse of FO80`s III when it
hit the shops, but didn`t like as much as ROY.  The main problem was that
for years (only just cured) I couldn`t stand Mothers Opinion.

With MwH not having a high profile, aside from One Hit Wonder status,
I had assumed that there was no other input from this band until I
found this list and have steadily re-educated myself and listened to
a lot of excellent music in the process (although I still haven`t
got used to Sideways).

This list has been a god-send for all the work that it has either
contributed to or inspired, and I am thankful that I am part of it.

Regards,

Si
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*  Lucent Technologies Network Systems UK *
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From: Dave Mattingly <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Press Release
Date: 15 May 1997 08:33:31 -0400

Claude has sent me a copy of the press release, and I've put it up on my
webpage at http://www.geocities.com/soho/5953/spell.html.


Dave Mattingly       | Under the bludgeonings of chance,
[e-mail]  | My head is bloodied, but unbowed.


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From: GARBOWSKI JR CHARLES R <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) sideways
Date: 15 May 1997 10:09:27 -0400 (EDT)

I was looking at the case to my Sideways CD the other day while doing some
homework and the logo on the side seemed to be doubled.  I looked closer
and it turned out that it was written twice, one ovelapping the other.  I
opened the back of my CD case (very carefully so I wouldn't destroy it)
and found that I had two of the inserts that were supposed to show on the
back side of a CD case.  Is this abnormal for this CD?  Can anyone else
with a copy of Sideways let me know if they've run into that.  (If not,
hey it's a colletor's item)  I will say that it bothers me that if I want
to put the CD in my CD holder face up the logo on the side is upsidedown.

Charlie



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From: Dave Mattingly <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (hats) sideways
Date: 15 May 1997 10:28:50 -0400

> Charlie,
>
My CD only has a single-serving of back inserts, so yours must be
special.

>I will say that it bothers me that if I want
>to put the CD in my CD holder face up the logo on the side is
upsidedown.

I know what you mean. It bothers me on the two other CDs I have that do
this, but for the Sideways CD, it's just following its name. I think
it's kind of clever in this case.


Dave Mattingly       | Under the bludgeonings of chance,
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From: "William Black" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (hats) HMV PUT A SPELL ON ME!!!!!
Date: 15 May 1997 15:22:01 UT

"I also heard the curse words that were discussed in that cry-baby,
Holier-Than-Thou,  thread."  -  [e-mail]

If Ivan had written a song calling Negroes niggers or homosexuals, faggots,
would the people who responded be called cry-babies too?

Although both of those terms were in common usage years ago, even today in
some places, the words themselves are now considered offensive and their use
is discouraged. I was simply implying that profanity also should be
discouraged and as Ivan used some in his recent song, I have lost some respect
for his music because of it.


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From: Chris Schumann <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re: Sideways?
Date: 15 May 1997 11:25:07 -0500 (CDT)

The issue: Is the Sideways spine sideways?

I've noticed that most books printed in the States have their titles
printed on the spine so they read down; that is, your head tilts to the
right to read it...

While books from Englad (and perhaps Canada?), read up, with your head
tilted to the left. Many import CD's that I have also read up.

I thought Sideways was just another import with its up-reading spine
title.

"He's even got a twin like me." -- They Might Be Giants, My Evil Twin
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From: [e-mail] (Donald Stroud)
Subject: Re: (hats) Re: Sideways?
Date: 15 May 1997 09:45:20 -0700

>
> The issue: Is the Sideways spine sideways?
>
> I've noticed that most books printed in the States have their titles
> printed on the spine so they read down; that is, your head tilts to the
> right to read it...
>
> While books from Englad (and perhaps Canada?), read up, with your head
> tilted to the left. Many import CD's that I have also read up.
>

I'm left-handed, and I have all my books and CDs on shelves so that you have
to tilt your head to the left to read the titles, if the title is indeed
printed that way. Titles that read from top-to-bottom on the spine are just
fine the way they are.

Everytime someone new comes to my house and starts to peruse my CD collection,
they comments on how the CDs are "flipped". It seems I have nothing but
right-handed friends...

Don2
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From: "Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) sideways/under Ivan's Spell
Date: 15 May 1997 13:27:05 +0000

Don sez...
> I'm left-handed, and I have all my books and CDs on shelves so that you have
> to tilt your head to the left to read the titles ...
> Everytime someone new comes to my house and starts to peruse my CD collection,
> they comments on how the CDs are "flipped".

Don't let my mom anywhere *near* your house, Don!  She's so
compulsive, she'd start turning them back the other way.  Even though
I'm right handed, I'm left-eyed, so I have my CDs set up the same as
Don.  Any time she comes up to visit, she rearranges *everything*.
Even the cans of soup in my cupboard get rearranged in alphabetical
order.  Someone needs a hobby...

Today I picked up my Spell CD from the post office.  They weren't
open yet, but as I'm leaving at the crack of dawn tomorrow, I begged
and pleaded for them to give me my CD (since it got sent registered
mail, I would have had to have been home when they delivered or go to
the post office during normal business hours).  I have listened to it
once already, and am about to put my headphones back on for another
go.  I so do not know about www!  RAP???  Mmmm, might just have to
get a programmable CD player to skip that pup...

A couple of people asked if I'm *really* a doctor.  Yes, I am - I am
a scientist, not a medical doctor.   I have a doctorate in
quantitative psychology (UNC-Chapel Hill, 1994), and the higher-ups
on the food chain where I work like for us to have all our titles on
our email so when we write to others it looks like we know what we're
doing.  ;-)   According to the etiquette mavens, I can either have
Dr. Laura M.B. Kramer or Laura M.B. Kramer, Ph.D. The second way
still leads to that whole Miss/Ms./Mrs. thing, so I just use the Dr.
form to circumvent the issue.

But Mikey, you can still call me Bonehead!  ;-)

Back to The Spell ...

:-) Laura


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From: [e-mail] (Eric Soderblom)
Subject: (hats) profanity
Date: 15 May 1997 11:08:32 -0700

I agree with BDay0000.  Hey Bill, If you don't approve of the lyrics,
why don't you NOT FU*%#ING LISTEN TO IT?!?!?!

Eric

P.S. Get a life!




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) sideways/under Ivan's Spell"
Date: 15 May 1997 13:54:39 -0500 (CDT)

Laura says
>Don sez...

>> I'm left-handed, and I have all my books and CDs on shelves so that you have
>> to tilt your head to the left to read the titles ...
>> Everytime someone new comes to my house and starts to peruse my CD
>> collection,
>> they comments on how the CDs are "flipped".
>
>Don't let my mom anywhere *near* your house, Don!  She's so
>compulsive, she'd start turning them back the other way.  Even though
>I'm right handed, I'm left-eyed, so I have my CDs set up the same as
>Don.  Any time she comes up to visit, she rearranges *everything*.
>Even the cans of soup in my cupboard get rearranged in alphabetical
>order.  Someone needs a hobby...

??? What does handedness (or eyedness) have to do with it? I'm left-
handed (and left-eyed as far as I know) and have always put my cds
the same way I grew up putting books and albums, i.e., so the cover
is right side up and the cover on the right.

In any event, cds with the title the "wrong" way used to bother me
enough that I actually opened a couple up, tore the spine part off
and flipped it around, then snapped the case back together. But it
doesn't bother me that much anymore.

Btw, do you leftoids flip the cds over so the cover's upside down
or turn them around so the end that opens is facing the front? I
just noticed today that most of my cds (okay, 7 of the 8 I have at
work) have the text printed the other way on the other end. The odd
ball is an old Adam Ant disk (Epic domestic). The two imports are
printed just like the rest of the domestics.

For someone who's not anal enough to care, I sure can blather on
about this nonsense, huh? :)

Doug


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From: "Howard Abraham" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (Fwd) (hats) profanity
Date: 15 May 1997 15:23:21 +0000

>From:          [e-mail] (Eric Soderblom)
>
>I agree with BDay0000.  Hey Bill, If you don't approve of the
>lyrics, why don't you NOT FU*%#ING LISTEN TO IT?!?!?!
>
>Eric

I believe that was Bill's original point, Eric.  He said that, in the
past,  he has walked out of a performance where the language was
crude.  Please pay attention.


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From: * <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) profanity
Date: 15 May 1997 18:14:35 -0500

I second Eric... Get a Life Bill.

Wolfgang
XOX


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From: [e-mail] (Heidi)
Subject: Re: (hats) Me too!
Date: 15 May 1997 18:34:23 -0400

Since several people have mentioned that they liked Depeche Mode I thought
some of you might like to know they're going to be on the Tonight Show
tonight (Thursday). As far as I know they're only going to be on long
enough to play one song and that's it. But since they're not doing a tour
for Ultra, this is one of the few chances to see them `live'. (ok, so it's
on tv but you get the idea.)

As for the `when we first heard MWOH' thread. Like alot of other people
on the list I heard them when Safety Dance first came out. I liked ROY and
Folk III alot but wasn't all that thrilled with PGTW. A few songs were
good but the others were too `lightweight' (for lack of a better word).
I forget the name of the next album but I listened to it once or twice
and then got rid of it. I don't remember what it sounded like, just that
most of the synths were gone and there really wasn't anything about it
that made me want to listen to it again. After that I stopped buying their
albums. So the only other songs I've heard were ones that were on the video
that was going around the list awhile ago. And no, I have no plans to buy
The Spell. I know some of you will consider that blasphmey but from the
reviews I've seen on the list, it doesn't sound like something I'd like alot.
At this point I figure what I liked about the band was unique to their first
two albums. I did get to see them live twice though. Once on the ROY tour
and again on the PGTW tour. While I didn't like all of what they played on
that one, it was great getting a chance to hear the older songs again since
they were still doing some. Those were both at small to mid size clubs so
it was a bonus to get to see them at places like that. That was one of the
nice things about how many new good bands were around in the mid `80s, getting
to see alot of bands at mid size places before they became much bigger names
and started playing hockey size arenas.

