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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:12:51 -0700
From: "Jesse L. Reynolds" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) OT: Demographics

    Well, I am 30 as well, male, single, no pets, living in Southern California,
USA, software developer at a small game company.  I've been out here for just
over six years...
    I'm sorry to say that I only started seriously reading Cook about a year
ago.  Friends of mine back in the midwest (Ames, Iowa) had urged me to read him
about 10 years ago, and I picked up the first book and read it, but I didn't get
around to the full series until recently (too much to read, to much to do, and
had trouble finding the rest of the series :) ).  On the plus side, I was able to
read fairly non-stop for a while once I *did* start in on it again.  I've read
the entire Black Company series (just finished Soldiers Live), but nothing else
of his so far.  I've started scouring my local used bookstores, however, and have
picked up a few that are on my "To-Read" stack, including "Tower of Fear",
"Swordbearer" (?), and "Reap the East Wind" (though I realize that some of the
things I am finding may be mid-series  :( ).
    As with many on this list, I had trouble tracking what was going on when
Murgen took over as Annalist (what with jumping around so much), but I actually
enjoyed many of the books after it as much as the first ones.  I enjoyed the
changes and growth in the characters.  I re-read the first five books while
waiting for Soldiers Live, and then got too busy to read the latter until this
past weekend.
     I saw Star Wars at a theater in Topeka, Kansas, but only once when it first
came out (at least, that I can remember).  I saw it about 4 times after that when
it came through again in later years, most of those at drive-in theaters.  I
distinctly remember seeing a commercial for Star Wars on TV, and wondering what
in the world it was, especially the large furry creature.  ;)
    Speaking of drive-in theaters, I also remember seeing LaserBurn (LaserBlast?)
with Battle Beyond the Stars at around the same point in my life.  Boy, that
seems like a long time ago.
    When I think of how I could have been reading Cook years ago, I wonder what
else I am missing out on.  :)

        -Jesse R.


[e-mail] wrote:

> So I am 30, male, single, make around $25,000, live in the midwest (US for
> those...),
> been reading Cook for two years, but I get the feeling that I am probably one
> of the
> oldest people on this list. While my sex insures that I am with the majority,
> I somehow
> get an impression few of those out there are employed fulltime or are as old
> as me
> (somehow I have no problem reconciling singleness with being a Cook reader).
> Anyway,
> just wondering how many others are in my demographic.
>
> christopher....
>
> p.s. if your weren't old enough to see Star Wars in the theater the first
> time you're
> not in the demographic.
>
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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:17:59 -0500 (CDT)
From: Changeling <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) OT: Demographics

Male, 27, Computer technician in Boston MA.

I first encountered Glen in the form of the Black Company when my roomate
skipped out of town in the middle of the night and left the majority of
his stuff behind. (Including his car, his CD collection, his gaming books,
his comic books (including a full run of the Sandman series), and most of
his books.)
I read the Black Company and then found out that I'd been talking to Glen
for a couple years at ICon in Iowa City.
Imagine my shock...

- -Changeling


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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 15:27:37 -0400
From: "Timothy P. Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) OT: Demographics

37, Male, Married with 2 children, 2 cats and 5 goldfish.  Work in the
Hi-Tech industry (currently doing QA) Live in Massachusetts just outside of
Boston.  born in Plymouth,MA was living on Cape cod when star Wars hit the
theatres...Saw it about 6 times in the original release including twice in
the drive-in.  Started Reading Cook in 1984 while in the service, I read BC
and then spent two years trying to find the others...which occured in
WorldCon Atlanta, 1986.  While rummaging through the dealers room I remarked
to a friend of mine it seemed to be taking Cook an awfully long time to
finish the sequels, whereby Glen Cook himself reached over the counter with
Shadows Linger and the White Rose.  (Yes, I had Mr. cook sign them, yes I
still have them, nope, not for sale)

    On a side note, I was extremely fortunete to be at World Science Fiction
convention in Anaheim, CA in 1984 when for the VERY FIRST TIME all three of
the star wars movies were shown back to back to back.

Woo-Hoo.

