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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 15:41:18 +0200
From: "Marcin Welnicki" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Odp: Odp: (glencook-fans) BC Movie

> Croaker is "Over 40 by the time of the Tally campaign".  The citation
> for this is _Shadows Linger_, p. 30.  I'm not at home now, so I can't

i can remember where, but i had the ipmression that somewhere in the book
 shadow linger) was stated that they had been in Lady's service for several
years( i have to check this)

Mokcer



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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 10:00:43 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Odp: (glencook-fans) BC Movie

In a message dated 9/5/01 12:10:30 PM, [e-mail] writes:

Croaker is "Over 40 by the time of the Tally campaign".  The citation
for this is _Shadows Linger_, p. 30.  I'm not at home now, so I can't
verify the citation.  But that accords very well with my internal
picture of Croaker--30 is way too young for him at the beginning of the saga.

"if he had this age [mid 40's] at the beginning of Black Company (you're
describing the captain so it probably is) he would be something of 70-80
in the last book"

Brian writes....

(Hope I remember how to do this. It's been over a year since I did anything
but lurk.)

Pg 56 of Dreams of Steel not only has a good description of Croaker, it also
gives his age as "about 45 years old." On page 54 of the same book,
Soulcatcher's beheading was described as "a decade and a half" ago. Granted,
Glen Cook doesn't seem terribly worried about getting every little detail
correct but this would put Croaker at about a sprightly 30 during the first
book. (Anything younger than I am is "sprightly" / even if I'm not sure how
to spell it.)


   Brian Hardy
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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 20:02:15 +0200
From: "gwen1" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Odp: (glencook-fans) Something Completely Off-Topic

> Mocker, Gwen,
>
> Is there any place on line I can get hold of the Polish National
> Anthem--the music?  Just the first line would do.
>
No, I don't have it, and I'm leaving tomorrow for Sousse for a week, so
don't have time to look it up. Maybe others can help you. If they won't,
I'll try to find it on a tape, and copy it to my computer somehow. When is
this performance?

Greetings from Gwen
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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 15:10:05 -0400
From: "Scott Vandenberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (glencook-fans) Remove from list

Hey,
Does anybody know how I can get removed from this list?
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>
> > Mocker, Gwen,
> >
> > Is there any place on line I can get hold of the Polish National
> > Anthem--the music?  Just the first line would do.
> >
> No, I don't have it, and I'm leaving tomorrow for Sousse for a week, so
> don't have time to look it up. Maybe others can help you. If they won't,
> I'll try to find it on a tape, and copy it to my computer somehow. When is
> this performance?
>
> Greetings from Gwen
> [e-mail]
>
> --
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> don't let them take it!"
>  Stanislaw Jerzy Lec
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 12:23:23 -0700
From: Gray Lowell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Remove from list

On Thursday, September 6, 2001, at 12:10 PM, Scott Vandenberg wrote:

> Hey,
> Does anybody know how I can get removed from this list?
>

do you read the bottom of each email?

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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 14:23:07 -0500
From: "PrimalChrome" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Remove from list

Annoy Eric with off topic posts about Robert Jordan.  heh heh heh

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> Hey,
> Does anybody know how I can get removed from this list?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "gwen1" <[e-mail]>
> To: <[e-mail]>
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 2:02 PM
> Subject: Odp: (glencook-fans) Something Completely Off-Topic
>
>
> >
> > > Mocker, Gwen,
> > >
> > > Is there any place on line I can get hold of the Polish National
> > > Anthem--the music?  Just the first line would do.
> > >
> > No, I don't have it, and I'm leaving tomorrow for Sousse for a week, so
> > don't have time to look it up. Maybe others can help you. If they won't,
> > I'll try to find it on a tape, and copy it to my computer somehow. When
is
> > this performance?
> >
> > Greetings from Gwen
> > [e-mail]
> >
> > --
> > "Everyone want's your good-
> > don't let them take it!"
> >  Stanislaw Jerzy Lec
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 15:48:23 -0400
From: "Michele Riccio" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Something Completely Off-Topic

