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fractint-digest      Saturday, September 8 2001      Volume 01 : Number 595




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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 14:44:03 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) FOTD  06-09-01  (Bits and Pieces [6])

Classic FOTD -- September 06, 2001 (Rating 6)

Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

My FOTD discussions will be shorter than usual while I am
locating and assembling the early FOTD discussions for the
upcoming FOTD-CD.  These discussions, which were posted to the
Fractal-Art list, are scattered on many disks, where they are
mixed in with my other e-mail of the time.  I'll start with a
message I posted April 1, 1997.  Though there was no FOTD before
April 13 of that year, I was quite active with other fractal-
related letters on the Fractal-Art list for a couple weeks
before starting the FOTD.  If all goes well, which it probably
will not, the CD could be ready by the end of this year.

Today's image pictures one of those evaporated midgets that
isn't there.  But even though the midget isn't there, its ghost
remains, haunting the area the midget once inhabited, and can be
revealed by setting the inside to something like <bof61>.  This
is exactly what I did in today's FOTD.

A midget evaporates when the generating formula contains a
negative exponent of Z, and the escape radius is raised to an
extreme value.  In today's image for example, the escape radius
is 10^100.

I named the image "Bits and Pieces" when I saw its fragmented
nature.  Then I rated it a 6 because IMO it is only a little
above average.

The image is a reasonably fast one, rendering from the parameter
file in a bit under 5 minutes on my aging Pentium 200mhz
machine.  It will also be available on the internet within the
hour at:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

and:

          <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html>

The fractal weather today was absolutely perfect, with
brilliantly sunny skies, dry air, and a temperature of 79F 26C.
The fractal cats, who give no thought to fractals, enjoyed the
perfect day.  In the afternoon, a squirrel ventured into the
yard.  Thomas twitched his tail at the intruder, but was having
too good a rest to get up and go after it.  Tippy was totally
out of the world, somewhere in dreamland.

Well, it's once again time to get busy with other matters.
Until next time, take care, and don't be artificially
intelligent.


Jim Muth
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|z| < l
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Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 15:42:27 -0500
From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re:  FOTD  06-09-01  (Bits and Pieces [6])

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Classic FOTD -- September 06, 2001 (Rating 6)
>
> I named the image "Bits and Pieces"....
>

You may wish to rename today's image and PAR, since there was one
earlier this year with exactly the same name, using the same formula:

      Classic FOTD -- March 25, 2001 (Rating 3)

     "I went to the parent fractal of a recent FOTD,
      named it "Bits and Pieces", and anointed it FOTD
      for March 25."

Later,
P.N.L.
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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 19:11:18 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) Re: FOTD  06-09-01  (Bits and Pieces II [6])

>You may wish to rename today's image and PAR, since there was one
>earlier this year with exactly the same name, using the same formula:

Done.  The name is now "Bits and Pieces II"

Jim M.

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Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 18:44:16 -0500
From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re:  FOTD  06-09-01  (Bits and Pieces [6])

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> > You may wish to rename today's image and PAR,
> > since there was one earlier this year with
> > exactly the same name, using the same formula:
>
> Done.  The name is now "Bits and Pieces II"
>

I guess I should have been more detailed...  You have the following PARs
with the same name:

    April 06, 1999
    January 05, 2000
    January 18, 2000
    March 25, 2001
    September 06, 2001

Sincerely,
P.N.L.
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Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 18:58:37 -0500
From: Bob Margolis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Search Engines & Copyrighted Art

Do Search Engines Expedite the Theft of Digital Images?

A report in Thursday's Circuits section from The New York
Times.

The article is in both the print and Web editions of the NYT.

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/06/technology/circuits/06IMAG.html

(The article in the print edition is on page one of the
Circuits section and is headlined, "Is Theft in the Eye of the
Beholder?: Some Artists Argue That Search Engines Are
Capturing Their Images for Others to Steal.")

This article deals with the possibility that search engines
such as Google and AltaVista may be promoting copyright
infringement by allowing people using their search engines
to download copyright protected artwork.

You will have to subscribe to the NYT online edition to read
this article.