Since several of you have mentioned bands you currently listen to, I'm
curious if anyone knows of Andy Pickford, Mark Shreeve or Michael Shipway.
They don't fall under they synth pop category at all. They're are synth,
but are closer to the Tangerine Dream type. But not quite as sedate as
TD gets at times. Shreeve may be better know then the others because he's
been around longer, but he doesn't put things out very often. Shipway
only has a few albums out sofar but Pickford has done quite a few more
reciently. I think they're primarily known in England and have done a few
of the big synth fests over there. So since they're aren't all that well
known over here I'm curious if any of you do know of them since alot of
the people on the list obviously like various forms of synth.

=}{=

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From: [e-mail] (Laing Ferguson)
Subject: (hats) Review of "The Spell"
Date: 15 May 1997 20:42:52 -0300

Hey All,
        Here is the review of Ivan's new cd from The Record, a Canadian
Music Industry magazine.

The debut solo album from the man that introduced us to The Safety Dance in
the 80's should provoke fans to keep on dancin' this decade with tracks
like Superbadgirls, 1972 (Slippin' Away) and the lead single and video,
Open Your Eyes.  Ivan played everything on the album himself and, even
though electronic gadgetry predominates, producer John Punter (Japan,Roxy
Music) ensures that the disc lives and breathes and never gets too robotic.
Despite the sometimes overly dramatic vocal delivery, you can tell Ivan had
fun making this.

There you go...   has anyone seen the video yet??

Kirk




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) It's fun
Date: 15 May 1997 20:34:51 -0400 (EDT)

Hey hatters!

For a guy like me, living in Montreal, home of MWH, seeing a lot of people
all around loving MWH, it's very touching!

I though I was the only one listening those cd's after all these years...
NOOOO  you are there every one.



Claude, Vince and me have to organize a MWH memorial tour in Montreal!!!!

Ciao everybody

Francis




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) who am I?
Date: 15 May 1997 18:39:43 -0700

Hello everyone.  My name is Adam Webber and I am 28 years old.  I live with
my Girlfriend and cat Astrid (2 seperate individuals).  I was introduced to
Men Without Hats through the Safety Dance video.  Although I grew up in
Indiana, I now live in Seattle--which I might say is not the ideal city for
someone who dearly loves serious synthesizer music.
My musical preferences could be described as thoughtful synthpop.  I love
early Duran, Gary Numan, EARLY OMD, the first several Simple Minds albums,
the first two A-Ha albums, and the first two albums by A Flock.  I love Men
Without Hats as well--though I must confess I don't listen to them as often
as most of you.  I stay on this list because I really feel a strong
connection to most of the people on it!
I have several analog synthesizers and have very recently decided to start
finishing these odd bits of songs that I am always coming up with.  It's so
hard to really believe in what you are doing when you go back and listen to
some of the brilliant bands listed above.
Anyway, this is truly a great list.  Thanks all of you for reminding me
that there are others out there like myself.

Adam




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From: gigarpus <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Review of "The Spell"
Date: 15 May 1997 22:03:12 -0500

Laing Ferguson wrote:
>
> ...   has anyone seen the video yet??
>
I just saw it. Like most of MWH videos it didn't impressed me (from a
video-director's point of view). The "script" is by Ivan and consist
mainly of very close shots of the upper part of his face (with glasses)
alternating with long shots of him, sitting on a couch beside a black
woman. This is intercut with grainy black & white shots of a Bonny &
Clyde type couple driving by in a convertible car. Mitsou plays the part
of the girl. The editing is very nervous (goes well with the song). It
looks like it's been shot in Super8. The image is a bit overexposed, the
colors are bright (mainly red and blue). It does the job (aka; providing
a video support to help promote the song).

A+  Claude


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) slight observation
Date: 15 May 1997 22:46:45 -0400 (EDT)

Did anyone notice that Ivan is missing a thumb on the cover of Spell?  Or is
it my imagination?


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From: gigarpus <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) slight observation
Date: 15 May 1997 23:16:31 -0500

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Did anyone notice that Ivan is missing a thumb on the cover of Spell?  Or is
> it my imagination?

He's got two thumb. How much is he supposed to have?

Claude


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Re: Profanity and the like.
Date: 16 May 1997 00:41:14 -0400 (EDT)

Wow, I am amazed at the feeble minds of some people on this list.  So Bill is
Chrisitan and disklikes the use of the Lord's name in vain.  I could care
less, but I do admire that he hasn't resorted to calling all the people
offending him names and telling them to get a life.  He has an opinion --
respect it.  I would respect yours, if you had one beyond "Hey, get a F***ing
life, ASSHOLE!"

BTW, I got the spell today, and it is excellent!  Esp.  Open Your Eyes and
You !

Greg the Shriekman (who is not Christian, but believes most Christians are
better than most non-christians ;) )



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From: [e-mail] (Jupiter Eight)
Subject: (hats) Re: Profanity and the Spell.
Date: 16 May 1997 08:21:01 EDT

On Fri, 16 May 1997 00:41:14 -0400 (EDT) [e-mail] writes:
>Wow, I am amazed at the feeble minds of some people on this list.  So
>Bill is
>Chrisitan and disklikes the use of the Lord's name in vain.  I could
>care
>less, but I do admire that he hasn't resorted to calling all the
>people
>offending him names and telling them to get a life.  He has an opinion
>--
>respect it.  I would respect yours, if you had one beyond "Hey, get a
>F***ing
>life, ASSHOLE!"

I agree...it's amazing how some people can be so childish. SOmeone gives
an opinion and they immediately tell them to get a life. Makes me wonder
who really needs the life afterall.

>BTW, I got the spell today, and it is excellent!  Esp.  Open Your Eyes
>and
>You !

I have to say...I just got the album. AND I HATE TO BURST EVERYONES
BUBBLES BUT AS IVAN SAYS: "Open your Eyes". The Emperor has got no
clothes on! Guess I was expecting more....not 70's disco. One song sounds
exactly like the Village People's Macho Man. (no kidding either).
Ivan...What were you thinking??? For those of you interested in true
synth pop - check out A Different Drum on the web. The only really good
song on Ivan is the title song (and maybe two others). THe rest is
garbage IMO.

>Greg the Shriekman (who is not Christian, but believes most Christians
>are
>better than most non-christians ;) )

Rod the CHristian (who is a Christian, but believes there are many people
who think they are Christians but aren't thus giving Christians a bad
name)


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From: Dave Mattingly <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan & French B song is online
Date: 16 May 1997 09:47:16 -0400

The song that Claude spoke of, Maintenant ou Jamais (Now or Never), is
on my website at http://www.geocities.com/soho/5953/dmnet.html. The
single was produced by Ivan, and he helped write the music, plays all
the keyboards, and provides some backup vocals.


Dave Mattingly       | Under the bludgeonings of chance,
[e-mail]  | My head is bloodied, but unbowed.


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) WHO AM I?
Date: 16 May 1997 10:11:39 -0400 (EDT)

Hi! I'm Andrew Pepoy and live in North Carolina(USA). I'm a 28-year-old comic
book artist and illustrator, working on everything from Superman, Spider-man,
and the X-Men to Barbie, Scooby Doo, and Sonic the Hedgehog, and writing and
drawing my own strip,"The Adventures of Simone and Ajax (in which you'll find
Simone wearing a MWH t-shirt in one story)," as well as illustrating some
magazine stories and a Muslim children's book (and I'm not even Muslim).
Since I work at home, I've got lots of time to listen to my MWH (and hundreds
of other) CDs and records. I first heard MWH in 1983 (Safety Dance, of corse)
and have been hooked ever since, much to the confusion of my friends and now
my wife. I've attempted (and failed for various reasons) to see MWH twice. I
listen to lots of other bands to, including The Smiths, the Pet Shop Boys,
Housemartins, Bis, Shampoo, New Order, Cheap Trick, Revillos, John Foxx, The
Dickies, Blur, and far too many more to mention, plus old jazz. I also spend
my working hours listening to old radio shows from the '30's-60's (Johnny
Dollar, anyone?). I also collect comic books, comic strips, pulps, old
movies, especially silents (Louise Brooks especially), and junk that annoys
my wife (I don't do it intentionally).
And now back to work.
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From: GARBOWSKI JR CHARLES R <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Left handed
Date: 16 May 1997 11:04:30 -0400 (EDT)


Just to have a little fun with a subject that evolved from an e-mail of
mine - I'm left handed and stack all my CD's vertically so they'll fit in
the holder I have for them.
    Also, this list is supposed to be a general discussion list
primarily focused on MWH why do we need to bicker back and forth.  Maybe
those angry at the "christian" are sick of the over-religious fanatics
that try to push their view point.  I understand that because I am not a
fan of anyone that's a fanatic no matter what the cause.  (yes even if I
agree with the cause)  However, to resort to third grade tactics of
calling names is ridiculous.  I'd like to think that most MWH have more
intelligence and even if they don't agree with something let it go or
dispute it without being so rude.  Yes there is "freedom of speech" but
there is also "basic human respect".  If you need to voice your opinion
why not do it in a way that isn't so hostile.  Besides, I think most feel
your point is lost when you simply unleash a barrage of profanity at
someone simply because you like to swear.  Yes I swear as well too, but
over e-mail there a lot more time to think about how to phrase your
thoughts.  Besides the original point was that profanity is only useful
when it's artist and not just shot out because someone feels like
swearing.  I think we'd all appreciate it if we can keep the list from
becoming a personal battleground.
    To the list master- you might think up some basic guidelines for
conduct on this list and simply kick anyone off who doesn't comply.

I'm sure I'll get some flaming responses to this e-mail and if that really
makes you feel that much than fine.

Charlie



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From: [e-mail] (Donald Stroud)
Subject: (hats) Whew!
Date: 16 May 1997 08:32:51 -0700

Man, has the discussion on this list gotten heated lately, or what?!?!

