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Subject: glencook-fans-digest V1 #178
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glencook-fans-digest Sunday, April 28 2002 Volume 01 : Number 178
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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 01:04:45 -0300
From: Richard Chilton <rchilton@auracom.com>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Deadly quicksilver lies
> don wrote:
>
> Anybody know if this book is still in print. It is keeping me from
> moving on in the series.
>
Found it on Amazon.com - listed as limited availabily. The link is:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0451453050/qid=1019966643/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-4945267-1333567
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Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 23:09:46 -0500
From: "Ron Spence" <rjspence@ev1.net>
Subject: (glencook-fans) Angry Red Skies
Spoilers
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.
.
.
.
.
.
.
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.
.
.
.
At the end, when the three guys from "up on the hill" ended up as
vegetables, did anyone else think that maybe Casey didn't do it?
Relway was rumored to be in the room and/or nearby, and may have
avoided Casey's escape. In that case, he would have had free hand to
dispense "justice" as needed and be able to avoid blame. The big
clash between Relway and the "Hill" was already aluded to and I expect
will happen in the next book.
Comments?
Ron
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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 01:38:42 -0300
From: Richard Chilton <rchilton@auracom.com>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Angry Red Skies
Ron Spence wrote:
>
> Spoilers
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> At the end, when the three guys from "up on the hill" ended up as
> vegetables, did anyone else think that maybe Casey didn't do it?
> Relway was rumored to be in the room and/or nearby, and may have
> avoided Casey's escape. In that case, he would have had free hand to
> dispense "justice" as needed and be able to avoid blame. The big
> clash between Relway and the "Hill" was already aluded to and I expect
> will happen in the next book.
>
It could be him - but the affects seemed more psychic / magical than
physical. There was no report of massive head injuries caused by a
guard's club.
Maybe Relway is getting magical items (used to subdue prisoners during
the war? knock them out for good but leave the mind open for reading?)
and tested it on them while their defences were down. I can see some
surplus items coming onto the market as supply officers start building
their retirement funds.
Or maybe Casey gave something to Relway or taught him a psychic trick?
In many gaming setting magic and psychic powers don't interact, leaving
a master of one vulnerable to the other.
Or maybe whatever the Hill Folk tap for their magic (which is powered by
silver - a conductor) is on the electromagnetic spectrum and the energy
field just shorted it out and took their minds with it. I'd almost say
that Hill folk magic has to have some relationship to tapping other
types of energy fields - otherwise why pick on the kid to be the
inventor? Sure he's a dreamer, but he also has a magical talent from
off the Hill and is totally untrained - and completely vulnerable
because there are only a handful of people in the world who care about
him. If he was a Hill boy there would be an entire family and their
support staff behind him, not just his family and stable owner.
Is it realist that a kid in a low tech shop could help fix a
spacecraft? Of course not, unless he can somehow tap the energy fields
the crafts use. An energy field that would be affect (perhaps
supercharged) by the stunner?
Just idle speculation. Cook has never published enough details on how
the magic system works to make a guess. He might not know beyond a few
dramatic points (i.e. he didn't map it out ahead of time, just used it
in his series in a way that makes sense). Given that Cook isn't one for
mapping out every little detail I suspect he hasn't given much thought
to the magic system or how it interacts with tech, or psychic stuff
(only really introduced in this book).
Richard
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Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 22:06:06 -0700
From: Michael Llaneza <maserati@speakeasy.net>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Deadly quicksilver lies
Barnes and Noble only have it through used book dealers, at prices
ranging from $12.15 to $57.56.
If tehy're actually moving the copies $40 on up, then Glen really needs
to have a looong talk with his publisher. Mysteries are still good,
maybe new editions with less-silly covers would do well.
Richard Chilton wrote:
>>don wrote:
>>
>>Anybody know if this book is still in print. It is keeping me from
>>moving on in the series.
>>
>
>Found it on Amazon.com - listed as limited availabily. The link is:
>
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0451453050/qid=1019966643/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-4945267-1333567
>
>Richard
>
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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 02:20:14 -0300
From: Richard Chilton <rchilton@auracom.com>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Deadly quicksilver lies
Michael Llaneza wrote:
>
> Barnes and Noble only have it through used book dealers, at prices
> ranging from $12.15 to $57.56.
>
> If tehy're actually moving the copies $40 on up, then Glen really needs
> to have a looong talk with his publisher. Mysteries are still good,
> maybe new editions with less-silly covers would do well.
