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Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 10:52:13 -700
From: Eric Herrmann <[e-mail]>
Subject: (glencook-fans) SL Croaker (Spoilers)


Before Croaker makes the deal with Shivetya he talks about how he sees
that his end is near. I wish I had the book in front of me. Is he just
talking about old age? Or that the odds are growing that he will die
in battle? or something else? It almost seemed like something else.
Did anyone else pick up on that?

Eric Herrmann
<[e-mail]>

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Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:10:51 -0600
From: Matthew Roche <[e-mail]>
Subject: (glencook-fans) Dread Empire and Planning

here's another weak message, but a request for posts is a request for
posts...

while my wife is reading soldiers live, i've been making my way through the
dread empire books. i completed my collection online a month or so ago and
saved these for last. i decided to read them in the order in which they were
written and am very glad that i did. i read through the main trilogy first,
and although it was ok, i thought it was kind of weak for cook, even for
early cook. then i read the two prequels, and just loved them. stronger
characterizations, more concrete plot (less annoying jumping around between
timelines without dates on the chapter starting pages...) and just very well
written. well, this inspired me to go back and read the trilogy before
starting the sequels, and i'm also glad i did that. now that i know the
background that the middle three books assume the trilogy is much better,
and my respect for cook as a writer is much greater. even though he wrote
the prequels years (i'm also at work so i don't have them here for
comparison) after the actual trilogy, it is so obvious that he plotted out
the entire story ahead of time. it's great.

has anyone else had the same impression? when i first started reading
glittering stone i thought 'god, doesn't he plot out what he wants to
happen? it's obvious he had no idea how this was going to end when he
started it...' although i've not yet read the end of glittering stone,
perhaps now i'll need to go back and start at the very beginning to see if
there's not something to change my mind.

comments? arguments? agreement?

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Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:10:15 -0400
From: "Timothy P. Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) SL Croaker (Spoilers)

Eric;

    I believe Croaker was referring mostly to the odds of him surviving for so
long as opposed to all those who had fallen.  At least thats my take on it.

    I did start to have a sneaking suspicion that Croaker was very interested
in Shivetya for the knowledge that he contained back in Water Sleeps...can't
explain it, but for me it was there.

    In terms of the series as a whole, this one was pretty damn good imho.
Yes, some folks 2were "offed" with no more than a passing mention...of all
the disappointments, I really REALLY thought Otto and HAgpop would go
through one battle unscathed...only then to die.

    I really like the way the company has mutated through the series...and I
still do see it having room for another book or possible series of books.
One intriguing (to me) senario would be the company being the guardians of
the nameless fortress and the path between the worlds, espcially now that
the shadow menace seems to be down to more manageable size.

My $.02 worth!

Timothy Taylor


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> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Eric
> Herrmann
> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 1:52 PM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: (glencook-fans) SL Croaker (Spoilers)
>
>
>
> Before Croaker makes the deal with Shivetya he talks about how he sees
> that his end is near. I wish I had the book in front of me. Is he just
> talking about old age? Or that the odds are growing that he will die
> in battle? or something else? It almost seemed like something else.
> Did anyone else pick up on that?
>
> Eric Herrmann
> <[e-mail]>
>
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Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 11:32:32 -700
From: Eric Herrmann <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Dread Empire and Planning



> has anyone else had the same impression? when i first started
reading
> gli ttering stone i thought 'god, doesn't he plot out what he wants
to
> happen? it's obvious he had no idea how this was going to end when
he
> started it...' although i've not yet read the end of glittering
stone,
> perhaps now i'll need to go back and star t at the very beginning to
see if
> there's not something to change my mind.

In Reap the East Wind, Varthlokkur remarks that he now knows why he
never liked teleporting. (And I'd have to agree with him given the
circumstances.) And I thought it sounded a little generous and
contrived at the time. Several years later I was rereading either
Shadow Falling or October's Baby when I read Varthlokkur remarking
about not liking to teleport because he thought there was something
alive in there. I was floored. Glen had planned this plot point years
in advance and I had forgotten it.

Eric Herrmann
<[e-mail]>a

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Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:27:59 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) SL Croaker (Spoilers)

I noticed that too. It almost seemed as if he realized that there was something wrong. However, it don't recall any cues prior to that (headaches, etc.) other than his complaints about his eye and hand. Perhaps the still did more damage that he first thought?

