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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 07:30:30 -0800
From: "Tim McDowell" <mcdowelt@izzyspizza.com>
Subject: (glencook-fans) first thoughts on 'Soldiers live'
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Greetings all.
Well, I've finished my first read through of "Soldiers Live". Good =
Lord! What a story Mr. Cook wrote. Now to start the first re-read. I'll =
have some things to say as I go through the book and take some notes =
this time.
First off.=20
Right up front we're told something that, as far as I know, has =
not happened before in the revealed Annals of the Black Company. =
Brothers who have had a peaceful, or atleast a non-combat, death.
When I read this I was filled with a dis-belief, and had to =
re-read this several times. It filled me with a sense of fore-boding. Of =
great and possibly terrible things to come.
And I wasn't disappointed for long!
More later. Have a great day.
Tim
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all.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Well, I've finished =
my first=20
read through of "Soldiers Live". Good Lord! What a story Mr. Cook wrote. =
Now to=20
start the first re-read. I'll have some things to say as I go through =
the book=20
and take some notes this time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> First off. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> =
Right up=20
front we're told something that, as far as I know, has not happened =
before in=20
the revealed Annals of the Black Company. Brothers who have had a =
peaceful, or=20
atleast a non-combat, death.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> =
When I read=20
this I was filled with a dis-belief, and had to re-read this several =
times. It=20
filled me with a sense of fore-boding. Of great and possibly terrible =
things to=20
come.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> And I wasn't =
disappointed for=20
long!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> More later. Have a =
great=20
day.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> =20
Tim</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 20:47:00 +0100
From: "Marcin Welnicki" <szyderca@poczta.onet.pl>
Subject: Odp: (glencook-fans) first thoughts on 'Soldiers live'
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Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 4:30 PM
Subject: (glencook-fans) first thoughts on 'Soldiers live'
Greetings all.
Well, I've finished my first read through of "Soldiers Live". Good =
Lord! What a story Mr. Cook wrote. Now to start the first re-read. I'll =
have some things to say as I go through the book and take some notes =
this time.
First off.=20
Right up front we're told something that, as far as I know, =
has not happened before in the revealed Annals of the Black Company. =
Brothers who have had a peaceful, or atleast a non-combat, death.
When I read this I was filled with a dis-belief, and had to =
re-read this several times. It filled me with a sense of fore-boding. Of =
great and possibly terrible things to come.
And I wasn't disappointed for long!
More later. Have a great day.
Tim
I must say that:
S
P
O
I
L
E
R
SPOILER GODDAMMIT!
The only thing I didnt like was the the deaths of One-Eye, Murgen, Doj =
etc. were very irrelevant. It was written for example "Murgen didnt make =
it" and thats all! He was one of the major characters and deserved an =
honorable death. And am I missing something? He did the same in the =
Dread Empire in "All Darkness Met". I ask you WHY?
Mocker
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<A href=3D"mailto:mcdowelt@izzyspizza.com" =
title=3Dmcdowelt@izzyspizza.com>Tim=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial ce"><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com"=20
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title=3Dglencook-fans@lists.xmission.com>glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com=
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial ce"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, November 13, =
2000 4:30=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial ce"><B>Subject:</B> (glencook-fans) =
first=20
thoughts on 'Soldiers live'</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Greetings =
all.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Well, I've =
finished my first=20
read through of "Soldiers Live". Good Lord! What a story Mr. Cook =
wrote. Now=20
to start the first re-read. I'll have some things to say as I go =
through the=20
book and take some notes this time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> First off. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> =
Right up=20
front we're told something that, as far as I know, has not happened =
before in=20
the revealed Annals of the Black Company. Brothers who have had a =
peaceful, or=20
atleast a non-combat, death.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> =
When I read=20
this I was filled with a dis-belief, and had to re-read this several =
times. It=20
filled me with a sense of fore-boding. Of great and possibly terrible =
things=20
to come.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> And I wasn't =
disappointed for=20
long!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> More later. Have a =
great=20
day.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> =
Tim</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2> I must say=20
that:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>S</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>P</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>O</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>I</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>L</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>E</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>R</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>SPOILER GODDAMMIT!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2>The only thing I didnt like was =
the the=20
deaths of One-Eye, Murgen, Doj etc. were very irrelevant. It was =
written for=20
example "Murgen didnt make it" and thats all! He was one of the major=20
characters and deserved an honorable death. And am I missing =
something? He did=20
the same in the Dread Empire in "All Darkness Met". I ask you=20
WHY?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial CE" size=3D2> Mocker</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 16:27:11 -0600
From: Stacey Harris <harrissg@SLU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Odp: (glencook-fans) SPOILER on Soldiers Live
Mocker,
Spoiler Space
.