I'm going to attempt to steer us back to a happier place...

I was driving to work this morning, listening to my dub of "The Spell", and
"Forever" came on. In the middle of all that rush hour traffic (Silicon
Valley, USA), I was being uplifted by those beautiful harmonies in the
chorus. What a great song.

I'm really enjoying this CD. But I have to ask: those of you who have
stated that you don't like "Outro"... why don't you like it? (And I'm
not asking this to start another flaming/name-calling war... I'm just
trying to get some discussion going...)

Don2
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From: "William G. Perrin III" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Hats on MuchMusic
Date: 17 May 1997 00:52:16 +0900

Hi, it's Bill.  The only member of this list from Japan.

If any of you are interested, I am scheduled to be interviewed by
Juliette Powell on MuchMusic (Canada) sometime between 3:30 and 5:00
PM Eastern Standard Time, Friday, May 16 (probably closer to 5:00).  The
show, "Go with the Flow", is broadcast live in the US, Canada,
Australia, Europe, and elsewhere.  If you don't get the
channel they also have a live webcast.  Go to
http://www.muchmusic.com/muchmusic/ for more details.

Why would you want to see this? Well, I've been promised a video request
and I asked for some Hats (no Safety Dance).  You may get to see "I
Like" or Ivan's new video.  Regardless, if they give me the chance I'll
plug the Hats list too.

If worst comes to worse, you can watch me screw up my 15 seconds of fame
because it'll be about 4:00 AM over here.  Should be good for a laugh.



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From: "Russ Kemsley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Bickering
Date: 16 May 1997 16:52:11 UT

I have been on other lists where this type of bickering has gone on, however,
those were list for bands that have a much younger following than Hats and I
understand how that happens when youth participate in mailing lists. I am much
more offended by bickering on a list than profanity. And in writing this, I
may sound hypocritical (as it adds another message to the thread).

However, I have seen the Who Am I's come across the list the past week or so
and if that is any indication of the average age of folks on the list, then
this type of thread should not be happening. We are, for the most part, adults
and thus far have let the members maintain and express their opinions without
fear of being flamed for them.

Hats is the only list I am still subscribed to because all the others were so
full of bickering, that I could not tolerate it and promptly unsubscribed. One
of the lists, I had been subscribed to for over a year.

I have also been on Hats for nearly 18 months and this is the first time a
thread like this has happened (to my recollection). Let's stop it now.



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From: [e-mail] (Donald Stroud)
Subject: (hats) More MWH happiness
Date: 16 May 1997 10:16:48 -0700

Well, since there are a lot of new "faces" on the list, I figured I'd dust
off the following jokes. Those of you who remember these may delete this
message now, but for those of you who haven't yet been subjected to my
mind-numblingly superior sense of humor, I present:

REALLY FUNNY MEN WITHOUT HATS JOKES
===================================

Q. What does Ivan wear when he's afraid he'll get mugged?
A. The Safety Pants.

***

Q. What is Ivan's favorite dessert?
A. Tira-MITSOU.

***

Q. What did Ivan's butcher say?
A. "I got the sausage!"

***

Ivan's friend Lee was a very talented tailor. One night, at a party,
Lee began bragging about a wonderful roll of fabric he had bought.
Ivan, his friend Richie, and Richie's wife Coco were at this party.
They couldn't really believe that Lee's new fabric could be that
exciting. A little aggravated, Lee dashed upstairs, intent on producing
his purchase and showing them how fabulous it was. Alas, Lee had downed
a few too many beers, and as he began to come down the stairs, an
unwrapped flap of fabric slipped between his feet, tripping him up.
He fell forward, the fabric unrolling around him as he tumbled. He came
to a stop at the bottom of the stairs, unconcious and wrapped in cloth.
Ivan saw all this, and yelled to the other people in the room:

    "Coco! Richie! Lee's tangled in velour!"

***

Q. What did Ivan's Jewish friend ask him when he was looking for the
   Non-Jewish String Quartet's studio?
A. "Where do the goys bow?"

***

Q. What science topics does Ivan like to read about the most?
A. Ant-articles.

***

Enjoy!

Don2
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From: [e-mail] (Jupiter Eight)
Subject: (hats) THE SPELL
Date: 16 May 1997 20:49:10 EDT

Ok...maybe I spoke a little too quickly this morning when I said the new
album was pretty bad. I listened to the new album all day today and I
think I'm hooked on most of the songs except for WWW and 1972 (I think
that's the one). I hear alot of influences in these songs - from early
Bowie (You) to the Village People (1972) to Prince (SuperBadGirls) to rap
in general (WWW).

Here's my thoughts on all the songs:

1)Spell - great (lyrics bug me)
2)SuperBadGirls - great (lyrics bug me) - sounds like Prince
3)Chain REaction - Hate the intro (sounds like Captain and Tennielle or
something) - then it gets better - "Can you dig it?"
4)Open Your Eyes - best song on the album - a classic
5)1972 - The VIllage People song - feel like I'm in a disco - but oddly
enough it is ok
6)You - good slow song - some chord changes sound exactly like early
Bowie era from Alladdin Sane - did he copy?
7)Forever - great "Pop Goes the World" era song - I was reading someone's
post tonight and they mentioned that they were listening to Forever in
the car today - that's when I realized that I had that song stuck in my
head. 2nd best song?
8)WWW - rap - I think this one will be skipped on my player....it's
pretty groovy man "so hop-along cassidy before I bust yo lip!"
9)Somethin' - just ok
10)Fly - great song
11)Outro - cool ending

Overall I wish this album had more cohesion to it - more similar tunes -
sort of a reflection on how fragmented the music in our society has
become. In the 80's you could at least depend on some sameness in the pop
music industry. THat's what made the first three albums so good.

Overall...the more I listen to it the more I like it. I just wish it were
a tad more radio friendly at the beginning of the songs...one or two of
them really grate on me at first but as soon as they get past the first
few bars I like them alot.

Here's a quiz for all of you who got the album:

1) What is the synth with the multi-coloured knobs on the inside of the
new Spell album? Where else have you seen this (MWH related)?
2) What piece of equipment (make and model) does the black and silver
knob (1-10) come from?

First person to guess correctly gets a pat on the back for knowing their
vintage equipment...

Rod



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From: paul b go <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) The Spell - not hatless
Date: 17 May 1997 00:39:53 -0500 (CDT)


As I was listening to the new Ivan album today and was studying the insert
in the jewelbox, something struck me:  Ivan's wearing a hat on the cover.
Does this mean that he is no longer a "man without hats" ?  If so, what
are the further implications of this?  If Ivan were rebelling against his
former hatless days, his music might not be so wonderfully melodic and
poppy.  If he were merely trying to seperate the man from the band, his
music might not be so infectious and cause people to "dance if they want
to".  If he were making a political statement about the men and women
without hate in the 21st century, that the days without hats are over and
the days without hate are renewed, his music might inspire us to the
contemplative and loving life rather than to superbadgirls. If this were a
step sideways from his hatless days, his music might have more of Johnny
on the guitar than Jenny on keyboards.  Or is this just music for us Folk
of the 90's, not country folk, not city folk, but perhaps folk with hats?
All I know is that this has put a spell on me and when it comes to the
music on this latest effort, I have but two words to describe: I Like.

TTFN

Paul Go
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From: James Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) a dissenting opinion..
Date: 16 May 1997 16:51:34 -0700

From http://www.hours.qa.ca (Montreal's Hour magazine):

    Ivan
             Questions, always questions. Is The Spell merely subtle
slight-of-hand intent on
             disinvesting club kids of their lunch money? Is the Voice
from the Bottom of the
             Ocean really what you want to hear rumbling over
second-rate Lionel Richie
             riffs? Has Ivan lost his mind? Or is Doroschuk's first solo
album just a badly
             misguided attempt to reinvent much of what made him, and
former band Men
             Without Hats, internationally palatable at a time when
remedial synth pop was
             pretty much all there was on the plate? When all the
theories have been
             explored and all the questions asked, there remains but one
query that retains
             any relevence - is it good? Sadly, no. *

             by O'Meara, Jamie


..that's a single "*".


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Madam I'm Not Adam
Date: 17 May 1997 19:04:22 -0400 (EDT)

Okay, what the heck...

My name is Steve, and I'm a 28-year-old math and science teacher.  I work in
a tiny school in northern California, surrounded by mountains and vineyards.
 It's wonderful.

I have a bad sunburn, as I just returned from a 3-day camping trip with a
bunch of 13-year olds.  Can you say "masochist"?

I always thought I would be on the cutting edge of music, but have learned in
the past few years that I will always be stuck in the '80s.  I enjoy a fair
bit of what my students listen to, but none of it grabs me the way the "old
stuff" does.  I have about 1200 CD's, and just added a great 2-for-1 to my
collection.  I'm looking forward to adding three more bootlegs and a "Spell"
very soon!

Other very very cool bands are:  The Icicle Works, The Chameleons, Blue
Rodeo, And Also The Trees, Talk Talk, Indochine and about a hundred others.

Reading science fiction is one of my other favorite pastimes (just finished
Asimov's "The Gods Themselves" -- great book).  If any of you live in the UK,
and would like to help a fellow hatfan locate some books by John Christopher,
I would be undyingly grateful.  I have scoured used book stores in many
cities, and there are many titles I still haven't found.  (I would be more
than happy to send some US CD's in exchange, or whatever.)

Has anyone heard of a map contest called the "St. Valentine's Day Massacre"?
 It was absolutely created for visual left-brain compulsive people like me!

Anyway, that's more than you'll ever need to know.  Thanks for reading (if in
fact you bothered to)!