Cheers,

Bob
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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 22:22:36 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) Re:  FOTD  06-09-01  (Bits and Pieces [6])

Paul Lee wrote:

>I guess I should have been more detailed...  You have the following PARs
>with the same name:

>    April 06, 1999
>    January 05, 2000
>    January 18, 2000
>    March 25, 2001
>    September 06, 2001

Four duplications...  It goes to show that the FOTD is a casual
endeavor, and there's a lot of work to be done before any CD will
be ready to distribute.  So I'll change Jan. 05, 2000 to "Bits and
Pieces II", and so on, up to Sep. 06, 2001, which will now be
"Bits and Pieces V".  There are likely other duplications of FOTD
names.  I'll handle any other duplications the same way.  And I'll
have to make an index to prevent future duplications.

The FOTD for Sep. 07 (Olive Oil) will appear in 12 hours.

Jim M.

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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 18:59:56 -1000
From: "David Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD  03-09-01  (Not the Negative Stem [5])

Read "Hyperion," and "Fall of Hyperion" by Dan Simmons.
Has a novel idea of why the AI's might keep humans
around.

Then, going farther back, Norman Spinrad's book "The
Solarians" presents a humanity that doesn't use computers
for anything, because it has learned to use its brains to
full capacity.

Unfortunately, no fractals in either book. 8-(

David
[e-mail]

On  6 Sep 01 at 14:40, Ken MacLean wrote:

> Programmer Dude:
> re intelligent robots, AI, and their takeover of humans,
>  have you read Greg Benford's (physicist) series on that
> subject? A great read, the first book is, I believe,
> 'Great Sky River.' Benford really makes you think about
> the consequences of intelligent non-organic life with
> complete free will. -- Ken
>
> Mark Christenson wrote:
>
> > At 02:28 PM 9/5/01 -0500, Programmer Dude wrote:
> > >[e-mail] wrote:
> > >
> > >> On a philosophical note, I heard today that Steven Hawking, who
> > >> is strong on AI, has warned that man must find a way to improve
> > >> his DNA to give him greater intelligence.  According to Hawking,
> > >> we must increase our intelligence to avoid the danger that
> > >> machines with superior intelligence will take over the world.
> > >
> > >For my money, Hawking is one of the great genii of the world....in his
> > >own field.  Outside of it, he oft seems somewhat of a loon....
> >
> > Oh, I don't know.
> >
> > First, as a physics BS (I know, a BS in *that* field is almost
> > useless), admittedly old school (class of ' 79), I find some of
> > his notions within his field to be somewhat loony.
> >
> > On the other hand, *this* concern seems to me rather reasonable.
> > Not to say that life would necessarily imitate art in this case,
> > but there are many writers who have explored this very scenario
> > at various scales.  Classic examples include 2001, Colossus,
> > and Terminator.
> >
> > In the event that we humans succeed in creating truly conscious
> > computers/robots/androids/whatever, that is to say devices that
> > are self-aware, capable of independant and creative thinking, and
> > able to act on their ideas, not even Asimov's robotic laws could
> > save us.  We would be as helpless against a brilliantly organized
> > robotic assault as our evolutionary cousins, including Neandertal,
> > were against the relentless advance of Homo Sapiens and our
> > ancestors.
> >
> > As a really obscure aside, I should mention a short-lived TV Sci-Fi
> > series that was based on such a scenario.  Cleopatra 2525 was
> > based on the premise that in the early 21st Century flying robots
> > known as Baileys came to Earth and laid such an overwhelming
> > assault on its dominant species that all human life was driven
> > underground.  In 2525, the timeframe of the series, the puzzle
> > comes together.  It turns out that the Baileys were of terrestrial,
> > not alien, origin.  Their creator, a scientist named Bailey, was an
> > environmental extremist who decided that the only way to save
> > Earth was to remove humans from its surface.  His novel solution
> > both saved the environment and permitted the human race to
> > continue.
> >
> > Computers control our commerce, communication, transportation,
> > energy generation and distribution, medical equipment...
> >
> > ... and, of course, our fractals ;-)


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Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 00:48:04 -0500
From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re:  FOTD  06-09-01  (Bits and Pieces [6])

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> There are likely other duplications of FOTD
> names.  I'll handle any other duplications
> the same way.  And I'll have to make an index
> to prevent future duplications.
>

Yes, there are a few names that you seem to prefer on a frequent basis,
but that is expected after four and a half years of creating so many
wonderful images for everyone to enjoy.  I only have a problem with the
image's file name, when trying to link from the web pages, so started
numbering them years ago when they did duplicate.    :-)

I have an MS-Excel spreadsheet I started with the following columns:
     TITLE    IMAGE     PARAMETER    TYPE     FORMULA     DATE
Never got around to finishing it, but you are welcome to what I do have.

