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From: owner-glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com (glencook-fans-digest) To: glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: glencook-fans-digest V1 #93 Reply-To: glencook-fans-digest Sender: owner-glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-glencook-fans-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk glencook-fans-digest Sunday, March 25 2001 Volume 01 : Number 093 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:01:54 -0600 From: Pete Flugstad <pete_flugstad@icon-labs.com> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Robert Adams' Horseclans Mike Koshel wrote: > I've been rereading my Horseclans books from the mid-eighties and I was > wondering if there were any other Glen Cook fans on the list who also > enjoyed this series. I've read the first couple (1/2 dozen maybe), and I liked them. Just haven't had time to find/read more. How many are there anyway? Pete ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:07:05 EST From: Donnafair@aol.com Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Robert Adams' Horseclans In a message dated 3/23/01 2:30:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, sqeng@uniserve.com writes: << I've been rereading my Horseclans books from the mid-eighties and I was wondering if there were any other Glen Cook fans on the list who also enjoyed this series. >> I alternately liked them and hated them. I found he had an unfortunate tendency to create characters I cared about then drop them off the face of the earth. Very frustrating. Donna ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:24:30 -0800 From: Mike Koshel <sqeng@uniserve.com> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Robert Adams' Horseclans There were 18 books plus two shared short story compilations for a total of 20 books. I've found that it is best to read them in a chronological order, not publication order. If anyone is interested I can send them a private e-mail with a recommended reading order. I've also found two good websites on the Horseclans books at: http://enphilistor.users4.50megs.com/horse.htm & http://horseclans.myqth.com/ for more information on the series. Mike >Mike Koshel wrote: >> I've been rereading my Horseclans books from the mid-eighties and I was >> wondering if there were any other Glen Cook fans on the list who also >> enjoyed this series. >I've read the first couple (1/2 dozen maybe), and I liked them. Just >haven't had time to find/read more. How many are there anyway? >Pete ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:28:10 -0800 From: Mike Koshel <sqeng@uniserve.com> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Robert Adams' Horseclans Does this remind you of another author we know? (Especially the Dread Empire saga) Mike >I>n a message dated 3/23/01 2:30:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, >>sqeng@uniserve.com writes: >><< I've been rereading my Horseclans books from the mid-eighties and I was >>wondering if there were any other Glen Cook fans on the list who also >>enjoyed this series. >> >I alternately liked them and hated them. I found he had an unfortunate >tendency to create characters I cared about then drop them off the face of >the earth. Very frustrating. >Donna ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:17:13 -0600 From: Steve Harris <harrissg@SLU.EDU> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Robert Adams' Horseclans Hi, all, Donna's comment on Horseclans -- "I found he had an unfortunate tendency to create characters I cared about then drop them off the face of the earth." - -- brought to my mind a question of where Glen Cook might take Black Company stories (he's said to me that he expects to be persuaded eventually to continue the BC, though probably not in further linear development of the story, so much as looking back in time or "sideways", i.e., in the alternate worlds). Suppose Glen were to write about earlier history of presently known characters; which would you like him to feature? I think my vote goes for One-Eye and how he and Tom-Tom got into the mercenary trade. But tales of the Domination or of the early stages of the Lady's resurgence could also be intriguing. (The Garrett series doesn't seem to do anything except accumulate characters--do any ever die off?) Steve ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:43:22 -0600 From: Dave Roberts <daver@texoma.net> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Robert Adams' Horseclans - --=====================_11366728==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:30 PM 3/23/01 -0800, you wrote: >I've been rereading my Horseclans books from the mid-eighties and I was >wondering if there were any other Glen Cook fans on the list who also >enjoyed this series. > >Mike > > >======================================================================= >To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, >visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. All