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From: F-Man <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re: Who are U?
Date: 18 May 1997 18:27:20 -0700

Hi all,

  First of all my name if Francois Blawat and I'm 28 as of 7-days ago. I
first got into MWH in the early 80's. My best friend and I went to a
church retreat where we got together with about 20 other kids. The first
time I heard "Safety-Dance" was on the roof of this resort. We kind of
snuck out every-night to watch the stars and gossip. Someone from the
group had a tape and it was playing "Safety-Dance". Since then, I've
been "hooked" to MWH. My taste for MWH was also giving way to Thompson
Twins and Information Society.

My mother was born and raised in Paris France so I know how to speak
French but writing it is another story. My mother taught me French first
then english. Needless to say, I have problems writing in both
languages.

Hope to see more info of MWH fans soon!

Francois

--
F-Man   E-Mail:   [e-mail])
           URL:      http://www.Geocities.com/Area51/7739
Fixit Man   :)  <----That's Me
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Gentlemen Without Weapons
Date: 19 May 1997 00:15:02 -0400 (EDT)

Someone on one of the mailing lists I'm on made a comment about this group
recently.  If you're out there, please e-mail me privately.

Thanks,
Dave K--gotta go listen to the Spell again....


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From: gigarpus <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Another contribution
Date: 19 May 1997 11:07:51 -0500

Hi everybody!

As I'm pretty new to this group, I don't know all the informations that
have already made it to all of you. I saw that you were familiar with
Ivan's collaboration with Mitsou and Voivod. But were you aware of is
collaboration with THE NILS? In 1985, Stefan Doroschuk produce a E.P. (4
songs) for Montreal's punk band THE NILS. Ivan played keyboards on it
(and it shows) and he also draw the front cover of the album. The thing
is call SELL OUT YOUNG! It was released by PSYCHE RECORDS, serial # Pir
06. The good news is, MAG WHEEL RECORDS, an independant Montreal record
company, just released a CD (THE NILS - Green Fields In Daylight),
collecting all the offerings from that young band, including the 4 songs
AND the artwork from SELL OUT YOUNG! As a bonus, they added a cover of a
song called POP GOES THE WORLD. Serial # MAG012.

As a response to the WHO ARE YOU? thread, I'm compiling names, ages and
country of origin of everybody answering. I allready have 38 names. When
it's complete I send you some interesting statistics. For example; 28
seams to be the perfect age to be a MWH fan! MWH is a guy's band (only 1
doctor, I mean girl in the group!). So for those of you who did'nt
answered the call yet, make your move...

Gotta go...  Claude


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From: GARBOWSKI JR CHARLES R <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) bye
Date: 19 May 1997 13:11:40 -0400 (EDT)


Well, I'm leaving this list for the summer.  I'll see everyone when school
starts at the end of August.  If anything really great happens as far as
the Hats are concerned someone please tell me when I get back.

Thanks much,

have a good summer all

Charlie Garbowski


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From: gigarpus <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Another contribution
Date: 19 May 1997 19:30:29 -0500

To all,

Oups, I goofed on this one! The CD I told you about from THE NILS
doesn't contain everything the band produced, only the material that was
not already available on CD. They did release a CD version of there one
and only self-titled LP. Thanks to James for kindly remembering this
fact.

To James,

I had completely forgot about this album. I have it on vinyl but not on
CD. If by any chance you come in close contact with another copy, let me
know. I'll start looking.

Take care everybody...

Claude


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) Another Hats fan....
Date: 19 May 1997 20:59:41 -0400 (EDT)

Name:  Brad Day, the man
Place of residence:  Atlanta, GA  USA  (and it is hot and humid already)
Age:  Used to be 28, now 30
Marital Status:  Girlfriend (where the hell is she _now_?)
Occupation:  Help Desk (yawn)
Favorite music:  MWH, Numan, Bowie, Morphine, Black, Alphaville...etc
Hobbies:  Music related activities, some sports, hanging with the gang...
Other:  Going to sunny England this fall to see my first Numan show (after 15
years!!)

end
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From: "Gino D. Rodeghier" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Intro
Date: 19 May 1997 21:05:38 -0700

New mail list member info  OR  "The cure of insommnia"

Name:  Gino Rodeghier
Place of residence:  Hacienda Heights, California
Age: 34
Marital Status: single
Occupation:  Systems Analyst
         (I also worked on a Help Desk as Brad Day did, but
I'm                  still sane, no I'm not, yes I am....)
Favorite music:  MWH, Laurie Anderson, Natalie Merchant, Cheap Trick,
             Jazz (used to play Clarinet and String Bass)
Hobbies:  Music, Maritime history, Scottish history, member of the
     Queen Mary Foundation  < http://www.queenmary.org > .

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From: Steve Jackson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ok, ok... My Turn
Date: 20 May 1997 12:02:14 -0400

Hi!  I've been a bit of a lurker here, mostly because we're trying to
get our software out the door and I don't have too much free time for
writing e-mail.  But that's beside the point...

Let me say that I have enjoyed reading other's descriptions of
themselves, and I have been meaning to send mine in for some time now.

Add me to the list of "computer geeks" (and I use the term "geek" in the
best sense of the word).  I'm male, 27, married for almost 8 months,
recent home-buyer (bought a ~125-year-old Victorian farmhouse).  Oh, and
I'm not an albino-howler-monkey-named-skippy, just for the record.  ;-)

Like many of you, _The Safety Dance_ was my first introduction to the
band.  Bought _ROY_ on vinyl right away.  For some reason, I never
bought _FOTE (III)_ when it came out.  I think it was because I thought
it was  _ROY_, but with a different colored cover!  Sometimes, I wonder
how I ever made it through school after looking back and seeing some of
the silly things I thought and did...

_The Collection_ introduced me to the "regular" version of _The Safety
Dance_.  I never knew I had been listening to the "Extended Remix" all
these years.  I actually like the "regular" version better!

Also like many of you, I continually check the Men Without Hats section
of music stores, and I am proud to say that I never find anything I
don't already have.  Of course, all I've seen lately is the _Collection_
and the UK Remix CDs.

Before I forget, I'm left-handed, too, but I don't rearrange my discs so
that the labels all read the same way (I *do* make sure that all the
discs in all of their cases are right-side-up, so that when you open the
case, you don't have to twist your head all around to read the disc, but
that's a different story, all together!).  So how many lefties (or
"leftoids" as we've been referred to) are on this list?

I bought _PGTW_ and _21st C._ the first time I saw it in the store, and
I have never regretted it!  Didn't have much money at the time, but I
have learned one thing in life (but not ONLY one thing): take
opportunities while you have them.  If you don't, you'll miss your
chance -- possibly forever!  Doesn't mean I always live by that, though,
but I learned it!

I am in the deepest of gratitude (if that's possible) to Carl and Thomas
and Laura (PhD) for helping me acquire the 2-fer!  You guys are
awesome!  I also would like to thank the person(s) who posted the
Montreal HMV 800 number, which allowed me to purchase _The Spell_.  I'm
so glad the lady who answered the phone spoke English, too, since my
Spanish is no help in translating French (Canadian or otherwise)!

As for _The Spell_-- I like it!  Ivan has produced stronger albums,
true, but the songs are catchy, DANCEABLE, electronic...  And "Ivan"
fits nicely between Billy Idol's, _Cyberpunk_ and Jane's Addiction's,
_Nothing's Shocking_ in my CD rack.  My wife's two comments are, "It
sounds 80's," which is a good comment by my standards, and, "I like the
rap song," which is also a good comment.  Like Laura keeping her husband
around despite not liking MWH, I keep my wife around, too.

Sorry this message is dragging on, but since I don't post that often, I
hope you'll forgive me...

A few of you claim to like most music except for opera and country/
western.  I used to make that claim, too, but I bought _Turandot_ a
couple of years ago (that _Nessun Dorma_ is sooo powerful!!!), so my
list of non-likes is down to only country/western.  The Blues Brothers
do a great version of _Rawhide_, though...  And have you hear Lyle
Lovett's version of _Stand By Your Man_?  Well, come to think of it, I
can tolerate country/western, but I don't listen to it often, and
definitely not by choice!

My other favorite bands (and I classify this by the numbers of CDs I
have by them) are Simple Minds, Depeche Mode, Kate Bush, and that other
Canadian band, Rush.  Yes, there are numerous others -- e-mail me
privately if you're really *that* interested to know.

I work in Atlanta, so Mr. Brad Day, let me know if you want to have
lunch sometime.

Forever Hatless (except when attending Braves games),

Steve
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From: "Hiram Lester, Jr." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Intro
Date: 20 May 1997 13:02:36 -0500 (CDT)

On Mon, 19 May 1997, Gino D. Rodeghier wrote:

> Occupation:  Systems Analyst
>          (I also worked on a Help Desk as Brad Day did, but
>           I'm still sane, no I'm not, yes I am....)

Helpdesk?  I've worked Helpdesk at two different schools, and am now
managing a lab on campus... sanity... ha! ;)

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   | Computer Science                   | Home page:                    |
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From: paul b go <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Madam I'm Not Adam
Date: 20 May 1997 18:04:57 -0500 (CDT)


Fellow hat fan,

Just finished reading your bio and I am very intrigued.  I too am a sf
reader.  I enjoyed "the Gods Themselves" (in fact, more than his other
novels).  Seeing as you are a teacher and an SF reader, I would love your
comments on "Higher Education" by Charles Sheffeld and Jerry Pournelle, if
you have read it.  If you haven't, please do so you can comment mightily
;).  I have read the tripod series by Christopher and have seen it in the
young adults sections of bookstores as of late. You might try there.

Thanks and good day.