Win

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Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:29:38 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) SL Croaker (Spoilers)

I like the idea of the guardian bit. As time goes on, news of the Plain should reach the other worlds and traffic could start again.

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Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:43:47 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) SL Croaker (Spoilers)

In a message dated 8/8/00 11:53:29 AM, [e-mail] writes:

>Before Croaker makes the deal with Shivetya he talks about how he sees
>that his end is near. I wish I had the book in front of me. Is he just
>talking about old age? Or that the odds are growing that he will die
>in battle? or something else? It almost seemed like something else.
>Did anyone else pick up on that?

I assumed it was something worse, but then my mother's been under
treatment for two different types of cancer. Also, I doubt that he'd
have been so fatalistic about it had it only been age. There would have
been lines like, "At best he could count on 20 years of mortality, but
that should be an eye blink," or whatever, Croaker was a doctor, he
had to know he was on the way out quickly or it would not have been
a concern.

christopher....


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Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 19:20:24 -0400
From: "Pardoz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Dread Empire and Planning

On Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:10:51 -0600, Matthew Roche wrote:

[snip]...this inspired me to go back and read the trilogy before
>starting the sequels, and i'm also glad i did that. now that i know the
>background that the middle three books assume the trilogy is much better,

    Ayep.  I generally recommend reading stuff in publication
order, but the DE series is an exception - the middle three really read
much better if you've read the "prequels" first, IMO.

>it is so obvious that he plotted out
>the entire story ahead of time. it's great.
>
>has anyone else had the same impression?

    Definitely.  The whole thing ticks like a well-oiled watch.
You can see the same thing at work in _A Matter of Time_ or the
"Starfishers" trilogy (Book 1's framing sequence begins as the last
lines of the end of Book 3).

>when i first started reading
>glittering stone i thought 'god, doesn't he plot out what he wants to
>happen? it's obvious he had no idea how this was going to end when he
>started it...'

    My understanding is that the answer to that one is both yes and
no - yes, he knew how it was going to end when he started; no the
ending we ended up with wasn't it.  Somewhere between finishing _Dreams
of Steel_ and beginning _Glittering Stone_ (the novel, which was
supposed to be the conclusion of the trilogy) he decided he no longer
liked the original plan, chucked it, and wrote _Bleak Seasons_ instead.
 Unfortunately it showed.  (OK, I haven't finished "Glittering Stone:
the trilogy" yet: I've decided to wait for _SL_ in paperback, this
being only the second time since I discovered Cook almost twenty years
ago that I haven't picked up a new Cook pretty much the second it hit
the shelves.  The first time was _Water Sleeps_, and having finally
read the paperback I'm glad I waited.)


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Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:45:37 -0500
From: "Don" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Dread Empire and Planning

I also remember there being something in the original DE trilogy referring
to one of the Reasons Houron was so pissed at the Disciple. It said
something about Nasef the Scourge of God killing Hourons's Teacher (insert
name) who he saw as a father. When I read it I got chills. For anybody who
has not read the series I recommend reading in series chronology. It lends
points of reference to the multitude of characters in the original trilogy.

Don
"In time, what's deserved always gets served."- COC


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To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 12:10 PM
Subject: (glencook-fans) Dread Empire and Planning


> here's another weak message, but a request for posts is a request for
> posts...
>
> while my wife is reading soldiers live, i've been making my way through
the
> dread empire books. i completed my collection online a month or so ago and
> saved these for last. i decided to read them in the order in which they
were
> written and am very glad that i did. i read through the main trilogy
first,
> and although it was ok, i thought it was kind of weak for cook, even for
> early cook. then i read the two prequels, and just loved them. stronger
> characterizations, more concrete plot (less annoying jumping around
between
> timelines without dates on the chapter starting pages...) and just very
well
> written. well, this inspired me to go back and read the trilogy before
> starting the sequels, and i'm also glad i did that. now that i know the
> background that the middle three books assume the trilogy is much better,
> and my respect for cook as a writer is much greater. even though he wrote
> the prequels years (i'm also at work so i don't have them here for
> comparison) after the actual trilogy, it is so obvious that he plotted out
> the entire story ahead of time. it's great.
>
> has anyone else had the same impression? when i first started reading
> glittering stone i thought 'god, doesn't he plot out what he wants to
> happen? it's obvious he had no idea how this was going to end when he
> started it...' although i've not yet read the end of glittering stone,
> perhaps now i'll need to go back and start at the very beginning to see if
> there's not something to change my mind.
>
> comments? arguments? agreement?
>
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Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 19:26:48 -0700
From: Lee Childs <[e-mail]>
Subject: (glencook-fans) SL: Ardath

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Lady used the name Ardath when she went into the Hole in The White Rose.  I expect
that Croaker used the name 'Ardath' as an endearment and a shared joke.