Timothy Taylor



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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:40:18 -0600
From: Eric Herrmann <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) The Dragon Never Sleeps (spoilers)

on 9/9/00 6:00 PM, Tyler Fain at [e-mail] wrote:

> I finished this novel a few days ago and was just wondering why some of you
> felt it was Cook's best book? I certainly enjoyed it, but to me the ending was
> a bit of a letdown. One of my favorite scenes was the first big battle between
> Simon's powerful ship and the three Guardships. And it seemed like there
> always something going around somebody else's back throughout the novel. There
> were many interesting characters such as Jo Klass, Simon Provik, and Kez
> Maefele as well. I'm not a big SF fan only read some Bradbury and Dune. Bought
> it off abebooks.com for $12.

What ending did you want? The bad guys lost and _all_ the good guys won and
lived to fight another day.

Why do I think Dragon is his best book?

Dragon is a masterpiece of brevity and density. There isn't a wasted or
extra word in the entire 422 pages. Glen spent 7 years crafting this book
and it shows.

I've read Dragon more times than Black Company. Each time I find new meaning
and understanding to passages and phrases. Glen doesn't spell it out in a
long meandering narrative of detail. There is enough story in here for 5
books and I think a very good movie.

(I believe Steve Harris tried to start a thread on cleverness of
characters.)

Dragon is full of clever characters. Most are too clever for their own good
and usually find the limit to their cleverness. It seems every character has
a secret that gives them power, the source of their cleverness, and each
character has a weakness.

I liked how the characters interacted with each other. Yes they were a bunch
of back-stabbing theives that even the Taken would be jealous of. But unlike
the Taken, they each were fleshed out with personality and motivation.

It doesn't get any better than this.

- --
Eric Herrmann
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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:42:26 -0700
From: Aaron Contreras <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) OT: Demographics

Name: Aaron Contreras
Age: 23 - which means I saw Star Wars in the theatre both inside and outside
of the womb -
Employment: I work for a game company in Seattle, WA as a QA Tester.

Cook: Been reading him only for the past two or three years.  A friend of
mine who knew I liked dark fantasy recommended the Black Company and gave me
the first in the series.  A week later I had read all the way up to She Is
The Darkness, I believe.  My favorites are the first (of course), She is the
Darkness and whichever book has Murgen in Dejagore (Bleak Seasons?).  Read
them all so fast they are blurred together in my head.

Cook fascinates me for many of the same reasons Zelazny does...he is a good
writer with absolutely amazing ideas who makes (in my opinion) huge mistakes
with his plots...the most obvious example being whacking most of the Taken
in the first book, as well as most of Soldier's Live, IMHO.  It is this
sense of, "If he'd only...!" mixed with the unpredictable swerves and very
realistic fortunes (good and ill) that really make Cook's work memorable for
me.

Regards,

Aaron Contreras


[e-mail] wrote:

> So I am 30, male, single, make around $25,000, live in the midwest (US for
> those...),
> been reading Cook for two years, but I get the feeling that I am probably
one
> of the
> oldest people on this list. While my sex insures that I am with the
majority,
> I somehow
> get an impression few of those out there are employed fulltime or are as
old
> as me
> (somehow I have no problem reconciling singleness with being a Cook
reader).
> Anyway,
> just wondering how many others are in my demographic.
>
> christopher....
>
> p.s. if your weren't old enough to see Star Wars in the theater the first
> time you're
> not in the demographic.
>
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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:50:32 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) The Dragon Never Sleeps (spoilers)

In a message dated 9/12/00 2:40:53 PM, [e-mail] writes:

>Dragon is a masterpiece of brevity and density. There isn't a wasted or
>extra word in the entire 422 pages. Glen spent 7 years crafting this book
>and it shows.

This is the next Cook book I am reading. We still thinking of doing a "book
club?" We seem to have somewhat closed the SL threads. Do enough others
have this book and have a desire to read or reread it?

I'm sitting in the enviable position of having dozen of good books in my too
read stack, so I can hold off for awhile.

christopher....