>
Now that would be a project - tracing the pricing on Glen's backlist and
submitting it to his agent and publishers. It might spark reprints of
the more popular ones.
After all, if some people are ready to pay $40 for a single paperback
then more are ready to pay the going rate for new paperback or released
hardcover. I've seen some TSR books released as "collectors editions"
with three or four books in one oversize volume - that might work for
Cook's backlist.
Or it might spur his pupishers to tap this willing market through
printing on demand or electronic editions.
Just speculations.
Richard
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Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 22:29:52 -0700
From: Michael Llaneza <maserati@speakeasy.net>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Deadly quicksilver lies
Doing the Garret series in 3 volume editions, with noir-ish covers (no
guns !) and pitching them towards (if not actually at) the mystery
market could do very well. Lord knows the man deserves a wider audience,
and bigger checks, than he's gotten.
Electronic publication of *everything* out of print is my goal.
Richard Chilton wrote:
>
>Now that would be a project - tracing the pricing on Glen's backlist and
>submitting it to his agent and publishers. It might spark reprints of
>the more popular ones.
>
>After all, if some people are ready to pay $40 for a single paperback
>then more are ready to pay the going rate for new paperback or released
>hardcover. I've seen some TSR books released as "collectors editions"
>with three or four books in one oversize volume - that might work for
>Cook's backlist.
>
>Or it might spur his pupishers to tap this willing market through
>printing on demand or electronic editions.
>
>Just speculations.
>
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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 02:41:39 -0300
From: Richard Chilton <rchilton@auracom.com>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Deadly quicksilver lies
Michael Llaneza wrote:
>
> Doing the Garret series in 3 volume editions, with noir-ish covers (no
> guns !) and pitching them towards (if not actually at) the mystery
> market could do very well. Lord knows the man deserves a wider audience,
> and bigger checks, than he's gotten.
>
At the time I think the biggest check he received for writting came from
the SF&F bookclub for the 3 in 1 Black Company book. From what I heard
it was years before he surpassed that year's earnings (abut 14K). One
of the big reasons he kept working.
> Electronic publication of *everything* out of print is my goal.
>
I'd perfer Printing on Demand - reading on the computer (ebook, palm,
whatever) isn't the same as a real book.
Richard
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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 00:52:19 -0500
From: "Ron Spence" <rjspence@ev1.net>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Angry Red Skies
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Chilton <rchilton@auracom.com>
To: <glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Angry Red Skies
> Ron Spence wrote:
> >
> > Spoilers
> > .
> > .
> > .
> > .
> > .
> > .
> > .
> > .
> > .
> > .
> > .
> > .
> > .
> > .
> > .
> > .
> > .
> > At the end, when the three guys from "up on the hill" ended up as
> > vegetables, did anyone else think that maybe Casey didn't do it?
> > Relway was rumored to be in the room and/or nearby, and may have
> > avoided Casey's escape. In that case, he would have had free hand
to
> > dispense "justice" as needed and be able to avoid blame. The big
> > clash between Relway and the "Hill" was already aluded to and I
expect
> > will happen in the next book.
> >
>
> It could be him - but the affects seemed more psychic / magical than
> physical. There was no report of massive head injuries caused by a
> guard's club.
> Maybe Relway is getting magical items (used to subdue prisoners
during
> the war? knock them out for good but leave the mind open for
reading?)
> and tested it on them while their defences were down. I can see
some
> surplus items coming onto the market as supply officers start
building
> their retirement funds.
> Or maybe Casey gave something to Relway or taught him a psychic
trick?
> In many gaming setting magic and psychic powers don't interact,
leaving
> a master of one vulnerable to the other.
Even Garrett says that Relway wouldn't try moving against Hill folks
unless he was secure (or had a way to deal with them...). He even
said that he was suprised that Relway was ready to move this early.
Just some idle speculation...
Ron
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Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 23:10:56 -0700
From: Michael Llaneza <maserati@speakeasy.net>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Deadly quicksilver lies
Print on Demand is the next step. This guy should have a big house and a
nice car, and health insurance for his family, based on the amount of
quality writing he has put out over the years.
Richard Chilton wrote:
>Michael Llaneza wrote:
>
>>Doing the Garret series in 3 volume editions, with noir-ish covers (no
>>guns !) and pitching them towards (if not actually at) the mystery
>>market could do very well. Lord knows the man deserves a wider audience,
>>and bigger checks, than he's gotten.
