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From: owner-glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com (glencook-fans-digest) To: glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: glencook-fans-digest V1 #274 Reply-To: glencook-fans-digest Sender: owner-glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk glencook-fans-digest Monday, January 26 2004 Volume 01 : Number 274 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 08:11:20 EST From: BHardy1968@aol.com Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Black Company RPG - --part1_72.36f7912c.2d451a78_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/22/2004 9:08:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, jcorell@charter.net writes: > Well, the list seems to have been pretty dead for some time. Tends to > happen between publications. > > In other news: the Sci Fi Book Club now sells compilations of the first 6 > Garret novels. Two hardcover books, 3 novels per hardcover. VERY much > worth picking up. I had to buy most of mine from used book dealers. > > When I bought the first compilation, The Garret Files, from half.com, I enjoyed it a lot. What's the second called? Garret Files 2? Also, which books does it include? Thanks. B. - --part1_72.36f7912c.2d451a78_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML><HTML>In a message dated 1/22/2004 9:08:1= 5 PM Pacific Standard Time, jcorell@charter.net writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT= : 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Well, the list seems to h= ave been pretty dead for some time. Tends to happen between publications. In other news: the Sci Fi Book Club now sells compilations of the firs= t 6 Garret novels. Two hardcover books, 3 novels per hardcover. = ; VERY much worth picking up. I had to buy most of mine from used book dealers.<BR= > </BLOCKQUOTE> When I bought the first compilation, The Garret Files, from half.com, I enjo= yed it a lot. What's the second called? Garret Files 2? Also, which books do= es it include? Thanks. B.</HTML> - --part1_72.36f7912c.2d451a78_boundary-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:35:01 EST From: Axemaster2001@aol.com Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Black Company RPG - --part1_130.2a63a71d.2d455845_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/22/2004 8:06:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, harrissg@slu.edu writes: > > So BC is going to be out in D20? Neat! I love D'n'D, but the magic > system is so unimaginative, compared to Glen's work (that's one of the > things I like best about the BC series, the imaginative description of > magic). I especially like the idea of spending long years working on > One Big Item (One-eye's spear), for use in one Really Big encounter. > > Steve > Actually, I think the D20 3rd Ed rules would be easily useable to represent the world of the Black Company... of the companies 4 wizards, the easiest conversion would be to make Silent a basic wizard, and One Eye, Tom-Tom and Goblin sorcerers. Silent has the Silent Spell Feat, and the sorcerers have a large selection of illusionary spells. The authors just need to introduce a 0-Level Minor lllusion spell.... as for crafting items, possibly a Feat that allows multiple layers of spells on one item (i.e. +1, Were-Creature Bane, etc etc...and with the need expend xp to make magic items, it would explain why One Eye didnt level-up, he just put his xp into his magic item.... - --part1_130.2a63a71d.2d455845_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML><HTML>In a message dated 1/22/2004 8:06:2= 9 PM Eastern Standard Time, harrissg@slu.edu writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT= : 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> So BC is going to be out in D20? Neat! I love D'n'D, but the mag= ic system is so unimaginative, compared to Glen's work (that's one of the things I like best about the BC series, the imaginative description of magic). I especially like the idea of spending long years working on<B= R> One Big Item (One-eye's spear), for use in one Really Big encounter. Steve </BLOCKQUOTE> Actually, I think the D20 3rd Ed rules would be easily useable to represent=20= the world of the Black Company... of the companies 4 wizards, the easiest conversion would be to make Silent a= basic wizard, and One Eye, Tom-Tom and Goblin sorcerers. Silent has the Sil= ent Spell Feat, and the sorcerers have a large selection of illusionary spel= ls. The authors just need to introduce a 0-Level Minor lllusion spell....<BR= > as for crafting items, possibly a Feat that allows multiple layers of spells= on one item (i.e. +1, Were-Creature Bane, etc etc...and with the need expen= d xp to make magic items, it would explain why One Eye didnt level-up, he ju= st put his xp into his magic item....