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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:55:38 -0700
From: "Kisc Kempson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Collecting

This is one of those things I'm going to do when I'm a kajillionaire. You
know, after I win the lottery or think of something to invent and sell that
you all need, or something.

Heh.

I buy whatever there is of Black Company and Garret books, and now I'm goign
to start looking into the Dread Empire. Only in the last couple weeks have I
even heard of it.

Hey, does Mr. Cook have a website somewhere? A la David-Drake.com or
stormwolf.com or something?

Kisc

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>
> Hi All,
>
> How many of you are actual Glen Cook collectors ?  ie you must own
> everything he ever did ?
>
> If you are - how many of you own _Everything_ ?  (excluding swap academy).
>
> How close are you ?  Do you own all books, but not magazine short stories
> or what ?
>
> Owning all his stuff is my goal, although this is an especially difficult
> task considering I'm in Australia and half his works were never published
> here.  I've been doing it for about 5 years now and I've got about 16
> books.  The other thing is I refuse to read the dread empire
> series until I
> own them all and I only have 4 at the moment.  I'm looking forward to
> getting stuck in!
>
> Cya
> Graham
>
>
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:05:36 -0700
From: Eric Herrmann <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Cooks religous reality

Alright this whole religious thread refuses to go anywhere productive
after many chances and I'm past tired of it.

I'm going to start removing those who continue it.

- --
Eric Herrmann
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Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 15:55:48 -0500
From: Stacey Harris <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Cooks religous reality

Derrill,

I take exception to this :)

"He used to do wierd shit at university, like go back and rework his
calculus/physiscs problems to see if he could solve them in fewer steps."

Not weird--that's what you're supposed to do!  Well, if you're a
mathematician or a physicist, anyway.

Steve, mathematician/physicist

PS
And just to put this back on-topic:  Ever notice that a great deal of
Cook's magic in the BC series is pretty much well-meshed with physics?
Not the illusions of One-Eye and Goblin, nor the Greater Magicks of the
Lady (such as Taking someone); but the flying carpets are nicely
physical in operation (once you admit a motive power and levitating
force), and the exploding colored balls were not much different from gun-powder.

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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:12:58 -0700
From: "Kisc Kempson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Cooks religous reality

> Derrill,
>
> I take exception to this :)

Very nicely done, I almost fell for it ;)

>
> "He used to do wierd shit at university, like go back and rework his
> calculus/physiscs problems to see if he could solve them in fewer steps."
>
> Not weird--that's what you're supposed to do!  Well, if you're a
> mathematician or a physicist, anyway.

He's a radiologist. I suppose that sommat counts.

>
> Steve, mathematician/physicist

THAT is just sick.

>
> PS
> And just to put this back on-topic:  Ever notice that a great deal of
> Cook's magic in the BC series is pretty much well-meshed with physics?
> Not the illusions of One-Eye and Goblin, nor the Greater Magicks of the
> Lady (such as Taking someone); but the flying carpets are nicely
> physical in operation (once you admit a motive power and levitating
> force), and the exploding colored balls were not much different
> from gun-powder.
>

I'm a big fan of authors that use a careful combination of trek-isms and
science. Always assuming they don't try to explain the Trek-ism too
carefully of course. Then you get into some of the realm of why TNG,
Voyager, et al, suck.

Drake does something like that in the original Hammer's Slammers book ... he
goes into the magnetic alignment of copper ions to explain the powerguns the
Slammers use.

I dunno of course; maybe a physicist would read that part of the book and
say "I know magnetic realignment of copper ions, and you, sir, are no
magnetic realignment of copper ions!" or something, but it was right down
the pipe of "real" and "not real" that I like.

One of the things I REALLY like about Cook's writing is the casual attitude
that the "big wizards" have about teaching stuff to other people. There is
no "you aren't high enough level" or "trade secret" ... rather, "if it is
useful to me that he know how, then I'll show him how. But I'm not showing
him any of that stuff, because him knowing that isn't going to futher MY
goals." I kind of like that. It makes me think that One Eye, Goblin, and
Silence could have been just as big and powerful as any of the Taken, if
they'd been willing to pay the price to learn the stuff the Taken managed to
learn. I'm sort of assuming that most of the Taken and those high level
casters paid some sort of price to learn this stuff... consorting with
demons, or something. I remember reading the parts about the Shadowmasters
and just shuddering, thinking of the kind of stress they were under, in
order to control that sort of power.

