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fractint-digest         Tuesday, May 15 2001         Volume 01 : Number 562




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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:50:11 -0400
From: "Multiple Bogeys" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: C-FOTD 22-04-01

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>Rambling story, flying heads, men in diapers, topless women -- it has ev=
erything.

Topless women? In the Wizard of Oz?! Someone is spinning in his/her grave=
.

Decent old sci-fi movies I've seen:
The Fly and friends (the three old ones, not the 80s remakes -- those are=
 good too but not *old*!)
2001 (a bit slow in places)
A Crack in the World (cheesy, I know)
Forbin: The Colossus Project (parts of it suck, but the rest...)
Star Wars: ANH(!)
The Terminal Man
The Andromeda Strain
Decent 80s:
Tron
2010
Anything Short Circuit
Star Wars: ESB, ROJ
Star Trek: TMP (a bit slow in places)
Star Trek 2, 4, 6(? -- might have been early 90s)
Starman, Last Starfighter, assorted other Starfoo
Moonraker (hey, it had a freaking big [and unrealistic] space station!)
Assorted Superman movies and spinoffs (why the *hell* did they stop makin=
g these?)
The Fly (1985 remake) and probably its sequel (which I've never managed t=
o see)
Back to the Freaking Future! (and sequels -- let's see if these b*stards =
can do 90!)
Cocoon and sequels, *Batteries Not Included (oh, crap, I'm turning into a=
 sap!)
John Carpenter's Village of the Damned (or was that late 70s?)
Original shrunk the kids (the sequels sucked, and the TV show blows)
Decent modern ones:
Phantom Menace (duh)
Mission to Mars (ymmv)
Stargate (obscure; the TV show rocks too and is still in production), ID4
Armageddon, Deep Impact (so the science in Armageddon sucked. It was stil=
l fun.)
Jurassic Park (but the sequel sucked)
Goldeneye (hey, it had funky nuclear weapons!)
X-Men
Lost In Space
Any recent Star Trek movie (with Picard and crew!) -- especially the ones=
 with the azz-kicking Enterprise E.
Especially the last one. Any film that depicts an older woman as desirabl=
e gets bonus points.
Special edition Star Wars ROJ and ANH!
Aliens (nice explosion near the end -- too bad the sequel sucked. The pre=
quel is too old for this list.)
The Abyss (often overlooked, *cool* music)
Sphere (It *did* come from the Creighton-meister)
Event Horizon (Not for the faint of heart -- if you use nitroglycerine fo=
r something other than blowing things up,
                    I recommend Aliens instead. J/k...)
Starship Troopers (WARNING: Take one (1) Pepto-Bismol before viewing. Avo=
id viewing in an aircraft, motor vehicle,
                         elevator, ship*, or other moving vehicle, or dur=
ing an earthquake. Avoid viewing while on a waterbed. =20
                         Keep a pail handy, preferably one that is easy t=
o wash.
                         *Spacecraft are an exception, except during an e=
ngine burn.)
Recent ones I haven't seen, but that look good:
Supernova
Red Planet (not to confuse with Mission to Mars)
Alien 4
Titan: AE(!)
DVD special edition version of ST:TMP (obscure)
Less sure about:
Deep Blue Sea
Battlefield: Earth
Up-and-coming and guaranteed good:
Star Wars II (duh)
Star Trek X (duh)
Star Wars III (don't hold your breath)
Rumored:
A Matrix sequel or prequel (*drool*)

DVD Recommended due to digital FX and widescreen:
Star Trek 9 (duh)
Phantom Menace (duh! don't have it but it *has* to rock!)
The Matrix (check out the whole last third -- also loads of extras on the=
 disk)
Armageddon (if you hate the Eiffel Tower you'll love the DVD version of t=
his)
Deep Impact (probably; don't have it)
Star Wars: ANH, ROJ -- the explosion of the ROJ Death Star really suffers=
 on pan-and-scan, although the pan-and-scan
                                 version of the sail barge explosion scen=
e is more impressive because of the dramatic panning!
ID4 (duh! the small screen really wrecks the impressive alien ship arriva=
l scene! then there's the massive fights, explosions,
     &c)
Stargate (probably; don't have it)
Supernova and Titan: AE (probably; don't have either on DVD or VHS)


Stuff that sucked:
The Food of the Gods
The Day of the Triffids (a crying shame; the book rocks)
Any of several bad Frankenstein rip-offs from the 60s, 70s, and 80s
Any of several bad Dracula rip-offs from the 60s, 70s, and 80s*
Asteroid! (this one made Armageddon look scientifically accurate!)