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',
',
',
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You ask, with respect to the various off-stage deaths, "Why?"
I think, to write Finis to the Annals. To say, "That's all, goddammit!
It's over." That is how I read it. And when I asked Glen if I was
correct in reading it as the intended End, he said I was.
But he also said he expects to be persuaded to write more--just not in
the same (almost) linear tradition of the books we currently have.
Steve
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:25:55 -0600
From: John Chick <chick@uiuc.edu>
Subject: (glencook-fans) New to the list
Hey all. I'm new to the list, so forgive me for asking something that
probably has been hashed over quite a bit. Is Steve correct in that Cook
is not planning to write anymore Black Company (regardless of timeline)
books in the future? This could break my heart - then again, maybe he's
got something better in the works.
Stacey Harris wrote:
> Mocker,
>
> Spoiler Space
> .
> \.
> .
> .
> ;
> ;
> ,.
> ',
> ',
> ',
> ',
> ',
> ',
> ;',
> ;,
> ;',
> ;',
> ;',
>
> '
> ;
> ',
>
> You ask, with respect to the various off-stage deaths, "Why?"
>
> I think, to write Finis to the Annals. To say, "That's all, goddammit!
> It's over." That is how I read it. And when I asked Glen if I was
> correct in reading it as the intended End, he said I was.
>
> But he also said he expects to be persuaded to write more--just not in
> the same (almost) linear tradition of the books we currently have.
>
> Steve
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 18:10:06 -0600
From: Stacey Harris <harrissg@SLU.EDU>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) New to the list
John,
"Is Steve correct in that Cook
is not planning to write anymore Black Company (regardless of timeline)
books in the future?"
Glen is currently finishing up a years-long project: a non-fantasy,
non-SF crime thriller (set in the very near future). Although he
intended Soldiers Live to be the capstone of the Black Company saga, he
expects to be persuaded to continue with BC books in some form, such as
in the past or alternate universes. That was the gist of a conversation
I had with him at Archon a couple months ago.
Steve
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 19:26:34 -0500
From: "C.L. Yona" <junkboy@cyberwhirled.com>
Subject: Re: Odp: (glencook-fans) first thoughts on 'Soldiers live'
> S P O I L E R SPOILER
> GODDAMMIT! The only thing I didnt like was the the
> deaths of One-Eye, Murgen, Doj etc. were very irrelevant. It
> was written for example "Murgen didnt make it" and thats
> all! He was one of the major characters and deserved an
> honorable death. And am I missing something? He did the same
> in the Dread Empire in "All Darkness Met". I ask you
> WHY? Mocker
>
Because people die in stupid ways, and just because they were major
characters doesn't mean they get glorious deaths. It's just the gritty
realism that Cook is renowned for. Think of some of the great military
figures of the past and how they died - Alexander the Great? Malaria, I
believe. General Patton? Jeep accident. I've always admired Cook
because he refuses to pander to his readers - they're HIS characters,
and he's the omnipotent one.