Don't know if this is exactly what you need, but try:

http://wings.buffalo.edu/info-
poland/web/arts_culture/music/hymns/marsz/link.shtml

They have a real audio download & sheet music listed.

break a leg!
M


On 5 Sep 2001, at 18:36, Steve Harris wrote

Date sent:          Wed, 05 Sep 2001 18:36:50 -0500
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> Mocker, Gwen,
>
> Is there any place on line I can get hold of the Polish National
> Anthem--the music?  Just the first line would do.
>
> I'm singing in a performance of "The Holocaust Cantata", which
> includes a very stirring song (composed in the concentration camps) of
> Polish resistance.  The first line of the Polish National Anthem is
> quoted (in Polish); it would be interesting to know if the melody it's
> sung to is the Anthem melody.
>
> Steve
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Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 13:57:28 -0600
From: Eric Herrmann <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Remove from list

> Does anybody know how I can get removed from this list?

I do, I do. <G> And you're gone. Quick and painless.

I'd thought about leaving him around for the abuse,
but I guess I was just in a different mood. Sorry.

Thank you all for the thoughtful suggestions/instructions.
Other people are apparently making use of them.
(I guess they didn't know how to unsubscribe either.)

And now we return you back to the lull in progress...

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Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 14:58:31 -0500
From: Steve Harris <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Odp: (glencook-fans) Something Completely Off-Topic

Gwen,

Our performance is in November, American Veterans' Day (Nov. 11?).
Thanks for any help you can give--if you just know the tune and know
musical notation, a written description of, say, the first two bars will
be sufficient.

Steve

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Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 14:05:08 -0600
From: Eric Herrmann <[e-mail]>
Subject: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion

The Saint Charles Science Fiction Fantasy Society is having a book
discussion with Glen Cook at 7pm on Sept 10 at a Border's Bookstore.
(11745 Olive Street, Creve Coure, MO 63141 314-432-3575)

The book to be discussed is "Sweet Silver Blues".
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Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 17:49:31 -0500
From: Steve Harris <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion

Eric,

I will be at the "Sweet Silver Blues" discussion with Glen on Monday.

Now if I can just make sure to buy and read it by Monday evening...

Steve

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Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 17:28:21 -0600
From: Eric Herrmann <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion

> I will be at the "Sweet Silver Blues" discussion with Glen on Monday.

Great! Anyone else?

Would you be willing to take some questions from the list to the discussion?
(*** Remember, this is not a Black Company book. ***)

Perhaps something like, "Was the character Glory Mooncalled modeled after
Napoleon?" :)

> Now if I can just make sure to buy and read it by Monday evening...

Good luck buying one and getting it shipped to you by then.

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Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 21:56:10 -0300
From: Richard Chilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Dread Empire

> Ok, so after 30 more messages about who can play who NO ONE has any
> idea on how to get tha last book in Dread Empire series? The character
> stuff is well and good but this is something that is driving me mad. Any
> thought at all? I mean hey, Glen Cook has WRITTEN a book that is
> UNPUBLISHED!!! This is insane !!!

It's the reason that Glitter Stone took so long to come out.  Glen Cook
wrote a DE book, couldn't sell it.  All that time and effort spent
writing a book and no money for it.
None - so he vowed to never again write a novel that wasn't sold.

Why?  Because the Dread Empire books didn't sell well.  I liked them,
you liked them, lots of people on the list like them, but they didn't
sell and the publisher lost money on them.

How do we get that book published?  Well, maybe we can contact the
publishers and tell them we'd like to see it, but I doubt we'd have the
numbers to impression them.  The idea of Electronic Publishing has been
raised before, but most ePublishers are just online vanity presses.
There is hope though: Glen Cook's publishers are looking at a Print on
Demand service and ePublishing for some of their backlist.  If the Dread
Empire books get added to those services and sell well then maybe, just
maybe the publishers will want to publish that book and pay Cook for it.

