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fractint-digest       Friday, November 17 2000       Volume 01 : Number 509




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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 18:43:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Kenneth Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re:

> >Funny, most things cost money.  It's certainly nice when programmers
> >create freeware products, but you're rather arrogant to expect it.
>
> I am also a firm believer that things should be distributed at cost,

Why?  Is profit a bad thing?  Who decides what the cost is, you or the
creator of the product?

> creating a fair trade. When something is distributed over the Internet, that
> cost is unmeasurably small (probably measured in thousandths of a cent),

Distribution cost is small.  Cost of development and maintenance of a
product may be tremendous.

> given that a few bucks of electricity and about twenty bucks a month for
> network access is all it takes to keep a server up for a month, during which
> tens of thousdands of downloads can be made. Even distributed on CD, the
> cost is maybe two bucks per copy, which makes it all the more ridiculous
> when you see music disks, disks with Windows 95, etc., for twenty and forty
> and even sixty bucks.

Not really.  Commercial products gotta pay those who created the
product.  But then, why am I trying to explain capitalism to a
socialist?  Or, at least one who appears to be.

Though, I do agree you have a point with music CDs.  Albums used to be
under $10 15-20 years ago.  Production and distributions costs have gone
down, but the prices have gone up.  However, people have a choice to buy
them or not.

> >I can show you dozens upon dozens of experienced UF users.  Most of which
> >are former Fractint users.
> >
> >FYI, I've used UF extensively for more than two years.  It very, very
> >rarely crashes.  Certainly not as frequent as you describe.  I'm sure
> >most users can report the same.
>
> Obviously, you're using a different version. ISTR the 1.something versions
> being decently stable. 2.04, however, displays a nasty habit of locking up
> the operating system usually within the first five minutes of trying to use
> it.

Nope.  I've been using 2.04 ever since it came out.  I maybe get a crash
once every two or three months.  It never locks up the OS.



Ken...



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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 23:55:04 -0500 (EST)
From: Jim Muth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 16-11-00 (Rubber Duckie [5])

Classic FOTD -- November 16, 2000 (Rating 5)

Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

Fractals seem to become more interesting when they remind us of
the familiar objects in the everyday world around us.  The
grossly distorted bud in today's image reminds me of a rubber
duck, so to make the picture more interesting, I named it
"Rubber Duckie".

The iterated formula that created the duckie is
0.1Z^(2)+10Z^(0.01)+(1/C), another whimsical expression that
does more than would be suspected at first glance.

There are midgets throughout the scene, but none of them are as
interesting as the overall view.  I might dive down to retrieve
one of these midgets in a future C-FOTD -- but more likely not.

With a draw time of over 20 minutes, the image is a slow one
when rendered from the parameter file.  The GIF image file
downloads much faster from the Usenet group:

          alt.binaries.pictures.fractals

The image will soon be available also at the W.W.W. URL:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

The fractal weather has become more wintry, with scudding
clouds, a temperature of 44F (6C), and a brisk north wind.  All
of this combined to keep the cats snug indoors.

I'm once again sorry to disappoint the philosophy fans, but I
could find no energy to philosophize today, and hardly enough
energy to write the fractal notes.  I have no idea where all the
inspiration went -- maybe I've said all I have to say.
Philosophy or not however, I'll have a respectable fractal
tomorrow, and hopefully more than a few words about it.  Until
then, take care, and I've never seen a real fractal.  I've seen
only pictures of fractals.


Jim Muth
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k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel):
z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c,
|z| < l
}

END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE==================================


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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 07:17:51 -0200
From: "Fernando Bresslau" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re:

NO, it doesn┤┤t display the nasty habit of freezing up. fractint crashes mey
pc sometimes (ok, it isn┤t fractint, it┤s the dos box and win together), but
I┤ve had a great time with UF 2.04. You surely had less luck than I...
Fernando.
BTW, what┤s your name, multiple bogeys??