Also, if I can be of any assistance with your setting up everything for
the FOTD-CD, please do not hesitate to ask.

And, I assume that you will be including those long sought after
photographs of you and the "fractal cats"??  This could only increase
the value of the CD, if not the urge to purchase one.    ;-}

Sincerely,
P.N.L.
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Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 08:43:46 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) FOTD  07-09-01  (Olive Oil [7])

Classic FOTD -- September 07, 2001 (Rating 7)

Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

With an end-of-week rush of work to accomplish, and a FOTD-CD to
start organizing, I will have to make today's discussion a
short one.

While searching for a name for today's FOTD, I noticed the
olive-like color of certain elements, and the overall oily
texture.  The name "Olive Oil" came easily.

The scene of today's image is located in an elephant trunk in
the East Valley area of its parent, a fractal that was created
on a whim, and is worth checking.

After first deciding on a rating of 6, I noticed the rather
unusual sculpted textures throughout the image, and finally
rated it at a 7.

The parameter file renders in 39 minutes, which is annoying; the
GIF image downloads in one minute, which is a pleasure.  The
image will be available on the web in an hour or so at:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

and at:

          <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html>

With tons of sun and a temperature of 81F 27C, the fractal
weather today was perfect.  The cats must have agreed, for I
heard no complaints from them as they passed the day alternating
between the porch and yard.  (Yes, the cats' photographs will be
on the FOTD-CD.)

I've now got to get busy.  Until tomorrow, take care, and be at
one with yourself.


Jim Muth
[e-mail]


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Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 12:09:22 +0200
From: Michael Weitzel <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Search Engines & Copyrighted Art

Am Donnerstag, den 06. September 2001, um 18:58h schrieb Bob Margolis:

> Do Search Engines Expedite the Theft of Digital Images?
>
> A report in Thursday's Circuits section from The New York
> Times.
>
> The article is in both the print and Web editions of the NYT.
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/06/technology/circuits/06IMAG.html
>
> (The article in the print edition is on page one of the
> Circuits section and is headlined, "Is Theft in the Eye of the
> Beholder?: Some Artists Argue That Search Engines Are
> Capturing Their Images for Others to Steal.")
>
> This article deals with the possibility that search engines
> such as Google and AltaVista may be promoting copyright
> infringement by allowing people using their search engines
> to download copyright protected artwork.
>
> You will have to subscribe to the NYT online edition to read
> this article.

my personal opinion:

* Concerning the Internet, there is no difference between "looking at",
  "downloading" and "copying".

* Why don't artists apply software-like licenses to their digital
  images? digital images *are* "soft ware". copying digital data is
  much easier than copying books ("hard ware") for example. A kind of
  splash screen presenting such a license would be the result (giving
  the users the chance of accepting or rejecting before viewing).

* there is probably only one solution for those worried artists: they
  should keep their work off the internet an exhibit it in a room with
  blackened windows. ;-) Search engines are a "key technology". They
  make possible that the Art is viewed by the publicness at all.
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Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 17:28:28 -0400
From: harry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Search Engines & Copyrighted Art

<delurk mode>

It seems to me that the issue of "Copyrighted Works" on the internet is
kind
of silly.  If you want to protect the work for commercial reasons... it
should
NOT be on the internet at all. Perhaps a small image of it... resolution
crippled
... is OK.

I remember looking for an image of "American Gothic" on the internet. I
found
the original (with a REALLY BAD warning about what would happen to me
if I downloaded it...) as well as a web site with several hundred PARODY
images
of the artwork.  Ha Ha HAH !!!   Once something is on the internet its
probably
fair game for most non-commercial use.

The "Fair Use" doctrine will protect almose everyone who can prove a valid
copyright claim (as in they have registered the copyright and are therefore

entitled to damages).  If I download your image, print it and hang it on my
wall...
too bad. If I put it on an album cover or cereal box... then its my @ss.