THE WHITE ROSE page 234
"She would train herself to mortal ways during out ride so she would make no
mistake once we reached the Hole."
"The woman had guts."
"[Croaker said,] 'What name will you use?'"
"[The Lady said,] 'I think Ardath.'"

Lee Childs


Eric Herrmann wrote:

> >> I think the sequel is the Senjak sisters. Now that the men they competed for
> >> (Dominator and Croaker) are no longer available and Dorotea is the equal in
> >> power to Sylith, they patch up their differences and go shopping.
> >>
> > I guess I'm confused, but doesn't Catcher call Lady 'Ardath' on page 219?  Is
> > that Lady's true name, is it a typo, or did I miss something?
>
> It's either yet another typo or Catcher doesn't know her sister's name.
> Silent clearly uses the name Dorotea when nameing Lady. The Dominator tried
> Ardath and Sylith. Limper tried Credence.
>
> Somewhere else in SL, Lady refers to Catcher as Sylith. Perhaps even Lady
> was wrong on that one as well.
>
> Eric Herrmann
> <[e-mail]>



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Lady used the name Ardath when she went into the Hole in <U>The White Rose</U>.
I expect that Croaker used the name 'Ardath' as an endearment and a shared
joke.

<P>THE WHITE ROSE page 234
<BR>"She would train herself to mortal ways during out ride so she would
make no mistake once we reached the Hole."
<BR>"The woman had guts."
<BR>"[Croaker said,] 'What name will you use?'"
<BR>"[The Lady said,] 'I think Ardath.'"

<P>Lee Childs
<BR>

<P>Eric Herrmann wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>>> I think the sequel is the Senjak sisters. Now
that the men they competed for
<BR>>> (Dominator and Croaker) are no longer available and Dorotea is the
equal in
<BR>>> power to Sylith, they patch up their differences and go shopping.
<BR>>>
<BR>> I guess I'm confused, but doesn't Catcher call Lady 'Ardath' on page
219?  Is
<BR>> that Lady's true name, is it a typo, or did I miss something?

<P>It's either yet another typo or Catcher doesn't know her sister's name.
<BR>Silent clearly uses the name Dorotea when nameing Lady. The Dominator
tried
<BR>Ardath and Sylith. Limper tried Credence.

<P>Somewhere else in SL, Lady refers to Catcher as Sylith. Perhaps even
Lady
<BR>was wrong on that one as well.

<P>Eric Herrmann
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Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 21:02:50 -0700
From: "Brooke A. Wheeler" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Don't want to start

I know what you mean. I'll be going on vacation in a couple of weeks and am
saving my copy 'til I get on the plane (or at least to the airport.) I read the
first 10 pages or so, and the anticipation is killing me. It remains to be seen
whether I'll be able to control myself and not read it but I'll certainly try.
One thing that has helped was that Turtledove's new "Great War" book just came
out, so I've had that to read, plus a couple of library books.

Richard Gruver wrote:
>
> My amazon order arrived on Monday and SL is still sitting on my table
> unread. I know if I start reading it I will consume it wolfishly and then it
> will be over, and I really don't want it to be over.

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Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 21:08:53 -0700
From: "Brooke A. Wheeler" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (glencook-fans) Questions for Cook

I'll be attending Worldcon 2000 in Chicago from Aug 31st - Sep 4th. Does anyone
have any questions they want to ask Glen Cook regarding his new book or any of
his other books? If so let me know via personal email. However, PLEASE if your
question contain spoilers for SL, note it in the title of the email... I haven't
read it yet and if I know in advance, I can just download any spoilers to my
laptop to read once I arrive... I'll be reading SL on the plane so I'll be
finished by the time I read the spoilers that way. Top 5 or so questions I'll
try to ask Cook and post the answers here when I get back.

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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:47:14 +0100
From: "Kevin Valentine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (glencook-fans) Questions for Cook

I know this is probably an old question, but has he got any plans to get
'The Dragon Never Sleeps' re-released?  It appears to be an excellent and
popular book, however as it is out of print it is very hard to get hold of.
There are quite a few publishers reprinting out of print SF books, so one of
them might be interested.  For his many international fans who do not want
to order online, the only way to get hold of his books is to order the
American copies through a local bookstore.  However if they are out of print
this is impossible.