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From: "Multiple Bogeys" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re:


> >Funny, most things cost money.  It's certainly nice when programmers
> >create freeware products, but you're rather arrogant to expect it.
>
> I am also a firm believer that things should be distributed at cost,
> creating a fair trade. When something is distributed over the Internet,
that
> cost is unmeasurably small (probably measured in thousandths of a cent),
> given that a few bucks of electricity and about twenty bucks a month for
> network access is all it takes to keep a server up for a month, during
which
> tens of thousdands of downloads can be made. Even distributed on CD, the
> cost is maybe two bucks per copy, which makes it all the more ridiculous
> when you see music disks, disks with Windows 95, etc., for twenty and
forty
> and even sixty bucks.
>
> >I can show you dozens upon dozens of experienced UF users.  Most of which
> >are former Fractint users.
> >
> >FYI, I've used UF extensively for more than two years.  It very, very
> >rarely crashes.  Certainly not as frequent as you describe.  I'm sure
> >most users can report the same.
>
> Obviously, you're using a different version. ISTR the 1.something versions
> being decently stable. 2.04, however, displays a nasty habit of locking up
> the operating system usually within the first five minutes of trying to
use
> it.
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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 08:11:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Kenneth Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Contest 2K CDROM Orders - Update

Hi Everyone,

I know everyone is anxiously awaiting Damien to complete the contest
site, which is hopefully very soon.  I know everyone appreciates
the effort Damien is putting in, and I'm sure he appreciates the
patience everyone is exhibiting.

Since many of you are planning to order the contest site on CDROM
for easier viewing, Damien asked me to send out this message so that
you might get a jump on that process.

I will be handling the processing of the orders, so I wanted to get
the ordering information out so that those interested could send in
their orders in advance to speed up receipt of the CDROMs once the
site is finished.  I'll will be accepting orders for those of you
in the US, and also other parts of North and South America.  Other
locations will be handled by another person.

Tina Oloyede has gratiously volunteered to handle orders in Europe.
The cost will be 7.50 Pounds Sterling or 12 Euros.  Please contact
her at [e-mail] for information on where to send
payment and what form of payment she would prefer.

I will also be accepting any international orders as well for those of
you that it is more convenient that ordering from Tina.

For those of you in the US, the cost is $7.00.  If the CD is to be
shipped outside of the US, the cost is $10.00.  Payment may be made
by check, money order, cashiers check in US funds only.  Cash will
be accepted, but you send that at your own risk.

Send orders to:

Ken Childress
2412 Mathews Ave., #5
Redondo Beach, CA  90278

You may also wish to send me an email indicating that the "check is
in the mail".  :-)

Please do not post my address on any other lists.  I'll be making a
separate annoucement on the news groups.

I do not plan on cashing any checks until the CD is ready to be
produced.  Just in case a hurricane wipes out Florida, or a civil war
breaks out over the election.  :-)

If there are any questions, please contact me privately.


Ken...



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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 21:23:00 EST
From: "Multiple Bogeys" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re:

>Funny, most things cost money.  It's certainly nice when programmers
>create freeware products, but you're rather arrogant to expect it.

I am also a firm believer that things should be distributed at cost,
creating a fair trade. When something is distributed over the Internet, that
cost is unmeasurably small (probably measured in thousandths of a cent),
given that a few bucks of electricity and about twenty bucks a month for
network access is all it takes to keep a server up for a month, during which
tens of thousdands of downloads can be made. Even distributed on CD, the
cost is maybe two bucks per copy, which makes it all the more ridiculous
when you see music disks, disks with Windows 95, etc., for twenty and forty
and even sixty bucks.

>I can show you dozens upon dozens of experienced UF users.  Most of which
>are former Fractint users.
>
>FYI, I've used UF extensively for more than two years.  It very, very
>rarely crashes.  Certainly not as frequent as you describe.  I'm sure
>most users can report the same.

Obviously, you're using a different version. ISTR the 1.something versions
being decently stable. 2.04, however, displays a nasty habit of locking up
the operating system usually within the first five minutes of trying to use
it.
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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 15:16:37 -0800 (PST)
From: Kenneth Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Contest 2K CDROM Orders - Credit Card Update

Hi Everyone,

I know everyone is anxiously awaiting Damien to complete the contest
site, which is hopefully very soon.  I know everyone appreciates
the effort Damien is putting in, and I'm sure he appreciates the
patience everyone is exhibiting.

Since many of you are planning to order the contest site on CDROM
for easier viewing, Damien asked me to send out this message so that
you might get a jump on that process.

I will be handling the processing of the orders, so I wanted to get
the ordering information out so that those interested could send in
their orders in advance to speed up receipt of the CDROMs once the
site is finished.  I'll will be accepting orders for those of you
in the US, and also other parts of North and South America.  Other
locations will be handled by another person.