* RHPS excluded, special exemption

OK:
Screamers
Downdraft
Star Trek 3, 5
Space Cowboys
The Arrival
The Arrival II (probably -- got a DVD of it, but haven't gotten around to=
 viewing it yet)

Good spoofs:
Spaceballs!
Galaxy Quest
The Zero Wing flash animation(!)*

The movie was good but the book sucked:
* Several of the Star Trek movies



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<HTML><BODY STYLE=3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>>Rambling s=
tory, flying heads, men in diapers, topless women -- it has everything.</=
DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Topless women? In the Wizard of Oz?! Someone =
is spinning in his/her grave.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Decent old sci=
- -fi movies I've seen:</DIV> <DIV>The Fly and friends (the three old ones,=
 not the 80s remakes -- those are good too but not *old*!)</DIV> <DIV>200=
1 (a bit slow in places)</DIV> <DIV>A Crack in the World (cheesy, I know)=
</DIV> <DIV>Forbin: The Colossus Project (parts of it suck, but the rest.=
..)</DIV> <DIV>Star Wars: ANH(!)</DIV> <DIV>The Terminal Man</DIV> <DIV>T=
he Andromeda Strain</DIV> <DIV>Decent 80s:</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Tron</DIV> <D=
IV>2010</DIV>Anything Short Circuit</DIV> <DIV>Star Wars: ESB, ROJ</DIV> =
<DIV>Star Trek: TMP (a bit slow in places)</DIV> <DIV>Star Trek 2, 4, 6(?=
 -- might have been early 90s)</DIV> <DIV>Starman, Last Starfighter, asso=
rted other Starfoo</DIV> <DIV>Moonraker (hey, it had a freaking big [and =
unrealistic] space station!)</DIV> <DIV>Assorted Superman movies and spin=
offs (why the *hell* did they stop making these?)</DIV> <DIV>The Fly (198=
5 remake) and probably its sequel (which I've never managed to see)</DIV>=
 <DIV>Back to the Freaking Future! (and sequels -- let's see if these b*s=
tards can do 90!)</DIV> <DIV>Cocoon and sequels, *Batteries Not Included =
(oh, crap, I'm turning into a sap!)</DIV> <DIV>John Carpenter's Village o=
f the Damned (or was that late 70s?)</DIV> <DIV>Original shrunk the kids =
(the sequels sucked, and the TV show blows)</DIV> <DIV>Decent modern=
 ones:</DIV> <DIV>Phantom Menace (duh)</DIV> <DIV>Mission to Mars (ymmv)<=
/DIV> <DIV>Stargate (obscure; the TV show rocks too and is still in produ=
ction), ID4</DIV> <DIV>Armageddon, Deep Impact (so the science in Armaged=
don sucked. It was still fun.)</DIV> <DIV>Jurassic Park (but the sequel s=
ucked)</DIV> <DIV>Goldeneye (hey, it had funky nuclear weapons!)</DIV> <D=
IV>X-Men</DIV> <DIV>Lost In Space</DIV> <DIV>Any recent Star Trek movie (=
with Picard and crew!) -- especially the ones with the azz-kicking Enterp=
rise E.</DIV> <DIV>Especially the last one. Any film that depicts an olde=
r woman as desirable gets bonus points.</DIV> <DIV>Special edition Star W=
ars ROJ and ANH!</DIV> <DIV>Aliens (nice explosion near the end -- too ba=
d the sequel sucked. The prequel is too old for this list.)</DIV> <DIV>Th=
e Abyss (often overlooked, *cool* music)</DIV> <DIV>Sphere (It *did* come=
 from the Creighton-meister)</DIV> <DIV>Event Horizon (Not for the faint =
of heart -- if you use nitroglycerine for something other than blowing th=
ings up,</DIV> <DIV>         =
;           I recommend=
 Aliens instead. J/k...)</DIV> <DIV>Starship Troopers (WARNING: Take one =
(1) Pepto-Bismol before viewing. Avoid viewing in an aircraft, motor vehi=