>>
>
>At the time I think the biggest check he received for writting came from
>the SF&F bookclub for the 3 in 1 Black Company book. From what I heard
>it was years before he surpassed that year's earnings (abut 14K). One
>of the big reasons he kept working.
>
>>Electronic publication of *everything* out of print is my goal.
>>
>
>I'd perfer Printing on Demand - reading on the computer (ebook, palm,
>whatever) isn't the same as a real book.
>
>Richard
>
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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 03:29:18 -0300
From: Richard Chilton <rchilton@auracom.com>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Angry Red Skies
Ron Spence wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Richard Chilton <rchilton@auracom.com>
> To: <glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 11:38 PM
> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Angry Red Skies
>
> > Ron Spence wrote:
> > >
> > > Spoilers
> > > .
> > > .
> > > .
> > > .
> > > .
> > > .
> > > .
> > > .
> > > .
> > > .
> > > .
> > > .
> > > .
> > > .
> > > .
> > > .
> > > .
> > > At the end, when the three guys from "up on the hill" ended up as
> > > vegetables, did anyone else think that maybe Casey didn't do it?
> > > Relway was rumored to be in the room and/or nearby, and may have
> > > avoided Casey's escape. In that case, he would have had free hand
> to
> > > dispense "justice" as needed and be able to avoid blame. The big
> > > clash between Relway and the "Hill" was already aluded to and I
> expect
> > > will happen in the next book.
> > >
> >
> > It could be him - but the affects seemed more psychic / magical than
> > physical. There was no report of massive head injuries caused by a
> > guard's club.
> > Maybe Relway is getting magical items (used to subdue prisoners
> during
> > the war? knock them out for good but leave the mind open for
> reading?)
> > and tested it on them while their defences were down. I can see
> some
> > surplus items coming onto the market as supply officers start
> building
> > their retirement funds.
> > Or maybe Casey gave something to Relway or taught him a psychic
> trick?
> > In many gaming setting magic and psychic powers don't interact,
> leaving
> > a master of one vulnerable to the other.
>
> Even Garrett says that Relway wouldn't try moving against Hill folks
> unless he was secure (or had a way to deal with them...). He even
> said that he was suprised that Relway was ready to move this early.
>
I'd forgotten that. Maybe Relway feels that the Hill folks have to
sleep sometime and they can be overwhelmed by numbers. I've got the
feeling that magic can't stand up to large numbers (otherwise why would
the two sides needed armies to fight for the silver mines?).
Let's look at Relway's situation:
1) The quality of the Hill folk is going down. They now have some who
have never been tested in battle. Worse, they've lost their enforced
unity. Remember how surprised Garrett was to see the Hill guy in
tattered clothing? At one time I'd doubt they'd ever let one of their
own (and a good combat man at that) sink so low.
2) The Hill folk are looking at different goals. Not only is their
quality going down but combat is no longer the be all and end all of
their skills. Great for postwar power jockeying, bad for enforcing
their rule.
3) Everyone knows that Hill folks are in it for themselves. Relway is
going to have broad popular support if it looks like he might win - even
with a cynical population.
4) A large percentage of the population is combat trained and used to
following orders. The ex-army folks 'know' (i.e. believe to the point
of certainty) that a lot of the Hill people are incompetent, led them
into ruin during the war, and these men know that magic can't keep you
alive when you have a belly full of steel. They bled during the war and
the leaders let the homeland go to hell with all these non-humans
running things now. Many of them seem to have some problems - even
Garrett admits to needing (not wanting but needing) to get drunk every
once in a while at the one bar where everyone knows what he went through
because they lived through that hell too.
5) The Hill types have lost control and haven't noticed it. Remember
when (forget his name - the chief cop) was scared about the folk from
the Hill and Garrett pointed out that they hadn't hired him so couldn't
fire him? The Hill types were needed during the war for their combat
magic, but the war's over.
6) The other powers are pushing the Hill. The Royal family is active
again. Merchants are the ones getting things done. The underworld is
almost self regulating. Everyone wants just a little more power and
everyone is taking a bit more from the Hill people.
It looks like all you need is a spark. The Call could have provided it,
but the Call seems to have lost its chance because of its leaders
political goals. If Relway can provide a clear focus for the populance,
say a rape or murder with clear proof and the guy walks because he's
from the Hill Relway can use the politically motavated force he's
assembled to enforce the concept that those sissy boys from the Hill
shouldn't be able to get away with murder in the land soldiers paid for
with their blood. Lots of bloodshed, but Relway has (probably) been
studying their security (in the guise of protecting them from the great
unwash) and knows where and how to strike.