Tina Oloyede has gratiously volunteered to handle orders in Europe.
The cost will be 7.50 Pounds Sterling or 12 Euros.  Please contact
her at [e-mail] for information on where to send
payment and what form of payment she would prefer.

I will also be accepting any international orders as well for those of
you that it is more convenient that ordering from Tina.

For those of you in the US, the cost is $7.00.  If the CD is to be
shipped outside of the US, the cost is $10.00.  Payment may be made
by check, money order, cashiers check in US funds only.  Cash will
be accepted, but you send that at your own risk.

As was kindly pointed out by Doug Owens, I am also able to accept
payment by credit card using PayPal.  If you are interested in this
method, you must first set up an account at www.paypal.com.  Once you
are registered, you may then send payment of $7.00 for US orders, or
$10.00 for orders outside the US to [e-mail].  I will then receive
an email notifying me of the order.  Please include your mailing address
and email address when you order this way.  Since this method of payment
is virtually immediate, there is no need to pre-order unless you desire
to do so.

Send orders to:

Ken Childress
2412 Mathews Ave., #5
Redondo Beach, CA  90278

You may also wish to send me an email indicating that the "check is
in the mail".  :-)

Please do not post my address on any other lists.  I'll be making a
separate annoucement on the news groups.

I do not plan on cashing any checks until the CD is ready to be
produced.  Just in case a hurricane wipes out Florida, or a civil war
breaks out over the election.  :-)

If there are any questions, please contact me privately.


Ken...




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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 19:24:00 -0500
From: davides <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re:

At 09:23 PM 11/15/2000 EST, you wrote:

(snipped)

>Obviously, you're using a different version. ISTR the 1.something versions
>being decently stable. 2.04, however, displays a nasty habit of locking up
>the operating system usually within the first five minutes of trying to use
>it.

I use UF 2.04 fairly frequently. It has never locked up or crashed.
Curious, I downloaded Chaos Pro 2. whatever. It crashed twice in the first
few minutes. I have since removed it. From what I saw, however, there
simply is no comparison; it does not appear to be even as versatile as
Fractint let alone UF. For that matter, Mind-Boggling Fractals, by Paul
Carlson, is a very stable and nice little program, especially for beginners.

David

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How do I put it in reverse?

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 19:58:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Jim Muth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 17-11-00 (All Askew [6])

Classic FOTD -- November 17, 2000 (Rating 6)

Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

When I create fractals that feature midgets, I always rotate the
midget to the normal position, with the large period-2 bud and
negative stem, (a classier term than negative tail), pointing to
the left.  I do this for the same reason that I usually set the
inside fill to 0 and the outside to equal iteration bands -- to
establish a standard by which different fractals and their
midgets can be reliably compared.

In today's fractal the midget at the center is askew.  More
accurately it is rotated about 20 degrees counter-clockwise.  I
could easily have remedied the situation by rotating the entire
frame, but for some reason I was pleased with the downward
drooping nose of the midget, and left it as it was.  As a
result, I have named the picture "All Askew", which might be a
bit too strong to accurately describe today's picture.  When all
the calculation was finished, I studied the image a few minutes
before rating it a 6.

The mathematical expression that was iterated to create the
image is Z^1.05+Z^(-1.1)+(1/C), another of my endless whimsical
inventions that make fractaling such an enjoyment.  The parent
fractal is a wildly distorted Mandelbrot set, with an immense
main bay that has barely visible buds around its perimeter.
Today's midget lies on the shore of the M-set, about 9/10ths of
the way from the tiny period-2 bud around to East Valley.  It is
located in what normally would be an elephant trunk, though with
such distortion, little signs of the East Valley elephants
remain.

The parameter file runs in 20-1/2 minutes on a Pentium 200mhz.
This is slow enough to make impatient fractaliers run to the
Usenet binary group:

          alt.binaries.pictures.fractals

or to the WWW URL:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

The fractal weather, (is there any other kind?), today was hazy
sun but chilly enough (47F [8C]) to keep the intrepid cats
indoors.  Rain is due tonight, but no sign of it has yet
appeared.

And I'm about ready to disappear for the next 24 hours.  The
philosophical muse is still dead, but a resurrection is possible
at any time.  Until tomorrow, when I'll return with another
wonderful (IMO) fractal, take care,


Jim Muth
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|z| < l
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END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE==================================


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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 21:38:44 -0500
From: Harry Bissell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re:

<delurk>

It depends on how much IP there is in the program.  If I'm the programmer and
I have 1000 hrs in a product... and I can only sell a small amount of copies...
then
do the math.