cle,</DIV> <DIV>         &nb=
sp;           &nbs=
p;   elevator, ship*, or other moving vehicle, or during an ear=
thquake. Avoid viewing while on a waterbed. </DIV> <DIV>   =
;            =
          Keep a pail handy,=
 preferably one that is easy to wash.</DIV> <DIV>    =
            &=
nbsp;        *Spacecraft are an e=
xception, except during an engine burn.)</DIV> <DIV>Recent ones I haven't=
 seen, but that look good:</DIV> <DIV>Supernova</DIV> <DIV>Red Planet (no=
t to confuse with Mission to Mars)</DIV> <DIV>Alien 4</DIV> <DIV>Titan: A=
E(!)</DIV> <DIV>DVD special edition version of ST:TMP (obscure)</DIV> <DI=
V>Less sure about:</DIV> <DIV>Deep Blue Sea</DIV> <DIV>Battlefield: Earth=
</DIV> <DIV>Up-and-coming and guaranteed good:</DIV> <DIV>Star Wars II (d=
uh)</DIV> <DIV>Star Trek X (duh)</DIV> <DIV>Star Wars III (don't hol=
d your breath)</DIV> <DIV>Rumored:</DIV> <DIV>A Matrix sequel or prequel =
(*drool*)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>DVD Recommended due to digital FX =
and widescreen:</DIV> <DIV>Star Trek 9 (duh)</DIV> <DIV>Phantom Menace (d=
uh! don't have it but it *has* to rock!)</DIV> <DIV>The Matrix (check out=
 the whole last third -- also loads of extras on the disk)</DIV> <DIV>Arm=
ageddon (if you hate the Eiffel Tower you'll love the DVD version of this=
)</DIV> <DIV>Deep Impact (probably; don't have it)</DIV> <DIV>Star Wars: =
ANH, ROJ -- the explosion of the ROJ Death Star really suffers on pan-and=
- -scan, although the pan-and-scan</DIV> <DIV>     =
;            =
            &=
nbsp;   version of the sail barge explosion scene is more impre=
ssive because of the dramatic panning!</DIV> <DIV>ID4 (duh! the smal=
l screen really wrecks the impressive alien ship arrival scene! then ther=
e's the massive fights, explosions,</DIV> <DIV>     &=
amp;c)</DIV> <DIV>Stargate (probably; don't have it)</DIV> <DIV>Supernova=
 and Titan: AE (probably; don't have either on DVD or VHS)</DIV> <DIV>&nb=
sp;</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Stuff that sucked:</DIV> <DIV>The Food o=
f the Gods</DIV> <DIV>The Day of the Triffids (a crying shame; the book r=
ocks)</DIV> <DIV>Any of several bad Frankenstein rip-offs from the 60s, 7=
0s, and 80s</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Any of several bad Dracula rip-offs from the=
 60s, 70s, and 80s*</DIV> <DIV>Asteroid! (this one made Armageddon look s=
cientifically accurate!)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>* RHPS excluded, sp=
ecial exemption</DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV> <DIV>OK:</DIV> <DIV>Screame=
rs</DIV> <DIV>Downdraft</DIV> <DIV>Star Trek 3, 5</DIV> <DIV>Space Cowboy=
s</DIV> <DIV>The Arrival</DIV> <DIV>The Arrival II (probably -- got a DVD=
 of it, but haven't gotten around to viewing it yet)</DIV> <DIV> </D=
IV> <DIV>Good spoofs:</DIV> <DIV>Spaceballs!</DIV> <DIV>Galaxy Quest</DIV=
> <DIV>The Zero Wing flash animation(!)*</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The=
 movie was good but the book sucked:</DIV> <DIV>* Several of the Star Tre=
k movies</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV=
>* Someone set up us the Zerowing reference!</DIV></BODY></HTML><DIV><BR>=
<br clear=3Dall><hr>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at <a =
href=3D"http://www.hotmail.com">http://www.hotmail.com</a>.<br></p></DIV>

