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glencook-fans-digest   Wednesday, September 20 2000   Volume 01 : Number 036




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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:19:07 GMT
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Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) BC threads that should have been wrapped up SPoilers

>I was thinking to myself. What old issues were left unresolved at the
>apparent end of tBC. Do you all remember when one of the wizards (Goblin or

>One Eye) mentioned that they didn't know what Kina was but they were pretty

>sure that the facade portrayed was not her real physical aspect. I got the

>feeling she was more of some Bad Ass left over from the plains' history that

>got shafted and imprisoned. Kind of like the thing under Old Father Tree. I

>would like to know what she really was. I don't by the goddess bit. The rest

>of the books clung too much to the belief that religion was for the
>disillusioned.

I think that the term "God" in BC is used to describe a lot more beings than
it is in our world.  To us, a God is a diety that exists outside of our normal
time and space, and has absolute control over our existence.  (Your religion
may vary).

I think in BC, it's more along the lines of the old Greek/Roman gods, who were
powerful beings that lived on our plane of existance, but could go to other
planes and who had tremendous power.

Along those lines, I think Kina was a Goddess in that she was a being of immense
power.  Obviously she wasn't a true "Goddess" in the "all-powerful being" sense
of the word, or she'd never have been captured and put to sleep.  Croaker even
speculates that Kina may have just been a very powerful monster.  Which I think
is more to the truth of what she was.

The whole concept of religion in BC, however, seems to match what we have in
our world.  It's a belief system.  Since most of us here are probably most familiar
with Christian/Catholic viewpoints, we tend to view religion as "belief in God".
 But in other parts of the world, they don't necessarily have the same concept
of "God" as Christians and Catholics do.  I'm no religion expert, but from what
I remember, Buddah is not a god.  And the religions that stem from the teachings
of Buddah are designed more around the following of these teachings rather than
the more specific "belief in Buddah."  The Nyueng Bao seem very much to reflect
the many-dietied Hindu religion of our own world (which is one of the things
that leads me to my belief that our world is one of those on the other side
of a non-working Shadowgate...but that's a different discussion altogether).
 And the people of Juniper didn't seem to believe so much in a diety as in the
preservation of the dead for passage into another life.  I don't recal reading
about a specific being that was supposed to take them there.  Then again, the
nature of the BC series makes it impossible to know everything about any group
of people.  Only what Croaker (or whatever Analyst) tells us.


SPOILERS
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>I did like that Taglios got hammered at the end. I think I speak for a great

>majority when I say there was nothing redeeming about that city.

I think one of the reasons that we can have that impression is because it was
so foreign to Croaker and he was writing from his own impressions.  Sleepy,
in her writings, seemed to have much more respect for the city.  And obviously
Mogaba did, too, or he wouldn't have made the grand sacrifice he did at the
end (I'm still unsure what I think of that, though.  On the one hand, he had
to know he wouldn't get away.  On the other hand, there were more honorable
ways he could have chosen to get himself killed).

At any rate, Taglios was the home of everybody who lived there.  And that's
enough of a redeeming value for them.

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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:20:00 -0000
From: "Joseph McGrath" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) BC threads that should have been wrapped up SPoilers

 Croaker get's to be Shivetya, so he can live all the things that happened
on the plain throughout history and then he can put it all in some annalists
head to write down... Things will get wrapped up. I just want to know what's
on the other side of, "Every Shadowgate."
What's the scoop with Khatovar, why the Nef  want to warn them. It's
probably some bad ass deity that has it in for any of the lost companies.
Cook borrowed a great deal from Hindu worship and Asian worship which is
fine by me. It's a good way to educate cross culturally. Practises such as
Suttee, not spilling blood when killing, even Ganesha the elephant goddess
with her infinite compassion, (circa, "Abhu," from the Simpson's). The Kef
Sidhe strangler cult was the same thing in Old Tin Sorrows. I thought that
was one of his best, that and Sweet Silver Blues. I know he's borrowed a-lot
from Raymond Chandler and I've read everything he's written because of Cook.
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Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) BC threads that should have been wrapped up
SPoilers


> >I was thinking to myself. What old issues were left unresolved at the
> >apparent end of tBC. Do you all remember when one of the wizards (Goblin
or
>
> >One Eye) mentioned that they didn't know what Kina was but they were
pretty
>
> >sure that the facade portrayed was not her real physical aspect. I got
the
>
> >feeling she was more of some Bad Ass left over from the plains' history
that
>
> >got shafted and imprisoned. Kind of like the thing under Old Father Tree.
I
>
> >would like to know what she really was. I don't by the goddess bit. The
rest
>
> >of the books clung too much to the belief that religion was for the
> >disillusioned.
>
> I think that the term "God" in BC is used to describe a lot more beings
than
> it is in our world.  To us, a God is a diety that exists outside of our
normal
> time and space, and has absolute control over our existence.  (Your
religion
> may vary).
>
> I think in BC, it's more along the lines of the old Greek/Roman gods, who
were
> powerful beings that lived on our plane of existance, but could go to
other
> planes and who had tremendous power.
>
> Along those lines, I think Kina was a Goddess in that she was a being of
immense
> power.  Obviously she wasn't a true "Goddess" in the "all-powerful being"
sense
> of the word, or she'd never have been captured and put to sleep.  Croaker
even
> speculates that Kina may have just been a very powerful monster.  Which I
think
> is more to the truth of what she was.
>
> The whole concept of religion in BC, however, seems to match what we have
in
> our world.  It's a belief system.  Since most of us here are probably most
familiar
> with Christian/Catholic viewpoints, we tend to view religion as "belief in
God".
>  But in other parts of the world, they don't necessarily have the same
concept
> of "God" as Christians and Catholics do.  I'm no religion expert, but from
what
> I remember, Buddah is not a god.  And the religions that stem from the
teachings
> of Buddah are designed more around the following of these teachings rather
than
> the more specific "belief in Buddah."  The Nyueng Bao seem very much to
reflect
> the many-dietied Hindu religion of our own world (which is one of the
things
> that leads me to my belief that our world is one of those on the other
side
> of a non-working Shadowgate...but that's a different discussion
altogether).
>  And the people of Juniper didn't seem to believe so much in a diety as in
the
> preservation of the dead for passage into another life.  I don't recal
reading
> about a specific being that was supposed to take them there.  Then again,
the
> nature of the BC series makes it impossible to know everything about any
group
> of people.  Only what Croaker (or whatever Analyst) tells us.
>
>
> SPOILERS
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> >I did like that Taglios got hammered at the end. I think I speak for a
great
>
> >majority when I say there was nothing redeeming about that city.
>
> I think one of the reasons that we can have that impression is because it
was
> so foreign to Croaker and he was writing from his own impressions.
Sleepy,
> in her writings, seemed to have much more respect for the city.  And
obviously
> Mogaba did, too, or he wouldn't have made the grand sacrifice he did at
the
> end (I'm still unsure what I think of that, though.  On the one hand, he
had
> to know he wouldn't get away.  On the other hand, there were more
honorable
> ways he could have chosen to get himself killed).
>
> At any rate, Taglios was the home of everybody who lived there.  And
that's
> enough of a redeeming value for them.
>
> =======================================================================
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>  visit <http://www.xmission.com/~shpshftr/GC/GC-Mail.html>.


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