Paul Go
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Original ROY cd
Date: 21 May 1997 09:58:28 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-05-14 20:33:35 EDT, you write:

<< Just wondering how many people have the original ROY CD. I was talking to
 someone who said It went for 900 pounds(approx. $1300 U.S.) at an auction in
 England. >>
Wow! But I bet noone would give me that for mine now that the 2-1 is out.
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From: "Gregory T. Samson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Original ROY cd
Date: 21 May 1997 13:00:38 -0400

At 09:58 -0400 05/21/97, [e-mail] wrote:
>In a message dated 97-05-14 20:33:35 EDT, you write:
>
><< Just wondering how many people have the original ROY CD. I was talking to
> someone who said It went for 900 pounds(approx. $1300 U.S.) at an auction in
> England. >>
>Wow! But I bet noone would give me that for mine now that the 2-1 is out.

well you know what the neat thing is, though (at least, *I* think so, as a
person who's had 2 copies of the original ROY pass through his hands) -

the 2-fer pretty much removes the value of original copies of FOTE3, but
there ARE still several tracks on the original ROY that are not on the
two-fer.  so i'm betting it retains some value beyond the sentimental.

i don't know if you intended it that way, carl, but thanks. :)  i prize my
copy of the original ROY very highly indeed and i'm glad that steps were
taken that ended in getting the music out to ALL of us!

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From: [e-mail] (Laing Ferguson)
Subject: (hats) Ivan video on MuchMusic
Date: 22 May 1997 14:15:56 -0300

I just saw the new Ivan video on Much Music, they followed it with the
video for Safety Dance. It came on at around 12:45 pm Eastern Time, I don't
know when or if it will be repeated, if anyone is in Toronto maybe you
could call them up and see, their number is [phone] .


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From: "Bradley N. Hull" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) re: Ivan on MuchMusic
Date: 22 May 1997 15:07:37 -0400

I just deleted the message from whoever posted that they saw the new Ivan=

video on MuchMusic this afternoon.  Sorry I can't credit you with letting=

us know about this!

I spoke to someone at Much Music.  They said that if the video was on at
exactly 12:45 this afternoon it will be repeated at exactly 7:15 am
tomorrow (Friday) morning.

I have already set my VCR!

Still completely Spell bound (after dozens of listens).

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) MWH, Ivan CD placement
Date: 22 May 1997 21:39:10 -0400 (EDT)

Where do your MWH and Ivan cd's/vinyl/tapes fit between in your music
collection?

My Ivan CD fits between: ISM- "I think I love you" and "JOE JACKSON- "jumpin'
jive"

My MWH CD's fit between: MENDELSSOHN- "greatest hits" and MEPHISKAPHELES-
"god bless satan"

Ray


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From: LORD HASENPFEFFER <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Betwixt & Between
Date: 22 May 1997 21:56:19 -0400 (EDT)

MWH 12"s : between Madonna, "Angel" and Michel'Le, "No More Lies"

MWH LP's : between Met At Work, "Cargo" and Bette Midler, "Mud Will Be Flung
                                                            Tonight!"

MWH CD's : not between anything in particular - set aside as a group all to
           themselves!

Myke
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From: Jeff Schachter <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re: MWH, Ivan CD placement
Date: 22 May 1997 22:03:43 -0400 (EDT)

>Where do your MWH and Ivan cd's/vinyl/tapes fit between in your music
>collection?

Interesting question.... I sort my CD's by the day of the week I bought them,
then by color.

No, just kidding.  I've run out of room in my CD shelves, but once I get more,
Ivan will be between INXS "The Swing" and Joe Jackson "Night and Day".  MWH
CD's are between Men At Work "Business as Usual" and Modern English "After the
Snow".

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From: gigarpus <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) MWH, Ivan CD placement
Date: 22 May 1997 22:31:15 -0500

Okay, that's a funny way to know each others

MWH 12"s: between various MWH LP's

MWH LP's: between Men At Work, "Cargo" and Metal Church (self-titled)

MWH CD's: between Meat Loaf, "Bat Out of Hell II" and Metallica, "...And
Justice For All"

Yvan's CD: Under "Jewels of the Oracle" CD-ROM and on top of FrenchB,
"Maintenant ou jamais" (that's on my desk)

Mmmm.... I don't think that's funny after all...

Claude


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From: "Lars Wendt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Betwixt & Between
Date: 23 May 1997 09:12:44 +0200


MWH CD's : Fits nicely between The Men They Couldn't Hang, "The domino cl=
ub" =

and Felix Mendelssohn, "A midsummer nights dream"

Regards =

Lars W.

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From: Thomas Bieler <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Re: Another contribution
Date: 23 May 1997 16:54:21 +0200 (MET DST)

> As a response to the WHO ARE YOU? thread, I'm compiling names, ages and
> country of origin of everybody answering. I allready have 38 names. When
> it's complete I send you some interesting statistics.

Statistics? Phew!! Let me be in!! Wanted to bore you with my MWH story
anyway...

O.k. My name is Thomas Bieler and I live in Stuttgart, southern Germany.
I'm 24 years old, single, and a student of computer science (at least, I
used to be). I like sports (fistball, volleyball, cycling), reading,
philosophy, nature and of course I spend a lot of time on collecting and
listening to musique (sic!). What might seem unbelievable to some of you
is that I don't own a TV, nor a car, nor a credit card. Ah yes, plus I'm
right-handed.  ;-)

As for CD placement: I store my CDs in the order of buying, but maybe I'll
try to reconstruct what my MWH stuff would be placed between. At least, it
wouldn't be after Men At Work's 'Cargo' (like evrybody else's seems to ;-),
as I don't own it. Meat Loaf might be a good guess, though.


My first introduction to MWH was in 1987 when PGTW was once played on a
German maxi-singles radio show. I liked it immediately and lucky enough the
DJ said what it was after the song. In April 88 I bought the PGTW 12"
single and it became one of my most favorite 12"es. After switching to CDs,
It was one of the very few 12"es which I also bought the CD version of.
That was in June 89. This disc also has "The End Of The World", and it's
weird that I didn't pay any attention to that song as it should totally
haunt me many years later when listening to the PGTW album for the first
time.

Looking back, the thing that's really amazing me is that, unlike so many
other bands that were one-hit wonders to me, MWH always kept haunting me.
I knew absolutely nothing about that band, but somehow deep inside there
was the continuous desire to find out more. Sounds stupid, but I don't know
how else to descibe what I felt.

But step by step... Two years later, in May 91, I came across a vinyl copy
of "...In the 21st Century" (in a cut out bin, like you tend to say) and
took it with me. I listened to it one or two times but didn't pay any
further attention to it (mostly, because it was on 'the wrong' format).

Then some day I heard TSD on the radio for the first time. Somehow I had
known before that this was MWH's biggest hit. I recognized it by the synth
melody that was also used in PGTW, so in the first place I thought they're
one of those bands who don't change much about their music from one song to
another...
Nevertheless I liked it immediately, so I bought the maxi-CD of TSD (the
'fake' one), the ROY tape, and the Moonbeam 12" in December 1994. This was
everything I could get hold of at that time; I had even bought the ROY tape
although I never ever used to buy tapes. So I liked TSD, I liked Moonbeam,
I ignored ROY (most possibly because it was on 'the very wrong' format).

So the 'breakthrough' still had to come...

It must have been around that time, early 1995, when I first subscribed to
this list. I was absolutely new to the net and the list was absolutely
dead. After two weeks of waiting I thought to myself 'ah, that's how a
mailing list works: You subscribe and nothing more happens.' I gave it
another try half a year later, and this time there was activity. The rest
is history. Under the influence of the discussions on the list I got the
Sideways CD from James Davis in July 96. In January 97 I found a used copy
of the PGTW CD and fell in love with it immediately. In February my three
bootleg CDs arrived, and in March I received a giant pile of ROY CDs, some
of which I traded for '... In The 21st Century', Collection, and 'Greatest
Hats', to make my MWH collection complete.

As for now, I like ROY, FOT1&3, and PGTW. I also like the live discs, even
though I'm usually not into live music at all. I have to get deeper into
..21st.. and Sideways, though, although they have their moments when it
comes to the slow songs.

Hey, I'm a Hats newbie! Most probably I'm the only person here who became
a MWH fan *after* joining the list!!


As for other music, I mostly listen to 80s synth pop, like so many here.
Here are some names:

Sigue Sigue Sputnik - Now *that's* persecution!!  ;-)
S.P.O.C.K - MUST try them if you didn't yet!! They are the 90s'
            reincarnation of the 80s: Happy synth tunes, funny lyrics,
            sometimes thoughtful - just music to have fun with! Also, they
            are all about space/Star Trek topics.
Kraftwerk
They Might Be Giants
Lots of Germany's 80's one hit wonders
Early Pet Shop Boys
The Human League
Nena
Berlin
Front 242
Love Is Colder Than Death
   (They have a weird name and make atmospheric-neoclassical pop music)
The Fair Sex
   (Well, they also have a weird name. I Don't need to explain it to you,
    as most people here are English natives, but I'm used to offended
    reactions when I mention them here in Germany)  ;-)
Pink Floyd

These are the most important, I think. Thank you for reading that far, if
you did!

Best wishes,

Thomas


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From: Fehnnik Fox <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Who am I?
Date: 23 May 1997 09:37:50 -0600

     Well, let's see...  My real name is Alex Billings.  I'm a 22 year =
old student at the University of Colorado.  I'm currently studying =
Information Systems Management and working at Lockheed Martin.  Some of =
my interests include computers, role-playing games and coffee.
  I first became interested in MWH in 1991 when one of our local radio =
stations played The Safety Dance during its all 80's hour.  After =
hearing this song, I knew I had to have it.  The next day my friends and =
I went on a quest throughout the city to find TSD, and eventually =
tracked down the ROY tape.  Since then, I've found The 21st Century, =
first the tape, then the CD. I found Sideways at our lock used CD store. =
I found two ROY LP's in the bargain bin at our local Best Buy, and two =
FOTE(III) LP's I found in the same bin for 29 cents each (opened one of =
each, and kept the other in the shrink wrap), I luckily got the 3 CD =
bootleg set.  The UK TSD remix album is everywhere, so I got that too.  =
I got the Collection CD so I could have some ROY and FOTE(III) material =
on CD.  Claude helped me get a Pop Goes the World CD from Canada to =
replace my dying tape copy.  Lastly, I've just received the new Ivan =
album in the mail and I'm hooked on "Open Your Eyes".
     I organize my CD's by band and age in a vertical storage rack with =
the oldest being on top and getting progressively newer as you move =
down.  And, for those of you who are interested, I am also right handed.