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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:02:20 -0400
From: "Multiple Bogeys" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 02-05-01 (Heads Up Mister Midget [7])

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>Although it has only 256 colors, the bands are almost
>invisible, resulting in a GIF image as close to the appearance
>of true-color as one is likely to see.

The neighborhood optometrist is your friend.

Seriously, I can perceive every contour into the purple area. Looks like =
"true-color" is a *slight* exaggeration :)<br clear=3Dall><hr>Get Your Pr=
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t has only 256 colors, the bands are almost<BR>>invisible, resulting i=
n a GIF image as close to the appearance<BR>>of true-color as one is l=
ikely to see.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The neighborhood optometrist i=
s your friend.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Seriously, I can perceive eve=
ry contour into the purple area. Looks like "true-color" is a *slight* ex=
aggeration :)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML><DIV><BR><=
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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 12:00:03 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 28-04-01 (Semi-Chaos [4])

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Hey Multiple-

Interesting comments re dark matter, physics @ >12Gly, etc.

What's your academic background?

DBF

Multiple Bogeys wrote:

> >Just a note: we can't detect it only because it does not emit light
> that
> >we can see. If we can't detect it why do we know it's there?We *can*
> detect it, inasmuch as we can infer its presence. But detecting lots
> of things is done fairly indirectly. Extrasolar planets, for
> one. >Dark matter *could* just be ordinary, cold matter, and we
> >would never be able to see it...from earth.  If we can ever get out
> into
> >the galaxy and universe, THEN we'd probably have no problem detecting
> it. If we even recognized it. We might even trip over it. Check out
> the Robert Sawyer novel Starplex. You can tell it's one of his early
> novels because of the creeping featurism, but it's still damn good.
>
> >So we *know* Newton is a 'special case' version of the full laws of
> >motion. More an approximation for low velocities and low
> masses/tides.
>
> >On the other hand, a great deal of modern physics is based on the
> fact
> >(or more properly, assumption) that the laws of the universe are true
>
> >throughout the universe.  This assumption has been explored in a
> variety
> >of ways, and largely seems to be taken as fact.
>
> >But who knows what really lies across the dark void, eh? There is
> evidence that the fine structure "constant", at the very least, isn't;
> it varies over time or space very slightly. Major differences in the
> laws, however, can be ruled out to ~12Gly. A qualitative change in
> physical laws would create an opaque or *very* odd transition zone and
> probably can't exist. Serious quantitative variations in the nuclear
> force and electromagnetic force coupling values would manifest in the
> character of distant stars; there'd be *very* weird looking stars out
> there. The H-R diagram for a galaxy 8Gly away would look substantially
> different than the usual, local one. Serious changes over time lie at
> least 12Gy in the past, where the phase transitions and symmetry
> breaking of the hypothetical big bang would have occurred. There *is*
> a hint of these transitions, in the form of the well-known microwave
> background radiation.
>
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Hey Multiple-
<p>Interesting comments re dark matter, physics @ >12Gly, etc.
<p>What's your academic background?
<p>DBF
<p>Multiple Bogeys wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>>Just a note: we can't detect it only because it
does not emit light that
<br>>we can see. If we can't detect it why do we know it's there?We
*can* detect it, inasmuch as we can infer its presence. But detecting lots
of things is done fairly indirectly. Extrasolar planets, for one. >Dark
matter *could* just be ordinary, cold matter, and we
<br>>would never be able to see it...from earth.  If we can ever get
out into
<br>>the galaxy and universe, THEN we'd probably have no problem detecting
it. If we even recognized it. We might even trip over it. Check out
the Robert Sawyer novel Starplex. You can tell it's one of his early novels
because of the creeping featurism, but it's still damn good.
<p>>So we *know* Newton is a 'special case' version of the full laws of
<br>>motion. More an approximation for low velocities and low masses/tides.
<p>>On the other hand, a great deal of modern physics is based on the fact
<br>>(or more properly, assumption) that the laws of the universe are true
<br>>throughout the universe.  This assumption has been explored in
a variety
<br>>of ways, and largely seems to be taken as fact.
<p>>But who knows what really lies across the dark void, eh? There
is evidence that the fine structure "constant", at the very least, isn't;
it varies over time or space very slightly. Major differences in the laws,
however, can be ruled out to ~12Gly. A qualitative change in physical laws
would create an opaque or *very* odd transition zone and probably can't
exist. Serious quantitative variations in the nuclear force and electromagnetic
force coupling values would manifest in the character of distant stars;
there'd be *very* weird looking stars out there. The H-R diagram for a
galaxy 8Gly away would look substantially different than the usual, local
one. Serious changes over time lie at least 12Gy in the past, where the
phase transitions and symmetry breaking of the hypothetical big bang would
have occurred. There *is* a hint of these transitions, in the form of the
well-known microwave background radiation.
<p>
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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:26:08 -0400
From: "Multiple Bogeys" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 28-04-01 (Semi-Chaos [4])