As far as "licence" goes...  I purchased a disk of  "clip art"... and when
I read the
licence it forbade me to put those pictures on my web site.... Hmmmm.

As Ian Pace (of Deep Purple) once said " I bought it... I'll bloody well
boot it"

So I did.  Let them sue me !!!   If I'm 'small potatoes' I am beneath
notice... if
I'm the Big Cheeze... then I have the power to deal with them as equals....

Yes... Blackened Windows !!!  If you want to keep it a secret... just don't
post
it.

H^)  harry  <lurk mode resume>

Michael Weitzel wrote:

> Am Donnerstag, den 06. September 2001, um 18:58h schrieb Bob Margolis:
>
> > Do Search Engines Expedite the Theft of Digital Images?
> >
> > A report in Thursday's Circuits section from The New York
> > Times.
> >
> > The article is in both the print and Web editions of the NYT.
> >
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/06/technology/circuits/06IMAG.html
> >
> > (The article in the print edition is on page one of the
> > Circuits section and is headlined, "Is Theft in the Eye of the
> > Beholder?: Some Artists Argue That Search Engines Are
> > Capturing Their Images for Others to Steal.")
> >
> > This article deals with the possibility that search engines
> > such as Google and AltaVista may be promoting copyright
> > infringement by allowing people using their search engines
> > to download copyright protected artwork.
> >
> > You will have to subscribe to the NYT online edition to read
> > this article.
>
> my personal opinion:
>
> * Concerning the Internet, there is no difference between "looking at",
>   "downloading" and "copying".
>
> * Why don't artists apply software-like licenses to their digital
>   images? digital images *are* "soft ware". copying digital data is
>   much easier than copying books ("hard ware") for example. A kind of
>   splash screen presenting such a license would be the result (giving
>   the users the chance of accepting or rejecting before viewing).
>
> * there is probably only one solution for those worried artists: they
>   should keep their work off the internet an exhibit it in a room with
>   blackened windows. ;-) Search engines are a "key technology". They
>   make possible that the Art is viewed by the publicness at all.
> --
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>      *Weitzel* --- email: michael(at)ldknet.org
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Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 19:43:13 -0400
From: Ken MacLean <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD  03-09-01  (Not the Negative Stem [5])

David --
I quite agree with you on the Dan Simmons books. Have you read the 2 sequels
"Endymion" and "The Rise of Endymion"? Both excellent.
Speaking of fractals, what's the best fractal book you have read? I read
through some of Peitgens "The Science of Fractal Images", understanding about
10% of it, and I am now getting through "Fractal Creations" by Wegner. Any
fractal books you could recommend? I'm wondering how dense is the Mandelbrot
book "The Fractal Geometry of Nature." I don't feel like mis-understanding my
way through a lot of higher math.
- -- Ken

David Jones wrote:

> Read "Hyperion," and "Fall of Hyperion" by Dan Simmons.
> Has a novel idea of why the AI's might keep humans
> around.
>
> Then, going farther back, Norman Spinrad's book "The
> Solarians" presents a humanity that doesn't use computers
> for anything, because it has learned to use its brains to
> full capacity.
>
> Unfortunately, no fractals in either book. 8-(
>
> David
> [e-mail]
>
> On  6 Sep 01 at 14:40, Ken MacLean wrote:
>
> > Programmer Dude:
> > re intelligent robots, AI, and their takeover of humans,
> >  have you read Greg Benford's (physicist) series on that
> > subject? A great read, the first book is, I believe,
> > 'Great Sky River.' Benford really makes you think about
> > the consequences of intelligent non-organic life with
> > complete free will. -- Ken
> >
> > Mark Christenson wrote:
> >
> > > At 02:28 PM 9/5/01 -0500, Programmer Dude wrote:
> > > >[e-mail] wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> On a philosophical note, I heard today that Steven Hawking, who
> > > >> is strong on AI, has warned that man must find a way to improve
> > > >> his DNA to give him greater intelligence.  According to Hawking,
> > > >> we must increase our intelligence to avoid the danger that
> > > >> machines with superior intelligence will take over the world.
> > > >
> > > >For my money, Hawking is one of the great genii of the world....in his
> > > >own field.  Outside of it, he oft seems somewhat of a loon....
> > >
> > > Oh, I don't know.
> > >
> > > First, as a physics BS (I know, a BS in *that* field is almost
> > > useless), admittedly old school (class of ' 79), I find some of
> > > his notions within his field to be somewhat loony.
> > >
> > > On the other hand, *this* concern seems to me rather reasonable.
> > > Not to say that life would necessarily imitate art in this case,
> > > but there are many writers who have explored this very scenario
> > > at various scales.  Classic examples include 2001, Colossus,
> > > and Terminator.
> > >
> > > In the event that we humans succeed in creating truly conscious
> > > computers/robots/androids/whatever, that is to say devices that
> > > are self-aware, capable of independant and creative thinking, and
> > > able to act on their ideas, not even Asimov's robotic laws could
> > > save us.  We would be as helpless against a brilliantly organized
> > > robotic assault as our evolutionary cousins, including Neandertal,
> > > were against the relentless advance of Homo Sapiens and our
> > > ancestors.
> > >
> > > As a really obscure aside, I should mention a short-lived TV Sci-Fi
> > > series that was based on such a scenario.  Cleopatra 2525 was
> > > based on the premise that in the early 21st Century flying robots
> > > known as Baileys came to Earth and laid such an overwhelming
> > > assault on its dominant species that all human life was driven
> > > underground.  In 2525, the timeframe of the series, the puzzle
> > > comes together.  It turns out that the Baileys were of terrestrial,
> > > not alien, origin.  Their creator, a scientist named Bailey, was an
> > > environmental extremist who decided that the only way to save
> > > Earth was to remove humans from its surface.  His novel solution
> > > both saved the environment and permitted the human race to
> > > continue.
> > >
> > > Computers control our commerce, communication, transportation,
> > > energy generation and distribution, medical equipment...
> > >
> > > ... and, of course, our fractals ;-)
>
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Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 20:19:22 -1000
From: "David Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Best fractal book? was Re: (fractint) C-FOTD  03-09-01  (Not the

On  7 Sep 01 at 19:43, Ken MacLean wrote:

> David --
> I quite agree with you on the Dan Simmons books. Have
> you read the 2 sequels "Endymion" and "The Rise of
> Endymion"? Both excellent.

I've glanced at them. Someday I'll read them, but to me
they have the feel of an unnecessary sequel. Could just be
something personal - I tend to like stories that lead up
to a major change in the world or person, and have
generally been disappointed with stories that try to take
that great change and "work out the consequences" of it.
Usually they take something that I imagine as
transcendental, and turn it into the mundane ...

> Speaking of fractals, what's the best fractal book you
> have read? I read through some of Peitgens "The Science
> of Fractal Images", understanding about 10% of it,

I glanced at that one, decided it was too deep for me.

> and I am now getting through "Fractal Creations" by
> Wegner.

Never even seen a copy of that one!

> Any fractal books you could recommend?

I particularly enjoyed "Turbulent Mirror," but it's not
about fractals per se. It's about chaos and order, and
how they seem to be connected at the deepest levels, so
that each gives rise to the other.

> I'm wondering how dense is the Mandelbrot book "The
> Fractal Geometry of Nature." I don't feel like
> mis-understanding my way through a lot of higher math.

I'm reading through that. So far, not much in the way of
math. A lot of M Mandelbrot's intellectual arrogance,
kind of the attitude that he invented everything
connected with fractal geometry, that everybody else
doing any work in the field has it all wrong, and that
his fractal theory explains everything throughout
science, etc, etc.

There was another book I read on chaos and fractals, I
forget the name of it at the moment. It was good, too.
I'll have to see if I remember the name.

David
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Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 00:35:08 -0700
From: Mark Christenson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Best fractal book? was Re: (fractint) C-FOTD  03-09-01  (Not the

At 08:19 PM 9/7/01 -1000, you wrote:
>On  7 Sep 01 at 19:43, Ken MacLean wrote:
>>
>> Any fractal books you could recommend?
>>...
>> I don't feel like
>> mis-understanding my way through a lot of higher math.

My favorite (I own a 2nd ed. copy) is Michael Barnsley's
"Fractals Everywhere".  It does get "dense", but has
sufficient visual examples throughout so that you don't
have to be a math major to get something out of it.  It is
my Bible for affine transformations.  Barnsley (and his
graduate students) created fractal image compression
software, initially for DARPA, which later went commercial
with his company Iterated Systems.