As an aside, I found it ironic that they chose to call themselves
Shadow"masters", because they weren't much more than apprentices, the best
of them.

I ALSO loved that all the Taken didn't just dissolve and die when their
bosses did. That is another aspect of fiction that always bugged me.

Derrill


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Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 07:59:38 +1000
From: Graham Allen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Collecting

>I have about 150 of that. (No, I don't have Swap Academy. I do have an
>uncensored, color

Do you think there are any copies still floating around ?

>copy of the cover which is more than enough.) I'm not collecting the
>uncorrected proofs, but I do have an "A Shadow of All Night Falling" ARC.
>What I'm missing is on the website under About.

I think I'll stick to english language final editions of novels and short
stories.



>>Owning all his stuff is my goal, although this is an especially difficult
>>task considering I'm in Australia and half his works were never published
>>here.  I've been doing it for about 5 years now and I've got about 16
>>books.  The other thing is I refuse to read the dread empire series until
>>I own them all and I only have 4 at the moment.  I'm looking forward to
>>getting stuck in!
>
>Don't worry about being in Australia. I've found very helpful people all
>over the world. You'll just pay a fortune in shipping costs.

Postage is normally the same price as the book!

cya


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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:03:24 -0700
From: Eric Herrmann <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Collecting

> Do you think there are any copies still floating around ?

I have no idea. Is 30 year old nrop still collectible? You'd need to
search the used nrop bookstores. It was printed in San Diego. Maybe
that's a good place to start.

In talking with Glen about 6 years ago, he said he gave away copies to
all his working buddies at the GM plant when it was published. So maybe
there's some copies in around St. Louis. It also sounded like maybe he
still had some in a box buried in the garage/basement. I don't know for
certain if he does or not. Maybe he'd part with one if it was worth his
while to dig them out.

Instead of everyone asking, is there someone who'll volunteer to ask?

> I think I'll stick to english language final editions of novels and
> short stories.

Well that makes it a lot shorter list.

All the novels are easily available as are about half the stories. A
few of the stories are just darn near impossible to find, ie Sunrise,
Enemy Territory, Sung in Blood, The Waiting Sea, Silverheels,
Appointment in Samarkand.

I started collecting just the books which wasn't difficult since I
started in the 1984. A few years ago I started collecting the short
stories, but not very seriously. I had about half of them.

Then about two years ago I decided to expand the website to include
short stories and then international editions. Suddenly it got
expensive. But I got to meet a lot of nice people and test the limits
of online translators and postal delivery. Navigating websites in
cyrillic isn't as hard as you might think.

- --
Eric Herrmann
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Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 17:17:09 -0600
From: Stacey Harris <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Cooks religous reality

Derrill,

I'll thank you not to cast Persians at mathematics and physics--or
mathematicians and physicists.  We read Cook, too, y'know.

My impression of the Taken is that, before they were Taken, they were
local strong-men, wizards that built themselves up over many decades.
But it's hard to tell, since we don't know a whole lot of what they were
like before they were Taken, and it's quite possible--likely--they got a
lot of their powers after being Taken.  For instance:  Several of them
use flying carpets.  Who invented them?  Dunno, but the Lady saw to it
that they all got to use them; heck, even the Captain managed to pilot
one that he stole.  Also, I think that more than one used the creeping
yellow/green stuff--appeared first up North, then was found in the
South.

Probably most important of all is the resistance of the Taken to dying:
The Limper is just about impossible to put down, even chopped to bits
and boiled; Soulcatcher does very well without a head; and any one of
them is likely to be dangerous, no matter how dead-looking, unless
special precautions are taken (think of One-Eye sewing up all the
openings of whoever-it-was in the South).  Are they all so
death-resistant on their own mettle?  I don't think so.  Remember the
one Taking we get to witness (Whisper, I think):  The victim is
"introduced" to Death repeatedly by the Lady, and I think we're to
assume that the Taking places the wizard in a sort of
half-life/half-death state; I guess this makes the subject more suitable
as a servitor for the Lady.

Is the Lady equally death-resistant?  I don't think we see any evidence
of that, other than that she had to be put to sleep, not killed, to end
the Domination.  Maybe that's just Cook's way to humanize her--never
show her as having ghastly super-human powers (unlike her sister).  But
maybe she's just clever enough never to have been put into situations
where that would be an issue.