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> Some astronomers have suggested that dark matter might be located in
> (and I love this term) MACHOS (MAssive Cometary Halo ObjectS).  That
> is, really, really big snowballs.  With rocks in them.  ;-)

MAssive Compact Halo Objects, actually. And besides cometoids, they can b=
e rogue planets, brown dwarfs, no-longer-luminous collapsed stars (cooled=
 white dwarf, cooled neutron star, black hole far from other mass).

Also, the mainstream, inflationary cosmology requires some non-baryonic d=
ark matter.

Incidentally, wouldn't it be a hoot if globular clusters turned out to be=
 *artifacts*? Think of it -- scads of energy, and if they have no or slow=
 FTL (e.g. weeks to cross a light year) their systems are all close toget=
her. Massive engineering feat though. Now, you know what would be even mo=
re impressive? If some ubercivilizations have locked up their globular cl=
usters in dyson shells. Makes the usual dyson shell look like a shanty on=
 the side of the highway by comparison. And the result is dark matter, wi=
th maybe the odd infrared glow somewhere.

Intriguingly, these clusters are in slow gravitational collapse. An inter=
esting possibility is that this is what someone did in order to open worm=
holes for intergalactic travel... the stars fall into the center, some gr=
avitational magic, presto! Open a bridge to Andromeda. Anyone doing somet=
hing like that takes a *looong* view. Probably have to be uploads then.<b=
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onomers have suggested that dark matter might be located in<BR>> (and =
I love this term) MACHOS (MAssive Cometary Halo ObjectS).  That<BR>&=
gt; is, really, really big snowballs.  With rocks in them.  ;-)=
<BR></DIV> <DIV>MAssive Compact Halo Objects, actually. And besides comet=
oids, they can be rogue planets, brown dwarfs, no-longer-luminous collaps=
ed stars (cooled white dwarf, cooled neutron star, black hole far from ot=
her mass).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also, the mainstream, inflationar=
y cosmology requires some non-baryonic dark matter.</DIV> <DIV> </DI=
V> <DIV>Incidentally, wouldn't it be a hoot if globular clusters turned o=
ut to be *artifacts*? Think of it -- scads of energy, and if they have no=
 or slow FTL (e.g. weeks to cross a light year) their systems are all clo=
se together. Massive engineering feat though. Now, you know what would be=
 even more impressive? If some ubercivilizations have locked up their glo=
bular clusters in dyson shells. Makes the usual dyson shell look like a s=
hanty on the side of the highway by comparison. And the result is dark ma=
tter, with maybe the odd infrared glow somewhere.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>=
 <DIV>Intriguingly, these clusters are in slow gravitational collapse. An=
 interesting possibility is that this is what someone did in order to ope=
n wormholes for intergalactic travel... the stars fall into the center, s=
ome gravitational magic, presto! Open a bridge to Andromeda. Anyone doing=
 something like that takes a *looong* view. Probably have to be uploads t=
hen.</DIV></BODY></HTML><DIV><BR><br clear=3Dall><hr>Get Your Private, Fr=
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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:26:08 -0400
From: "Multiple Bogeys" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 28-04-01 (Semi-Chaos [4])