</HTML> - --part1_130.2a63a71d.2d455845_boundary-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:31:50 -0500 From: "Paquico" <Paquico@nc.rr.com> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Black Company RPG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C3E347.967B9310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable B, Check out http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/ it list authors and all = their books, in the order published.=20 I have read all of the Garrett books and I think I read sometime ago in = one of the Locus magazines, that there will be another Garrett novel in = 2004. Maybe some other list member can corroborate this. 1. Sweet Silver Blues (1987) 2. Bitter Gold Hearts (1988 3. Cold Copper Tears (1988 4. Old Tin Sorrows (1989 5. Dread Brass Shadows (1990) 6. Red Iron Nights (1991) 7. Deadly Quicksilver Lies (1994) 8. Petty Pewter Gods (1995 9. Faded Steel Heat (1999) 10.Angry Lead Skies (2002 Ed ----- Original Message -----=20 From: BHardy1968@aol.com=20 To: glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 8:11 AM Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Black Company RPG In a message dated 1/22/2004 9:08:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, = jcorell@charter.net writes: Well, the list seems to have been pretty dead for some time. Tends = to happen between publications. In other news: the Sci Fi Book Club now sells compilations of the = first 6 Garret novels. Two hardcover books, 3 novels per hardcover. VERY = much worth picking up. I had to buy most of mine from used book dealers. When I bought the first compilation, The Garret Files, from half.com, = I enjoyed it a lot. What's the second called? Garret Files 2? Also, = which books does it include? Thanks. B. - ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C3E347.967B9310 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1276" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV>B,</DIV> <DIV>Check out <A=20 href=3D"http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/">http://www.fantasticfiction.c= o.uk/</A> it=20 list authors and all their books, in the order published. </DIV> <DIV>I have read all of the Garrett books = and I think I=20 read sometime ago in one of the Locus magazines, that there will be = another=20 Garrett novel in 2004. Maybe some other list member can corroborate=20 this.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <SPAN=20 style=3D"COLOR: windowtext">1. <A=20 href=3D"http://books.fantasticfiction.co.uk/n1/n5993.htm?authorid=3D601">= <SPAN=20 style=3D"COLOR: windowtext; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline: = none"><FONT=20 face=3DArial size=3D2>Sweet Silver Blues</A>=20 (<A = href=3D"http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/years/1987.htm"><SPAN=20 style=3D"COLOR: windowtext; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline: = none"><FONT=20 face=3DArial size=3D2>1987</A><FONT=20 size=3D2>)<?xml:namespace prefix =3D o ns =3D=20 "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = /><o:p></o:p> <SPAN=20 style=3D"COLOR: windowtext">2. <A=20 href=3D"http://books.fantasticfiction.co.uk/n1/n5994.htm?authorid=3D601">= <SPAN=20 style=3D"COLOR: windowtext; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline: = none"><FONT=20 face=3DArial size=3D2>Bitter Gold Hearts</A>=20 (<A = href=3D"http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/years/1988.htm"><SPAN=20 style=3D"COLOR: windowtext; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline: = none"><FONT=20 face=3DArial size=3D2>1988</A><o:p></o:p> <SPAN=20 style=3D"COLOR: windowtext">3. <A=20 href=3D"http://books.fantasticfiction.co.uk/n1/n5995.htm?authorid=3D601">= <SPAN=20 style=3D"COLOR: windowtext; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline: = none"><FONT=20 face=3DArial size=3D2>Cold Copper Tears</A>=20 (<A = href=3D"http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/years/1988.htm"><SPAN=20 style=3D"COLOR: windowtext; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline: = none"><FONT=20 face=3DArial size=3D2>1988</A><o:p></o:p> <SPAN=20 style=3D"COLOR: windowtext">4. <A=20 href=3D"http://books.fantasticfiction.co.uk/n1/n5996.htm?authorid=3D601">= <SPAN=20 style=3D"COLOR: windowtext; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline: = none"><FONT=20 face=3DArial size=3D2>Old Tin Sorrows</A>=20 (<A = href=3D"http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/years/1989.htm"><SPAN=20 style=3D"COLOR: windowtext; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline: = none"><FONT=20 face=3DArial size=3D2>1989</A><o:p></o:p> <SPAN=20 style=3D"COLOR: windowtext">5. <A=20 href=3D"http://books.fantasticfiction.co.uk/n1/n5997.htm?authorid=3D601">= <SPAN=20 style=3D"COLOR: windowtext; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline: = none"><FONT=20 face=3DArial size=3D2>Dread Brass Shadows</A>=20 (<A = href=3D"http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/years/1990.htm"><SPAN=20 style=3D"COLOR: windowtext; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline: = none"><FONT=20 face=3DArial size=3D2>1990</A><FONT=20 size=3D2>)<o:p></o:p> <SPAN=20 style=3D"COLOR: windowtext">6. <A=20 href=3D"http://books.fantasticfiction.co.uk/n1/n5998.htm?authorid=3D601">= <SPAN=20 