I agree that if the work is someone else's... then the price should be fair.

I'm happy to pay a reasonable price for something I actually use.  Fair pricing
reduces piracy by a large amount. Economic Rape encourages it !!!

H^) harry

Multiple Bogeys wrote:

> >Funny, most things cost money.  It's certainly nice when programmers
> >create freeware products, but you're rather arrogant to expect it.
>
> I am also a firm believer that things should be distributed at cost,
> creating a fair trade. When something is distributed over the Internet, that
> cost is unmeasurably small (probably measured in thousandths of a cent),
> given that a few bucks of electricity and about twenty bucks a month for
> network access is all it takes to keep a server up for a month, during which
> tens of thousdands of downloads can be made. Even distributed on CD, the
> cost is maybe two bucks per copy, which makes it all the more ridiculous
> when you see music disks, disks with Windows 95, etc., for twenty and forty
> and even sixty bucks.
>
> >I can show you dozens upon dozens of experienced UF users.  Most of which
> >are former Fractint users.
> >
> >FYI, I've used UF extensively for more than two years.  It very, very
> >rarely crashes.  Certainly not as frequent as you describe.  I'm sure
> >most users can report the same.
>
> Obviously, you're using a different version. ISTR the 1.something versions
> being decently stable. 2.04, however, displays a nasty habit of locking up
> the operating system usually within the first five minutes of trying to use
> it.
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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:01:29 -0800
From: "Osher Doctorow" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Medical virus studies via fractals/chaos/logic-based probability - Doctorow

From: Osher Doctorow, Ph.D. [e-mail], Fri. Nov. 17, 2000 11:46AM

My paper on logic-based probability (LBP) applied to quantum gravity and
related fields has just been published in the volume Quantum Gravity,
Generalized Theory of Gravitation, and Superstring Theory-Based Unification,
Editors B. N. Kursunoglu, S. L. Mintz, and A. Perlmutter, Kluwer
Academic/Plenum: New York 2000.  Here I would like to mention that LBP is
applicable across many disciplines and is closely connected to a
generalization/modification of maximum entropy theory, and I am currently
studying its application to medical/biological virus studies related to
fractals and chaos.   We are only touching the tip of the iceberg here, and
things may well reverse or change later, but there is some indication that
computer simulation and modeling of life and/or AI enters a "danger zone"
when it gets near a life-form virus simulation (not a computer virus!) which
is signaled by the fact that only chaotic or fractal iteration models work
rather than linear or quadratic or generalized conic (including the kxy
cross-product term with or without quadratic terms) or simple exponential
models (like exp(-kx) or exp(kx)) useful for bacteria growth or radioactive
decay, or homogeneous (partial) linear differential equation models or
non-homogeneous (partial) linear differential equation models in which the
right hand side (non-homogeneous) function has zero 3rd and higher order
partial derivatives.   All of the latter types mentioned other than fractal
and chaotic are excellent models for both life and many inorganic physical
processes.   Many other models fall somewhere in between the two extremes,
including integral equation models, but what signals the danger zone is the
fact that iterative fractal/chaos models involve repeated (infinite)
composition of the same (or theoretically different) function of the form
f(f(f(....))), which mathematically is much more complicated than the models
mentioned - in fact, much of general relativity and quantum theory falls
into the simpler end of the scale even though the objects inside the
equations remarkably complicated - it is the form of the equation such as a
simple linear function even when tensors or operators are involved that
makes for beneficial entropy or generalized entropy properties.  From the
viewpoint of medical virus research for the purpose of curing viral
diseases, it seems important that viruses would be on the opposite side of
the scale from both life and many inorganic processes.  It is true that
fractals give excellent models of continent boundaries, cloud shapes, and
all kinds of irregular boundaries, but in some ways this ability to model
high irregularity may differ from the recent suggestions of many theoretical
physicists that the universe itself may be lifelike in its deep structure -
if so, then the inorganic and life would have a fundamental unity and
simplicity different from the very irregular complexity modeled by iterated
fractals and chaos.

Osher Doctorow, Ph.D.
Doctorow Consultants, West Los Angeles College, etc.



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