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> Some astronomers have suggested that dark matter might be located in
> (and I love this term) MACHOS (MAssive Cometary Halo ObjectS).  That
> is, really, really big snowballs.  With rocks in them.  ;-)

MAssive Compact Halo Objects, actually. And besides cometoids, they can b=
e rogue planets, brown dwarfs, no-longer-luminous collapsed stars (cooled=
 white dwarf, cooled neutron star, black hole far from other mass).

Also, the mainstream, inflationary cosmology requires some non-baryonic d=
ark matter.

Incidentally, wouldn't it be a hoot if globular clusters turned out to be=
 *artifacts*? Think of it -- scads of energy, and if they have no or slow=
 FTL (e.g. weeks to cross a light year) their systems are all close toget=
her. Massive engineering feat though. Now, you know what would be even mo=
re impressive? If some ubercivilizations have locked up their globular cl=
usters in dyson shells. Makes the usual dyson shell look like a shanty on=
 the side of the highway by comparison. And the result is dark matter, wi=
th maybe the odd infrared glow somewhere.

Intriguingly, these clusters are in slow gravitational collapse. An inter=
esting possibility is that this is what someone did in order to open worm=
holes for intergalactic travel... the stars fall into the center, some gr=
avitational magic, presto! Open a bridge to Andromeda. Anyone doing somet=
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onomers have suggested that dark matter might be located in<BR>> (and =
I love this term) MACHOS (MAssive Cometary Halo ObjectS).  That<BR>&=
gt; is, really, really big snowballs.  With rocks in them.  ;-)=
<BR></DIV> <DIV>MAssive Compact Halo Objects, actually. And besides comet=
oids, they can be rogue planets, brown dwarfs, no-longer-luminous collaps=
ed stars (cooled white dwarf, cooled neutron star, black hole far from ot=
her mass).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also, the mainstream, inflationar=
y cosmology requires some non-baryonic dark matter.</DIV> <DIV> </DI=
V> <DIV>Incidentally, wouldn't it be a hoot if globular clusters turned o=
ut to be *artifacts*? Think of it -- scads of energy, and if they have no=
 or slow FTL (e.g. weeks to cross a light year) their systems are all clo=
se together. Massive engineering feat though. Now, you know what would be=
 even more impressive? If some ubercivilizations have locked up their glo=
bular clusters in dyson shells. Makes the usual dyson shell look like a s=
hanty on the side of the highway by comparison. And the result is dark ma=
tter, with maybe the odd infrared glow somewhere.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>=
 <DIV>Intriguingly, these clusters are in slow gravitational collapse. An=
 interesting possibility is that this is what someone did in order to ope=
n wormholes for intergalactic travel... the stars fall into the center, s=
ome gravitational magic, presto! Open a bridge to Andromeda. Anyone doing=
 something like that takes a *looong* view. Probably have to be uploads t=
hen.</DIV></BODY></HTML><DIV><BR><br clear=3Dall><hr>Get Your Private, Fr=
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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:29:59 -0400
From: "Multiple Bogeys" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 28-04-01 (Semi-Chaos [4])

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>Hey Multiple- =20

>Interesting comments re dark matter, physics @ >12Gly, etc. =20

>What's your academic background?

