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glencook-fans-digest     Friday, October 13 2000     Volume 01 : Number 044




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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:47:50 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (glencook-fans) Tonk question...

Greetings!

I don't know where else to go with this question, so I'll appeal to the
masses :)

Some friends and I are getting together tomorrow night for a 'Tonk' night,
and we plan to play using the John P. Speno rules.

One question that I didn't see addressed in the rules he put out:  What do
you do if you run out of draw cards?  Do you reshuffle the discard pile and
continue playing?  Do you declare the hand void and start over with the next
dealer?

What happens?

Danny Potts
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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:37:59 -0500
From: "PrimalChrome \(E-mail\)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Tonk question...

Never seen a game run out of cards.  Usually someone goes down after only a
few rounds.  If it does go all the way through the deck, I think you shuffle
the discards except for the top card and continue.

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Greetings!

I don't know where else to go with this question, so I'll appeal to the
masses :)

Some friends and I are getting together tomorrow night for a 'Tonk' night,
and we plan to play using the John P. Speno rules.

One question that I didn't see addressed in the rules he put out:  What do
you do if you run out of draw cards?  Do you reshuffle the discard pile and
continue playing?  Do you declare the hand void and start over with the next
dealer?

What happens?

Danny Potts
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:39:49 -0400
From: "Rohrer, Mike" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (glencook-fans) Source of Kina and Deceivers for Cook

Not sure if this has been brought up before, but came across this info today
and appears to be the basis of  Kina and the Deceivers...just thought I
would share.


Kali (feminine form of Sanskrit kala,"time" or "dark"), consort of the Hindu
god Shiva in her manifestation of the power of time. A destructive mother
goddess, Kali is frequently depicted as a black, laughing, naked hag with
blood-stained teeth, a protruding tongue, and a garland of human skulls. She
usually has four arms: One hand holds a sword, the second holds a severed
human head, the third is believed by her devotees to be removing fear, and
the fourth is often interpreted as granting bliss. Kali-omnipotent,
absolute, and all-pervasive-is beyond fear and finite existence and is
therefore believed to be able to protect her devotees against fear and to
give them limitless peace. Finally, as absolute night, devouring all that
exists, she is sometimes depicted as standing on the corpse of Shiva, which,
like the garland of skulls, symbolizes the remains of finite existence.
Kali's worshipers purportedly appeased her in the past with human
sacrifices; today she is propitiated with the blood of mammals. Under the
title Bhavani, she was invoked by the secret brotherhood of murderers called
Thugs. The city of Calcutta (now Kolkata) received its name from Kali;
Calcutta is the Anglicized form of Kalighata, the name of a large temple
dedicated to Kali.

Thugs (from Sanskrit sthag,"conceal" or "deceive"), former secret
organization of robbers in India, who always strangled their victims.
Devotees of the goddess Kali, they regarded their activities as religious
rituals; new members were initiated in an elaborate ceremony, and they
worshiped, as a symbol of the goddess, the pickax with which they dug the
graves of their victims. Included in their ranks were many Brahmins and
respectable businessmen. In October, they would meet in bands of from 10 to
200 and set out on the highways, where they would set upon wealthy
travelers, strangle them with a cloth, distribute the booty, and flee. A
portion of the booty was always presented as an offering to the goddess in
one of her temples. Thugs arose in northern India before the Muslim conquest
in the 12th century AD and thrived, with extraordinary immunity from
prosecution under Hindu law, until 1829, when Lord William Bentinck, the
British governor-general of India, began to investigate the organization,
perhaps because of thugee activity directed against British soldiers and
government officials. The campaign against the Thugs, directed by Sir W. H.
Sleeman, was remarkably successful. Within seven years more than 3000 of
them had been imprisoned or hanged, and the Thugs were wiped out.



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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:49:36 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) Source of Kina and Deceivers for Cook

well I do remember reading something somewhere that he was influenced by the
whole middle eastern culture while writing the books of the south.
Alternately he was interested in the whole european culture during the
middle ages and such during the writing of the books of the north.

So I would figure that yes, the real life kina and "deceivers" porbably did
influence the ficticious version in the books.

nick


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From: Rohrer, Mike [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:40 PM
To: Glencook-Fans (E-mail)
Subject: (glencook-fans) Source of Kina and Deceivers for Cook


Not sure if this has been brought up before, but came across this info today
and appears to be the basis of  Kina and the Deceivers...just thought I
would share.