style=3D"COLOR: windowtext; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline: = none"><FONT=20 face=3DArial size=3D2>Red Iron Nights</A>=20 (<A = href=3D"http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/years/1991.htm"><SPAN=20 style=3D"COLOR: windowtext; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline: = none"><FONT=20 face=3DArial size=3D2>1991</A><FONT=20 size=3D2>)<o:p></o:p> <SPAN=20 style=3D"COLOR: windowtext">7. <A=20 href=3D"http://books.fantasticfiction.co.uk/n1/n5999.htm?authorid=3D601">= <SPAN=20 style=3D"COLOR: windowtext; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline: = none"><FONT=20 face=3DArial size=3D2>Deadly Quicksilver Lies</A> (<A = href=3D"http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/years/1994.htm"><SPAN=20 style=3D"COLOR: windowtext; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline: = none"><FONT=20 face=3DArial size=3D2>1994</A><FONT=20 size=3D2>)<o:p></o:p> <SPAN=20 style=3D"COLOR: windowtext">8. <A=20 href=3D"http://books.fantasticfiction.co.uk/n1/n6000.htm?authorid=3D601">= <SPAN=20 style=3D"COLOR: windowtext; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline: = none"><FONT=20 face=3DArial size=3D2>Petty Pewter Gods</A>=20 (<A = href=3D"http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/years/1995.htm"><SPAN=20 style=3D"COLOR: windowtext; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline: = none"><FONT=20 face=3DArial size=3D2>1995</A><o:p></o:p> <SPAN=20 style=3D"COLOR: windowtext">9. <A=20 href=3D"http://books.fantasticfiction.co.uk/n1/n5028.htm?authorid=3D601">= <SPAN=20 style=3D"COLOR: windowtext; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline: = none"><FONT=20 face=3DArial size=3D2>Faded Steel Heat</A>=20 (<A = href=3D"http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/years/1999.htm"><SPAN=20 style=3D"COLOR: windowtext; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline: = none"><FONT=20 face=3DArial size=3D2>1999</A><FONT=20 size=3D2>)<o:p></o:p> <SPAN=20 style=3D"COLOR: windowtext">10.<A=20 href=3D"http://books.fantasticfiction.co.uk/n6/n30156.htm?authorid=3D601"= ><SPAN=20 style=3D"COLOR: windowtext; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline: = none"><FONT=20 face=3DArial size=3D2>Angry Lead Skies</A>=20 (<A = href=3D"http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/years/2002.htm"><SPAN=20 style=3D"COLOR: windowtext; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline: = none"><FONT=20 face=3DArial size=3D2>2002</A><o:p></o:p> <A=20 href=3D"http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/years/2002.htm"><SPAN=20 style=3D"COLOR: aqua; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline: none"></A> </DIV> <DIV>Ed</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black">From:=20 <A title=3DBHardy1968@aol.com=20 href=3D"mailto:BHardy1968@aol.com">BHardy1968@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">To: <A=20 title=3Dglencook-fans@lists.xmission.com=20 = href=3D"mailto:glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com">glencook-fans@lists.xmis= sion.com</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 = 8:11=20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) = Black=20 Company RPG</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>In a message dated 1/22/2004 = 9:08:15 PM Pacific=20 Standard Time, <A = href=3D"mailto:jcorell@charter.net">jcorell@charter.net</A>=20 writes: <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20 TYPE=3D"CITE">Well, the list seems to have been pretty dead for = some=20 time. Tends to happen between publications. In other = news: the Sci Fi Book Club now sells compilations of the first = 6 Garret novels. Two hardcover books, 3 novels per=20 hardcover. VERY much worth picking up. I had to buy = most of=20 mine from used book dealers. </BLOCKQUOTE> When I = bought the=20 first compilation, The Garret Files, from half.com, I enjoyed it a = lot. What's=20 the second called? Garret Files 2? Also, which books does it=20 include? Thanks. B. </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C3E347.967B9310-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:32:15 -0600 From: Steve Harris <harrissg@slu.edu> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Black Company RPG Axe, Well, the problem with the D20 system is you don't get to make something Really Wonderful simply by working on it for years. Yes, you might give it extra abilities, but you don't get to make it hugely more likely to do damage to a deity, for instance (in D20 terms: greatly increase its Spell Penetration), nor to increase by a huge amount the damage that it does when it hits. Instead, it's all piddly stuff: increase the chance of damaging a deity from, say, 5% to 15% (okay, it's multiplied by 3; but that's still not a formidable weapon), or give it a small chance (likely 5%) of having a deadly spell effect it. If all you're doing is spending the summer making the item, maybe that's reasonable. But if you work on it several hours a week for years, then there should be a big pay-off. It's not inherently impossible to do this in the D20 system; it's just that it seems counter to the general philosophy of standardization of magic, so that everyone pretty much knows what's possible to build and what isn't. Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 20:01:46 EST From: Axemaster2001@aol.com Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Black Company RPG - --part1_162.2ae4abe0.2d45c0fa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/25/2004 4:35:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, harrissg@slu.edu writes: > > It's not inherently impossible to do this in the D20 system; it's just > that it seems counter to the general philosophy of standardization of > magic, so that everyone pretty much knows what's possible to build and > what isn't. > > Steve > > Except that there are dozens of books with all new feats, spells, abilities etc.... BC D20 would just need a set of its own feats and skills, abilities etc so these would be represented. Id be interested to see if Green Ronin opens a message board where those of us who have been long time fans could talk to the writers etc, like Necromancer Games have done with their own works and also the new Judges Guild stuff... - --part1_162.2ae4abe0.2d45c0fa_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML><HTML>In a message dated 1/25/2004 4:35:2= 5 PM Eastern Standard Time, harrissg@slu.edu writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT= : 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> It's not inherently impossible to do this in the D20 system; it's just that it seems counter to the general philosophy of standardization of magic, so that everyone pretty much knows what's possible to build and what isn't. Steve </BLOCKQUOTE> Except that there are dozens of books with all new feats, spells, abilities=20= etc.... BC D20 would just need a set of its own feats and skills, abilities=20= etc so these would be represented. Id be interested to see if Green Ronin opens a message board where those of=20= us who have been long time fans could talk to the writers etc, like Necroman= cer Games have done with their own works and also the new Judges Guild stuff= ...</HTML> - --part1_162.2ae4abe0.2d45c0fa_boundary-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 23:52:58 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Fraser=20Ronald?= <stelm7@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Black Company RPG - --0-1155110513-1075161178=:35328 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit --- Steve Harris wrote: > Axe,> > Well, the problem with the D20 system is you don't> get to make something> Really Wonderful simply by working on it for years. > > It's not inherently impossible to do this in the D20> system; it's just> that it seems counter to the general philosophy of> standardization of> magic, so that everyone pretty much knows what's> possible to build and> what isn't.> From what Chris Pramas (the head guy at Green Ronin) has said, one of the major alterations is going to be the magic system. i won't say I have faith that this will be great, but I'm not terrified that they're going to brutalize it.I actually hope that they go with a fantasy version of d20 Modern which--in my opinion--is a more adaptable system than simple Dungeons and Dragons (or d20). Fraser Ronald Sword's Edge Writer: Blood & Guts: In Her Majesty's Service Contributing Writer: Gnomes: Masters of Illusion available at http://www.rpgnow.com/ - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now - --0-1155110513-1075161178=:35328 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit --- Steve Harris <harrissg@slu.edu> wrote: > Axe, > > Well, the problem with the D20 system is you don't > get to make something > Really Wonderful simply by working on it for years. <snipping a very well-reasoned and correct arguement> > > It's not inherently impossible to do this in the D20 > system; it's just > that it seems counter to the general philosophy of > standardization of > magic, so that everyone pretty much knows what's > possible to build and > what isn't. > From what Chris Pramas (the head guy at Green Ronin) has said, one of the major alterations is going to be the magic system. i won't say I have faith that this will be great, but I'm not terrified that they're going to brutalize it. I actually hope that they go with a fantasy version of d20 Modern which--in my opinion--is a more adaptable system than simple Dungeons and Dragons (or d20). Fraser Ronald <a href="http://www.swordsedge.net/">Sword's Edge</a> Writer: <a href="http://www.rpgobjects.com/index.php?page=pro&product_id=39&">Blood & Guts: In Her Majesty's Service</a> Contributing Writer: Gnomes: Masters of Illusion available at <a href="http://www.rpgnow.com/">http://www.rpgnow.com/</a><hr size=1> <a href="http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/mail/tagline_messenger/*http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com"> Yahoo! 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