When it comes to a fight, who would be on what side? Would the city
guards take up arms against their fellows to protect people they don't
believe in? Maybe.
Is the army ready to deal with it? I'd guess most of it has been stood
down and the rest are posistioned to handle the threats people see
coming - the old enemy trying something, a revolt in capture terrority -
not to keep the police from knocking off most of the now surplus war
wizards.
Looking at it this way Relway is ready, he just has to get things
together. He'll have to accept that he will probably be a target for
sorcerous assassination tricks and that many of his men will go down in
the fighting. Maybe he's just counting up the price and seeing if he's
ready to pay it yet - I say yet because he is a fanatic and will go for
it someday. Maybe during the big birthday party?
Speaking of the party, was it just me or Cook gloss over a lot of things
in this book? Some of those page long chapters could have easily been
full sized ones, but that would have spoiled the timing of the book.
While reading I got the feeling in places Cook was just setting the
stage for the next book.
Richard
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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 03:34:12 -0300
From: Richard Chilton <rchilton@auracom.com>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Deadly quicksilver lies
Michael Llaneza wrote:
>
> Print on Demand is the next step. This guy should have a big house and a
> nice car, and health insurance for his family, based on the amount of
> quality writing he has put out over the years.
>
He should. He would if people had better tastes in reading material.
From what I've read I've got the feeling that he lives off his pension
and the writing just pays for extras.
Most of his books don't seem to have sold well. Look at all the titles
he produced before the Black Company - I've read the Dread Empire books
but only because the local university is a holding center for SF&FWA.
Even some of the Black Company and Garrett books (great sellers) are now
out of print. If we could his entire backlist back on the market I
think he'd be able to reach a much broader audience.
Richard
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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 00:02:51 -0700
From: Michael Llaneza <maserati@speakeasy.net>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Deadly quicksilver lies
I wouldn't consider it a question of people having better tastes.
Melanie Rawn sells lots of thick books, but I find her work almost
unreadable. George RR Martin sold a lot of the Storm of Swords trilogy,
but that's just bleak and overcomplicated (well, not 'just' but I
consider those to be B grade, not A's just on mood - Winter is Coming -
and could stand to be shortened).
Dread Empire, one of the more complicated and invovled fantasy series
I've ever read, couldn't sell well enough to pay out Glen's advances for
the book (or if so, just barely) His science-fiction is quite good
(Starfishers, Dragon Never Sleeps).Arghh. I've had a button pushed, you
folks are the choir.
On the brighter side, the Garrett files seem to be selling well, and
Stacy's Books in San Francsico (large, local chain of maybe 4 stores)
has all of the in-print Black Company books on the shelf. If I had the
discretionary income this month I might have grabbed them so they'll
order more ( I *do* do that for Ill Fate Marshalling) every so often -
Borders usually has it).
Another good sign. Glen's books on Amazon now have sample pages - the
first couple of chapters - so people can get a taste. I sincerely hope
it turns into sales for him. If I was putting my personal data anywhere
near Amazon anymore I'd be writing glowing reviews (note to self: give
them the spamtrap address, review Cook).
Richard Chilton wrote:
>He should. He would if people had better tastes in reading material.
>>From what I've read I've got the feeling that he lives off his pension
>and the writing just pays for extras.
>
>Most of his books don't seem to have sold well. Look at all the titles
>he produced before the Black Company - I've read the Dread Empire books
>but only because the local university is a holding center for SF&FWA.
>Even some of the Black Company and Garrett books (great sellers) are now
>out of print. If we could his entire backlist back on the market I
>think he'd be able to reach a much broader audience.
>
>Richard
>
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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 04:25:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew)
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Angry Red Skies
>
>Spoilers
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>At the end, when the three guys from "up on the hill" ended up as
>vegetables, did anyone else think that maybe Casey didn't do it?
>Relway was rumored to be in the room and/or nearby, and may have
>avoided Casey's escape. In that case, he would have had free hand to
>dispense "justice" as needed and be able to avoid blame. The big
>clash between Relway and the "Hill" was already aluded to and I expect
>will happen in the next book.