--Fehnnik Fox
"American Espresso:  Don't drink foam without it!"
Be sure to check out my homepage at: http://shell.rmi.net/~fehnnik
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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MWH, Ivan CD placement
Date: 23 May 1997 09:45:28 -0600 (MDT)

> Where do your MWH and Ivan cd's/vinyl/tapes fit between in your music
> collection?

What, did this discussion get dragged over here from Alloy?

  Vinyl: Men At Work "Two Hearts" LP // Midnight Oil "Beds Are Burning" 12"
     CD: Megabyte "Go For It" CD // Mercury+Caballe "Barcelona" CD5

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From: "Eric W. Soderblom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MIDI
Date: 23 May 1997 17:06:26 -0700

Hello all,
I don't know if this subject has been address yet, but does anyone have any Hats MIDI files, or is anyone interested in making one???
Eric



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From: [e-mail] (Jupiter Eight)
Subject: Re: (hats) Who am I?
Date: 23 May 1997 22:51:27 EDT

On Fri, 23 May 1997 09:37:50 -0600 Fehnnik Fox <[e-mail]> writes:

>     I organize my CD's by band and age in a vertical storage rack
>with =
>the oldest being on top and getting progressively newer as you move =
>down.  And, for those of you who are interested, I am also right
>handed.


Ok...ok.

Here's my CD info. I lost count at over 1000 and I keep them all in
individual Case Logic Sleeves which take up about 1/8th the space of
regular CD jewel cases (which I hate because the little CD holder clips
always break - especially on clear plastic cases like the IVAN CD I just
got that arrived broken). So I've got all of these sleeves in five wooden
Case Logic boxes on two shelves. Each sleeve has a place at the top (back
and front) where you can slip in the end paper pieces from the bottom of
the jewel box so everything is always right side up. I don't store them
in any alphabetical order at all. I used to, but it soon got out of hand
after I would take 30 or so to work with me. So I now arrange them by
most frequently listened to (front to back). That way, I can pull the
CD's near the back when i want something new adn put the ones I just
listened to in the front. For what it's worth I used to arrange my CD's
seasonally, or in order of when they brought back memories.

And I'm right handed.

Rod


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From: jkriens <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Broken plastic thingies on CD cases
Date: 24 May 1997 01:03:27 -0400

Jupiter Eight, [e-mail] writes:

>always break - especially on clear plastic cases like the IVAN CD I just
>got that arrived broken). So I've got all of these sleeves in five wooden

Yeah, my Ivan CD came pre-broken, too.  What's up with that?  It seems
like the CD cases that are most likely to come pre-broken are those that
are imported.  Hm.



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Broken plastic thingies on CD cases
Date: 25 May 1997 00:18:53 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-05-24 23:41:56 EDT, you write:

> Yeah, my Ivan CD came pre-broken, too.  What's up with that?  It seems
>  like the CD cases that are most likely to come pre-broken are those that
>  are imported.  Hm

Mine was broken as well.  Perhaps the problem isn't that they're imports, but
that HMV tries to get rid of all their broken cases when they send out mail
orders to America, where we can't complain or do returns! ;)

BTW, as I listen more and more to the Ivan CD, the more I like it.  Several
songs remind me of PGTW, and In the 21st....   "You" is really great....


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From: [e-mail] (rod)
Subject: Re: (hats) Broken CD cases
Date: 24 May 1997 21:24:12 -0700

Hey!!

MY Ivan cd came broken as well, from HMV Toronto.  Maybe we should take a
poll and let them know that they should pack things a little better!!!

I don't think "imports" are genetically predisposed to breakage.  I think
it has more to do with the care that goes into packing for shipping.  If I
have the chance I usually ask for the cd to be shipped without the jewel
case.  Cheaper...  also less trauma...

Rod
Los Angeles
[e-mail]



>Jupiter Eight, [e-mail] writes:
>
>>always break - especially on clear plastic cases like the IVAN CD I just
>>got that arrived broken).

>Yeah, my Ivan CD came pre-broken, too.  What's up with that?  It seems
>like the CD cases that are most likely to come pre-broken are those that
>are imported.  Hm.
>
>-John Kriens
>[e-mail]




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) MWH, Ivan CD placement
Date: 25 May 1997 14:37:25 -0400 (EDT)

Hey listfolk...

My MWH CD's are placed between The Men They Couldn't Hang's "Silvertown" and
Microdisney's "Love Your Enemies" (originally released on vinyl as "We Hate
You South African Bastards").

The Ivan CD (when it gets here) will go between the new INXS album "Elegantly
Wasted" and David J's "Etiquette Of Violence".

Back in my very first days of collecting, I had all my cassettes in the order
I bought them (for the first 100 tapes or so).  At that time, "Rhythm Of
Youth" (the fourth tape I ever bought) came after Duran Duran's "Rio" and
before "Reach The Beach" by the Fixx.

Whoever came up with the question, it's a pretty good one.


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From: "William Black" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) MWH CD placement
Date: 25 May 1997 22:45:43 UT

My MWH CD's are all over the place since my kids constantly shuffle their
location. I consider myself fortunate to find the CD in its own jewel case. If
my kids ever decide to become organized, and I alphabetized my CD's (not too
hard since I only have about 100 music CD's), they would probably fit
somewhere between Jethro Tull and the Mormon Tabernacle Choir.

I am right-handed but frequently use my left to keep people's tongues out of
the way while I drill away on their teeth to get rid of those nasty cavity
bugs. Reminds me of that song by "Weird Al" Yankovic, called Cavity Search.
...numb me, drill me, floss me, bill me.....

Bill


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From: David Hopman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) MWH CD placement
Date: 25 May 1997 18:43:41 -0700 (PDT)


OK...

CDs between Mentallo and the Fixer and Mephisto Walz


LPs between Mecano and and Mighty Sphincter.


7" between Meat Whiplash and John Merlon.


dave


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From: [e-mail] (Jupiter Eight)
Subject: Re: (hats) Broken plastic thingies on CD cases
Date: 25 May 1997 21:48:46 EDT


On Sat, 24 May 97 01:03:27 -0400 jkriens <[e-mail]> writes:
>Jupiter Eight, [e-mail] writes:
>
>>always break - especially on clear plastic cases like the IVAN CD I
>just
>>got that arrived broken). So I've got all of these sleeves in five
>wooden
>
>Yeah, my Ivan CD came pre-broken, too.  What's up with that?  It seems
>
>like the CD cases that are most likely to come pre-broken are those
>that
>are imported.  Hm.

When they first designed CD Jewel boxes they made the bottom portion out
of a more flexible plastic so the little things wouldn't break. But the
outside part always did, especially at the hinge. Now they make alot of
them out of the fragile clear plastic and nobody thought to redesign the
case. The imported ones have fewer clips to hold in the CD too.

Rod


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From: Thomas Bieler <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Broken plastic thingies on CD cases
Date: 26 May 1997 18:23:18 +0200 (MET DST)

> When they first designed CD Jewel boxes they made the bottom portion out
> of a more flexible plastic so the little things wouldn't break. But the
> outside part always did, especially at the hinge. Now they make alot of
> them out of the fragile clear plastic and nobody thought to redesign the
> case. The imported ones have fewer clips to hold in the CD too.

Just out of interest: Did any of the ROY CDs arrive with boken clips?

The clips break really easy, just smash the box upright on the table a
little violent, and voila: The clip is broken. I saw a tray design lately
where four of the eight clips were diagonally connected to prevent them
from breaking. The other four held the CD. Some Maxi-CD boxes use a similar
trick for years. Also, I have some CD trays which have four naps on the
edge of the dent where the disc lies in, possibly to prevent the disc from
moving so far that the clips break.

Man, we're talking about a lot of really important things lately, aren't we?
;-)

Thomas


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From: "Bradley N. Hull" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan in the News, Videos, CD Order, etc, etc, etc
Date: 26 May 1997 23:15:41 -0400

The local Guelph paper ran the following story in its entertainment secti=
on
on Saturday.  Thought all of you might find it interesting.

----------------------
MEN WITHOUT HATS LEADER RETURNS

Toronto (Canadian Press)

He was always hatless, but Ivan - leader of the defunct Montreal band Men=

Without Hats - never stopped wearing dancing shoes.
Almost 15 years after the Men created the disco staple Safety Dance, the
former Ivan Doroschuk is back.
Now he's just plain Ivan and his first solo album, The Spell, treads the
same techno-pop ground that has bands like Prodigy and the Chemistry
Brothers dancing up the charts.
It's a disco heavy affair, with pulsating rhythms that would sound at hom=
e
on the soundtracks of any of the recent spate of '70s nostalgia movies. =

The approach shouldn't surprise anyone, says Ivan, who oddly enough is
wearing a hat - a backwards baseball cap, to be specific.
"They are my shoes," he says of his disco roots as he sips Perrier in a
downtown hotel.
"Growing up in the '70s, that's what I listened to, and I've always used
computer-generated sounds on my records.
Ivan has no delusions of grandeur for the album.  But then he had no
inkling Safety Dance would become an international smash in 1983 either. =

The Men also scored Canadian hits with Pop Goes the World and Hey Men
before fading into obscurity.
Soft-spoken to the point where he sometimes has to be asked to repeat
himself, Ivan is nothing if not sanguine.  He's lived in Montreal most of=

his life, and has no desire to leave despite the presence of a star syste=
m
that he says has little room for English artists.
"It really works for them," he says, noting the international successes o=
f
artists like Celine Dion, Roch Voisine and Mitsou, a close friend whom he=

credits with making many excellent suggestions for The Spell.
"The English side is very small and on its own.  But it's kind of cool. =

The fact that there's no industry there doesn't inhibit the bands; the
bands don't have any roadblocks to their creativity."
"They're more unique, I find."
Ivan compares the English-language music scene in Montreal to New York in=

the '60s, with artists from all over the country spending time together a=
nd
dabbling in various musical styles, not bothered by record company types
looking for the next big thing.
Montreal-based bands including Moist, the Tea Party and the Doughboys oft=
en
hand out together at the Cafeteria, a cafe on ultra-trendy St-Laurent
Street.
----------------

I finally watched the video for Open Your Eyes that I taped Friday mornin=
g.
 I have one simple comment;  I don't get it.  As a "typical" consumer of
art, this leads me in the general direction of not liking it very much. =

Maybe with a little more explanation as to what is supposed to be happeni=
ng
I would like it more.  Unless that's the point; it has no point and isn't=

supposed to make sense.  If that's what its supposed to do then it succee=
ds
very well.