Officially? 5 credits short of a bachelor's in computers and math.
Unofficially? I know something about everything and a lot more than the a=
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le- </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>>Interesting comments re dark matter=
, physics @ >12Gly, etc. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>>What's your=
 academic background?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Officially? 5 credits =
short of a bachelor's in computers and math.</DIV> <DIV>Unofficially? I k=
now something about everything and a lot more than the average =
B.S. in some subjects.</DIV></BODY></HTML><DIV><BR><br clear=3Dall><=
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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:26:08 -0400
From: "Multiple Bogeys" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 28-04-01 (Semi-Chaos [4])

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> Some astronomers have suggested that dark matter might be located in
> (and I love this term) MACHOS (MAssive Cometary Halo ObjectS).  That
> is, really, really big snowballs.  With rocks in them.  ;-)

MAssive Compact Halo Objects, actually. And besides cometoids, they can b=
e rogue planets, brown dwarfs, no-longer-luminous collapsed stars (cooled=
 white dwarf, cooled neutron star, black hole far from other mass).

Also, the mainstream, inflationary cosmology requires some non-baryonic d=
ark matter.

Incidentally, wouldn't it be a hoot if globular clusters turned out to be=
 *artifacts*? Think of it -- scads of energy, and if they have no or slow=
 FTL (e.g. weeks to cross a light year) their systems are all close toget=
her. Massive engineering feat though. Now, you know what would be even mo=
re impressive? If some ubercivilizations have locked up their globular cl=
usters in dyson shells. Makes the usual dyson shell look like a shanty on=
 the side of the highway by comparison. And the result is dark matter, wi=
th maybe the odd infrared glow somewhere.

Intriguingly, these clusters are in slow gravitational collapse. An inter=
esting possibility is that this is what someone did in order to open worm=
holes for intergalactic travel... the stars fall into the center, some gr=
avitational magic, presto! Open a bridge to Andromeda. Anyone doing somet=
hing like that takes a *looong* view. Probably have to be uploads then.<b=
r clear=3Dall><hr>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at <a hr=
ef=3D"http://www.hotmail.com">http://www.hotmail.com</a>.<br></p>

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<HTML><BODY STYLE=3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>> Some astr=
onomers have suggested that dark matter might be located in<BR>> (and =
I love this term) MACHOS (MAssive Cometary Halo ObjectS).  That<BR>&=
gt; is, really, really big snowballs.  With rocks in them.  ;-)=
<BR></DIV> <DIV>MAssive Compact Halo Objects, actually. And besides comet=
oids, they can be rogue planets, brown dwarfs, no-longer-luminous collaps=
ed stars (cooled white dwarf, cooled neutron star, black hole far from ot=
her mass).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also, the mainstream, inflationar=
y cosmology requires some non-baryonic dark matter.</DIV> <DIV> </DI=
V> <DIV>Incidentally, wouldn't it be a hoot if globular clusters turned o=
ut to be *artifacts*? Think of it -- scads of energy, and if they have no=
 or slow FTL (e.g. weeks to cross a light year) their systems are all clo=
se together. Massive engineering feat though. Now, you know what would be=
 even more impressive? If some ubercivilizations have locked up their glo=
bular clusters in dyson shells. Makes the usual dyson shell look like a s=
hanty on the side of the highway by comparison. And the result is dark ma=
tter, with maybe the odd infrared glow somewhere.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>=
 <DIV>Intriguingly, these clusters are in slow gravitational collapse. An=
 interesting possibility is that this is what someone did in order to ope=
n wormholes for intergalactic travel... the stars fall into the center, s=
ome gravitational magic, presto! Open a bridge to Andromeda. Anyone doing=
 something like that takes a *looong* view. Probably have to be uploads t=
hen.</DIV></BODY></HTML><DIV><BR><br clear=3Dall><hr>Get Your Private, Fr=
ee E-mail from MSN Hotmail at <a href=3D"http://www.hotmail.com">http://w=
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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:29:59 -0400
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Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 28-04-01 (Semi-Chaos [4])

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>Hey Multiple- =20

>Interesting comments re dark matter, physics @ >12Gly, etc. =20

>What's your academic background?