Which raises the question:
What kind of shape is that book in?
Let's assume the book needs some work - say 6 months or so to get it
ready for publication.  Would Cook devote that time to a book that would
sell in limited quantities to fans following a series whose last book
came out in 1988, or would he spend his time writting a mass market
paperback?
Only Glen Cook can answer that question, and I suspect the answer may
depend on what he's doing professionally when the answer is raised.

Richard

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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 22:10:16 -0400
From: "C.L. Yona" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Odp: (glencook-fans) BC Movie

  I like Rutger Hauer as Croaker.  He's good at that anti-hero type of
thing.  But that's just me.

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Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 10:39:19 -0700
From: Bagel <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion

Good luck finding one. I have a spare but no way to get it to you by Mon.

Steve Harris wrote:

> Eric,
>
> I will be at the "Sweet Silver Blues" discussion with Glen on Monday.
>
> Now if I can just make sure to buy and read it by Monday evening...
>
> Steve
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Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 10:40:17 -0700
From: Bagel <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion

 Ask if we will ever get to know Garretts first name.

Eric Herrmann wrote:

> > I will be at the "Sweet Silver Blues" discussion with Glen on Monday.
>
> Great! Anyone else?
>
> Would you be willing to take some questions from the list to the discussion?
> (*** Remember, this is not a Black Company book. ***)
>
> Perhaps something like, "Was the character Glory Mooncalled modeled after
> Napoleon?" :)
>
> > Now if I can just make sure to buy and read it by Monday evening...
>
> Good luck buying one and getting it shipped to you by then.
>
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Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 10:44:16 -0700
From: Bagel <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Dread Empire

Ok, so if the book never comes out what would the chances be of getting Glen
to just let us know waht hapens to Bragi and Kavelin ? Who ends up ruling?
Anyone have his address? Or email account?

Richard Chilton wrote:

> > Ok, so after 30 more messages about who can play who NO ONE has any
> > idea on how to get tha last book in Dread Empire series? The character
> > stuff is well and good but this is something that is driving me mad. Any
> > thought at all? I mean hey, Glen Cook has WRITTEN a book that is
> > UNPUBLISHED!!! This is insane !!!
>
> It's the reason that Glitter Stone took so long to come out.  Glen Cook
> wrote a DE book, couldn't sell it.  All that time and effort spent
> writing a book and no money for it.
> None - so he vowed to never again write a novel that wasn't sold.
>
> Why?  Because the Dread Empire books didn't sell well.  I liked them,
> you liked them, lots of people on the list like them, but they didn't
> sell and the publisher lost money on them.
>
> How do we get that book published?  Well, maybe we can contact the
> publishers and tell them we'd like to see it, but I doubt we'd have the
> numbers to impression them.  The idea of Electronic Publishing has been
> raised before, but most ePublishers are just online vanity presses.
> There is hope though: Glen Cook's publishers are looking at a Print on
> Demand service and ePublishing for some of their backlist.  If the Dread
> Empire books get added to those services and sell well then maybe, just
> maybe the publishers will want to publish that book and pay Cook for it.
>
> Which raises the question:
> What kind of shape is that book in?
> Let's assume the book needs some work - say 6 months or so to get it
> ready for publication.  Would Cook devote that time to a book that would
> sell in limited quantities to fans following a series whose last book
> came out in 1988, or would he spend his time writting a mass market
> paperback?
> Only Glen Cook can answer that question, and I suspect the answer may
> depend on what he's doing professionally when the answer is raised.
>
> Richard
>
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Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 02:04:19 -0700
From: mokie <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion

Eric Herrmann wrote:
>
> The Saint Charles Science Fiction Fantasy Society is having a book
> discussion with Glen Cook at 7pm on Sept 10 at a Border's Bookstore.
> (11745 Olive Street, Creve Coure, MO 63141 314-432-3575)
>
> The book to be discussed is "Sweet Silver Blues".
> Anyone able to go?

I'm sure as hell going to try...

Woo!