of my Horseclans books are packed away, along with quite a few of my paperbacks...I guess you can never have enough bookshelf space, but I dug out the second one, Swords of the Horseclans, because of what I remembered of the author's preface, which I have entered below. When called upon, at cons and elsewhere, to categorize the books making up my HORSECLANS Series, I label them "Heroic Adventure Fantasies" rather than the more familiar "Science fiction," "Science Fantasy" or something similar. I am not a scientist and you will find damn all science in my writings. Nor will you find much moralization, since I strongly feel that too many of today's fictional offerings are less books, to be read and enjoyed, than they are soapboxes, from which their authors feel free to preach and preach and preach, ad nauseum. HORSECLANS books are escapist literature, pure and simple. They are conceived and written expressly for the enjoyment of you, the reader, for your pleasure and relaxation, not to make points for my own particular politico-sociologico-economico-ethnico-religious views. Enjoy! Robert Adams Richmond, Virginia I always thought that that was refreshing, especially because of all the hacks who think that because they can string one word after another and get paid for it they should be able to tell the rest of us how to live...hmmm, I seem to have forgotten to take my medication, please excuse the ranting. The Horseclans books always had great covers, I think Ken Kelly painted most of them. Dave Roberts daver@texoma.net A witty saying proves nothing. Voltaire - --=====================_11366728==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" <html> At 02:30 PM 3/23/01 -0800, you wrote: <blockquote type=cite cite>I've been rereading my Horseclans books from the mid-eighties and I was wondering if there were any other Glen Cook fans on the list who also enjoyed this series. Mike ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <<a href="http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html" eudora="autourl">http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html</a>>. </blockquote> All of my Horseclans books are packed away, along with quite a few of my paperbacks...I guess you can never have enough bookshelf space, but I dug out the second one, Swords of the Horseclans, because of what I remembered of the author's preface, which I have entered below. <x-tab> </x-tab>When called upon, at cons and elsewhere, to categorize the books making up my HORSECLANS Series, I label them "Heroic Adventure Fantasies" rather than the more familiar "Science fiction," "Science Fantasy" or something similar. I am not a scientist and you will find damn all science in my writings. <x-tab> </x-tab>Nor will you find much moralization, since I strongly feel that too many of today's fictional offerings are less books, to be read and enjoyed, than they are soapboxes, from which their authors feel free to preach and preach and preach, ad nauseum. <x-tab> </x-tab>HORSECLANS books are escapist literature, pure and simple. They are conceived and written expressly for the enjoyment of you, the reader, for your pleasure and relaxation, not to make points for my own particular politico-sociologico-economico-ethnico-religious views. <x-tab> </x-tab>Enjoy! <x-tab> </x-tab><x-tab> </x-tab><x-tab> </x-tab><x-tab> </x-tab><x-tab> </x-tab><x-tab> </x-tab>Robert Adams <x-tab> </x-tab><x-tab> </x-tab><x-tab> </x-tab><x-tab> </x-tab><x-tab> </x-tab><x-tab> </x-tab>Richmond, Virginia I always thought that that was refreshing, especially because of all the hacks who think that because they can string one word after another and get paid for it they should be able to tell the rest of us how to live...hmmm, I seem to have forgotten to take my medication, please excuse the ranting. The Horseclans books always had great covers, I think Ken Kelly painted most of them. <div>Dave Roberts</div> <div>daver@texoma.net</div> <div>A witty saying proves nothing.</div> <x-tab> </x-tab><x-tab> </x-tab><x-tab> </x-tab>Voltaire </html> - --=====================_11366728==_.ALT-- ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:24:19 EST From: Klobas@aol.com Subject: (glencook-fans) Re: glencook-fans-digest V1 #92 Regarding 'Angry Lead Skies', I recall reading in the Locus issue from two or three months ago that it was purchased by Roc, not Tor. S. Klobas ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 16:19:36 -0400 From: Richard Chilton <rchilton@auracom.com> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Robert Adams' Horseclans (Spoilers for SP) Steve Harris wrote: > > I think my vote goes for One-Eye and how he and Tom-Tom got into the > mercenary trade. But tales of the Domination or of the early stages of > the Lady's resurgence could also be intriguing. > I'd like to see books about the Domination, or other