Officially? 5 credits short of a bachelor's in computers and math.
Unofficially? I know something about everything and a lot more than the a=
verage B.S. in some subjects.<br clear=3Dall><hr>Get Your Private, Free E=
- -mail from MSN Hotmail at <a href=3D"http://www.hotmail.com">http://www.h=
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<HTML><BODY STYLE=3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>>Hey Multip=
le- </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>>Interesting comments re dark matter=
, physics @ >12Gly, etc. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>>What's your=
 academic background?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Officially? 5 credits =
short of a bachelor's in computers and math.</DIV> <DIV>Unofficially? I k=
now something about everything and a lot more than the average =
B.S. in some subjects.</DIV></BODY></HTML><DIV><BR><br clear=3Dall><=
hr>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at <a href=3D"http://ww=
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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:26:08 -0400
From: "Multiple Bogeys" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 28-04-01 (Semi-Chaos [4])

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> Some astronomers have suggested that dark matter might be located in
> (and I love this term) MACHOS (MAssive Cometary Halo ObjectS).  That
> is, really, really big snowballs.  With rocks in them.  ;-)

MAssive Compact Halo Objects, actually. And besides cometoids, they can b=
e rogue planets, brown dwarfs, no-longer-luminous collapsed stars (cooled=
 white dwarf, cooled neutron star, black hole far from other mass).

Also, the mainstream, inflationary cosmology requires some non-baryonic d=
ark matter.

Incidentally, wouldn't it be a hoot if globular clusters turned out to be=
 *artifacts*? Think of it -- scads of energy, and if they have no or slow=
 FTL (e.g. weeks to cross a light year) their systems are all close toget=
her. Massive engineering feat though. Now, you know what would be even mo=
re impressive? If some ubercivilizations have locked up their globular cl=
usters in dyson shells. Makes the usual dyson shell look like a shanty on=
 the side of the highway by comparison. And the result is dark matter, wi=
th maybe the odd infrared glow somewhere.

Intriguingly, these clusters are in slow gravitational collapse. An inter=
esting possibility is that this is what someone did in order to open worm=
holes for intergalactic travel... the stars fall into the center, some gr=
avitational magic, presto! Open a bridge to Andromeda. Anyone doing somet=
hing like that takes a *looong* view. Probably have to be uploads then.<b=
r clear=3Dall><hr>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at <a hr=
ef=3D"http://www.hotmail.com">http://www.hotmail.com</a>.<br></p>

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<HTML><BODY STYLE=3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>> Some astr=
onomers have suggested that dark matter might be located in<BR>> (and =
I love this term) MACHOS (MAssive Cometary Halo ObjectS).  That<BR>&=
gt; is, really, really big snowballs.  With rocks in them.  ;-)=
<BR></DIV> <DIV>MAssive Compact Halo Objects, actually. And besides comet=
oids, they can be rogue planets, brown dwarfs, no-longer-luminous collaps=
ed stars (cooled white dwarf, cooled neutron star, black hole far from ot=
her mass).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also, the mainstream, inflationar=
y cosmology requires some non-baryonic dark matter.</DIV> <DIV> </DI=
V> <DIV>Incidentally, wouldn't it be a hoot if globular clusters turned o=
ut to be *artifacts*? Think of it -- scads of energy, and if they have no=
 or slow FTL (e.g. weeks to cross a light year) their systems are all clo=
se together. Massive engineering feat though. Now, you know what would be=
 even more impressive? If some ubercivilizations have locked up their glo=
bular clusters in dyson shells. Makes the usual dyson shell look like a s=
hanty on the side of the highway by comparison. And the result is dark ma=
tter, with maybe the odd infrared glow somewhere.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>=
 <DIV>Intriguingly, these clusters are in slow gravitational collapse. An=
 interesting possibility is that this is what someone did in order to ope=
n wormholes for intergalactic travel... the stars fall into the center, s=
ome gravitational magic, presto! Open a bridge to Andromeda. Anyone doing=
 something like that takes a *looong* view. Probably have to be uploads t=
hen.</DIV></BODY></HTML><DIV><BR><br clear=3Dall><hr>Get Your Private, Fr=
ee E-mail from MSN Hotmail at <a href=3D"http://www.hotmail.com">http://w=
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