Did anyone understand that?

Regarding the current thread on CD ordering in my collection:
Ivan - between INXS The Swing  and Janet Jackson (my better half's choice=
,
not mine)
MWH - between Men At Work Cargo (again)  and George Michael Faith (better=

half's)

I am right handed, store my CDs in their jewel cases ordered alphabetical=
ly
from left to right, with the "front" facing right.  Does anyone else out
there build their own CD racks?

I also tend to gravitate towards different CD's at different times of the=

year, based upon when I added them to my collection.  For example, now th=
at
summer is getting close, I find myself moving back towards my selection o=
f
CDs from The Cars, particularly Heartbeat City on the warmer evenings out=

on the town.  MWH has representatives all across the seasons, with ROY
being a summer choice, FOTEIII mainly in the Fall, PGTW in late summer,
21st in early Winter, Sideways in mid Winter.  Now, The Spell will be
firmly entrenched as a spring favourite.

One comment on the 2-4-1.  Is there anyone else out there that had never
heard the false ending on Mother's Opinion?  The track listing on my LP o=
f
FOTEIII shows the time for this track over a minute shorter.  I was very
pleasantly surprised to hear the false ending.

Enough of my rambling.  Still greatly enjoying all my latest acquisitions=
,
thanks to all!  Still waiting for my bootleg set, should be great to have=
! =

Still waiting for Ivan tour dates.... can't wait to see him live!

Bye for now.
Brad


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From: [e-mail] (Donald Stroud)
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan in the News, Videos, CD Order, etc, etc, etc
Date: 26 May 1997 20:41:10 -0700

> From [e-mail] Mon May 26 20:34:38 1997
> Subject: (hats) Ivan in the News, Videos, CD Order, etc, etc, etc
>
<SNIP>
>
> I also tend to gravitate towards different CD's at different times of the
> year, based upon when I added them to my collection.  For example, now that
> summer is getting close, I find myself moving back towards my selection of
> CDs from The Cars, particularly Heartbeat City on the warmer evenings out
> on the town.  MWH has representatives all across the seasons, with ROY
> being a summer choice, FOTEIII mainly in the Fall, PGTW in late summer,
> 21st in early Winter, Sideways in mid Winter.  Now, The Spell will be
> firmly entrenched as a spring favourite.
>

Yet *another* interesting twist this thread is taking! For me, "Rhythm Of
Youth" is late spring/early summertime music, "Folk Of The 80s (Part III)"
and "Pop Goes The World" are winter/Christmas music (due to getting them
both during that time of the year), "... In The 21st Century" is definitely
fall, and "Sideways" is spring.

And I completely agree with you as far as "Heartbeat City" is concerned...

Don2
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From: James Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Toronto tour date!
Date: 26 May 1997 10:13:39 -0700

>From the tox.records site:

IVAN will be performing at the Lee's Palace in Toronto
Saturday the 14th of June at midnight


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) 2-fer thanks!!
Date: 27 May 1997 11:54:59 -0400 (EDT)

Hi !!!!


















































                                                                         Just
received my 2-fer today, and would like to give a million thanks to:
                Mike Miller, Rod, and especially Thomas Bieler. You guys have
made me a very happy person!!!!!

Ray


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) 2-fer thanks again!!!
Date: 27 May 1997 13:57:39 -0400 (EDT)

Last one didn't go through well. I
Just wanted to thank Mike Miller, Rod, and especially Thomas for helping me
obtain the 2-fer. I just received it today. Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ray


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) Toronto tour date!
Date: 27 May 1997 16:08:18 -0400 (EDT)

Anybody know how to get tickets?  I need 2, maybe even 4 tickets!

Dave K


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From: "Bradley N. Hull" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan "Concert"
Date: 27 May 1997 23:48:02 -0400

I just got off the phone with someone at Lee's Palace in Toronto regardin=
g
the Ivan show on June 14.
Apparently this is part of the North by NorthWest festival in Toronto. =

This is a multi-venue, multi-artist, multi-day festival that takes place
all over Toronto.  I have never been to any part of this festival before,=

but from what I have heard all events are usually really packed.
The guy at Lee's said that the Ticketmaster wristband policy is in effect=
,
but I couldn't find anything on the Ticketmaster web site.
I'm having my doubts as to whether this would be a good time/place to see=

Ivan or not.  Lee's is a bar, general admission, tables and bar seating
only.  N by NW would probably attract alot of people not really intereste=
d
in just Ivan (I imagine there would be several other bands playing the sa=
me
night).
Anyone else out there that has been to some N by NW events?  Let us know
what they were like and if it would be worthwhile getting in on the actio=
n
to see Ivan at Lee's.
I REALLY want to see Ivan live, I'm just not sure this is the best place.=


Brad


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From: "Thomas Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan "Concert"
Date: 28 May 1997 07:23:43 -0400



I just got off the phone with someone at Lee's Palace in Toronto regarding
the Ivan show on June 14.
Apparently this is part of the North by NorthWest festival in Toronto.
This is a multi-venue, multi-artist, multi-day festival that takes place
all over Toronto.  I have never been to any part of this festival before,
but from what I have heard all events are usually really packed.
The guy at Lee's said that the Ticketmaster wristband policy is in effect,
but I couldn't find anything on the Ticketmaster web site.
I'm having my doubts as to whether this would be a good time/place to see
Ivan or not.  Lee's is a bar, general admission, tables and bar seating
only.  N by NW would probably attract alot of people not really interested
in just Ivan (I imagine there would be several other bands playing the same
night).
Anyone else out there that has been to some N by NW events?  Let us know
what they were like and if it would be worthwhile getting in on the action
to see Ivan at Lee's.
I REALLY want to see Ivan live, I'm just not sure this is the best place.
Wait a Minute!!!
Isn't the North By Northwest Festival Broadcast on Much Music every year?
This will even be on the USA version of Much Music if its what I think it
is.  We might be able to tape IVAN.    :-)

Tom
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From: [e-mail] (Donald Stroud)
Subject: (hats) Other Canadian bands
Date: 28 May 1997 07:35:58 -0700

Sorry to be a *little* off-topic...

For those of you who are fans of Canadian music other than MWH, I found a
CD you might be interested in.

I got a flyer from MODified Alternative Music in Salt Lake City, Utah, USA,
which contained the following CD:

    Various Artists - The Hardest Hits Vol. 3
       This great Canadian series features many hard to find 80s tunes,
       including Vicious Pink's "Cccan't You See" (Extended Version),
       The Hawaiian Pups' "Baby Judy", the Lotus Eaters' "The First
       Picture Of You", and many more! Canadian CD $21.95

If anyone out there is interested in this, you can contact MODified as
follows:

    MODified Alternative Music
    247 East 900 South
    Salt Lake City, UT 84111

    Phone: [phone]
    FAX:   [phone]

    e-mail: [e-mail]

    Web: http//:www.modified-music.com

Enjoy!

Don2
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From: Ian Barland <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (hats) MWH CD placement
Date: 28 May 1997 10:19:21 -0500 (CDT)

Mw/oH fits between Melissa Etheridge (s/t) and Mendelssohn's (grtst hits).
In other placements, it always used to amuse me that Schubert would've
been next to Rachmaninov, if it weren't for those meddling Sex Pistols.
(a few others have intruded since then)
You wouldn't guess it from the above, but only a small percentage
of my stuff is classical.

Rod, you keep your 1000+ discs unsorted?  Wow, i am impressed - that
would drive me crazy!  :-)  I like your self-adaptive system for
cycling through your music though.


Thomas -- my 2-for-1 arrived well-packaged and intact, thank you
(and laura)!

----
ian barland ([e-mail])               Instructor, Comp Sci, Rice U.
>From a fortune cookie:  "Anyone who makes a blanket statement is a fool."


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From: Dave Mattingly <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (hats) MWH CD placement
Date: 28 May 1997 11:55:30 -0400

Ian said:
>Rod, you keep your 1000+ discs unsorted?  Wow, i am impressed - that
>would drive me crazy!  :-)

I also keep my music unsorted. Unsorted to the common eye, that is. I
actually keep my music in the order that I listen to it. The stuff I
listen to last is on the right, and stuff I haven't listened to in a
while is on the left. That way, my favorites are always together, since
I've always listened to them last. And if I want to hear something I
haven't heard in a while, I know where to look.

Currently, Ivan's Spell (which has been looping "Forever" for its second
week running) is placed next to Ed's Redeeming Qualities (check my web
page for them at http://www.geocities.com/soho/5953/erq.html) and Modern
A Cappella (a compilation with The Bobs, Housemartins, etc.).

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From: "Thomas Norman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Open Your Eyes - video spotted
Date: 28 May 1997 15:05:15 -0400

    Ok.   I saw the "open your eyes" video at 2:43pm est exactly on Much Music
(eastern feed).  This mean that it HAS to be repeated in Western Canada at
5:43pm.   For those of you in the West of Canada, get those VCRs ready.
            Mike Best,  I will be in the UK tommorow, see ya in a while.