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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:50:30 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) OT: Demographics

In a message dated 9/12/00 2:12:04 PM, [e-mail] writes:

>  I'm sorry to say that I only started seriously reading Cook about a year
>ago.  Friends of mine back in the midwest (Ames, Iowa)

So I work in Ames. :)

Live in Slater.

christopher....


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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:10:26 -0600
From: Eric Herrmann <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) The Dragon Never Sleeps (spoilers)

on 9/12/00 4:50 PM, [e-mail] at [e-mail] wrote:

> This is the next Cook book I am reading. We still thinking of doing a "book
> club?" We seem to have somewhat closed the SL threads. Do enough others
> have this book and have a desire to read or reread it?

Yes, I've still been thinking of doing the "book club". However I'd been
thinking that the first book would be the first book, "The Heirs of
Babylon". But it's not set in stone.

Dragon is a book worth rereading anyway.

How long do we need to give people to obtain and read it?

Can we start discussion October 1? That gives about 3 weeks.

- --
Eric Herrmann
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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:44:30 -0500
From: "David George" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) The Dragon Never Sleeps (spoilers)

Just reread it myself, before SL arrived, so Oct. 1 is plenty of time for
me.  Is this book hard to find?  I saw plenty around when it was in print
but I have not seen another since.  Shame, too, because mine is a bit
dogeared.  I figure the average paperback is good for about 10 reads if well
cared for, gradually decreasing over time as the paper and glue get brittle.
That means my copy has about 2 or 3 reads left.  boohoo.


- ----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Herrmann <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) The Dragon Never Sleeps (spoilers)


> on 9/12/00 4:50 PM, [e-mail] at [e-mail] wrote:
>
> > This is the next Cook book I am reading. We still thinking of doing a
"book
> > club?" We seem to have somewhat closed the SL threads. Do enough others
> > have this book and have a desire to read or reread it?
>
> Yes, I've still been thinking of doing the "book club". However I'd been
> thinking that the first book would be the first book, "The Heirs of
> Babylon". But it's not set in stone.
>
> Dragon is a book worth rereading anyway.
>
> How long do we need to give people to obtain and read it?
>
> Can we start discussion October 1? That gives about 3 weeks.
>
> --
> Eric Herrmann
> <[e-mail]>
>
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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:06:02 -0600
From: "Amy Weathers" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) The Dragon Never Sleeps (spoilers)

Never read it and it isn't at any of the used book store in my area.  I
added it to my hold list though.

Maybe I should look on-line -peer-

Amy

>


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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:23:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Craig Dutton <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) OT: Demographics

Male, 30, Library technician.

First read Glen Cook around 1986, which would have been either Annals of the
Black Company (the 3-in-1 book club edition) or Shadowline, both courtesy of my
local library.

I have about one and a half converts... Mirko (who I've seen is here) is the
full; the half is someone who got hooked between myself and a group of
friends/associates that had a paintball team with a BC motif, complete with
Soulcatcher-style unit patch.  They got him hooked to BC, I hooked him on the
Dread Empire.






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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:34:06 -0500
From: "S. Townsend" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) The Dragon Never Sleeps (spoilers)

I've read it four times now, twice in the first week of it's publication.  I
learn some new reason to love it each time.  I'll reread it again for a good
cause...



Eric Herrmann wrote:

> on 9/12/00 4:50 PM, [e-mail] at [e-mail] wrote:
>
> > This is the next Cook book I am reading. We still thinking of doing a "book
> > club?" We seem to have somewhat closed the SL threads. Do enough others
> > have this book and have a desire to read or reread it?
>
> Yes, I've still been thinking of doing the "book club". However I'd been
> thinking that the first book would be the first book, "The Heirs of
> Babylon". But it's not set in stone.
>
> Dragon is a book worth rereading anyway.
>
> How long do we need to give people to obtain and read it?
>
> Can we start discussion October 1? That gives about 3 weeks.
>
> --
> Eric Herrmann
> <[e-mail]>
>
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Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:35:00 -0400
From: "Rohrer, Mike" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) OT: Demographics

Male, 28, working as NT Admin at Compaq Computer Inc.  Currently living in
Ohio (not recommended), but was born in Wisconsin and went to college at
University of Minnesota in Minneapolis where I studied Aerospace
Engineering.  My brother tried getting me to read the Black Company series
about 10 years ago, but only started reading Cook this past January.  Took
me a little while to get used to Cook's writing style (about 1/4 of the way
through Black Company), but once I did I was seriously hooked. Finished the
whole series by the end of April and had to wait an agonizing 4 months for
Soldiers Live.  Haven't read any of the Dread Empire books, but will
probably start looking for them soon enough.  And I did see Star Wars in the
theater when it first came out, and actually remember it.