>
I didn't get the feeling that Relway did it -- it seemed like
a non-physical attack. But, I agree that Cook seems to be setting up
Relway for a larger role in a coming book. It will be interested to
see how he entangles Garrett in that mess. It might be difficult to
do since Garrett would prefer to stay out of the way. Perhaps it will
be a sideline that the dead man can entertain himself with like the
war was in the first books.
BTW, I've watched a few Nero Wolfe shows recently (on A&E I
think) and was struck by home much Wolfe and Archie are like the
dead man and Garrett -- maybe that's why I enjoy them. Like the dead
man, Wolfe is continually requiring that everyone come to the house
to be interrogated so he can get the most out of them. But of course
Archie has to do all the legwork. And so on. A definite influence
I'd say.
Steve
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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 09:35:35 +0100
From: "Alan Rimes" <alanrimes@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Fw: (glencook-fans) Deadly quicksilver lies
Hi everyone I'm new to the Mailing List but have been a Glen Cook fan for
around 10 years ever since being lent a copy of The Black Company.
I have to agree with the comments already made that I can't understand why
more people don't read Glen Cook. I came to the conclusion that as the cover
art wasn't spectacular people often won't take a chance on an author they
don't know. Unfortinately they don't know what they are missing.
Over here in the UK is a huge market that Glen's publishers are missing out
on, either that or our two biggest retailers aren't interested. Glen's books
are almost impossible to get and I only know of two stores in London that
sell them so the only way to get hold of them is to import them via
Amazon.com which is what I've had to do for Angry Lead Skies.
Alan
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Llaneza" <maserati@speakeasy.net>
To: <glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Deadly quicksilver lies
> I wouldn't consider it a question of people having better tastes.
> Melanie Rawn sells lots of thick books, but I find her work almost
> unreadable. George RR Martin sold a lot of the Storm of Swords trilogy,
> but that's just bleak and overcomplicated (well, not 'just' but I
> consider those to be B grade, not A's just on mood - Winter is Coming -
> and could stand to be shortened).
>
> Dread Empire, one of the more complicated and invovled fantasy series
> I've ever read, couldn't sell well enough to pay out Glen's advances for
> the book (or if so, just barely) His science-fiction is quite good
> (Starfishers, Dragon Never Sleeps).Arghh. I've had a button pushed, you
> folks are the choir.
>
> On the brighter side, the Garrett files seem to be selling well, and
> Stacy's Books in San Francsico (large, local chain of maybe 4 stores)
> has all of the in-print Black Company books on the shelf. If I had the
> discretionary income this month I might have grabbed them so they'll
> order more ( I *do* do that for Ill Fate Marshalling) every so often -
> Borders usually has it).
>
> Another good sign. Glen's books on Amazon now have sample pages - the
> first couple of chapters - so people can get a taste. I sincerely hope
> it turns into sales for him. If I was putting my personal data anywhere
> near Amazon anymore I'd be writing glowing reviews (note to self: give
> them the spamtrap address, review Cook).
>
> Richard Chilton wrote:
>
> >He should. He would if people had better tastes in reading material.
> >>From what I've read I've got the feeling that he lives off his pension
> >and the writing just pays for extras.
> >
> >Most of his books don't seem to have sold well. Look at all the titles
> >he produced before the Black Company - I've read the Dread Empire books
> >but only because the local university is a holding center for SF&FWA.
> >Even some of the Black Company and Garrett books (great sellers) are now
> >out of print. If we could his entire backlist back on the market I
> >think he'd be able to reach a much broader audience.
> >
> >Richard
> >
>
>
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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 03:34:58 -0500
From: "don" <dfgarcia@stic.net>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Deadly quicksilver lies
Thanks for the information guys. I actually saw the B&N stuff. I just
couldn't believe anybody was buying that book for that price. It's not that
hard to find (except when you really want it). I can see it for Sung in
blood, Matter of Time, and the Dragon Never Sleeps. Is anyone interested in
doing a trade? I will have to sift through my stuff to see what I have
duplicate copies of.
Don
"In time, what's deserved always gets served"- COC
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Llaneza" <maserati@speakeasy.net>
To: <glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Deadly quicksilver lies
> Barnes and Noble only have it through used book dealers, at prices
> ranging from $12.15 to $57.56.
>
> If tehy're actually moving the copies $40 on up, then Glen really needs
> to have a looong talk with his publisher. Mysteries are still good,
> maybe new editions with less-silly covers would do well.