The book is a math text, and therefore pricey, but it and
other Academic Press textbooks are available at a discount
through educational and other promotional programs.  I got
mine (about 35% off, I think) at a VR exposition a few years
back.


Regards,
        Bud


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Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 10:29:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jim Muth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) FOTD  08-09-01  (Midget Melee [6])

Classic FOTD -- September 08, 2001 (Rating 6)

Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

Today's disordered and confused image defied naming.  While
studying it, I could find no theme to hang a name on.  In the
end I was overwhelmed by the confusion throughout the image,
and named it "Midget Melee".

The parent fractal, which results when 1/Z is subtracted from
0.5 part of Z^2, appears as a twisted Mandeloid surrounded by
much debris and many zig-zagging filaments.  Today's scene is
located in the suburbs of a larger midget, which in turn is
located in an area of chaotic debris on a broad filament on the
northwest outskirts of the main mandeloid.  I rated the picture
at a 6, the most convenient rating to use for an image whose
true worth is ambiguous.

The parameter file renders in somewhat more than 7 minutes on my
tired old Pentium 200mhz machine.  (BTW, whatever happened to
megacycles?)

For those who wait an hour or so, the GIF image will be
available on the web at:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

and at:

          <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html>

The fractal weather today was perfect, at least for the cats.
It's getting quite dry for the growing plants however.  The
brilliant sun, gentle breezes and temperature of 84F 29C was
good for just about anything, while the dry atmosphere made
perspiration quite effective as a means of cooling those who
over-exerted themselves.

I see it's now time for me to stop thinking about fractals and
artificial intelligence, and start exerting myself, at least a
little.  The fractal grass is starting to sway in the wind.
Until next time, which will be tomorrow, take care, and be at
peace in one piece.


Jim Muth
[e-mail]


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z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c,
|z| < l
}

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Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 10:42:49 +0100
From: "b.rankin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Best fractal book? was Re: (fractint) C-FOTD  03-09-01  (Not the

Hi. Have you tried Chaos and Fractals.New Frontiers of science,by Peitgen
Jurgens and Saup.A heavy tome indeed.Difficult and mathematically over my
head.But has lovely pictures and good basic programs of the chapters.
Brian Rankin.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "David Jones" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 7:19 AM
Subject: Best fractal book? was Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 03-09-01 (Not the


> On  7 Sep 01 at 19:43, Ken MacLean wrote:
>
> > David --
> > I quite agree with you on the Dan Simmons books. Have
> > you read the 2 sequels "Endymion" and "The Rise of
> > Endymion"? Both excellent.
>
> I've glanced at them. Someday I'll read them, but to me
> they have the feel of an unnecessary sequel. Could just be
> something personal - I tend to like stories that lead up
> to a major change in the world or person, and have
> generally been disappointed with stories that try to take
> that great change and "work out the consequences" of it.
> Usually they take something that I imagine as
> transcendental, and turn it into the mundane ...
>
> > Speaking of fractals, what's the best fractal book you
> > have read? I read through some of Peitgens "The Science
> > of Fractal Images", understanding about 10% of it,
>
> I glanced at that one, decided it was too deep for me.
>
> > and I am now getting through "Fractal Creations" by
> > Wegner.
>
> Never even seen a copy of that one!
>
> > Any fractal books you could recommend?
>
> I particularly enjoyed "Turbulent Mirror," but it's not
> about fractals per se. It's about chaos and order, and
> how they seem to be connected at the deepest levels, so
> that each gives rise to the other.
>
> > I'm wondering how dense is the Mandelbrot book "The
> > Fractal Geometry of Nature." I don't feel like
> > mis-understanding my way through a lot of higher math.
>
> I'm reading through that. So far, not much in the way of
> math. A lot of M Mandelbrot's intellectual arrogance,
> kind of the attitude that he invented everything
> connected with fractal geometry, that everybody else
> doing any work in the field has it all wrong, and that
> his fractal theory explains everything throughout
> science, etc, etc.
>
> There was another book I read on chaos and fractals, I
> forget the name of it at the moment. It was good, too.
> I'll have to see if I remember the name.
>
> David
> [e-mail]
>
>
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