But that's just my two groats. Hell, who didn't want One-Eye and Goblin
to live forever?
yer dog
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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 01:59:44 -0500 (EST)
From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew)
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) New to the list
>
>"Is Steve correct in that Cook
>is not planning to write anymore Black Company (regardless of timeline)
>books in the future?"
>
>Glen is currently finishing up a years-long project: a non-fantasy,
>non-SF crime thriller (set in the very near future). Although he
>intended Soldiers Live to be the capstone of the Black Company saga, he
>expects to be persuaded to continue with BC books in some form, such as
>in the past or alternate universes. That was the gist of a conversation
>I had with him at Archon a couple months ago.
>
Yes, he said about the same thing to me at Albacon. He might
not get back to the Black Company universe right away but I think he'll
eventually return in one form or another.
Steve
- --
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Christmas bonus, is it?"
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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 10:12:27 +0100
From: Lazarus Retsat <lazarus@catv.retsat1.com.pl>
Subject: Re[2]: Odp: (glencook-fans) first thoughts on 'Soldiers live'
Hello,
CLY> Because people die in stupid ways, and just because they were major
CLY> characters doesn't mean they get glorious deaths. It's just the gritty
CLY> realism that Cook is renowned for. Think of some of the great military
CLY> figures of the past and how they died - Alexander the Great? Malaria, I
CLY> believe. General Patton? Jeep accident. I've always admired Cook
CLY> because he refuses to pander to his readers - they're HIS characters,
CLY> and he's the omnipotent one.
CLY> But that's just my two groats. Hell, who didn't want One-Eye and Goblin
CLY> to live forever?
Yes,you're right.I think the most stupid thing taht occur in many
movies ,books etc is some glorious death of major characters.I hate i
this when some guy wait with his death only to say some important.You
know some like"Son i always loved u " or "The treasure is in
...grrrrr(he died)".Cook provides very realistic look on this when
major character can fall from ladder and die for example:).This is
great and what makes Cook so original.
Greets
Lazarus mailto:lazarus@catv.retsat1.com.pl
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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 14:13:47 +0100
From: "Marcin Welnicki" <szyderca@poczta.onet.pl>
Subject: Odp: Odp: (glencook-fans) SPOILER on Soldiers Live
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From: Stacey Harris <harrissg@SLU.EDU>
To: <glencook-fans@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 11:27 PM
Subject: Re: Odp: (glencook-fans) SPOILER on Soldiers Live
> Mocker,
>
> Spoiler Space
> .
> \.
> .
> .
> ;
> ;
> ,.
> ',
> ',
> ',
> ',
> ',
> ',
> ;',
> ;,
> ;',
> ;',
> ;',
>
> '
> ;
> ',
>
> You ask, with respect to the various off-stage deaths, "Why?"
>
> I think, to write Finis to the Annals. To say, "That's all, goddammit!
> It's over." That is how I read it. And when I asked Glen if I was
> correct in reading it as the intended End, he said I was.
>
> But he also said he expects to be persuaded to write more--just not in
> the same (almost) linear tradition of the books we currently have.
>
> Steve
>
> I agree with you, but aren't those deaths a contradiction to what they
were fighting for? It's like they fought for nothing, because even if they
won there wasn't anyone to celebrate;). Or maybe the Deciever saying is
right: Darkness always comes...
Mocker
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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 10:04:04 -0500
From: Jay DeSimone <jdesimon1@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Odp: (glencook-fans) first thoughts on 'Soldiers live'
Nope. Syphillis.
Jay
"C.L. Yona" wrote:
> . Think of some of the great military
> figures of the past and how they died - Alexander the Great? Malaria, I
> believe.
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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:29:38 +0100
From: "Marcin Welnicki" <szyderca@poczta.onet.pl>
Subject: Odp: Odp: (glencook-fans) first thoughts on 'Soldiers live'
>
> Nope. Syphillis.
>
> Jay
>
Hehehe. Noughty boy that Alexander :)))))))))
Mocker
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