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Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 02:47:26 -0500
From: Steve Harris <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion

Eric, Bagel,

Hokay, I'll try to remember:

Is Glory Mooncalled based on Napoleon?
Does Garrett have a front name?

More important to me is, does my favorite 2nd-hand bookstore have a copy
of SSB?  (Seems unlikely I'll find a new copy in the bookstore, but I'll
try that, too.)

Steve

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Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 03:12:10 -0700
From: mokie <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion

> More important to me is, does my favorite 2nd-hand bookstore have a copy
> of SSB?  (Seems unlikely I'll find a new copy in the bookstore, but I'll
> try that, too.)

It'd be easier to check the St. Louis Public Library--I know that as of
"Red Iron Nights" release, they had a (more or less) complete collection
of Cook's works. :)

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Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 12:41:40 +0200
From: "Marcin Welnicki" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Odp: (glencook-fans) Dread Empire

> Only Glen Cook can answer that question, and I suspect the answer may
> depend on what he's doing professionally when the answer is raised.

someone could ask him that at the Glen Cook Book Discussion someone
mentioned

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Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 07:24:21 -0400
From: "Timothy P. Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion

Eric;

    Do you know if the store is going to allow dial-up via a conference call?
Methinks several folk (including myself) would gladly spring for long
distance charges for the ability to chat with Glen.

    Any info would be appreciated.  thanks for the heads-up!

Regards;

TT

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> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Eric
> Herrmann
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 4:05 PM
> To: Glen Cook Fans
> Subject: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion
>
>
> The Saint Charles Science Fiction Fantasy Society is having a book
> discussion with Glen Cook at 7pm on Sept 10 at a Border's Bookstore.
> (11745 Olive Street, Creve Coure, MO 63141 314-432-3575)
>
> The book to be discussed is "Sweet Silver Blues".
> Anyone able to go?
>
> --
> Eric Herrmann
> <[e-mail]>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 07:24:21 -0400
From: "Timothy P. Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion

Eric;

    Do you know if the store is going to allow dial-up via a conference call?
Methinks several folk (including myself) would gladly spring for long
distance charges for the ability to chat with Glen.

    Any info would be appreciated.  thanks for the heads-up!

Regards;

TT

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> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Eric
> Herrmann
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 4:05 PM
> To: Glen Cook Fans
> Subject: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion
>
>
> The Saint Charles Science Fiction Fantasy Society is having a book
> discussion with Glen Cook at 7pm on Sept 10 at a Border's Bookstore.
> (11745 Olive Street, Creve Coure, MO 63141 314-432-3575)
>
> The book to be discussed is "Sweet Silver Blues".
> Anyone able to go?
>
> --
> Eric Herrmann
> <[e-mail]>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 19:38:23 -0700
From: Bagel <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion

Not to be negative on ya, but it took me quite while to find a copy. Of
course, a week later I found the one I thought I lost.

Steve Harris wrote:

> Eric, Bagel,
>
> Hokay, I'll try to remember:
>
> Is Glory Mooncalled based on Napoleon?
> Does Garrett have a front name?
>
> More important to me is, does my favorite 2nd-hand bookstore have a copy
> of SSB?  (Seems unlikely I'll find a new copy in the bookstore, but I'll
> try that, too.)
>
> Steve
>
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Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 08:26:11 +0000
From: Troy Lefman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion

I wish.  I have to work that night and didn't have time to ask off.  (I
live about 200 miles from St. Louis.)


Eric Herrmann wrote:

> The Saint Charles Science Fiction Fantasy Society is having a book
> discussion with Glen Cook at 7pm on Sept 10 at a Border's Bookstore.
> (11745 Olive Street, Creve Coure, MO 63141 314-432-3575)
>
> The book to be discussed is "Sweet Silver Blues".
> Anyone able to go?
>
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> Eric Herrmann
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Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 10:38:49 -0600
From: Eric Herrmann <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Glen Cook Book Discussion

> Is Glory Mooncalled based on Napoleon?

That was not a serious question. It was an example.
Too bad Gwen wasn't around to appreciate it. :)

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