>
> Richard Chilton wrote:
>
> >>don wrote:
> >>
> >>Anybody know if this book is still in print. It is keeping me from
> >>moving on in the series.
> >>
> >
> >Found it on Amazon.com - listed as limited availabily. The link is:
> >
>
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0451453050/qid=1019966643/sr=1-1/ref
=sr_1_1/104-4945267-1333567
> >
> >Richard
> >
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 04:49:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew)
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Print on Demand
>>
>>At the time I think the biggest check he received for writting came from
>>the SF&F bookclub for the 3 in 1 Black Company book. From what I heard
>>it was years before he surpassed that year's earnings (abut 14K). One
>>of the big reasons he kept working.
>>
>>>Electronic publication of *everything* out of print is my goal.
>>>
>>
>>I'd prefer Printing on Demand - reading on the computer (ebook, palm,
>>whatever) isn't the same as a real book.
>>
>
>Print on Demand is the next step. This guy should have a big house and a
>nice car, and health insurance for his family, based on the amount of
>quality writing he has put out over the years.
>
Print on demand would be fantastic. Heck, online on demand would
be good (and it could be great if e-ink works out). But, it's not going
to happen until the publishers lose their fear. Almost all major publishers,
with Baen Books (www.baen.com) being the only execption that I know of, are
utterly terrified of online publishing and print on demand. They fear
that having their books available electronically (and print on demand
would require that it be available electronically) will mean that they'll
all be pirated. They're probably right to a certain degree. There will
be many people who will share their copy of a book with the Internet.
But, in the long run, I think that they would benefit much more by
making such conveniences available. As we see continually on this list,
people want the out of print Glen Cook books. They're willing to pay for
them, sometimes pay outrageously. This is true for virtually all authors
- -- their fans want their stuff. This is an untapped market that could be
filled by print on demand. There has to be millions of dollars in sales
potential there.
Unfortunately, the major publishers are afraid that they might be
obsolete if you could just ask Borders to print out the books that you
were interested in -- they're right to a certain extent. Also, they
realize that it will cost them millions of dollars to put all of their out-
of-print books into a format that could be printed on demand. I imagine
that most pre-1990 books aren't even available in a useful electronic
format. If someone could come up with a system that could take the old
formats and make them printable on demand then that would be a step in the
right direction. Still, I don't see most of them overcoming their fear.
Instead most will be replaced by new companies and a few old ones that
adapt.
How could we help to get authors like Cook published via online
or print on demand methods?
By the way, Eric Flint an author with Baen Books has published
some very interesting articles about online publishing (see
http://www.baen.com/library/). Baen Books has made some of their
titles available online for free as an experiment to see if that would
help or hurt their actual sales. Flint has an article discussing his
experiences regarding the number of books sold of the ones he had placed
online (http://www.baen.com/library/palaver6.htm). It has some surprising
and interesting reading. Perhaps it would be an option for Cook.
Steve
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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 02:41:45 -0700
From: Michael Llaneza <maserati@speakeasy.net>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Print on Demand
If Baen's experiment succedes we should start bugging TOR about doing
something similar, especialy for Glen's books. Glen is basically writing
for the joy and art of it anyway (unless his sales numbers are way up
since Tower of Fear) so he shouldn't mind too much, especially since
Eric Flint seems to be selling more books now that he's giving some
away. Baen did hit on two very clever ideas for their free library: give
away the first books in a series (James Schmitz has a terrific SF
anthology available) and epublish in several formats including HTML.
C'mon TOR, you're next !
Steve Chew wrote:
>>>At the time I think the biggest check he received for writting came from
>>>the SF&F bookclub for the 3 in 1 Black Company book. From what I heard
>>>it was years before he surpassed that year's earnings (abut 14K). One
>>>of the big reasons he kept working.
>>>
>>>>Electronic publication of *everything* out of print is my goal.
>>>>
>>>I'd prefer Printing on Demand - reading on the computer (ebook, palm,
>>>whatever) isn't the same as a real book.
>>>
>>Print on Demand is the next step. This guy should have a big house and a
>>nice car, and health insurance for his family, based on the amount of
>>quality writing he has put out over the years.
>>
>
> Print on demand would be fantastic. Heck, online on demand would
>be good (and it could be great if e-ink works out). But, it's not going
>to happen until the publishers lose their fear. Almost all major publishers,
>with Baen Books (www.baen.com) being the only execption that I know of, are
>utterly terrified of online publishing and print on demand. They fear
>that having their books available electronically (and print on demand
>would require that it be available electronically) will mean that they'll
>all be pirated. They're probably right to a certain degree. There will
>be many people who will share their copy of a book with the Internet.