Thanks

Kevin Valentine
[e-mail]

PS If anybody knows the email address of ROC or TOR which might get a reply
about this then let me know.



> I'll be attending Worldcon 2000 in Chicago from Aug 31st - Sep 4th. Does
anyone
> have any questions they want to ask Glen Cook regarding his new book or
any of
> his other books? If so let me know via personal email. However, PLEASE if
your
> question contain spoilers for SL, note it in the title of the email... I
haven't
> read it yet and if I know in advance, I can just download any spoilers to
my
> laptop to read once I arrive... I'll be reading SL on the plane so I'll be
> finished by the time I read the spoilers that way. Top 5 or so questions
I'll
> try to ask Cook and post the answers here when I get back.



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Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 01:59:49 -0500
From: "Don" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (glencook-fans) SL (no spoilers)

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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 07:40:15 -0700
From: Aaron Contreras <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) SL (no spoilers)

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No, I really don't.  But I'd imagine it is doing well, or at least better.
GC's popularity is on the rise as more and more authors and game designers
continue to rob his ideas.
He really is surprisingly obscure for someone who has had his creative
content ripped off so much.

I remember the biggest factor in being really attracted instantly to the BC
series (aside from his style of writing, and all that) was his mixing of
really, really high fantasy with really, really low fantasy.  It has
disappointed me somewhat that magic became steadily more and more
commonplace and less awe-inspiring for the annalists...though after ten
books it would be hard to avoid.

Anyone else think Cook made a huge initial mistake whacking the majority of
the Taken in his first book?  I've always felt he didn't realize what a
potential goldmine he had on his hands there...


Aaron



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Subject: (glencook-fans) SL (no spoilers)


Does anyone know how SL is selling?

Don
"In time, what's deserved always gets served."- COC




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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=480054314-09082000>No, I really
don't.  But I'd imagine it is doing well, or at least better.  GC's
popularity is on the rise as more and more authors and game designers continue
to rob his ideas. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=480054314-09082000>He really is
surprisingly obscure for someone who has had his creative content ripped off so
much.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=480054314-09082000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=480054314-09082000>I remember the
biggest factor in being really attracted instantly to the BC series (aside from
his style of writing, and all that) was his mixing of really, really high
fantasy with really, really low fantasy.  It has disappointed me somewhat
that magic became steadily more and more commonplace and less awe-inspiring for
the annalists...though after ten books it would be hard to
avoid.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=480054314-09082000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=480054314-09082000>Anyone else think
Cook made a huge initial mistake whacking the majority of the Taken in his
first book?  I've always felt he didn't realize what a potential goldmine
he had on his hands there...</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Does anyone know how SL is selling? </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR>Don <BR>"In time, what's deserved always gets
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Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 08:52:07 -0700
From: "Sam Felice" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) SL (no spoilers)

I have kind of mixed feelings about that.  I mean, they were supposed to =
be the 10 most powerful sorcerers (Dominator and Lady not withstanding) =
around at the time.  Most of them got killed off relatively easily durring =
the battle at Charm.  So, they don't seem as powerful as they should have =
been.

And since then the Company has run into other sorcerers who, instead of =
taking over the whole land of the South, were merely content to rule over =
a bunch of small, backwards swamp-dwellers.  So you'd think that these =
sorcerers weren't very powerful.  Yet they seemed to put up more of a =
fight than the taken. =20

I guess my point is that while the Shadowmasters seemed like they should =
have been less powerful than the Taken, they were more trouble.  And =
though the Taken should have been more powerful, they seemed to fall =
rather easily.

My take on this, though, is that most of the Taken died due to infighting =
between the Taken.  And since they're all sorcerers of the highest =
calibre, it kind of evens the playing field and allows them to kill each =
other off more easily.  Then again, who's to say that all the ones we =
think are dead really are?  Limper was certainly nearly indestructable.  =
Soulcatcher has survived some pretty nasty stuff.  And Howler is still =
around.  Maybe that's enough Taken to have survived to keep the company on =
its toes.