Kali (feminine form of Sanskrit kala,"time" or "dark"), consort of the Hindu
god Shiva in her manifestation of the power of time. A destructive mother
goddess, Kali is frequently depicted as a black, laughing, naked hag with
blood-stained teeth, a protruding tongue, and a garland of human skulls. She
usually has four arms: One hand holds a sword, the second holds a severed
human head, the third is believed by her devotees to be removing fear, and
the fourth is often interpreted as granting bliss. Kali-omnipotent,
absolute, and all-pervasive-is beyond fear and finite existence and is
therefore believed to be able to protect her devotees against fear and to
give them limitless peace. Finally, as absolute night, devouring all that
exists, she is sometimes depicted as standing on the corpse of Shiva, which,
like the garland of skulls, symbolizes the remains of finite existence.
Kali's worshipers purportedly appeased her in the past with human
sacrifices; today she is propitiated with the blood of mammals. Under the
title Bhavani, she was invoked by the secret brotherhood of murderers called
Thugs. The city of Calcutta (now Kolkata) received its name from Kali;
Calcutta is the Anglicized form of Kalighata, the name of a large temple
dedicated to Kali.

Thugs (from Sanskrit sthag,"conceal" or "deceive"), former secret
organization of robbers in India, who always strangled their victims.
Devotees of the goddess Kali, they regarded their activities as religious
rituals; new members were initiated in an elaborate ceremony, and they
worshiped, as a symbol of the goddess, the pickax with which they dug the
graves of their victims. Included in their ranks were many Brahmins and
respectable businessmen. In October, they would meet in bands of from 10 to
200 and set out on the highways, where they would set upon wealthy
travelers, strangle them with a cloth, distribute the booty, and flee. A
portion of the booty was always presented as an offering to the goddess in
one of her temples. Thugs arose in northern India before the Muslim conquest
in the 12th century AD and thrived, with extraordinary immunity from
prosecution under Hindu law, until 1829, when Lord William Bentinck, the
British governor-general of India, began to investigate the organization,
perhaps because of thugee activity directed against British soldiers and
government officials. The campaign against the Thugs, directed by Sir W. H.
Sleeman, was remarkably successful. Within seven years more than 3000 of
them had been imprisoned or hanged, and the Thugs were wiped out.



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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:53:21 -0400
From: "Joshua Peery" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Source of Kina and Deceivers for Cook

There was a movie with Pierce Brosnan (sp?)  that dealt with the Thugee cult
and so on.. I dont recall the name of it.. but also Indiana Jones and the
Temple of Doom had Thugees too and a big Kali idol.


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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:33:00 -0500
From: David Chisholm <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Source of Kina and Deceivers for Cook

Was the Brosnan movie called 'The Decievers'?  See
http://us.imdb.com/Title?0094979.
David

Joshua Peery wrote:
>
> There was a movie with Pierce Brosnan (sp?)  that dealt with the Thugee cult
> and so on.. I dont recall the name of it.. but also Indiana Jones and the
> Temple of Doom had Thugees too and a big Kali idol.
>
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Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:46:49 -0700
From: "Tim McDowell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (glencook-fans) 'new' books from the Science fiction book club

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    This is just a little note to give you some information.

    I received the current Sci. Fi. book club catalog yesterday and it =
offers the 'Annals of the Black Company' (The Black Company, Shadows =
Linger and The White Rose). Also listed are 'Glittering Stone: Vol. 1 =
(Bleak Season and She is the Darkness) and 'Glittering Stone: Vol. 2 =
(Water Sleeps and Soldiers Live).

    Happy reading and have a good weekend.
        Tim


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Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:15:10 -0700
From: "Darin McGee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) 'new' books from the Science fiction book club

 What happened to the books of the south?  Aren't they sort of neccessary to make the timeline complete?  Who runs the SFBC anyway? :P

Darin
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On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:46:49
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>    Greetings all;
>
>    This is just a little note to give you some information.
>
>    I received the current Sci. Fi. book club catalog yesterday and it offers the 'Annals of the Black Company' (The Black Company, Shadows Linger and The White Rose). Also listed are 'Glittering Stone: Vol. 1 (Bleak Season and She is the Darkness) and 'Glittering Stone: Vol. 2 (Water Sleeps and Soldiers Live).
>
>    Happy reading and have a good weekend.
>        Tim
>
>


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