> But, in the long run, I think that they would benefit much more by
>making such conveniences available. As we see continually on this list,
>people want the out of print Glen Cook books. They're willing to pay for
>them, sometimes pay outrageously. This is true for virtually all authors
>-- their fans want their stuff. This is an untapped market that could be
>filled by print on demand. There has to be millions of dollars in sales
>potential there.
> Unfortunately, the major publishers are afraid that they might be
>obsolete if you could just ask Borders to print out the books that you
>were interested in -- they're right to a certain extent. Also, they
>realize that it will cost them millions of dollars to put all of their out-
>of-print books into a format that could be printed on demand. I imagine
>that most pre-1990 books aren't even available in a useful electronic
>format. If someone could come up with a system that could take the old
>formats and make them printable on demand then that would be a step in the
>right direction. Still, I don't see most of them overcoming their fear.
>Instead most will be replaced by new companies and a few old ones that
>adapt.
>
> How could we help to get authors like Cook published via online
>or print on demand methods?
>
> By the way, Eric Flint an author with Baen Books has published
>some very interesting articles about online publishing (see
>http://www.baen.com/library/). Baen Books has made some of their
>titles available online for free as an experiment to see if that would
>help or hurt their actual sales. Flint has an article discussing his
>experiences regarding the number of books sold of the ones he had placed
>online (http://www.baen.com/library/palaver6.htm). It has some surprising
>and interesting reading. Perhaps it would be an option for Cook.
>
> Steve
>
>
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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 05:56:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew)
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Print on Demand
>> But, in the long run, I think that they would benefit much more by
>>making such conveniences available. As we see continually on this list,
>>people want the out of print Glen Cook books. They're willing to pay for
>>them, sometimes pay outrageously. This is true for virtually all authors
>>-- their fans want their stuff. This is an untapped market that could be
>>filled by print on demand. There has to be millions of dollars in sales
>>potential there.
>> Unfortunately, the major publishers are afraid that they might be
>>obsolete if you could just ask Borders to print out the books that you
>>were interested in -- they're right to a certain extent. Also, they
>>realize that it will cost them millions of dollars to put all of their out-
>>of-print books into a format that could be printed on demand. I imagine
>>that most pre-1990 books aren't even available in a useful electronic
>>format. If someone could come up with a system that could take the old
>>formats and make them printable on demand then that would be a step in the
>>right direction. Still, I don't see most of them overcoming their fear.
>>Instead most will be replaced by new companies and a few old ones that
>>adapt.
>>
>> How could we help to get authors like Cook published via online
>>or print on demand methods?
>>
>> By the way, Eric Flint an author with Baen Books has published
>>some very interesting articles about online publishing (see
>>http://www.baen.com/library/). Baen Books has made some of their
>>titles available online for free as an experiment to see if that would
>>help or hurt their actual sales. Flint has an article discussing his
>>experiences regarding the number of books sold of the ones he had placed
>>online (http://www.baen.com/library/palaver6.htm). It has some surprising
>>and interesting reading. Perhaps it would be an option for Cook.
>>
>
>If Baen's experiment succedes we should start bugging TOR about doing
>something similar, especialy for Glen's books. Glen is basically writing
>for the joy and art of it anyway (unless his sales numbers are way up
>since Tower of Fear) so he shouldn't mind too much, especially since
>Eric Flint seems to be selling more books now that he's giving some
>away. Baen did hit on two very clever ideas for their free library: give
>away the first books in a series (James Schmitz has a terrific SF
>anthology available) and epublish in several formats including HTML.
>
Yes. Judging from his initial numbers it appears that it
is successful. It will be interesting to see the numbers that he
said he'll be publishing for David Drake and Mercedes Lackey to see
whether their experiences jive with his. He mentions that along with
a number of other interesting info in this article:
http://www.baen.com/library/palaver7.htm
That same article undermines my thoughts on the likelihood
of print on demand becoming useful for mass produced books. However,
I still think that print on demand and certainly online publishing
will make sense for out of print books in the long run. If, as Flint
says, most of the cost is in the book preparation then it will make
sense to retain the book "in print" via online means since that will
be cheap to do and will increase author recognition.
Steve
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