Tom
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From: [e-mail] (Jupiter Eight)
Subject: Re: (hats) Ivan in the News, Videos, CD Order, etc, etc, etc
Date: 28 May 1997 17:34:24 EDT

>I also tend to gravitate towards different CD's at different times of
the=

>year, based upon when I added them to my collection.  For example, now
th=
>at
>summer is getting close, I find myself moving back towards my selection
o=
>f
>CDs from The Cars, particularly Heartbeat City on the warmer evenings
out=

>on the town.  MWH has representatives all across the seasons, with ROY
>being a summer choice, FOTEIII mainly in the Fall, PGTW in late summer,
>21st in early Winter, Sideways in mid Winter.  Now, The Spell will be
>firmly entrenched as a spring favourite.

*****************

Wow....deja vu!!!

Rod


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From: [e-mail] (Jupiter Eight)
Subject: Re: (hats) MWH CD placement
Date: 28 May 1997 18:20:04 EDT

On Wed, 28 May 1997 10:19:21 -0500 (CDT) Ian Barland <[e-mail]>
writes:

>Rod, you keep your 1000+ discs unsorted?  Wow, i am impressed - that
>would drive me crazy!  :-)  I like your self-adaptive system for
>cycling through your music though.

Yes I do. And what is weird is that I instinctively know where the CD I
want is (at least approximately). Each morning before I leave for work I
grab about 50 or so CD's that I want to listen to that day. It really is
getting out of hand. Especially since lately The Spell has been on
endless loops at work. :)

Rod


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From: [e-mail] (Jupiter Eight)
Subject: Re: (hats) MWH CD placement
Date: 28 May 1997 18:20:04 EDT

On Wed, 28 May 1997 11:55:30 -0400 Dave Mattingly <[e-mail]>
writes:
>Ian said:
>>Rod, you keep your 1000+ discs unsorted?  Wow, i am impressed - that
>>would drive me crazy!  :-)
>
>I also keep my music unsorted. Unsorted to the common eye, that is. I
>actually keep my music in the order that I listen to it. The stuff I
>listen to last is on the right, and stuff I haven't listened to in a
>while is on the left. That way, my favorites are always together,
>since
>I've always listened to them last. And if I want to hear something I
>haven't heard in a while, I know where to look.
>
>Currently, Ivan's Spell (which has been looping "Forever" for its
>second
>week running) is placed next to Ed's Redeeming Qualities (check my web
>page for them at http://www.geocities.com/soho/5953/erq.html) and
>Modern
>A Cappella (a compilation with The Bobs, Housemartins, etc.).

I just finished my reply to this post when I came across yours. Pretty
strange how we think alike. I even mentioned that the Spell was in an
endless loop. My exact wording. Weird.

Rod


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From: [e-mail] (Laing Ferguson)
Subject: (hats) Ivan showcase
Date: 28 May 1997 20:04:19 -0300

Hi,
   I was glad to hear that Ivan's midnight show was part of the North By
NorthWest music festival, because that should mean that the planned mini
tour is still to come. If you are in Toronto and go to the show please
report in on  what songs Ivan performs and what the show was like. Much
Music usually has fairly good coverage of this event so they may interview
Ivan and show a clip of his performance. I hope he makes a visit to their
studios for an interview plus some videos.
   I haven't checked out the Tox Records site recently, but hopefully they
will announce future concert dates that will be JUST Ivan's concert. Then
the place will be full of his fans and a great time will be had by all.
This sounds more like a showcase so the industry can see Ivan perform, I do
hope a proper tour is still in the works. Brad, if it doesn't cost a lot
you probably should check it out even with your reservations about the
venue/event (I probably would, but I won't be in Toronto on that day).

Kirk




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (hats) North by Northeast website
Date: 28 May 1997 19:46:11 -0400 (EDT)

I found a website about the music conference.  Here's the addy:

http://www.nxne.com/index.html

excerpts from the site:
<<The North by Northeast Music Festival Wristband Pass is your ticket to a
world of new music, offering priority access to 25 of Toronto hottest live
music venues for three summer nights -- June 12, 13 and 14.  Wristband Passes
at the same low price of $29
(including all taxes) -- went on sale Thursday, May 8 at the following
Toronto
locations:
NOW Magazine, 150 Danforth Avenue; HMV Superstore, 333 Yonge Street; Tower
Records, 2 Queen Street West; Sonic Temple, 5165 Yonge Street; Primal Scream,
561 Bloor Street West; 102.1 the Edge, 204 Yonge Street --or call
TicketMaster to
charge at 870-8000, or order online at www.ticketmaster.ca

Club hop your legs off with the NXNE Wristband Pass, which guarantees no
cover charge at any of the 25 official NXNE venues.  Note: Access is subject
to legal capacity;  get there early as some shows will sell out. Must be of
legal drinking age.>>

Dave K


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From: "Avi Rosenthal" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) The Spell
Date: 29 May 1997 02:14:21 UT

i just gave the spell a listen for the first time and i have to say that i
love it !!!

all of the tracks are new and very well done. i think that if MWH released a
cd today it would sound a lot like this one.

it has earned a place in my cd changer.  the case however will be between
Information Society and Jesus Jones.

try this : a shuffle play of the 2fer and this cd it is tough to pick out
which is which.  they all sound like they belong together.

avi

p.s. my case came intact, i guess i'm just lucky !!!!  ;)


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From: "Bradley N. Hull" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Ivan Concert
Date: 29 May 1997 13:52:14 -0400

Received the following from a fellow lister.
Sounds promising!

-------snip------
Brad.... heres some info you requested- feel free to share it with the
list:

it called the North by North East festival (NXNE)
wristbands are avail for $29 Can or (i think ) $ 6 at each show
4 - 5 bands per night/ per venue
(my band is one of them... and as much as id like to see Ivan- I have to =

perform the same night!!!)
Ivan told me the show will consist of DJs and a couple of dancers... (i
last =

ran into him at the beginning of April)- not sure if much has changed
Lee's Palace is an Amazing Club !!! Its very Cool... holds about 500, and=

is =

a great place to see a band.
This is Ivans first show since 91 - GO !!!! I wish i could

Feel free to write me with any other questions

W
-----------snip--------
I have ordered my wristband from TicketMaster so I will be there.  If
anyone else is planning to attend, please e-mail me.  I will be going
"stag" and don't exactly relish the idea of sitting on my own in a bar fo=
r
several hours!

Brad


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From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) the spell
Date: 29 May 1997 19:07:08 +0100

well, sorry to be the first to down the album but on my initial hearing
it isn't anything special!  (I bet I'll be banned from the channel now
but thats my personal view!)  Some of the stuff is OK, but I'm not sure
what market he is aiming at.  Parts of it sounds really thin - no real
depth - predictable synth riffs - vocals mixed too loud etc... Before you
all shout 'what the hell does he know about it', as well as programming I
also own a couple of studios and mix music myself...

Anyway, thats only the first listening so (hopefully) it'll grow on me.
I really like the hook to Open Your Eyes but the rest of it isn't up to
the chorus.

Ivan: sorry but I think you've made a damned good effort but just missed
the target.  If you want a free remix then please get in touch...

to the rest of you:  you can dance if you want - I'll sit this one out!


Mike

PS "Chain Reaction" is playing now - I like this one - honest!!!!


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From: mike <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) further
Date: 29 May 1997 19:32:22 +0100

further to the doom and gloom of the first mail (you must remember that
one!) I really like 'forever' - sounds like Strawberry Switchblade...
must have missed this one the first time round!  I'll dance to this one
:-)


Mike


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From: Dave Mattingly <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Forever
Date: 29 May 1997 16:18:03 -0400

Mike said:
>I really like 'forever' - sounds like Strawberry Switchblade...
>must have missed this one the first time round!  I'll dance to this one


I agree. Forever is my favorite track on the album. I've been listening
to it for two weeks. It seems to have elemnts of all the hats career --
It could easily fit on any of their past albums.

It continues the story of Sahara from "Love (All Over the World)", and
even includes her singing.

It expresses the desires we all have, and the absurdities to which we
will go to find it (looking for aeroplanes skywriting letters).

Dave Mattingly



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Subject: Re: (hats) the spell
Date: 29 May 1997 17:11:03 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-05-29 15:18:37 EDT, you write:

<<  well, sorry to be the first to down the album but on my initial hearing
 it isn't anything special!   >>

A friend of mine said more or less the same thing, but he says it grows on
him.  It's kind of like how I felt about 'Batdance' by Prince ('Pretzel,' as
he's known these days).  The first dozen times I heard it, I hated it.  I
like it, now.

Moral of the story:  Give The Spell a few more listens.  It may be a bit
simplistic, but it's fun!

Dave K


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From: Harding Jeff <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (hats) the spell
Date: 29 May 1997 16:21:22 -0400

All,

As much as I hate to say it, and believe me, I LOVE MWH and Ivan,
outside of Open Your Eyes (which is totally awesome), Forever (Great
song), and Somethin' (Great song), the rest of the CD just doesn't do
anything for me. Ivan's voice is LIKE NO OTHER, and I really 'feel it'
in these 3 songs.

Enough said...

-Jeff (BIG DOG)

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (hats) MIDI
Date: 29 May 1997 22:54:55 -0400 (EDT)

Hello Eric.

I have the TSD partition but I didn't have the time to put on my keyboard....
 I did I SING LAST at piano 2 years ago but I lost everything 1 year ago with
a hars disk crash...

Do you have some MWH midi's file???

Francis


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From: [e-mail] (Jupiter Eight)
Subject: Re: (hats) the spell
Date: 29 May 1997 19:53:38 EDT

Keep listening Mike...you'll change your tune...

Rod

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From: Todd Draper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (hats) Last call for the bootlegs (for now)
Date: 30 May 1997 13:28:43 -0600

Ok, this is the last call for sign ups for copies of the 3 bootlegs. At
least for now.

Email me for information.

todd


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