Indeed, that is really the Lady's biggest source of power (small-p, not
large-P):  She's excellent at manipulation, of never being there when
the Really Nasty stuff comes down, of insinuating herself into positions
of power (and even Power) without anyone who has the capability of
trashing her ever realizing it in time.

Is that how she came to be the Dominator's consort--was she using him,
as he thought he was co-opting his only serious rival?  Turned out that
way, in the end--and she came back by the same means, seduction of
Bomanz (using him as he thought he would be using her).

And maybe that's the ultimate reason of why she survives her Naming:  It
was really her manipulative abilities that were her most important
resource, not just her magical abilities.

Steve

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Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 17:23:37 -0600
From: Stacey Harris <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Collecting

Eric,

"All the novels are easily available"

Hah!  Well, maybe if you're willing so pay in the hundred-dollar range.
Used to be (just a few years ago!) you could find lots of Garrett books
on the book shelves; nothing at all now!  In fact, I typically don't see
a single Cook on the book shelves in the major outlets--here in his own
city, too :(

"Is 30 year old nrop still collectible? You'd need to
search the used nrop bookstores."

Huh?  What's that?

Steve

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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:31:01 -0600 (CST)
From: Changeling <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Collecting

> "Is 30 year old nrop still collectible? You'd need to
> search the used nrop bookstores."
>
> Huh?  What's that?

He means pron. *grin*

- -M

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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:34:57 -0700
From: "Kisc Kempson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Collecting

nrop in a mirror, perhaps? Although I have to admit to being unaware of Cook
doing any serious x-rated fiction...

Kisc
Speculating is more fun than waiting for an answer.

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> Harris
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> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Collecting
>
>
> Eric,
>
> "All the novels are easily available"
>
> Hah!  Well, maybe if you're willing so pay in the hundred-dollar range.
> Used to be (just a few years ago!) you could find lots of Garrett books
> on the book shelves; nothing at all now!  In fact, I typically don't see
> a single Cook on the book shelves in the major outlets--here in his own
> city, too :(
>
> "Is 30 year old nrop still collectible? You'd need to
> search the used nrop bookstores."
>
> Huh?  What's that?
>
> Steve
>
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:36:42 -0700
From: Eric Herrmann <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Collecting

On Monday, November 4, 2002, at 04:34 PM, Kisc Kempson wrote:

> nrop in a mirror, perhaps?

Yeah, something like that. I didn't want to set off the mail filters
again.

> Although I have to admit to being unaware of Cook doing any serious
> x-rated fiction...

There's probably a website somewhere. Try searching on Yahoo!.

Due to dyslexia or something, I thought for years it was titled Swamp
Academy. I had no idea it was "different" until talking with him. He
didn't seem to be too proud of it. Sort of something he wished people
would forget about. I imagine like a lot of things we do when we are
young and stupid.

- --
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Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 18:47:34 -0600
From: Steve Harris <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Collecting

Eric,

This is what you're looking for a volunteer to ask Glen about, to see if
he has copies to give away or something?  "Sort of something he wished
people would forget about."

Um, don't think that's what I'd like to chat him up about...

Steve

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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:58:44 -0700
From: Eric Herrmann <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Collecting

On Monday, November 4, 2002, at 05:47 PM, Steve Harris wrote:
> This is what you're looking for a volunteer to ask Glen about, to see
> if
> he has copies to give away or something?  "Sort of something he wished
> people would forget about."

Perhaps my memory and characterization is faulty. That's why I thought
one person would be better than many. But there are fanatics out there
who want everything.

> Um, don't think that's what I'd like to chat him up about...

Yeah, mathematicians and physicists would never read that sort of
thing. :)

- --
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Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 13:08:42 -0600
From: mokie <[e-mail]>
Subject: (glencook-fans) Samhain, Voodoo

I'm not continuing that thread (really, I promise), I just wanted to
offer up a possible answer here, since I didn't see one in my skimming
of the thread itself.

> I really wish I could remember why I thought it had to do with Voodoo. I
> swear there was some sort of voodoo god or so named similarly to Samhain.

Baron Samedhi, most likely. I believe he was a variant of the god of
crossroads, and pretty Halloweenish himself, though it's been some time
since I read up on Voodoo.

That's it, I'll shut up now.

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