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2000 1:11 AM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: (glencook-fans) OT: Demographics


So I am 30, male, single, make around $25,000, live in the midwest (US for
those...),
been reading Cook for two years, but I get the feeling that I am probably
one
of the
oldest people on this list. While my sex insures that I am with the
majority,
I somehow
get an impression few of those out there are employed fulltime or are as old

as me
(somehow I have no problem reconciling singleness with being a Cook reader).

Anyway,
just wondering how many others are in my demographic.

christopher....

p.s. if your weren't old enough to see Star Wars in the theater the first
time you're
not in the demographic.

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Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 05:59:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Heather Kegg <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) OT: Demographics

Heather Kegg, female, 25
Research Tech in Biotechnology at Battelle Memorial
Institute in Columbus Ohio (I agree with Mike and
don't recommend living in Ohio!)
I started reading Cook - Black Company Books in 1993
after playing in a D&D game based on the books. Been
hooked ever since.



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Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:35:38 -0500
From: "Mike Ehlers" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) OT: Demographics

Mike Ehlers, male, 28
Software Development in Chicago, IL
Married, 2 cats
Started reading the BC about 2 years ago.  Took me 2 months to finish the first
book, 2 weeks to finish the rest.

Mike




From: Heather Kegg <[e-mail]> on 09/13/2000 07:59 AM

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Heather Kegg, female, 25
Research Tech in Biotechnology at Battelle Memorial
Institute in Columbus Ohio (I agree with Mike and
don't recommend living in Ohio!)
I started reading Cook - Black Company Books in 1993
after playing in a D&D game based on the books. Been
hooked ever since.



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Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:24:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Igor Filippov <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) OT: Demographics

Male, 25, Columbus, Ohio (yet again :) )

Soldiers Live did not give me the impression of the "end of it all".
It's much more like Cook is leaving the door open - to continue the series
(and I do hope he will !!!)

Maybe somebody who'll talk to him in the nearest future could ask directly
whether he's going to go on ?

On the side note - I've read "Dune" and I think it's rather lame.
"I shall rule with an eagle claw" - in some VERY cheap novels
people TALK like that, but in Dune the old duke actually THINKS like that
and I believe this is hilarious.

Goblin would make that guy pump  smoke out of his ears :)

Igor

On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Heather Kegg wrote:

> Heather Kegg, female, 25
> Research Tech in Biotechnology at Battelle Memorial
> Institute in Columbus Ohio (I agree with Mike and
> don't recommend living in Ohio!)
> I started reading Cook - Black Company Books in 1993
> after playing in a D&D game based on the books. Been
> hooked ever since.
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:02:31 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) OT: Demographics

In a message dated 9/13/00 11:29:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< Male, 25, Columbus, Ohio (yet again :) )  >>

You know, I just have three words to say to everyone complaining about
Columbus, OH :   The Book Loft!   :)

Donna, who visits Columbus fairly often (as her fiance is "ABD" at OSU) and
kinda likes it...though much prefers living in Los Angeles.  ;]

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Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:28:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Craig Dutton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (glencook-fans) Dread Empire question

Speaking of questions to ask Glen at Albacon...

Is there any plans/thoughts about re-releasing the Dread Empire books as a
3-in-1 omnibus paperback edition [as has been done for works by Bujold &
Cherryh, amongst others], to try and build (publisher) interest for further DE
books?  The apparently high online demand for those titles could help convince
a publisher.  And a bonus inclusion of some of the short fiction might create
sales amongst people who already have the novels [or alternately, the bulk of
the short fiction could be included with the prequels in a second omnibus].

Just a thought.

Craig

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