historical stuff from the long past. I wouldn't like to see the back history of One-Eye, Tom-Tom, or any other members of the company. It would demystify them too much. There's also the part (I think in the first book) where Croaker says many people seem to have romantic backgrounds, but when you find out what they are it's usually just a sordid tale... Spoilers below (for The Silver Spike - some from Shadow Games) Look at Raven. Mysterious, romantic Raven. He of the unknown but romantic background. In The Silver Spike we learn (or have our suspicions confirmed) that he was just a noble who ran out on his preteen kids rather than take a tough stand and try to take back what his wife stole from him. Big lack of romance there once the mystery is gone. As for One-One and Tom-Tom specifically, we know a bit about their background. They were sold to a witch doctor as apprentices. Their master lost an arm taking on a were-leopard. Whatever they did was so bad that years (and generations) later One-Eye was very nervious passing through his old territory in Shadow Games. I'd say it was criminal enterprise gone bad, but that's just a guess. Richard ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:20:12 EST From: Donnafair@aol.com Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Robert Adams' Horseclans In a message dated 3/23/01 4:18:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, harrissg@SLU.EDU writes: << But tales of the Domination or of the early stages of the Lady's resurgence could also be intriguing. >> Oh, I think that's a story that's just dying to be told. :) ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:37:53 -0400 From: "Pardoz" <pardoz@io.com> Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Robert Adams' Horseclans On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:43:22 -0600, Dave Roberts wrote: >All of my Horseclans books are packed away, along with quite a few of my >paperbacks...I guess you can never have enough bookshelf space, but I dug >out the second one, Swords of the Horseclans, because of what I remembered >of the author's preface, which I have entered below. [snip] > Nor will you find much moralization, since I strongly feel that >too many of today's fictional offerings are less books, to be read and >enjoyed, than they are soapboxes, from which their authors feel free to >preach and preach and preach, ad nauseum. > > HORSECLANS books are escapist literature, pure and simple. They >are conceived and written expressly for the enjoyment of you, the reader, >for your pleasure and relaxation, not to make points for my own particular >politico-sociologico-economico-ethnico-religious views. > >I always thought that that was refreshing, especially because of all the >hacks who think that because they can string one word after another and get >paid for it they should be able to tell the rest of us how to live... It's also quite ironic, given that he went off the deep end later in the series, turning them into 90% politico-sociologico-economico-ethnico-religious soapboxing... >The Horseclans books always had great covers, Agreed. Pity Glen hasn't had as much luck with his covers. - -- ABSURDITY, n. A statement or belief manifestly inconsistent with one's own opinion. ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 17:26:40 EST From: BaronetCorvu@cs.com Subject: Future of black company: Was Re: (glencook-fans) Robert Adams' Horseclans ><< But tales of the Domination or of the early stages of > the Lady's resurgence could also be intriguing. > >> > >Oh, I think that's a story that's just dying to be told. :) Part of me would like to see this also, and part of me also thinks that this would also be de-romanticizing, like with One-Eye and Tom Tom's background. Think about the mystery of the third female taken. Each of us has his or her own private belief as to whether it is Nightcrawler, Moonbiter, or even the Faceless. Knowing which she is would be something of a letdown. Mystery is good. If Croaker had known about the Lady's past he would not have written his romantic fantasies that led to his eventual destiny. I would like to know about the domination, but too much knowledge would spoil enjoyment. If Glen were to write books about the domination, I for one would hope they centered on characters that we currently know nothing about, except their names. I don't want to know why the Hanged Man was hanged, or the sordid details of the triangle between Shifter, Limper, and the woman who became Shifters staff. The realities could only be letdowns compared to the mystery of the unknown. Michael W Sweet ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>. ------------------------------ End of glencook-fans-digest V1 #93 ********************************** ======================================================================= To unsubscribe, subscribe, or access the archives of this list, visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>.