I do think, though, that it would be great to find out that another one of =
the Taken (preferably one who was loyal to the Lady) is skulking around =
out there trying to take out the remaining known taken (Soulcatcher and =
Howler).  (Keep in mind as I write this that I've only barely started SL.  =
I don't really expect any other Taken to be out there, but if there are, =
don't spoil it for me. :) =20

Perhaps that's a subject for another series?  After the Company and the =
Lady left, and after the Limper was killed and the rest of the Company =
went off somewhere, one of the old Taken put him/herself back together and =
took up where the Lady left off.


>>> [e-mail] 08/09/00 07:40AM >>>
No, I really don't.  But I'd imagine it is doing well, or at least better.
GC's popularity is on the rise as more and more authors and game designers
continue to rob his ideas.=20
He really is surprisingly obscure for someone who has had his creative
content ripped off so much.
=20
I remember the biggest factor in being really attracted instantly to the =
BC
series (aside from his style of writing, and all that) was his mixing of
really, really high fantasy with really, really low fantasy.  It has
disappointed me somewhat that magic became steadily more and more
commonplace and less awe-inspiring for the annalists...though after ten
books it would be hard to avoid.
=20
Anyone else think Cook made a huge initial mistake whacking the majority =
of
the Taken in his first book?  I've always felt he didn't realize what a
potential goldmine he had on his hands there...
=20
=20
Aaron
=20
=20

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Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 12:00 AM
To: [e-mail]=20
Subject: (glencook-fans) SL (no spoilers)


Does anyone know how SL is selling?=20

Don=20
"In time, what's deserved always gets served."- COC
=20
=20



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Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 11:22:52 -0500 (CDT)
From: [e-mail]
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> Anyone else think Cook made a huge initial mistake whacking the majority of
> the Taken in his first book?  I've always felt he didn't realize what a
> potential goldmine he had on his hands there...
>
>

I agree totally.  Another thing I could never figure out was why he never
bothered to flesh any of them out, other than Soulcatcher, Limper, and
weakly the Howler.  The only other ones any time was spent on at all was
Shapeshifter and Stormbringer, unless you count the couple pages it took
to kill the Hanged Man. The other four barely get mentioned, except when
they die.  At least that's how I recall it.

Chris


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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:32:51 -0600
From: Matthew Roche <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) SL (no spoilers)

although if you think about it, this may simply be another indicator of why
we all love his writing. when reading practically any other author (i notice
that no one here has ever recommended melanie rawn to the list, and i for
one appreciate that, but her name sure leaps to mind now) it is easy to tell
that when a character (or location or other plot device) is mentioned how
the protagonists will interact with it before the story is complete. the
fact that cook can introduce a large number of significant characters (or
locations, or other plot devices) and never have his protagonists interact
with them directly is a big plus in my book, although it may account for his
lack of commercial success...

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To: '[e-mail]'
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) SL (no spoilers)



> Anyone else think Cook made a huge initial mistake whacking the majority
of
> the Taken in his first book?  I've always felt he didn't realize what a
> potential goldmine he had on his hands there...
>
>

I agree totally.  Another thing I could never figure out was why he never
bothered to flesh any of them out, other than Soulcatcher, Limper, and
weakly the Howler.  The only other ones any time was spent on at all was
Shapeshifter and Stormbringer, unless you count the couple pages it took
to kill the Hanged Man. The other four barely get mentioned, except when
they die.  At least that's how I recall it.

Chris


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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:29:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Craig Dutton <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) SL (no spoilers)

- --- Sam Felice <[e-mail]> wrote:
> I guess my point is that while the Shadowmasters seemed like they should have
> been less powerful than the Taken, they were more trouble.  And though the
> Taken should have been more powerful, they seemed to fall rather easily.
>
> My take on this, though, is that most of the Taken died due to infighting
> between the Taken.  And since they're all sorcerers of the highest calibre,
> it kind of evens the playing field and allows them to kill each other off
> more easily.  Then again, who's to say that all the ones we think are dead
> really are?  Limper was certainly nearly indestructable.  Soulcatcher has
> survived some pretty nasty stuff.  And Howler is still around.  Maybe that's
> enough Taken to have survived to keep the company on its toes.
>
'Shifter & Stormbringer were still around too.  So that's 4 of the 9 presumed
dead [counting Soulcatcher and Howler, but ignoring Limper who was known to
have survived Charm], who were actually alive.

Makes you wonder if any of them died there, doesn't it?


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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:42:22 -0500 (CDT)
From: Changeling <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (glencook-fans) SL (no spoilers)

Didn't they open up the tomb of the Faceless Man and find nothing?

- -Changeling


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